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  1. Oliver Newell's Avatar
    Is that a knock on perceived bland styling and poor driving dynamics of the Lexus brand or the perceived cheap quality of Ford?
    Don't make a big deal of it. Lexus hardware, their bodies, paint finish, panel gaps and quality materials you could translate into Nokia phone as they share the same characteristics. A ford engine, being android OS, would not suit such a premium brand like Lexus, meaning android being the lesser OS should not go in a Nokia. The hardware, Nokia hardware is premium, android being the engine, is not a premium product as we know.
    05-24-2013 04:55 PM
  2. MFmonster's Avatar
    Just shows you that a company that releases a high end Android AND CAN'T COMPETE AGAINST SAMSUNG IN TERMS OF MARKETING BUDGET will still sell while Nokai barely sold 5 million in 3 months having dozens of Lumia phones in the market.

    'Around 5 million' HTC One phones sold since launch | The Verge

    It took HTC only a month.

    Nokia should switch to Android for their high end phones and produce WP low ends.

    We are talking about flagship, 5 million * $600 = $3000000000 in revenue in ONE MONTH, one such device alone would end Nokia struggles and allow them to reinvest everything to innovation that would benefit the consumers

    With all due respect, ;) but an "unnamed executive" supposedly reported "around 5 million" devices. The article is typical nonsense. You do realize that means nothing, right? Silly thread. I won't get into your math or the other misconceptions you presented.. I am sure the HTC one is selling nicely, we purchased one. ;).

    Ammar, your opinions would mean more to people, at least for me, if you improved how you engage in a discussion. Now I don't know you, your just the internet to me, but when someone clearly is coming off like a **** that random people post about you probably means what you are doing is not working.










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    05-24-2013 10:36 PM
  3. cckgz4's Avatar
    Really dude next time please backup your statements with a little bit of factual data. Selling out at Wallmart? Seriously? What is that, like 10,000 units sold? And what market share is Nokia gaining exactly? The snail's pace at which they're going it might take them a decade to reach where Apple is at if Apple drop dead right now. And for how long will Microsoft continue to give $250 million in charity?
    I'm glad someone corrected you already
    05-24-2013 11:11 PM
  4. AngryNil's Avatar
    Executives leaving can be for so many reasons I don't know where to start. Scott Forstall was fired from Apple and a few others left, does that mean Apple was going down? No. It's just company politics that have very little to do with the end product.
    Pitifully weak argument. HTC is losing multiple key executives, one of which publicly called for other employees to ditch the company.

    And you can't really compare the most valuable company in the world with the one that's almost in a dump. You can however compare Nokia and HTC because they're both struggling to make a comeback.
    But you can compare a company who's gone from a declining Symbian to trying to establish a new platform with a company who was the poster child of Android?

    I'm sorry but has HTC been selling eggs for the past 3 years?
    HTC has been doing something with the most popular smartphone platform in the past 3 years that has left it vying for a split of the 5% Android profit share left in the wake of Samsung. I love it how Google fans are so quick to crap on HTC in an attempt to hide how Android is out of control. Keep up the wishful thinking while manufacturers are actually suffering. This is something we did not see with the PC industry.
    05-25-2013 12:13 AM
  5. Harry Wild's Avatar
    Nokia needs to follow HTC lead and get updated hardware technology in their flagship models. Quadcore processors, 2GB RAM, 32GB memory storage and 1080p+ displays along with case designs that are much thinner and much lighter then current models along with better upscale materials for the case like complete metal case, sapphire glass, etc... If Apple iPhone 5S is going to use the A7 processor; it a quad core. Nokia will have no choice but to step up and also use a quad core processor too.
    05-25-2013 12:50 AM
  6. FinancialP's Avatar
    @Harry Wild that's not Nokias choice to step up to quad core. Windows Phone 8 is designed for one chip the S4.

    Maybe 8.1 will introduce quads or 8.5 or whatever the next update is.
    05-25-2013 12:57 AM
  7. FinancialP's Avatar
    Don't make a big deal of it. Lexus hardware, their bodies, paint finish, panel gaps and quality materials you could translate into Nokia phone as they share the same characteristics. A ford engine, being android OS, would not suit such a premium brand like Lexus, meaning android being the lesser OS should not go in a Nokia. The hardware, Nokia hardware is premium, android being the engine, is not a premium product as we know.
    All around bad analogy. You do know that Lexus are only dressed up Toyotas? Pick any Toyota and put leather seats, navigation, and swap logos and you have a Lexus. The price will be significantly different but you catch my drift.
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    05-25-2013 01:07 AM
  8. Oliver Newell's Avatar
    All around bad analogy. You do know that Lexus are only dressed up Toyotas? Pick any Toyota and put leather seats, navigation, and swap logos and you have a Lexus. The price will be significantly different but you catch my drift.
    No I don't catch your drift. While this is a phone forum what you are saying is nonsense. Lexus are built in entirely different factories from Toyota, with different quality standards by different people, using different engines. They have different designers and different marketers. They also have much more standards equipment and more technology available. In That case an Audi is a Skoda with four rings on the bonnet.
    05-25-2013 03:20 AM
  9. montsa007's Avatar
    Sigh, the guy who is multiplying $600 by 5 million needs to know that the 600$ also includes the manufacturing cost, advertising cost, overheads and others. So the 600 figure is not your net, but gross profit.

    The only thing I like about HTC is their design, and the worst thing is well...rather not speak :D.

    Not to forget that the 600$ beast will start lagging after a few weeks.
    05-25-2013 04:03 AM
  10. nikhilr51's Avatar
    Read the first few replies........ SHUT UP GODDAMIT. IF YOU WANT AN ANDROID PHONE BUY AN ANDROID PHONE FARRRRRRRRRKKKKKKKKK.
    Nokia is gonna be WP only for the foreseeable future.

    Both are excellent phones!!! I'm sure you'll be happy either way.

    Stop complaining you cant get a Nokia Android phone and that that IF they released one they would magiclly start churning out millions of dollars.
    Oliver Newell likes this.
    05-25-2013 06:07 AM
  11. Dave Blake's Avatar
    If you can't handle the content in this thread don't post in it. This is the Phone WARS part of the forum expect controversy. Everyone in this thread has there bias is fighting to prove a point that can't be proven. The facts and figures simply are not available. Make your point in a civil manned and be a pro or from this point on I will be handing out infarctions for personal attacks. Those will go to everyone involved not just the person who starts the fight. You have been warned.

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    05-25-2013 08:11 AM
  12. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Pitifully weak argument. HTC is losing multiple key executives, one of which publicly called for other employees to ditch the company.
    But you can compare a company who's gone from a declining Symbian to trying to establish a new platform with a company who was the poster child of Android?

    HTC has been doing something with the most popular smartphone platform in the past 3 years that has left it vying for a split of the 5% Android profit share left in the wake of Samsung. I love it how Google fans are so quick to crap on HTC in an attempt to hide how Android is out of control. Keep up the wishful thinking while manufacturers are actually suffering. This is something we did not see with the PC industry.
    1- you don't know the reason why they're leaving. let's leave speculation out of this. people leave for a lot of reasons. And don't forget HTC makes Windows Phones too so that OS is also responsible for their demise.
    2-I'm comparing two companies with their heydays behind them. Simple as that. Let's not go into semantics.
    3- How much profit has HTC made from it's Windows Phones again?
    05-25-2013 09:59 AM
  13. FinancialP's Avatar
    No I don't catch your drift. While this is a phone forum what you are saying is nonsense. Lexus are built in entirely different factories from Toyota, with different quality standards by different people, using different engines. They have different designers and different marketers. They also have much more standards equipment and more technology available. In That case an Audi is a Skoda with four rings on the bonnet.
    different quality standards? Different engines? Its the exact same frame, exact same motors, just different logos. I see Lexus marketing and allure has worked on you.

    Pick any Toyota and it will have matching Lexus. No way around that.
    05-25-2013 10:28 AM
  14. Dave Blake's Avatar
    1- you don't know the reason why they're leaving. let's leave speculation out of this. people leave for a lot of reasons. And don't forget HTC makes Windows Phones too so that OS is also responsible for their demise.
    2-I'm comparing two companies with their heydays behind them. Simple as that. Let's not go into semantics.
    3- How much profit has HTC made from it's Windows Phones again?
    1) You say don't speculate then you follow that with speculation of your own.

    2) More speculation, none of these companies are closing. Who can say if they have had their heyday.

    3) Profit is profit right? Who is to say where tomorrows money will come from.

    You should start to see where some might find your comments bias or one directional. If you ask from proof provided some if you ask people not to speculate than don't speculate its that simple.
    05-25-2013 10:32 AM
  15. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    1) You say don't speculate then you follow that with speculation of your own.

    2) More speculation, none of these companies are closing. Who can say if they have had their heyday.

    3) Profit is profit right? Who is to say where tomorrows money will come from.

    You should start to see where some might find your comments bias or one directional. If you ask from proof provided some if you ask people not to speculate than don't speculate its that simple.
    1 - I'm not. Everything I've said in this thread is backed up. Nokia's sales figures have been shown here. I've shown how LG is growing under Android.
    2 - Nokia was the biggest cellphone manufacturer in the world with close to 50% market share. I think it's safe to say they're well past their prime, for now.
    3 - You tell me, how much has HTC earned from Windows Phones? How much has it helped them? That was my question. People here love to blame Android for HTC's problems, conveniently forgetting they make quite a few Windows Phones.
    05-25-2013 10:54 AM
  16. Shouvik Mazumdar's Avatar
    Amar Mallik ,

    Have been reading your posts since morning. Few quick points (rather my views)

    HTC & Windows Phone

    A phone doesn't sell just because you make it. HTC windows phones are beautiful. But I don't think they dedicated much resources towards them. I have rarely (actually never) seen an HTC WP advertisement.

    Take my example , I wanted a flagship phone. I was amazed by the HTC 8X . It looked amazing and the beats audio was a deal breaker. But I knew Nokia was doing lot more in WP space than HTC. App selection was far better , even OS updates come first from NOKIA. I ended up buying Lumia 920 (and am super happy)

    So WP like any other OS is not Jesus Christ who can save a company. A company needs to dedicate its resources , marketing innovation to support it. HTC didn't do as much required for Windows Phone. So it would be unfair to expect WP be the lone savior for HTC.

    They did however do a good job with Android launching some amazing phones , marketing etc.

    Android & Nokia

    Let's leave that decision to Elop and his team :) But what I feel is:

    1) Software has become one of the key differentiator that influences consumer behavior
    2) If Nokia does go for Android. It has to develop apps , a new UI etc or some sort of key differentiation to win over people from the Samsung etc.
    3) I doubt Nokia would have that much resource / time to explore that avenue

    One thing am sure , folks at Nokia must have explored this choice when there platform was burning. Let's hope they keep revisiting their strategy and keep improvising

    Generally speaking:

    Hey ! No one denies Android is an ultra popular OS. You love Android , keep doing it. We people here love WP. WP is growing and has not met with stagnancy. That is good enough. Of course MS needs to do a lil more , but frankly as Lumia 920 user , I really love the phone and yes I am an Android migrant
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    05-25-2013 11:35 AM
  17. Dave Blake's Avatar
    1 - I'm not. Everything I've said in this thread is backed up. Nokia's sales figures have been shown here. I've shown how LG is growing under Android.
    2 - Nokia was the biggest cellphone manufacturer in the world with close to 50% market share. I think it's safe to say they're well past their prime, for now.
    3 - You tell me, how much has HTC earned from Windows Phones? How much has it helped them? That was my question. People here love to blame Android for HTC's problems, conveniently forgetting they make quite a few Windows Phones.
    1) I must be misunderstanding something. Where in this thread did you prove that Windows Phone contributed to the demise of HTC?
    2) "for now" The key words, everything else you say is just speculation.
    3) I would say that if Windows Phone is turning a profit then it is helping keep HTC going not contributing to is downfall. The mere premise is contradictory.
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 05-25-2013 at 02:42 PM.
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    05-25-2013 12:38 PM
  18. erzhik's Avatar
    Just shows you that a company that releases a high end Android AND CAN'T COMPETE AGAINST SAMSUNG IN TERMS OF MARKETING BUDGET will still sell while Nokai barely sold 5 million in 3 months having dozens of Lumia phones in the market.

    'Around 5 million' HTC One phones sold since launch | The Verge

    It took HTC only a month.

    Nokia should switch to Android for their high end phones and produce WP low ends.

    We are talking about flagship, 5 million * $600 = $3000000000 in revenue in ONE MONTH, one such device alone would end Nokia struggles and allow them to reinvest everything to innovation that would benefit the consumers
    Here are the problems with your statements.

    1. Android is a well established OS, it's older than WP. So there is 0 reason to compare sales right now.

    2. Perhaps you missed the fact where WP is growing faster than iOS and Android combined when they were in their early stages.

    3. You cannot multiply $600 by 5million. This is not how it works. Carriers pay the OEMs a lot less because they buy in huge bulks. While you pay $600 for unlocked, carriers pay pennies for each device. When you buy from carrier, that $600 goes to carrier, NOT the OEM. Also, it would be foolish to multiply 5million by $600 because majority of phones are sold on contracts, meaning even less revenue.

    4. Even with all HTC's success, Nokia still sells a lot more devices than HTC worldwide.

    5. WP will get to where Android is now, eventually. You know why? Because over time Android marketshare will fall and it will fall dramatically. Think of Apple, they had the market in their hand with the iPhone, but now it's less than 20%. By the end of 2014, it is predicted that iPhone marketshare will drop into single digits. Same will happen to Android eventually. And once WP takes off, same will happen to WP over time, when a new OS arrives. And a new OS will arrive, it's foolish to think otherwise.
    05-25-2013 01:04 PM
  19. FinancialP's Avatar
    @erzhik sorry but anyone who is thinking objectively and bases their opinions on factual evidence, can only agree with your point number 4.

    Android has the marker because of each device ability to be unique, and run all the apps. All devices can perform differently but yet still have the same apps. OEMs can give people what they want and not have to worry about a app ecosystem. Carriers and shops can carry a ton of uniquely different Android devices.

    Apple still ships a record number of iPhones. Their numbers just don't meet analyst estimations, sort of like Microsoft on Windows 8 installations.
    05-25-2013 02:35 PM
  20. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    Is that a knock on perceived bland styling and poor driving dynamics of the Lexus brand or the perceived cheap quality of Ford?
    Have you been paying attention to Lexus lately?

    2014 Lexus IS 350 F Sport First Drive - Motor Trend
    2013 BMW 328i M Sport vs. 2013 Cadillac ATS 2.0 Premium vs. 2014 Lexus IS 250 F Sport on Edmunds.com
    Lexus IS 350 F SPORT, BMW 335i M SPORT & Cadillac ATS - Imgur
    Six-Cylinder Midsize Luxury Sedan Comparison - Audi A6, BMW 535i, Lexus GS 350, Infiniti M37 - Motor Trend

    Ford Quality Perception:
    Honda, Lexus Are Tops In Perceived Quality; Ford, Hyundai Improve

    different quality standards? Different engines? Its the exact same frame, exact same motors, just different logos. I see Lexus marketing and allure has worked on you.

    Pick any Toyota and it will have matching Lexus. No way around that.
    Any Toyota? You sure? How about these?

    • Toyota Corolla
    • Toyota Prius
    • Toyota Avalon
    • Toyota 86 (GT86 in Europe, Scion FR-S in the States)
    • Toyota FJ Cruiser
    • Toyota Tacoma
    • Toyota Tundra


    How about the reverse?
    • Lexus IS
    • Lexus GS
    • Lexus LS
    • Lexus RX
    05-25-2013 02:45 PM
  21. FinancialP's Avatar
    End of the day exact same frames and motors minus the specialties.

    Lexus IS is a Camry. Avalon is a LS. That's common knowledge but carry on.
    05-25-2013 05:19 PM
  22. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    05-25-2013 05:20 PM
  23. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Pretty much sums up what I've been saying

    Nokias recipe for success: offer Android phones | Pocketnow
    Funny that I agree with another article. http://pocketnow.com/2013/05/22/noki...-windows-phone
    I use my Android phone primarily for Google services. Says a lot.
    05-25-2013 05:37 PM
  24. squire777's Avatar
    HTC, Motorola, and LG are great examples of how Android is helping the profits of those companies...

    Oh wait no, the mobile divisions of those companies aren't doing so hot are they? HTC is in on the road to oblivion if they don't turn things around drastically, Motorola is being propped up by Google's deep pockets and LG phones are barely heard of these days.

    Plopping Android on to a Nokia phone doesn't guarantee success for Nokia, especially in a market that is dominated by Samsung. The whole notion of Android being better for Nokia is just propagated by Android fanboys who want to get their hands on Nokia's superior hardware but can't at the moment.
    05-25-2013 05:43 PM
  25. ammarmalik2011's Avatar
    Funny that I agree with another article. Nokia Android phone? Yawn. Google-friendly Windows Phone? Take my money. | Pocketnow
    I use my Android phone primarily for Google services. Says a lot.
    The only problem is that we might never see a Google friendly Windows Phone.
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    05-25-2013 05:58 PM
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