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  1. TLRtheory's Avatar
    So what exactly complicates the process of making any old WP game into an Xbox Live title? I ask because I'm looking into developing for the platform and it really is highly enticing to have mobile achievements tie into the real bone-i-fied Xbox Live. Does it cost something additional or just lengthen the approval process a couple weeks?
    11-16-2013 07:57 PM
  2. Paul Acevedo's Avatar
    So what exactly complicates the process of making any old WP game into an Xbox Live title? I ask because I'm looking into developing for the platform and it really is highly enticing to have mobile achievements tie into the real bone-i-fied Xbox Live. Does it cost something additional or just lengthen the approval process a couple weeks?
    You have to have a publisher, for one. It generally can't be Microsoft Studios because they have stopped approving Xbox WP projects.

    Then you'll have to go through a certification process that can last 1-3 months. And the cert process for updates is 2 weeks-several months, depending. Plus the publisher has to approve the idea of submittin an update, which sadly Microsoft has refused to do for several of the titles it published in recent months.

    It's a big nasty mess. They are basically just letting Xbox WP slowly die while a few big publishers like EA and Rovio trickle titles out.
    11-17-2013 04:17 AM
  3. coip's Avatar
    You have to have a publisher, for one. It generally can't be Microsoft Studios because they have stopped approving Xbox WP projects.

    Then you'll have to go through a certification process that can last 1-3 months. And the cert process for updates is 2 weeks-several months, depending. Plus the publisher has to approve the idea of submittin an update, which sadly Microsoft has refused to do for several of the titles it published in recent months.

    It's a big nasty mess. They are basically just letting Xbox WP slowly die while a few big publishers like EA and Rovio trickle titles out.
    Paul, do you have any insight as to why Microsoft Studios has become so put off by Xbox on Windows Phone? Microsoft launched WP7 with such promise on the Xbox front, and Microsoft Studios in particular led the way with dozens of titles. Then they really slowed down their output after Windows Phone 8 launched (but at the same time launched a couple of bigger projects this year such as Halo: Spartan Assault and Skulls of the Shogun, which has just confused me more about their intentions and goals for Xbox on the platform).

    I don't quite get what they are doing. I could understand if other developers stopped making Xbox titles but Microsoft Studios continued to pump out Xbox titles to save the platform, but of all the big publishers who have made Xbox games on WP, Microsoft Studios now seems the least interested in supporting the platform. I would think that with the recent explosion in mobile gaming (something that will undoubtedly continue to grow and continue to chip away at traditional console gaming market share, a la the Xbox 360 and Xbox One) they'd want to work hard to build up the Xbox brand on phones and tablets, but they seem to be doing the opposite. What's going on?
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    11-17-2013 05:11 AM
  4. theefman's Avatar
    You know what's funny, Microsoft is aiming to spend $7 billion on Nokia's devices division yet a key differentiator for future WP devices is being left to rot. It seems we have to pray for Sony to enter the mobile space with purpose as it seems Microsoft only takes a market seriously after its competitors have taken the lead there.
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    11-17-2013 04:05 PM
  5. coip's Avatar
    You know what's funny, Microsoft is aiming to spend $7 billion on Nokia's devices division yet a key differentiator for future WP devices is being left to rot. It seems we have to pray for Sony to enter the mobile space with purpose as it seems Microsoft only takes a market seriously after its competitors have taken the lead there.
    The frustrating part of this is that Sony isn't really their main competitor anymore when it comes to gaming: the iOS App store and Google Play stores are the main competition. Yes, Sony matters in the Xbox One vs PS4 realm, but the market is changing: games are going mobile, but not in the traditional sense: The PS Vita is a dud but smartphone and tablet game sales are ever increasing. Microsoft is in a unique position that none of its other competitors are in: they have the ability to integrate gaming across all platforms.
    Console: Xbox One
    PC: Windows 8
    Tablet: Windows RT
    Phone: Windows Phone

    Being able to use your Xbox gamertag across all those devices for a unified experience is huge. Meanwhile Microsoft's competitors are stuck:
    Apple and Google have no console or PC presence.
    Sony has no mobile or PC presence (again, because the Vita is DoA. Very few people are carrying around portable gaming machines anymore because smart phones have caught up).

    This is why it's so frustrating watching Microsoft drop the ball on promoting Xbox on Windows Phone and Windows 8/RT. They should be launching commercials showing gamers playing games on their Xbox Ones, then switching over to Xbox on Windows Phone during their bus commute, then playing on their PC on their lunch break, then playing on their Surface in bed. Such a wasted opportunity.
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    11-17-2013 05:36 PM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    While gaming in ios and android is taking off, I was actually thinking of Sony's certification of certain droid handsets as PS compatible. If they expanded that and included PSN features it would overtake the native gaming platform and I believe if they do only then will the slowpokes at Microsoft take notice. Without that impetus Xbox gaming on WP is heading for a tomb very soon, to join its brothers the Kin and Zune.
    11-18-2013 11:38 AM
  7. coip's Avatar
    While gaming in ios and android is taking off, I was actually thinking of Sony's certification of certain droid handsets as PS compatible. If they expanded that and included PSN features it would overtake the native gaming platform and I believe if they do only then will the slowpokes at Microsoft take notice. Without that impetus Xbox gaming on WP is heading for a tomb very soon, to join its brothers the Kin and Zune.
    Interesting. I didn't know Sony was doing that. It's a smart move. Maybe it'll be enough to prod Microsoft executives enough to wake the eff up and reinvest in Xbox on Windows Phone and Windows RT.
    11-18-2013 01:45 PM
  8. theefman's Avatar
    Just a note, Joe Belfiore is on twitter going on about the release of the "mighty" instagram, good time to tweet him and remind him about Xbox on WP.
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    11-20-2013 01:18 PM
  9. coip's Avatar
    Just a note, Joe Belfiore is on twitter going on about the release of the "mighty" instagram, good time to tweet him and remind him about Xbox on WP.
    I've also added another Windows Phone exec to the list in the original post: @toddbrix (Todd Brix, General Manager of Windows Apps and Store Team)
    Keep it going: #SaveXboxWP. Tweet and Retweet.
    11-20-2013 05:33 PM
  10. coip's Avatar
    Today Paul wrote that another former Xbox for Windows Phone game has re-launched without Xbox integration. Let's keep the #SaveXboxWP Twitter campaign going so that Microsoft knows we are not happy about this!
    11-24-2013 01:57 PM
  11. coip's Avatar
    Today Gameloft released Dungeon Hunter 4 for Windows Phone and Windows 8/RT without Xbox integration--their second consecutive game to do so after Asphalt 8. We need to mobilize to reverse this trend, for the good of Windows Phone, for the good of Xbox, and for the good of consumers. Let's vamp up our #SaveXboxWP Twitter campaign! You have to specifically call out the parties listed in the original post. Use the Twitter handles listed in the original post and include some of them in your tweets. Also, remember, guys, in addition to creating your own tweets, be sure to search Twitter for #SaveXboxWP and then re-tweet others.
    Last edited by coip; 12-04-2013 at 04:10 PM.
    12-02-2013 12:39 PM
  12. coip's Avatar
    Today Sam wrote a nice article about the ID@Xbox program for Xbox One, which enables and encourages indie game developers to publish their games more easily on Xbox One. This is a great program and it absolutely needs to be extended to Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8/RT. So, let's continue the #SaveXboxWP Twitter campaign by starting to ding the following relevant accounts (which I'll be editing into the original post as well):

    ID@Xbox Program:
    @ID_Xbox (Independent Developers Publishing Program for Xbox One) [you can also email them at ID@Xbox.com]
    @iocat (Chris Charla, Directof of ID@Xbox at Microsoft)
    @albertpenello (Albert Penello, Lead planner for Xbox One, Xbox 360, and Kinect)
    12-04-2013 03:55 PM
  13. TechAbstract's Avatar
    People play games more than anything on their smartphones. Windows Phone already has less games than iOS and Android. Don't think it's a good idea to take away Xbox on WP.
    12-07-2013 11:53 PM
  14. coip's Avatar
    People play games more than anything on their smartphones. Windows Phone already has less games than iOS and Android. Don't think it's a good idea to take away Xbox on WP.
    I agree: Xbox on WP is a great exclusive feature that sets WP apart from iOS and Android. Microsoft letting it slip away is really dropping the ball. Things don't look good as today Paul announced that, Despicable Me: Minion Rush, the third consecutive Gameloft game on Windows Phone without Xbox integration, just launched. The outlook looks bleak based on Paul's comments in another thread, but I for one am not going down without a fight. Help me let Microsoft executives on Twitter know that they royally screwed this one up by not supporting Xbox on WP.
    12-10-2013 04:32 PM
  15. Kyle Stilkey's Avatar
    I agree: Xbox on WP is a great exclusive feature that sets WP apart from iOS and Android. Microsoft letting it slip away is really dropping the ball. Things don't look good as today Paul announced that, Despicable Me: Minion Rush, the third consecutive Gameloft game on Windows Phone without Xbox integration, just launched. The outlook looks bleak based on Paul's comments in another thread, but I for one am not going down without a fight. Help me let Microsoft executives on Twitter know that they royally screwed this one up by not supporting Xbox on WP.
    Don't worry man, I'll keep fighting this everyday! Why not add Ben Rudolph (@BenThePCGuy) since he is also another big player in the WP space?
    coip likes this.
    12-10-2013 04:48 PM
  16. coip's Avatar
    Don't worry man, I'll keep fighting this everyday! Why not add Ben Rudolph (@BenThePCGuy) since he is also another big player in the WP space?
    He's the guy from some Microsoft commercials, right? Is he a Microsoft employee? What does he do exactly? If he has clout with Microsoft then I say yes, let's tweet to him too!
    12-10-2013 06:09 PM
  17. coip's Avatar
    Well, I had held out hope despite the premature launch of Angry Birds Go! a few days ago, but today Rovio officially launched Angry Birds Go! without Xbox integration. It is their first non-Xbox game on WP. They've joined Gameloft in abandoning the platform. I've added the relevant Twitter accounts to the list above. Start Tweeting @AngryBirds and @Rovio along with @Microsoft and @Gameloft in the #SaveXboxWP Twitter crusade. Our hopes now lie with EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft Studios as the only major publishers left who have yet to officially abandon Xbox on WP.
    12-11-2013 04:47 AM
  18. phstratton's Avatar
    I'll be tweeting this out.
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    12-12-2013 11:06 AM
  19. coip's Avatar
    I'll be tweeting this out.
    Don't forget to search Twitter for #SaveXboxWP and then re-tweet some of your comrades' tweets. The best ones to re-tweet are those that call out the Microsoft executives' accounts listed in the original post. Thanks for you help. Spread the word!
    12-12-2013 02:04 PM
  20. phstratton's Avatar
    I did, I'm glad I'm not the only one that this is important to. I bought a WP8 as soon as I found out that I could earn achievements and play against my fellow Xbox Live friends. If these games disappear I really don't see the point of keeping a Windows Phone which is a shame because I feel like there's a niche to be filled. I personally don't feel like packing two devices around (i.e. tablet, handheld), so my phone is also my gaming system on the go. There's not another platform that fully addresses this need, because WP8 works directly with your Xbox Live account.
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    12-13-2013 12:59 AM
  21. Kyle Stilkey's Avatar
    He's the guy from some Microsoft commercials, right? Is he a Microsoft employee? What does he do exactly? If he has clout with Microsoft then I say yes, let's tweet to him too!
    Yes, he does a lot of their commercials. He's does a lot with pushing Windows Phone to customers. He also has some say with Microsoft and I know he would try to at least get the word put to them.
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    12-13-2013 06:06 PM
  22. phstratton's Avatar
    I started this on instagram as well.
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    12-14-2013 12:48 AM
  23. coip's Avatar
    Yes, he does a lot of their commercials. He's does a lot with pushing Windows Phone to customers. He also has some say with Microsoft and I know he would try to at least get the word put to them.
    Cool. I'll add his Twitter handle to the original post.

    I started this on instagram as well.
    Excellent! Also, the #SaveXboxWP movement is getting blogged about too!
    12-15-2013 12:28 AM
  24. xratola's Avatar
    This is happening bcs developers are sick of Xbox bureaucracy. I'd be too for the stupid paper work oneself has to do. Any way... I think it doesn't really matter games are good despite Xbox support lacking it will not make it automatically bad. bcs to be honest there are ugly Xbox labeled games out there.
    12-15-2013 12:49 AM
  25. coip's Avatar
    This is happening bcs developers are sick of Xbox bureaucracy. I'd be too for the stupid paper work oneself has to do. Any way... I think it doesn't really matter games are good despite Xbox support lacking it will not make it automatically bad. bcs to be honest there are ugly Xbox labeled games out there.
    We in the #SaveXboxWP movement agree that the Xbox certification process on Windows Phone is not good. That's one of the goals of the movement: to prod Microsoft to fix it and extend the ID@Xbox program to WP and Windows 8/RT so that indie developers can self-publish like they can do on Xbox One. Help us out!
    12-15-2013 12:53 AM
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