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  1. FinancialP's Avatar
    I did check, you have no idea what you are talking about. And you make no sense whatsoever.
    ever heard of Nokia historical data? How about financial reporting? How about Bing or Google or Yahoo. Seek and you will find.

    Just one of the thousands of search results

    http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/nok...-26-nokia-105/
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    05-24-2013 12:50 AM
  2. FavBrowser's Avatar
    Yes, I did. Even if the One has great sales, there is the issue of the First tanking and being discontinued or never introduced.
    SONY also sold around 5 million xperia z last quarter.
    05-24-2013 01:58 AM
  3. FavBrowser's Avatar
    ever heard of Nokia historical data? How about financial reporting? How about Bing or Google or Yahoo. Seek and you will find.

    Just one of the thousands of search results

    Nokia Lumia Smartphones Share Same Profit Margin As $26 Nokia 105 | Ubergizmo
    You realize that 5% margin on a $600 phone is not same as 5% margin on a $25 phone, right? So selling 10 million HIGH END phones gives you MORE PROFIT than selling 10 million $25 phones.

    Holy cow

    I love the design and features of the HTC One but you would have to be crazy to invest in HTC right now. How can a company provide 18-24 month support when their execs are jumping ship daily. I have an HTC phone now, and love it, but I have very little faith that HTC will still be around much longer, 5 million phones sold is not going to bring in enough revenue to offset the astronomically large development/advertising cost. 5 million HTC Ones sold / 900 million android activations = .0055% of all android phone sold...
    Wait. The One is like two months old, the Galaxy S 4 is like one month old. The GS4 sold 10 million in the first month, the One is rumored to have sold around 5 million in two months. Not to mention how every handset reviewer has been singing praises over the One. How can it be too little too late already? Seems like HTC is doing better than all the other Android manufacturers not counting Samsung.
    Last edited by FavBrowser; 05-24-2013 at 02:37 AM.
    05-24-2013 01:59 AM
  4. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Yes, I did. Even if the One has great sales, there is the issue of the First tanking and being discontinued or never introduced.
    All speculations based on absolutely no data. Even LG managed to make a profit with their Android phones. HTC is a small company compared to Nokia. HTC has almost no brand recognition compared to Nokia. Let me know when 5 million Lumia 920 have been sold and then I'll believe Nokia is better off without Android. Until then everything you've said is refuted by the success other Android OEMs are having.
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    05-24-2013 04:45 AM
  5. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    So wait let me get my math right.

    Nokia's brand recognition with Windows Phone and their gaining marketshare could be better if they go into the sea of Android?

    So HTC selling 5 million of the One's when they've FAILED at the HTC First and the under selling One X, V, S, and other lines is considered a win?? Their recent Droid lines weren't significantly stellar either.

    But Nokia selling out of the 520 INSTANTLY when it was available on Walmart's site, appealing to an untapped market (prepaid and low cost smartphone users), AND gaining traction in marketshare is a fail?

    Nokia is basically SAVING Windows Phone and is bringing ALL NEW MAINSTREAM APPS to the operating system SINGLEHANDEDLY. Where do you hear of HTC and Samsung doing this? They're NOT. So what can Nokia do on Android to make them stand out that's different from Windows Phone, and still remain relevant? I think they are FINE where they are, and instead of worrying about Nokia's "well-being", you should focus on your own, because believe me, they'll be fine with or without your help.

    Thanks
    Really dude next time please backup your statements with a little bit of factual data. Selling out at Wallmart? Seriously? What is that, like 10,000 units sold? And what market share is Nokia gaining exactly? The snail's pace at which they're going it might take them a decade to reach where Apple is at if Apple drop dead right now. And for how long will Microsoft continue to give $250 million in charity?
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    05-24-2013 04:51 AM
  6. FavBrowser's Avatar
    Really dude next time please backup your statements with a little bit of factual data. Selling out at Wallmart? Seriously? What is that, like 10,000 units sold? And what market share is Nokia gaining exactly? The snail's pace at which they're going it might take them a decade to reach where Apple is at if Apple drop dead right now. And for how long will Microsoft continue to give $250 million in charity?
    Exactly, I remember reading that ATT is selling out of 900's and then 920 is selling out in China, US and boom, there were like 200-400k units sold TOTAL in US. including low end lumias. All this sell out just means that nokia is horrible at inventory management and predictions.

    Same now with 928. VZN has like 2-3 units per store so what does the sell out even mean? Nothing, no one can buy these phones, will sell another 10k in a month due to stupid management while HTC One sells 5 millions WITHOUT SELLING OUT.

    Nokia is horrible when it comes to supplies, horrible, horrible, horrible.
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    05-24-2013 05:13 AM
  7. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Really dude next time please backup your statements with a little bit of factual data. Selling out at Wallmart? Seriously? What is that, like 10,000 units sold? And what market share is Nokia gaining exactly? The snail's pace at which they're going it might take them a decade to reach where Apple is at if Apple drop dead right now. And for how long will Microsoft continue to give $250 million in charity?
    Here's some food for thought.
    Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
    The thing is, Lumia sales actually grew during this traditionally weak quarter. You suddenly have Lumia sales go up despite the fact that you have a massive drop in sales in America and the 620 being in limited quantity for part of the quarter.

    Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.
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    05-24-2013 05:21 AM
  8. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Here's some food for thought.
    Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
    The thing is, Lumia sales actually grew during this traditionally weak quarter. You suddenly have Lumia sales go up despite the fact that you have a massive drop in sales in America and the 620 being in limited quantity for part of the quarter.

    Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.
    Dude I recommend to just ignore this dude
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    05-24-2013 05:29 AM
  9. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Here's some food for thought.
    Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
    The thing is, Lumia sales actually grew during this traditionally weak quarter. You suddenly have Lumia sales go up despite the fact that you have a massive drop in sales in America and the 620 being in limited quantity for part of the quarter.

    Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.
    You can cherry pick countries all you want but from the hard data at hand here we know that one HTC flagship outsold 10 Lumia phones combined. Yes HTC is still in deep **** but that's for a whole lot of other reasons which are irrelevant to the discussion.
    And no body here is saying Nokia should drop Windows Phone for Android. They should do both, because they can. Rather than releasing a new Lumia phone every month that's barely any different from the one before, make an Android phone and see how that goes. Just try it. It won't bite. If it doesn't work by all means abandon Android. But if they can risk it with Windows Phone they sure can do it with a tried and tested platform.
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    05-24-2013 05:30 AM
  10. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Dude I recommend to just ignore this dude
    'Dude I recommend to just ignore this dude because I have nothing to counter his arguments which kind of make sense'. Stop posting in this thread please and let the ones who want to have a healthy argument, argue.
    05-24-2013 05:32 AM
  11. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Hahahha you're so funny.... Aka not -_-

    Well you're giving yourself a bad reputation of being so negative in every thread you look at. But I think a lot of people kind of know that you have a bad reputation already


    Dude also the kids corner thing. If you're a parent (which I doubt you are) would understand that having kids corner does help keep your child from accessing important stuff on your phone. For example you go to work and you leave your phone at home. Your kid looks up something inappropriate like your porn. If you let your child see that. then it means that you're a horrible parent that doesn't watch your child from seeing this stuff. Dude I babysit so I know about this as well as other parents I use kids corner for kids when I do something else while the kids play with my phone
    Last edited by 12Danny123; 05-24-2013 at 05:55 AM.
    05-24-2013 05:38 AM
  12. FavBrowser's Avatar
    Here's some food for thought.
    Q1 of any given year is generally the first for Nokia. Phone sales typically drop 30% overall, Quarter-on-Quarter.
    Also, just look at the AdDuplex numbers for India at the beginning of May.
    And they did drop minus the Lumia, compared to last Q or even last q of last year



    Their phone sales are shrinking at a staggering rate and no, 2 million lumia sales won't save them,

    LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS

    05-24-2013 05:58 AM
  13. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    You can cherry pick countries all you want but from the hard data at hand here we know that one HTC flagship outsold 10 Lumia phones combined. Yes HTC is still in deep **** but that's for a whole lot of other reasons which are irrelevant to the discussion.
    And no body here is saying Nokia should drop Windows Phone for Android. They should do both, because they can. Rather than releasing a new Lumia phone every month that's barely any different from the one before, make an Android phone and see how that goes. Just try it. It won't bite. If it doesn't work by all means abandon Android. But if they can risk it with Windows Phone they sure can do it with a tried and tested platform.
    Okay, I now understand your perspective. Also, I cobbled my response from the info that I have on hand.
    If I knew the whole story, though., I'm willing to admit that you're right, and I'm...less right.
    05-24-2013 07:49 AM
  14. AngryNil's Avatar
    This has put all those 'Android is bad for HTC' BS rumours to rest.
    Did you really just say that when executives are fleeing HTC as plastered all over the news? It's been said that Samsung owns 95% of operating profits for Android. Does that sound like a healthy ecosystem to be in? (You can argue that Windows Phone is similarly unhealthy, which I'd agree to. Differentiation is something we need, and it's something we're generally not getting with people flocking to popular brands. Nokia isn't going to deliver the perfect phone for everyone, I myself chose a HTC.)

    Their phone sales are shrinking at a staggering rate and no, 2 million lumia sales won't save them
    You realise Nokia used to be the #1 phone manufacturer in volume, right? Nokia doesn't need to regain 100 million units a quarter in order to be "saved". The future is not one where Nokia wholly dominates the ring because legitimate and better alternatives emerged to Symbian. Similarly, Microsoft's future is not a 95% share of whatever new computing paradigm takes off.

    If Nokia worked to achieve a little over 10 million smartphone shipments in a Q1, which would still be considered terrible by the likes of yourself, it would be vying for the #3 spot.

    we know that one HTC flagship outsold 10 Lumia phones combined
    And the iPhone line outsold HTC's One A to Z to 0 to 9. Therefore, I think the strategy forwards should be to adopt iOS.
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    05-24-2013 07:49 AM
  15. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    And they did drop minus the Lumia, compared to last Q or even last q of last year

    http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/1...marena_001.gif

    Their phone sales are shrinking at a staggering rate and no, 2 million lumia sales won't save them,

    LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS

    http://cdn-static.zdnet.com/i/r/stor...50-614x158.png
    Before you ask, yes I have read the Q1 2013 interim report.
    Now then, let me ask you this: what composed bulk of the losses? Symbian losses.
    Is that a good thing? It depends on the situation. The good thing about those "2 million Lumias" you're talking about is that they're growing. And this number was from Q1 2012, as far as I know.
    05-24-2013 08:01 AM
  16. Oakdale Dude's Avatar
    ...An unnamed executive says around 5 million?

    Does the unamed executive give a definition of what "around" means lol

    Are these "around sells" to retailers or consumers?

    Are these shipped numbers or actual sales numbers?

    The phone wars are the new version of the cola wars of the past and hilarious to watch. All of these numbers that the companies THEMSELVES constantly publicize are about as shady as the cars that Lucky Eddie sales at his car lot.

    The only companies making any $$ off of mobile phone sells are Apple & Samsung

    Android hasn't saved HTC. Hasn't saved LG. Hasn't saved Motorola. The list goes on and on. They are all tanking and that's even after flooding the market with a few high end devices and alot of mid and low end devices.

    Android won't save Nokia either because Samsung OWNS Android and Nokia or any other company is not going to change that
    Last edited by Oakdale Dude; 05-24-2013 at 09:34 AM.
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    05-24-2013 09:16 AM
  17. Oliver Newell's Avatar
    Hold on a minute, HTC is loosing much more money than Nokia, by a long shot. The HTC One sales is offset slightly by the pathetic sales of the recently launched HTC First facebook phone and virtually every other HTC phone out there including HTC WP's. Plus its already plagued with build quality, yes build quality problems and software bugs and glitches. Nokia windows phone sales have soared recently, up over 30% from this time last year and that is only going to increase. Besides which Nokia is a premium, quality product. Windows phone OS is a premium, quality platform. You wouldn't put a Ford engine in a Lexus body would you.
    05-24-2013 10:14 AM
  18. Residing's Avatar
    ammarmalik2011 and FavBrowser: I've never been one to discourage dreamers from dreaming, so keep dreaming of Android on Nokia.
    Analysts, as well as you two, can keep posting your data and 'hypotheticals with Android', but it ain't gonna happen!

    Bottom line is, Nokia and WP are a perfect match, and will remain in their exclusivity for a while. Microsoft has captured the best hardware and design partner on the planet in Nokia, as evidenced by the lust of non WP users worldwide, and Android users can't have them.

    At the end of the day, HTC just need to make sure that they stop utilizing Nokia's IP without paying, and continue to pay Nokia the licensing that they currently owe Nokia for the IP that they've been ordered to pay.
    05-24-2013 12:23 PM
  19. CJ Thunder's Avatar
    You wouldn't put a Ford engine in a Lexus body would you.
    Is that a knock on perceived bland styling and poor driving dynamics of the Lexus brand or the perceived cheap quality of Ford?
    05-24-2013 12:28 PM
  20. JerseySal's Avatar
    Hahahha you're so funny.... Aka not -_-

    Well you're giving yourself a bad reputation of being so negative in every thread you look at. But I think a lot of people kind of know that you have a bad reputation already


    Dude also the kids corner thing. If you're a parent (which I doubt you are) would understand that having kids corner does help keep your child from accessing important stuff on your phone. For example you go to work and you leave your phone at home. Your kid looks up something inappropriate like your porn. If you let your child see that. then it means that you're a horrible parent that doesn't watch your child from seeing this stuff. Dude I babysit so I know about this as well as other parents I use kids corner for kids when I do something else while the kids play with my phone
    That dude is a trouble maker in this forum. He's a know-nothing tool.
    05-24-2013 01:03 PM
  21. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Did you really just say that when executives are fleeing HTC as plastered all over the news? It's been said that Samsung owns 95% of operating profits for Android. Does that sound like a healthy ecosystem to be in? (You can argue that Windows Phone is similarly unhealthy, which I'd agree to. Differentiation is something we need, and it's something we're generally not getting with people flocking to popular brands. Nokia isn't going to deliver the perfect phone for everyone, I myself chose a HTC.)


    And the iPhone line outsold HTC's One A to Z to 0 to 9. Therefore, I think the strategy forwards should be to adopt iOS.
    Executives leaving can be for so many reasons I don't know where to start. Scott Forstall was fired from Apple and a few others left, does that mean Apple was going down? No. It's just company politics that have very little to do with the end product.

    And you can't really compare the most valuable company in the world with the one that's almost in a dump. You can however compare Nokia and HTC because they're both struggling to make a comeback.
    05-24-2013 01:08 PM
  22. ammarmalik2011's Avatar

    Android hasn't saved HTC.
    I'm sorry but has HTC been selling eggs for the past 3 years? Because their phone lineup consists almost entirely of Android phones and if the company still exists, it's because of those phones. It's not Android that has been hurting HTC, it's HTC itself. Unclear strategy, poor marketing and just overall bad planning. Let's not forget that the highly coveted HTC 8X was a commercial failure as well; so it's not like they've been having a ball with Windows Phone.
    05-24-2013 01:12 PM
  23. 12Danny123's Avatar
    Executives leaving can be for so many reasons I don't know where to start. Scott Forstall was fired from Apple and a few others left, does that mean Apple was going down? No. It's just company politics that have very little to do with the end product.

    And you can't really compare the most valuable company in the world with the one that's almost in a dump. You can however compare Nokia and HTC because they're both struggling to make a comeback.

    OK how would you explain. That quote an HTC executive said? He recommend other executives to leave the company they'll be very happy"?
    05-24-2013 01:14 PM
  24. 12Danny123's Avatar
    But what about sony, LG, Motorola etc. Ever since they went android they kept loosing money. If you think you know everything you're a bloody I-diot you are
    05-24-2013 01:17 PM
  25. ianberg's Avatar
    Nokia is all in on Windows Phone while former Microsoftie Stephen Elop is the CEO. But that could all change if he's replaced. We shall see.
    05-24-2013 01:36 PM
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