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  1. Skamath's Avatar
    3d gestures was never going to be ready by xmas , not at consumer level , where Microsoft wouldn't get ripped and it called a gimmick

    what Microsoft really need to do is throw everything they do have at their disposal right now and get a beast of a phone out to all markets in all colours with no network exclusives

    I mean why buy nokia hardware division if your not going to utilise it and make money out of it and the research they have already done

    get a 5" , 32gb + micro sd slot , 41mp pureview xenon flash based camera with some slight improvements over the 1020 (808 size sensor) , a snapdragon 801/805 soc with latest gpu , try to get some monster battery life , 5" 1080p high quality screen like 1520 , try to make it waterproof , good quality speakers , infa red port , mhl connection for usb in and tv out , keep the Lumia design , loads of cool colours , wireless charging built in , a true successor to the 920 and 1020 all rolled into one beast of a device so consumers aren't confused as wether to get the 1520 , the 930 or the 1020 because they can get one device that has it all ..... all this leaving things out of devices and including it in others that also have something missing is so annoying :-/ throw everything you have into it and then add a kitchen sink is what I say ;-)

    the devolopers , the reviewers , the consumers will all be happy , no one will be able to slate the phone , it will be the highest grade running the latest spec and the thing is Microsoft have the stuff to build this device , to release it asap , to get it to all markets and advertise the hell out of it and we are still waiting??
    Wouldn't we all love to have that kind of a phone. If they give you all in one phone what happens to the goose who laid the golden egg? one egg every 2 years or 1 egg forever.

    I used to have an 808 where it had a really good camera and expandable memory for the High res photos it lacked decent apps thanks to Symbian not being the "next big thing" so when I saw 1020 coming in I had to ditch the sd card to get the same cam which can take high res pics and apps from WP store.
    Last edited by Skamath; 07-18-2014 at 10:11 PM.
    07-18-2014 09:56 PM
  2. rodan01's Avatar
    Probably the touch 3d/McLaren/Goldfinger product was just an experiment that didn't work. An employee leaked the information and news sites made a big deal of It.

    They layoffs are good news for WP, MS is concentrating all the resources on WP. A big part of the layoffs are from factories and developers teams of the Asha, Nokia X and dumb phones.

    The whiners of wpcentral aren't a good sample to predict the behavior of the WP user base. You should know that.

    8.1 phones are just hitting the market this month, how do you expect any impact in market share?. The small fall in market share, according to a research firm that nobody knows how they estimate their numbers and their margin of error, could be precisely people waiting for the 8.1 phones.

    I think you don't understand your market, you should check some stats, WP sales in the high-end segment are insignificant. You should start worrying if nobody buys the 7/6/530.
    Last edited by rodan01; 07-18-2014 at 11:42 PM.
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    07-18-2014 10:02 PM
  3. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    I have tried Channel 9 to learn C#, Bob Tabor's goal is to get you to learn C# as fast as possible and I found it hard to keep up with him after 9 videos, maybe because I'm too stupid. :/

    Oh and your Atmosphere weather app still crashes after the splashscreen on my Lumia 520 running Windows Phone 8.1 Developer Preview.

    By the way I wanted to know how did you design the amazing UI? Photoshop?

    I know a decent amount of grapbic design in Paint.NET and I could make a good app, but still learning C#, at a very slow pace though, sadly.
    Sent from my RM-914_im_mea3_380 using Tapatalk
    My UI is dynamically generated using Blend, which uses custom shapes and simple rectangles. I prefer to sketch my UIs out on paper, then I jump into blend and make it a reality. Icons are either public domain or paid for.

    As for the crashes, a reinstall may help. No one else is reporting this issue.

    IMO, the best way to learn C# is to jump in and build something small, then as you hone your skills, build something releasable.
    07-18-2014 11:00 PM
  4. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    To anyone criticizing my understanding of the market: I know that low end devices drive sales volume. However, high end devices attract high profile people - press, celebrities, and developers which make more money then I would have made if my launch day profit repeated itself on a daily basis (Candy crush, for example, pulls in 1mil per day). What WP needs is press, which attract users, more press, devs, and keep the platform relevant.
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    07-18-2014 11:05 PM
  5. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    Anyone worrying about me killing off Atmosphere or ending WP development all together is wrong - I'm not going to shut off the server or delist the app, nor will I no longer maintain it. I'll just port it to another platform.
    07-18-2014 11:08 PM
  6. pavvento's Avatar
    This is a great thread. I think that MS maybe finally realized that for the past two years OEMs (read: Nokia) have been trying to pump up sales by doing something different with hardware, whether it was with colors, or the 41pm camera, or swappable backs, and they realized that the mainstream market (in the U.S. at least) doesn't give a crap about that.

    Maybe they feel confident that Windows Phone 8.1 finally has the perfect software and options that it doesn't need unique hardware (3d tech) and can compete toe to toe with the competition. I mean, honestly, is there any Windows Phone that is as sleek or machine trimmed as an iPhone or HTC One or with battery life like the new Razr? Maybe they said enough with being the "only" and "first" with unique hardware, everyone is buying thin elegant slabs of glass, and we feel like WP8.1 is good enough to compete without the other options.
    07-18-2014 11:37 PM
  7. jomarr's Avatar
    Well they discontinued the Asha devices to focus more on Windows Phone. I think we will be seeing changes around here and hopefully these changes would be for the better. Let's not put a hand on Microsoft.

    McLaren is unannounced. It's not like they cancelled a phone that was already announced and will be available within a couple of weeks. Iits probably just a concept that they scrapped.

    I still have faith with Microsoft.

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    07-19-2014 12:36 AM
  8. Noahma's Avatar
    I think you are more worried as a developer than anyone here, which I can understand. But people on these comments saying they are leaving means absolutely nothing. They have talked about leaving for the past 2 months lol, and if they leave then it is what it is. Microsoft's position in the mobile space in the United States is insignificant and would have likely been unchanged by this phone. I am all for them killing a product if it isn't going to be a blockbuster and perform correctly. What troubles me more is that we have no information on any other high end phones for this year so I am assuming it is the 930/Icon or bust. Its must be hard when literally no other manufacturer besides Nokia (now MS) is coming out with phones. So how about lets all chill out and remember that you can keep your phone for more than two years lol.
    If they don't have any high end phone this holiday period, then for sure WP is dead. They have the iPhone 6, note 4 and possibly the so called "S5 prime" to compete against. A lot of people are tired of playing the waiting game just to get screwed over all the time.

    They better have some back up plan in (surface kind of phone would be acceptable) the works cause MS just seems like a mess.

    To make matters worse, the guy that said something great is coming to WP just got laid off after 15 years with MS. Smh.
    I'm beginning to feel like I'm rooting for the wrong team.
    I think what everyone is forgetting is that on April 15th there was 8 code names leaked..... 6!!! McLaren was the one that had more information leaked than the other ones.

    So... all is not lost, there are at least 7 devices being developed, and a couple may be high end devices.
    the current ones are
    MoneyPenny = 635
    Martini = 930
    Rock = supposed 530

    We have not seen a release with the april 15th code names.

    the Codenames are:
    •Ara,
    •Leo,
    •Moonraker,
    •Onyx,
    •Peridot,
    •Superman, = reported to be the "selfie phone" by Tom Warren
    •Tesla = possible 730
    •Vantage

    I am disappointed at the cancellation of the McLaren device, although if the tech was not working right, its probably a good thing it was not released.

    Now to sit and wait for leaks on the other devices before my contract is up in Dec. and I find a replacement for my 920
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    07-19-2014 12:50 AM
  9. chinesepiratefood's Avatar
    3D touch is a gimmick, plain and simple
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    07-19-2014 12:52 AM
  10. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Where I'm a lot more unnerved is the lack of compelling hardware lately. A year ago, we had the 1020 and the 1520, both very compelling pieces of unique WP hardware. Now almost a year later we have the 630 and Icon as the flagship devices, and while the specs sheet for them isn't bad, it doesn't feel like a compelling upgrade. It's certainly not getting the kind of buzz on this site that the 1020 and 1520 did. 8.1 is finally finding its way onto retail phones and there's no compelling new hardware out there for it! Really? By far the biggest thing was the Android rumors floating around. They were from reliable sources but MS wouldn't even say "no comment". The community tied itself in knots about it but MS marketing/PR couldn't be bothered to address it. Now with the McLaren news, it looks like MS is bouncing from one desperate idea to another. I doubt they are. I'd be surprised if MS didn't have an Android runtime skunkworks project working. Prototypes get built and cancelled all the time before being released. It's just that they don't usually get revealed by leakers. And yet MS is happy not to say a word and let the forum/twitter/blogoverse rumor mill churn away while MS ends up looking completely incompetent. They have a good OS, but no reason for new users to upgrade to new hardware right now and they're leaving their hard-core users upset and spreading negative buzz.

    Nadella has made it clear that WP is a big part of MS's strategy going forward. WP had a prominent place at WPC this year, as did the concept of the universal app that can work across all MS devices. Their strategy and their software and dev tech have me excited but their coordination with hardware manufacturers and their marketing/PR leave me dumbfounded.
    And that is why i really am serious about leading. they literally dont make me feel confident enough in the platform simply because of how secretive and then backtracking they are and when they could instill confidence by at least letting us know something.
    07-19-2014 01:45 AM
  11. iHeartBretski's Avatar
    I am brand new to windows phone. I was an Android enthusiast for 5 years and have done everything there is to do with it. I even wrote for an Android based site similar to Wpc. In the three weeks that I have been using windows phone I have loved it and find it a breath of fresh air. I started on 8.1. So I don't know what life was like before that. But it is a more than solid platform.

    I actually was not at all looking forward to 3D touch. I couldn't care less about that. Maybe someone at MS knew that this wasn't the best place to put all efforts. Maybe they should be focusing on proper marketing and doing EVERYTHING they can to get in good with all the services it might be missing. Such as Google. (they don't even need Google) they need more solid relationships and better marketing to build the ecosystem. You know what most android users say when they use a Windows Phone for. While. THEY like it. What's not to like? I think getting rid of the 3d is good. But they def need a flagship to come out last quarter. I will use my jump upgrade at TMobile to get it I promise. (Lumia 925 user)

    PS: Do not stop developing for windows phone. It is fantastic to see a developer that is in the community. Android has a lot of this too. Just give it some time and im downloading Atmosphere JUST because.
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    07-19-2014 02:11 AM
  12. theefman's Avatar
    And that is why i really am serious about leading. they literally dont make me feel confident enough in the platform simply because of how secretive and then backtracking they are and when they could instill confidence by at least letting us know something.


    Secretive and backtracking? So do you know exactly what the new iphone will be like, has apple made an announcement? Or is it super secret as always? I wonder why Microsoft is expected to announce their devices well in advance but apple and others aren't?
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    07-19-2014 02:12 AM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Secretive and backtracking? So do you know exactly what the new iphone will be like, has apple made an announcement? Or is it super secret as always? I wonder why Microsoft is expected to announce their devices well in advance but apple and others aren't?
    Nope . But I damn sure know a lot more about apples plans for ios than I do for windows phone and the fact that despite its many shortcomings, when a phone is announced it doesn't take months to get it released.

    I may not know what the iPhone 6 looks like or is spec wise but I do know that os wise the platform is not just floundering around like windows phone. Why? Because unlike Microsoft, apple uses ALL their strengths to create a consistent product that works perfectly across all ios and mac products.
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    07-19-2014 02:54 AM
  14. AngryNil's Avatar
    So, things would be better if Microsoft launched McLaren with no good use for its hardware?

    Windows Phone needs to advance in core areas across all devices. That includes more expansive APIs, robust multitasking, better app performance and refined design (say what you want, it's been four years and things have changed). Having a gimmicky feature on one device is the last thing on my list.
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    07-19-2014 06:29 AM
  15. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Go get that money O/P.
    07-19-2014 06:55 AM
  16. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    This post looks like nothing but FUD. I have followed your posts on WPCentral for a long time and I know you can post better. I am taking this just as an emotional outburst but in all reality, McLaren, layoffs and where WP is going are totally unrelated events.

    Just because there is heavy rain in African rain forest and cloudy in London, doesn't mean it is outbreak of plague in Australia.

    No one is flocking WP "en masse" and no one is jumping ship. Not the sensible ones. It isn't the case of loyal followers or not. If you are talking about a regular customer, he doesn't even know what the heck McLaren is! So he ain't leaving WP just yet. If you are talking about our community here, they are clever enough to know a non-launch of unannounced and rumoured device does not kill a platform.
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    07-19-2014 07:09 AM
  17. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    This post looks like nothing but FUD. I have followed your posts on WPCentral for a long time and I know you can post better. I am taking this just as an emotional outburst but in all reality, McLaren, layoffs and where WP is going are totally unrelated events.

    Just because there is heavy rain in African rain forest and cloudy in London, doesn't mean it is outbreak of plague in Australia.

    No one is flocking WP "en masse" and no one is jumping ship. Not the sensible ones. It isn't the case of loyal followers or not. If you are talking about a regular customer, he doesn't even know what the heck McLaren is! So he ain't leaving WP just yet. If you are talking about our community here, they are clever enough to know a non-launch of unannounced and rumoured device does not kill a platform.
    Obviously it is an "emotional outburst" in some respects, but there is also no shortage of reality in this thread, and I am actually porting to Android. This isn't a joke or trick thread - it's a thread where I decide if WP is worthwhile anymore as a developer. MClaren is related to WP in that while the average consumer may not know what the device is, when they read a news site (Sites such as Forbes run these articles too, as do sites such as the New York Times) and hear about MS's many broken promises (Where was that "great thing" that was coming to WP? Oh right, the guy that said that got laid off too.), cancelled phones, and overall just plain stupid moves that MS has made, all this does is continue to degrade at MS's credibility as a well-run company that produces great products.

    I am also not saying that the killing of this unannounced device will kill the platform, bit what will is the holiday season's iPhone 6 and Galaxy launch. WP needs something as great as, if not better then the iPhone that will be available everywhere and marketed to death. The MClaren was exactly that.
    07-19-2014 07:48 AM
  18. gwinegarden's Avatar
    Secretive and backtracking? So do you know exactly what the new iphone will be like, has apple made an announcement? Or is it super secret as always? I wonder why Microsoft is expected to announce their devices well in advance but apple and others aren't?
    People love to speculate about the new iPhone for months. Then, when it comes out, it has half of what was rumoured and everyone is thrilled. The next day, they begin speculating about the next iPhone.

    Apple users get one new phone a year and are happy. Android and WP users expect dozens and many think it's still not enough.
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    07-19-2014 07:56 AM
  19. Kevin N Smith's Avatar
    People love to speculate about the new iPhone for months. Then, when it comes out, it has half of what was rumoured and everyone is thrilled. The next day, they begin speculating about the next iPhone.

    Apple users get one new phone a year and are happy. Android and WP users expect dozens and many think it's still not enough.
    We don't expect dozens, at least I don't. Nokia, for some idiotic reason, felt it was a great idea to fragment the market by releasing multiple variants of a device. The WP product line always needed just three MS produced devices.

    Cheap device such as 520, on ALL CARRIERS
    Mid range WP Device such as 925, again on ALL CARRIERS.
    High end WP device such as McLaren, on all carriers once again.

    WP has none of this right now and has a product line that does nothing but confuse the average user, who expects a clear upgrade path. There is no clear upgrade path for Nokia devices, which was, again, something I hoped Mclaren would initiate.
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    07-19-2014 08:08 AM
  20. hoovermac's Avatar
    I think what everyone is forgetting is that on April 15th there was 8 code names leaked..... 6!!! McLaren was the one that had more information leaked than the other ones.

    So... all is not lost, there are at least 7 devices being developed, and a couple may be high end devices.
    the current ones are
    MoneyPenny = 635
    Martini = 930
    Rock = supposed 530

    We have not seen a release with the april 15th code names.

    the Codenames are:
    Ara,
    Leo,
    Moonraker,
    Onyx,
    Peridot,
    Superman, = reported to be the "selfie phone" by Tom Warren
    Tesla = possible 730
    Vantage

    I am disappointed at the cancellation of the McLaren device, although if the tech was not working right, its probably a good thing it was not released.

    Now to sit and wait for leaks on the other devices before my contract is up in Dec. and I find a replacement for my 920
    Agreed - we have two WP devices that are due for an upgrade soon (a Lumia 800 and 920). I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed about the McLaren concept being shelved for the time being - I was quite intrigued by that device. I hope we see some indications soon about what is coming down the pipeline for the other leaked codenames; they need something to continue to generate buzz about WP! To paraphrase Samsung, I hope the next big thing isn't already here!
    07-19-2014 08:14 AM
  21. AngryNil's Avatar
    MClaren is related to WP in that while the average consumer may not know what the device is, when they read a news site (Sites such as Forbes run these articles too, as do sites such as the New York Times) and hear about MS's many broken promises (Where was that "great thing" that was coming to WP? Oh right, the guy that said that got laid off too.), cancelled phones, and overall just plain stupid moves that MS has made
    • 3D Touch isn't launching because it didn't have a purpose. You would prefer the average consumer to know about this device through scathing reviews in mainstream sites? The memos state that they are aiming to align major hardware innovation with Threshold. That is the right move, the 930 is no slouch in hardware and they need to flesh out the low to mid-range over the rest of the year.
    • The average consumer did not hear about a random Microsoft employee who said something on a YouTube video. Nor does that count as a broken promise, it was not an official statement and you don't even know what he was talking about.
    • The moves Microsoft just announced were quite the opposite of plain stupid. They unfortunately did need to slim down their workforce, and they reaffirmed their focus on Windows Phone by killing Nokia X.
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    07-19-2014 08:58 AM
  22. btgusto's Avatar
    I think we'll still get the McLaren phone but the touchless feature will not be enabled
    07-19-2014 09:07 AM
  23. Bahamen's Avatar
    @IN5TIGATOR: As a developer, do you think that 3D gestures are promising and should have been kept? Did you have any particular ideas that you were going to develop based on that technology? I think someone was pointing out that the developer community was not particularly excited about it, and I personally think it is gimmicky the same way that Samsung's Air gestures are. I have always respected Nokia's phone for being no-nonsense and focused on what is important to customers (just like Apple), and the opposite of Samsung or HTC's approach (eg Air gestures, dual camera)
    07-19-2014 09:41 AM
  24. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    The MClaren was exactly that.
    We DON'T know what McLaren was. It was a "rumoured device". If iPhone 6 doesn't come with Sapphire glass - it won't be end of Apple or its commitment to iOS.
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    07-19-2014 09:59 AM
  25. Jas00555's Avatar
    And that is why i really am serious about leading. they literally dont make me feel confident enough in the platform simply because of how secretive and then backtracking they are and when they could instill confidence by at least letting us know something.
    Recent rumors have come up that the iPhone 6 battery will be way smaller than other phones and that the battery life will be terrible. Thus far Apple has refused to comment on the issue. It looks like they're being too secretive. Better find another OEM.
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    07-19-2014 09:59 AM
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