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  1. Geddeeee's Avatar
    Nothing that major in cyan anyway, not worth the hassle.
    Mmmm.. Brightness profiles, Dolby 5.1 recording in videos (930 and 1520), Motion data, quicker OS etc...
    Yeah, absolutely nothing at all...

    Now, begone!!!!
    07-22-2014 11:56 AM
  2. Geddeeee's Avatar
    I think this was a grand experiment by Microsoft. And I think it worked out to mutual benefit, but particularly to Microsoft's for all of the testers they gained. They have been doing this at least as far back as Windows 95. Windows 95 beta was near feature complete and very stable and it was free. And while the fact that you had to start fresh with the final build of Win95 may somewhat undermine the point of my original post, it does serve to illustrate this tactic has been used by Microsoft many times before to get hordes of testers.

    Developers already have a channel. This was something completely different with the name Developer on it.
    I was happy to help MS test this OS.

    What better test than to release it into the wild for a few months, so as to truly test it to destruction. And it seems it was!!!
    A lot better than to keep it in the lab and have a few bug testers screw around with it. Not the best way to test a major update!!!

    I draw your attention to the Calender app debacle, and also rest my case!!!!
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    07-22-2014 12:00 PM
  3. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Never understood why people take part in betas and previews only to complain it is buggy, doesn't work properly etc etc. Also when you upgrade to the WP 8.1 DP it does warn you that can't roll back (although that is technically incorrect as you can reflash). This warning should say it all, you are doing this at your own risk.

    Never the less it has been recommended you downgrade to get Cyan as the Cyan for the developer preview has been halted until they have a fix. So your other option is just wait until said fix is pushed out.
    Last edited by TechFreak1; 07-22-2014 at 12:14 PM. Reason: Edit: Fixed a typo
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    07-22-2014 12:01 PM
  4. theefman's Avatar
    Mmmm.. Brightness profiles, Dolby 5.1 recording in videos (930 and 1520), Motion data, quicker OS etc...
    Yeah, absolutely nothing at all...

    Now, begone!!!!
    And if you don't have one of those devices ie the majority of WP users, there's nothing of note. So again, nothing much to this update.
    07-22-2014 12:02 PM
  5. emperor_skull's Avatar
    Well as of now I don't have access to the Nokia recovery tool, for some certain reasons, so I will have to wait for MS to release the update to those running dp
    07-22-2014 12:22 PM
  6. flapadlr's Avatar
    ... Also when you upgrade to the WP 8.1 DP it does warn you that can't roll back (although that is technically incorrect as you can reflash). This warning should say it all, you are doing this at your own risk.

    Never the less it has been recommended you downgrade to get Cyan as the Cyan for the developer preview has been halted until they have a fix. So your other option is just wait until said fix is pushed out.
    You have proven part of my point. "warn you that you can't roll back" which is true and then tell you that you must roll back to get the upgrade. Do you see the contradiction there?

    I see a lot of conjecture that if we wait for the Bitlocker fix then we can have Cyan/8.1 without falling back to 8.0. But Microsoft hasn't stated this. If so, please point it out to me.

    I'm willing to wait for facts. I came into this thread thinking everyone had to downgrade, I heard from (royal) you that only and at this moment folks with the Bitlocker in use have to.

    I do appreciate the discussion.
    07-22-2014 12:26 PM
  7. David P2's Avatar
    You have proven part of my point. "warn you that you can't roll back" which is true and then tell you that you must roll back to get the upgrade. Do you see the contradiction there?

    I see a lot of conjecture that if we wait for the Bitlocker fix then we can have Cyan/8.1 without falling back to 8.0. But Microsoft hasn't stated this. If so, please point it out to me.

    I'm willing to wait for facts. I came into this thread thinking everyone had to downgrade, I heard from (royal) you that only and at this moment folks with the Bitlocker in use have to.

    I do appreciate the discussion.
    Also bear in mind those disclaimers were written before the retail app was updated to officially provide the functionality.


    Microsoft: Windows Phone 8.1 Preview for Developer users should return to normal software before Lumia Cyan | Windows Phone Central

    Microsoft's statement from the article: "We are currently investigating the issue. We have paused delivery of the update to customers using the Preview for Developers, and will resume once a fix is in place. Customers whose phones have been affected should use the Nokia Software Recovery Tool to return your Lumia to a normal commercial software state before downloading the Lumia Cyan update."

    Which means anyone with Preview can't get the Cyan update when it's released for their phone, until they resume updates for Preview users. And this is regardless of whether Bitlocker is in play or not, as it's easier for them to pause updates across the board then finding out which devices are affected and blocking their updates.
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    07-22-2014 12:38 PM
  8. xandros9's Avatar
    Keep in mind people they only mention affected devices, not all devices as the headline implies, which I presume to be encrypted phones.
    07-22-2014 12:41 PM
  9. jhoff80's Avatar
    Just saying, but if backup of app settings/data wasn't STILL so terrible even in 8.1, this wouldn't be an issue at all.
    07-22-2014 12:45 PM
  10. David P2's Avatar
    I'm not so sure.. I mean I've seen users on here with 1520s who were running the preview but couldn't get the update - they went back to 8.0 and it went through straight away.
    07-22-2014 12:46 PM
  11. NOLATechy's Avatar
    I do get some of what you are saying. The bug doesn't affect me. But it is a great bit more technical to downgrade than it was to sign up for DP and download an app.

    I'm not protesting on grounds that I don't have the technical skill to do so, as I have done it before. I am protesting on the grounds that it is a big technical leap from signing up for the DP for people that can't or would be intimidated to downgrade.
    If you don't have the technical skills needed to correct issues like this when they arise (and chances are they WILL arise), then you shouldn't be installing the Developer Preview on your phone in the first place. It's called "Developer Preview" for a reason. You should KNOW what you are doing with a phone if you want to take a change with a Developer Preview and if something like this happens, accept it and move one. If you don't want to take the chance, then don't install the Developer Preview! Can't get any LESS technical than that!
    07-22-2014 12:56 PM
  12. ajcletus500's Avatar
    Ive had a major issue here after down grading
    Initially many apps were on my sd card. After down grading and then upgrading my 1520 to the Cyan update all the apps that were initially on the SD card cannot be accessed any more. that means all my app data is gone. The phone says i need to delete the previous app data as it is from a different phone (which is actually not true) and need to re install the apps. This is the stupidest thing to ever do. I had quite alot of app data that i didn want to lose
    07-22-2014 01:36 PM
  13. Timtcee's Avatar
    I think the solution is to wait for MS to resume the developer update. I know we all love the latest version of stuff but as some have pointed out, it can cause major problems if you downgrade.
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    07-22-2014 01:45 PM
  14. dameon_03's Avatar
    You don't need to go back to 8.0 to update to Cyan. If you have bitlocker, then yes you have to go back, but there are plenty of people in the 925 thread who have updated from DP -> Cyan. So calm down guys...don't downgrade
    thats what i thought the downgrade option was for myself. thats how to article read to me anyways
    07-22-2014 04:00 PM
  15. rocking23nf's Avatar
    I personally think the information here has been inconsistent. However, if the actual path for hundreds of USA Developer Preview users to go Cyan/Official 8.1 is to go back to 8.0 through some downgrade process, I have a HUGE bone to pick with Microsoft.

    It's too technical a path. I cannot believe there is not a DP8.1 > Prod 8.1/Cyan smooth transition.

    Who feels the same?

    Red 1520, ATT
    I fixed your post.
    07-22-2014 04:00 PM
  16. flapadlr's Avatar
    You corrected millions to hundreds because the actual issue only affects hundreds of people with Bitlocker enabled? Is that your point? I don't have the numbers, I think it's more like thousands as far as the Bitlocker issue but I admit I have not the facts.

    07-22-2014 06:30 PM
  17. Geddeeee's Avatar
    I don't see why everyone is holding onto the Developer's Preview like it's the Holy Grail or something. What if the fix takes a while or it introduces other problems?
    Just downgrade and be done with it. At least that way you can rule out any chance of further f**k ups....
    Last edited by Geddeeee; 07-22-2014 at 07:23 PM.
    07-22-2014 07:06 PM
  18. emperor_skull's Avatar
    And loss all those precious DATAs
    07-22-2014 07:25 PM
  19. a5cent's Avatar
    I don't see why everyone is holding onto the Developer's Preview like it's the Holy Grail or something. What if the fix takes a while or it introduces other problems?
    Just downgrade and be done with it. At least that way you can rule out any chance of further f**k ups....
    I assume its the same reason many people refused to do a hard reset after installing the developer preview, despite being a requirement to get a decent experience.
    07-22-2014 07:32 PM
  20. theefman's Avatar
    I assume its the same reason many people refused to do a hard reset after installing the developer preview, despite being a requirement to get a decent experience.
    First time I've heard a hard reset was a requirement to get anything apart from troubleshoot a nasty bug.
    07-23-2014 01:15 AM
  21. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    Keep in mind people they only mention affected devices, not all devices as the headline implies, which I presume to be encrypted phones.
    So when Cyan is out, I can get it just fine, right? (My 920 is on DP)
    07-23-2014 02:34 AM
  22. anony_mouse's Avatar
    This is yet another thread showing that Microsoft were wrong to release the developer preview so widely. Average users simply don't understand that it's not final software; it will have bugs; and it won't work well enough for everyone. It was an interesting experiment, but I doubt whether Microsoft will do it again.
    07-23-2014 02:56 AM
  23. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    I personally think the information here has been inconsistent. However, if the actual path for millions of USA Developer Preview users to go Cyan/Official 8.1 is to go back to 8.0 through some downgrade process, I have a HUGE bone to pick with Microsoft.

    It's too technical a path. I cannot believe there is not a DP8.1 > Prod 8.1/Cyan smooth transition.

    Who feels the same?

    Red 1520, ATT
    Lets face the facts. YOU AIN'T A REAL DEVELOPER. You just got the Dev Preview so you could early upgrade to 8.1. So be quiet yeah?
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    07-23-2014 03:05 AM
  24. JasonKruys's Avatar
    I downgraded mine to get cyan more quickly. It was a pain in the ****. The downgrade and subsequent update was easy enough, and fairly quick. Restore from backup worked pretty well, but in all it took 5 hours to get all my apps back up and running with settings, usernames, passwords, and link my contacts again(contacts links should/could be part of the backup IMHO). Am I annoyed? Nope. After several months of updates and pre - release software, it is good to go back to a clean base. Indeed i am sure battery life has improved a bit. Things are a bit smoother, but that could just be cyan. It is like your windows pc - it needs a refresh/reinstall once in a while. People need to pay attention and understand what they are getting into. There was never any guarantee a roll back was not required, or that it wouldn't mess up your phone.




    Sent from my Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk (with free typos)
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    07-23-2014 03:10 AM
  25. a5cent's Avatar
    First time I've heard a hard reset was a requirement to get anything apart from troubleshoot a nasty bug.
    Maybe 'recommendation' would have been the better word than 'requirement', but if I had anything to say about it, I would have made a hard reset a mandatory part of the process. That might also have discouraged some who really should not have been involved in the first place.

    90% of the complaints here on WPC due to issues with the developer preview could have been avoided, had that recommendation been followed. A lot if people suffered through battery issues, which could also have been avoided.

    That recommendation came not from MS, but from the WPC community, after having gained some experience. There are tons of threads around where you'll find that suggestion.
    Last edited by a5cent; 07-23-2014 at 03:35 AM.
    07-23-2014 03:23 AM
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