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  1. Ruined's Avatar
    Galaxy S4 LED Flash
    Nokia Lumia 928 Xenon+LED Flash

    Lumia 928 win no contest!
    04-22-2013 08:39 AM
  2. Jaripi's Avatar
    Well, just compare Lumia 920 vs. Galaxy S4 videos here ... and there is even a lag with S4 (just look 2:09) ...



    About Lumia 920 night photos, I really think that they are great ones and I believe that the next fw (PR 2.0) make them even better ...

    Nokia Lumia 720 low-light shootout vs the Lumia 920, Note 2 & Xperia Z

    Nokia to bring new “Smart Camera” Lens to Lumias in PR 2.0 update : My Nokia Blog

    Anyway, I am sure that S4 will be a best seller in any case ...
    Last edited by Jaripi; 04-22-2013 at 08:55 AM.
    04-22-2013 08:43 AM
  3. WorzelGummage's Avatar
    As far as I'm concerned the camera on the 920 has been over-rated and over-hyped and isn't all that great. The problem with the 920 is that it fails to focus the entire shot and if you look closely at the examples the OP linked to you'll see what I mean.

    @Microsoftjunkie

    Why should we have to wait for an "expert" to test the cameras when it's the average Joe who'll be using the phones' camera? They are supposed to be ***** proof point and shoot cameras, not professional DSLR's.

    Samsung produce average cameras for their phones and this S4 is no different. And to be honest, the end results look too artificial with too much post processing which is typical with Samsung camera phones.

    Give it a few months for the next new camera phone to come along from some other manufacturer (likely a Nokia Pureview) and we can have the same conversation all over again.
    04-22-2013 08:48 AM
  4. MacDaMachine's Avatar
    S4 should have a better camera, it makes sense. I still have a great camera in my 920. Fanboys have to have a ******* contest though.

    To me, obviously the S4, One, Note 2, S3, 8X, and 920, Xperia Z are all great phones. Only a fan boy would try to say otherwise.
    morpheus1982 likes this.
    04-22-2013 08:54 AM
  5. Slai's Avatar
    Ruined: any tests that verify that statement?

    Jaripi: yes obviously the 920 has ois and video stabilization should be better, and lowlight on the 920 is amazing. However, that doesn't seal it as a winner overall, right?

    Terence: agreed, the 808 is miles ahead.

    Mac: agreed.
    04-22-2013 08:59 AM
  6. odin09's Avatar
    It really doesn't matter how good the camera on the GS4 is if it is housed in cheap Samsung plastic. I just cant even consider their phones as long as they feel like flimsy toys.
    04-22-2013 09:09 AM
  7. Ruined's Avatar
    Slai: Sure, when both phones come out we will.have all the evidence we need. But there is no way a LED is going to keep up with a real xenon if you are serious about photography.

    Common sense dictates that The s4 has inferior flash (and thus low light perf) to the 928 that you can't make up with software due to the xenon. But the tests will prove this shortly when NDA is lifted on 928 :-]
    04-22-2013 09:18 AM
  8. Slai's Avatar
    Ruined: agreed. Personally i never ever use flash, but im intrigued about the camera on the 928.

    Odin: personally i prefer the design over the s4 over the older era look of the htc one, and the equal plastic feel but with a much larger bezel and size of the 920.

    But taste in design is very individual, some prefer other things.
    04-22-2013 09:22 AM
  9. Dazzi's Avatar
    As long as Google keeps spying on its users I will not consider an Android device. I don't care what features are presented -- Google is still creepy and should be avoided. To say the new Android phone has a great camera is like saying, "Hey that child molester sure is a sharp dresser." He's still a child molester and should be avoided.
    Hello lippidp, I totally agree about google spying. They have just been fined in Germany, so can only imagine what they do with android. http://www.pcworld.com/article/20360...view-cars.html
    04-22-2013 09:28 AM
  10. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    You know its not really bigger than the lumia 920, right? Just smaller bezels?

    As for smoothness, this is from anandtech:

    "UI performance is finally at the point on most of these modern devices where it’s just amazingly smooth throughout everything. The Galaxy S 4 is no exception here."

    So... Yeah, dat lag.


    Edit: i watched the video again from anandtechs hands on, and i see that it doesn't react as fast as it should on certain things, like his hover-gestures and in the gallery. This hasn't been the case on any of the other videos ive seen, perhaps an earlier version or a really bogged down device? But from that video alone i can see that a sceptic would interpret that as a laggy device.
    However, as you can see above, in their written reviews they maintain its smoothness, and combined with the fact that no lag was evident in any of the other videos ive seen, it doesn't support the notion that the s4 is laggy.
    Last time , many websites said Note 2 is smooth and here is experience in real world

    Take Note 2 , S3 etc. Any device with 4.x made by Samsung's touchwiz skin.

    Press home button and it takes atleast 0.5 seconds to react and try same with iPhone or WP , Reaction is like reflex action.

    Definitely there is lot of lag.

    My dad has a Note 2 and everytime It lags , Definitely u can notice it.
    For example : My lumia has 6000+ photos and I can immediately see those photos (Opening up gallery or selecting a photo , everything is instant even iPhone gets smoked in this respect , only lag from WP is music player) while on Note 2 there are 5,500 photos and it has it takes minimum 2 seconds to open those list of photos and another 0.5 second to load up the first photo.

    Tried same with Galaxy S2 running 2.3 , its very fast compared to Note 2 or S3.

    It has something to do with touchwiz or 4.x , 2.3 was great with no issues and no matter what device i saw till now in shop or home , All galaxy devices with 4.x irrespective of specs always lagged.They perform somewhat like my iPod 4th gen running iOS 6.

    Device is fast but navigation and small things are horribly lagged.For example , loading contacts or opening up music player with huge library , S2 is still fast than note 2 or S3.

    I think it has to do with touchwiz , so much crap samsung has added to android.

    P.S : I wanted to get Note 2 till last minute and I was afraid of horrible lags after seeing my dad's and got an 820 finally.
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    04-22-2013 09:46 AM
  11. WorzelGummage's Avatar
    Slai: Sure, when both phones come out we will.have all the evidence we need. But there is no way a LED is going to keep up with a real xenon if you are serious about photography.

    Common sense dictates that The s4 has inferior flash (and thus low light perf) to the 928 that you can't make up with software due to the xenon. But the tests will prove this shortly when NDA is lifted on 928 :-]
    But surely, low light photography is all about taking shots without a flash right? Using a flash, especially a Xenon flash, means it's no longer a low light shot.
    04-22-2013 09:47 AM
  12. Sanjay Chandra's Avatar
    But surely, low light photography is all about taking shots without a flash right? Using a flash, especially a Xenon flash, means it's no longer a low light shot.
    Because low light is no longer needed when xenon is there
    04-22-2013 09:55 AM
  13. solution2u's Avatar
    They claimed GS4 lowlight performance is better? Must be a joke.
    04-22-2013 09:57 AM
  14. Slai's Avatar
    Sanjay: on my 920 it takes about 0.5 to 1 second before the home screen is finished animating and is fully useable.

    My s3 and my 920 rescts quite the same. Might be because I normally change launcher, that could be a thing. WP does look smoother though, since it has those animations that cover quite a bit up.
    04-22-2013 09:57 AM
  15. ag1986's Avatar
    That wasn't an expert testing those phones, and other reviews put the 920 above the S4. Just a paid Samsung or Google site.
    tl;dr: anything that doesn't agree with my personal opinion has to be a paid samsung/Google site. Anything that praises WP is however the Word of God.

    Fanbois...
    04-22-2013 10:05 AM
  16. Jazmac's Avatar
    Some people are simply given to gimmicks, parlor tricks, ruses and outright falsehoods. There are networks of these people out there that would watch a commercial about spray on instant hair, and run grab the credit card. This is not a lot different from that. You just have to smile and nod your head.
    cckgz4 and HaibaneReki like this.
    04-22-2013 10:07 AM
  17. Oliver Newell's Avatar
    Don't knock Samsung, they make some terrific phones, including my Ativ S which is in my opinion better in all aspects than the 8X and L920 I had. Samsung are really pushing the boundaries with spec on their latest phone, its too bad they are ruining it by putting damn android on them. Their hardware has really improved in terms of design and quality. I just hope they bring this magic to more windows phones. They are not trying at all. Mind you I don't think It will be long before Samsung drops android for their own OS they are developing/developed with Intel; Tizen.
    04-22-2013 10:08 AM
  18. WorzelGummage's Avatar
    Because low light is no longer needed when xenon is there
    So it's not low light photography then, is it? Low light photography is all about taking the best shots without a flash which is what the 920 is advertised as being capable of. You start using a flash and it is no longer low light photography.
    04-22-2013 10:20 AM
  19. nano321's Avatar
    PhoneArena is a site for Fandroids and its camera reviews and shootouts are mostly biased. If you really want to see honest comparison go to sites like "GSMArena" and check SGS4's camera review. Low-light and video capturing wise Lumia 920 kills SGS4 hands down. As far as low-light comparison is concerned SGS4 can't even beat Lumia 720 forget about Lumia 920.


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    Last edited by nano321; 04-22-2013 at 10:36 AM. Reason: Correction!
    04-22-2013 10:33 AM
  20. Slai's Avatar
    Tech: yes, and some people blindly defend things because they have a romanticized view of it, others will stick to their belief regardless of proof to the contrary. Some people like beef jerky. Some people don't.
    All interesting observations with no real application here.

    Nano: it beats the iphone5 in lowlight, according to other sources. Its just too early to say, really.

    I read GSMarenas review, and its mainly just praises. Like all the other tests.

    Lumia 920 might have an edge videowise due to ois, and most likely in low light shots. However, video might have drawbacks that would overall mark it lower even with ois.

    Not sure. As said i can easily do comparisons when i get my copy of the s4, it will be easy to see then.
    04-22-2013 10:57 AM
  21. nano321's Avatar
    Lumia 720 beats iPhone5 in low-light and is neck to neck in other conditions. Here goes the second proof,

    Weekend Watch: Lumia 720 vs iPhone 5 and Lumia 720 vs SGS III imaging shootout videos!! | Nokiapoweruser

    By the way, video capturing wise SGS4 is deemed even inferior to SGS3 and even GSMArena admits that. I can produce many shootouts between SGS3 and Lumia 920 where Lumia 920 murders it in video shooting.

    Also consider this, just enhancing 8 MP sensor images by using software to deliver 13 MP shots wouldn't give you capability to outdo hardware based capability like video and low-light imaging.
    Last edited by nano321; 04-22-2013 at 11:29 AM. Reason: added!!
    04-22-2013 11:25 AM
  22. Easy-G's Avatar
    Based on those photos and IMHO, I remain envious of the 920... and I find the HTC One to be more than disappointing. S4 looks good, but not superior to the 920, iPhone 5, or Xperia Z.

    Maybe with more complex conditions we would see a more definitive winner.
    04-22-2013 11:30 AM
  23. ClixT's Avatar
    04-22-2013 11:38 AM
  24. Slai's Avatar
    Nano: No, thats not what gsmarena wrote at all, with regards to video.

    Im personally not considering anything. I just read the reviews. You see, I don't have the phone yet. So I cant say much about it.
    04-22-2013 11:39 AM
  25. nano321's Avatar
    Why not add the followup of the same article, which shows how this is totally biased setup to declare SGS4 a winner, somehow ;).

    Mobile-Review’s smartphone camera comparison suddenly appears to be quite useless to me… | PureView Club
    04-22-2013 11:44 AM
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