07-26-2013 11:47 PM
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  1. smoledman's Avatar
    Think about it, what's really killing WP right now is not lack of Instagram but Google Apps. Youtube is the #1 consumer app in the world right now and Google will never, ever bring a first-class YT app to WP8 or Windows 8. Youtube is now what MS Word was 15 years ago, a platform decider. That's why iOS/Android have 90% of the market sewn up - Google apps.
    07-24-2013 10:57 PM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    I thought about it and dismissed it outright. What keeps google going is what Microsoft "allows' them to do. What makes google the lions share of it bank are ads on the desktop, which is owned by Microsoft. Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. And trust me, Microsoft could make life difficult for google whenever it decides to pull the trigger on its API, rendering any and everything google does feel less than Netscape. Having said that, the deal is already in the works for the kind of Youtube app Microsoft wants and google could live with. I wouldn't worry about Microsoft. They been in the game a lot longer than that ad agency.
    07-24-2013 11:06 PM
  3. cckgz4's Avatar
    This could be true, but if we have strong alternatives, we could be ok

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    Laura Knotek likes this.
    07-24-2013 11:27 PM
  4. qudahamohammad's Avatar
    if you think that the lack of an app can destroy a platform then Windows Phone would've sunk months ago. 3rd party alternatives can be used to fill the purpose or YouTube. Personally I use YouTube HD to play YouTube videos but I'm pretty sure that are tens of 3rd party alternatives that you could use instead of the official application.
    07-24-2013 11:29 PM
  5. smoledman's Avatar
    if you think that the lack of an app can destroy a platform then Windows Phone would've sunk months ago. 3rd party alternatives can be used to fill the purpose or YouTube. Personally I use YouTube HD to play YouTube videos but I'm pretty sure that are tens of 3rd party alternatives that you could use instead of the official application.
    One could argue WP is stillborn at 3% marketshare. It never took off.
    explosive0 likes this.
    07-24-2013 11:35 PM
  6. spaulagain's Avatar
    One could argue WP is stillborn at 3% marketshare. It never took off.
    But it is taking off. Its the fastest growing OS right now. It just has 2 behemoth competitors in a market that lags due to contract requirements, etc.
    07-24-2013 11:47 PM
  7. a5cent's Avatar
    Think about it, what's really killing WP right now is not lack of Instagram but Google Apps. Youtube is the #1 consumer app in the world right now and Google will never, ever bring a first-class YT app to WP8 or Windows 8. Youtube is now what MS Word was 15 years ago, a platform decider. That's why iOS/Android have 90% of the market sewn up - Google apps.
    Nah, alternatives like MetroTube are just fine. A 1st party implementation adds no significant value over what MetroTube already does. IMHO MetroTube is even better than what Google would offer, as MetroTube omits the advertisements

    Google can't kill WP. Apple can't kill WP. The only thing that can kill WP is Microsoft.
    07-24-2013 11:58 PM
  8. Chregu's Avatar
    Youtube?

    I care more about Google Search and Google Maps, as Bing is terrible where I live. But for that there are satisfying 3rd party apps too.
    07-25-2013 12:27 AM
  9. ag1986's Avatar
    I thought about it and dismissed it outright. What keeps google going is what Microsoft "allows' them to do. What makes google the lions share of it bank are ads on the desktop, which is owned by Microsoft. Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. And trust me, Microsoft could make life difficult for google whenever it decides to pull the trigger on its API, rendering any and everything google does feel less than Netscape. Having said that, the deal is already in the works for the kind of Youtube app Microsoft wants and google could live with. I wouldn't worry about Microsoft. They been in the game a lot longer than that ad agency.
    Um. What API?
    07-25-2013 12:36 AM
  10. PeadarWagon's Avatar
    One could argue WP is stillborn at 3% marketshare. It never took off.
    I am tired of this argument. First of all, I believe it is closer to 6% now. This shows huge growth. Everything has to start somewhere. Craft beer only makes up about 7% of all beer. This doesn't mean I have to drink terrible beer because the vast majority of people like to drink cold pee water.
    07-25-2013 12:53 AM
  11. Chregu's Avatar
    I am tired of this argument. First of all, I believe it is closer to 6% now. This shows huge growth. Everything has to start somewhere. Craft beer only makes up about 7% of all beer. This doesn't mean I have to drink terrible beer because the vast majority of people like to drink cold pee water.
    I think the entire app development situation is a little different in the beer market for example. ;-)
    07-25-2013 01:11 AM
  12. anon(5346288)'s Avatar
    When people ask me if WP has this app or that app, many times I say yes but other times I say "No BUT there's a really good alternatives that work well such as..." I think some people don't consider 3rd party apps any better than the original per say, either that or they might have a bad experience with 3rd party apps on whatever platform they use. Either way when I say 3rd party or alternative, most assume it's a bad thing. I even explain how most of the developers of these apps work hard and support their apps better, etc and even then its hard to convince them sometimes.

    If Google plays "hard to get" for WP then that WOULD scare away potential buyers even if there are alternatives 1000x better. Just look at the effect it has for not having the "official" Instagram app, etc. Microsoft is doing everything they can to get bigname apps and we see that almost every day with big name releases. Even then, it takes time to get Big name apps on board, for development, release, certification, etc.

    Google can't grow for ever. Their growth will slow down at some point. WP is still young and has room and potential for some serious growth. That along with the tight integration with other MS products should hit a home run.
    07-25-2013 01:13 AM
  13. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    When people ask me if WP has this app or that app, many times I say yes but other times I say "No BUT there's a really good alternatives that work well such as..." I think some people don't consider 3rd party apps any better than the original per say, either that or they might have a bad experience with 3rd party apps on whatever platform they use. Either way when I say 3rd party or alternative, most assume it's a bad thing. I even explain how most of the developers of these apps work hard and support their apps better, etc and even then its hard to convince them sometimes.

    If Google plays "hard to get" for WP then that WOULD scare away potential buyers even if there are alternatives 1000x better. Just look at the effect it has for not having the "official" Instagram app, etc. Microsoft is doing everything they can to get bigname apps and we see that almost every day with big name releases. Even then, it takes time to get Big name apps on board, for development, release, certification, etc.

    Google can't grow for ever. Their growth will slow down at some point. WP is still young and has room and potential for some serious growth. That along with the tight integration with other MS products should hit a home run.
    I agree with you on 3rd party apps. That doesn't mean they are bad, and in many cases they are better. Look how many iPhone and Android users prefer 3rd party Twitter apps. If iOS/Android has better 3rd party apps, then so can Windows Phone.
    AngrySprintUser likes this.
    07-25-2013 01:19 AM
  14. sdc1's Avatar
    This is a non arguement for me. Open a browser and go to YouTube - viola.
    07-25-2013 04:03 AM
  15. Ray Adams's Avatar
    I can only agree about youtube. I don't need anything else from Evil corporation. I have already switched all my mails to outlook.com, moves all photos from Picasa to SkyDrive, I use Nokia maps (much better that google maps here). So I don't think groogle can kill WP.
    OHardy, JohnStrk and Laura Knotek like this.
    07-25-2013 04:56 AM
  16. GReeN SCoRPioN 8K's Avatar
    If anything not kills WP than it is YouTube... We have so many High Quality 3rd Party YouTube Apps...

    Maybe a Google Maps app is Missing (I Prefer Here Maps Over Google) but thats not the Point... We see so Much Big Name Apps in the last 2-3 Month, let us wait another 2-3 and nealry no big App or a Good Alternative will be missed.

    The Problem is MS has to do bring Update for the Little things sooo many of us need like Rotation Lock, Sound Profiles, Notification Center (Even i do not need one), Support for Newer Hardware (OK WP8 is fast on CUrrent Hardware but People still look to Hardware Specs too much).
    07-25-2013 07:50 AM
  17. gsquared's Avatar
    I thought about it and dismissed it outright. What keeps google going is what Microsoft "allows' them to do. What makes google the lions share of it bank are ads on the desktop, which is owned by Microsoft. Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8. And trust me, Microsoft could make life difficult for google whenever it decides to pull the trigger on its API, rendering any and everything google does feel less than Netscape. Having said that, the deal is already in the works for the kind of Youtube app Microsoft wants and google could live with. I wouldn't worry about Microsoft. They been in the game a lot longer than that ad agency.
    Mah brother Sherman Hemsley tellyng th' man whut it is!
    07-25-2013 08:00 AM
  18. MFmonster's Avatar
    One could argue WP is stillborn at 3% marketshare. It never took off.
    No, "one" could not argue because the number one does not relate to WP. Now eight on the other hand...
    07-25-2013 10:30 AM
  19. inteller's Avatar
    I use zero google services save for a youtube video that just happens to be embedded on a news article I click. I don't miss any of their apps one bit.

    To say YouTube is a platform decider may be the most ridiculous thing I've read this week. Youtube at its core does one thing, it serves up a video. Nothing in their service prevents one from watching a served up video in any fashion. In fact windows Phone does it natively so no big deal there. I have no desire or interest to browse their site and comment on and watch trite crap....but if a site or app wants to use them to serve up video through their app no biggy as long as I don't have to sign up for a Google+ privacy stealing account.
    dubbaYous and coip like this.
    07-25-2013 10:34 AM
  20. JerseySal's Avatar
    Here come the make believe market analyists saying that phones live and die by an app.
    martinmc78 and Tribu like this.
    07-25-2013 11:18 AM
  21. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Think about it


    Google killing WP............



    Youtube is the #1 consumer app in the world right now and Google will never, ever bring a first-class YT app to WP8 or Windows 8. Youtube is now what MS Word was 15 years ago, a platform decider.
    MetroTube and Mytube are just fine.
    07-26-2013 01:44 AM
  22. iHusky's Avatar
    Google don`t kill Windows Phone, Windows Phone kill itself:
    -Microsoft don`t listen their users
    -They don`t want give acess to Xbox Music Store and Xbox Music Pass to Poland and other countries (What`s wrong Steve Ballmer? you are blind ? or you ignore countries who can give more profits from buying songs? )
    -Their Music app is one big mistake, this duplicate songs every time, and why Zune don`t works with WP8? It as a one good equivalent for iTunes!!!!!!!!!!!!
    -After GDR 2 My HTC 8S withstand 1,5 day for one charging, 4 days before GDR 2
    -Xbox Music Pass don`t let sync all your playlist, it only sync music buying from their shop
    -Microsoft if you have trouble with you music application, ask Apple for creating iTunes app on WP 8!!!
    07-26-2013 01:51 AM
  23. tungha's Avatar
    Google don`t kill Windows Phone, Windows Phone kill itself:
    -Microsoft don`t listen their users
    -They don`t want give acess to Xbox Music Store and Xbox Music Pass to Poland and other countries (What`s wrong Steve Ballmer? you are blind ? or you ignore countries who can give more profits from buying songs? )
    -Their Music app is one big mistake, this duplicate songs every time, and why Zune don`t works with WP8? It as a one good equivalent for iTunes!!!!!!!!!!!!
    -After GDR 2 My HTC 8S withstand 1,5 day for one charging, 4 days before GDR 2
    -Xbox Music Pass don`t let sync all your playlist, it only sync music buying from their shop
    -Microsoft if you have trouble with you music application, ask Apple for creating iTunes app on WP 8!!!
    Microsoft don`t listen their users => actually, the listen, but didn't do anything *lol*
    Tribu likes this.
    07-26-2013 02:12 AM
  24. Chregu's Avatar
    Microsoft don`t listen their users => actually, the listen, but didn't do anything *lol*
    I think the Xbox One is a good example of how Microsoft CAN listen to the customers. But I also think the Xbox business is much more important to Microsoft and hence they have more resources and are more capable of listening and reacting.

    Windows Phone still feels like some unimportant side branch they have, making no money and having no market share. I think of better apps for the iPhone than for Windows Phone, or some time ago the commercials for some app in which they forgot to include Windows Phone. It has improved a lot recently, but maybe the restructuring of Microsoft will additionally help in this area.
    07-26-2013 02:37 AM
  25. tungha's Avatar
    I think the Xbox One is a good example of how Microsoft CAN listen to the customers. But I also think the Xbox business is much more important to Microsoft and hence they have more resources and are more capable of listening and reacting.

    Windows Phone still feels like some unimportant side branch they have, but which makes no money and has no market share. I think of better apps for the iPhone than for Windows Phone, or some time ago the commercials for some app in which they forgot to include Windows Phone. It has improved a lot recently, but maybe the restructuring of Microsoft will additionally help a lot in this area.
    both Xbox One and Windows 8 are the example of listen & do, only WP team do not have this thing
    07-26-2013 02:41 AM
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