08-17-2013 02:38 AM
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  1. kamikaze80's Avatar
    orientation lock, fixing xbox music to make it like zune software, separate volume for music and ringer, solving "other storage" issue - this is all basic **** that should've been done 3 yrs ago and, one would think, would take about a week to fix if MS really cared.

    that's why there's so much angst about it. MS has been tooling around with 4% market share and they cant/wont even fix these very simple, basic issues.
    08-10-2013 05:32 PM
  2. iamtim's Avatar
    orientation lock, fixing xbox music to make it like zune software, separate volume for music and ringer, solving "other storage" issue - this is all basic **** that should've been done 3 yrs ago
    So YOU think. But not everyone shares your views; aside of the "other storage" issue, I don't see eye-to-eye on any of them. To wit, I see no need for an orientation lock (not that I'm denying there should be one, I'm only saying I don't care and it's not a high priority "thing"); while Xbox Music might have some issues, making it like Zune software is not the answer; and I prefer unified volume controls.

    And I know I'm not the only person with those views. Just because YOU think something is important does not mean it's important to the *platform*.

    and, one would think, would take about a week to fix if MS really cared.
    Obviously you're not a software developer.
    08-10-2013 06:13 PM
  3. pcangeldust's Avatar
    No USB tethering.
    Such a basic feature missing come on microsoft.
    A file manager would be nice and even though I rarely download, it should be stored on the phone not skydrive.
    08-10-2013 06:22 PM
  4. downhillrider's Avatar
    I havent been keeping up too much with the new updates since I sold my 920 for a HTC One, but is GDR update will it bring orientation lock and the long rumored notification panel or whatever they would call it?
    08-10-2013 06:23 PM
  5. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    So YOU think. But not everyone shares your views
    Aren't you a proper fanboy.. People are expressing very valid flaws of the system, and yes, all that, no AirDroid kind of software, no app to hide your videos (yes i want some porn go away), it will be among your cat and rainbow videos, and Google services, that one should be in bold. And yes, stuck process battery drainage issue..
    08-10-2013 06:48 PM
  6. pcangeldust's Avatar
    and no USB tethering lol

    it really pissed me off that such a basic feature is missing come on dude.

    I had to internet share over wifi with my android phone and then USB tether using the android.
    08-10-2013 06:57 PM
  7. hary536's Avatar
    He may mean Amber Alert because they have a setting to enable "Government Alerts" and when it goes off it can be annoying. (My mom has a 4s) 
    I haven't found that setting in my iphone4S. I did receive that Amber Alert. I believe it is AT&T's firmware update compatible with certain models of phones. I am sure if AT&T wants, they can release similar firmware updates for higher end Nokias/WP. But I also found the amber alert annoying and then couldn't find from where to turn off.
    08-10-2013 10:40 PM
  8. jkrc717's Avatar
    Thanks for all the comments everyone.

    I don't see the need for a notification center. My live tiles show me everything. I do somewhat miss the blinking notification light i had on BB.

    The other thing I miss about BB that I'm sure IPhone and Android have is customization.

    Those are the only things I can think of, but none is a deal breaker. Everything else I read on this thread and by doing my own research I care zero for.

    A deal breaker for me is that you have to go thru ITunes to do anything with the IPhone. Being able to plug in a USB cord into my PC to transfer files is big for me.

    The GDR updates should fix everything else for me. It does irk me a little that updates take so long. That could be a deal breaker.

    I'll be honest, if BB had the apps of an IPhone, Android or even WP, that would be my preferred choice. Although I haven't tried BB10 and by the looks of it, I'm not sure I like all the swiping.

    Nokia is the #1 reason why I decided to go with WP. They're great. It seems that MFT is the reason for any and all flaws. If Nokia jumps ship, so will I.

    Like I said before, I could care less who's 1st or 2nd or 3rd and so on. I don't care about the companies. Why would I? I'm a consumer. I want the best bang for my buck. If I want a flagship phone, then it better damn be one.

    If I wanted to buy a cheese burger and McDonalds was the only place that offered cheese, why would I go to burger king?

    I do LOVE my 920 so I think I'm going to wait until the next flagship phones come out and make a decision. Which should be fairly soon. However, if WP does not get their act together very soon, I will not wait.

    Not about being impatient either. It's about everything else.

    FYI, the amber alert was some government type of alert. Not a deal breaker, but still thought it was cool.
    08-11-2013 02:55 AM
  9. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Visit Feature Suggestions: Top (32404 ideas) and you will know what are missing from WP... You will know what android have and WP haven't. There are a bunch of necessary features are missing from WP:
    1. There is no File Manager.
    2. Browsers don't download files straight into device, but to SkyDrive.
    3. You can't close apps on task manager as like on iPhone and Android.
    4. Media and Ringer volumes are same. So that there is 50% chance to miss your incoming calls.
    5. SD card is read only. No apps have full support to SD card.
    6. No Notification Center as like iPhone and Android., and even there is no Notification indicator(Blink LED).
    7. Large and major thing is the 'Other Storage' kills all phone storage. It takes about 1.5-2GB of Available 4.8GB., ON Nokia Lumia (520,620,720).
    8. We can't download Torrents on Mobile as like Android and Symbian. There are apps like wpTorrent, but the downloaded torrent file resides in apps' storage, and we can't transfer it to our PC. WTF!!!!!!
    9. Another most frustrating thing is lack of Official Apps like Facebook, GMail, Gtalk, YouTube, Instagram, Google Maps, etc.
    I'm practically sick of people turning up with their own interpretation of the OS. You need to have been with WP for a long enough time to understand how it works. When you compare potato with a melon - you will find differences.

    1. There is no File Manager.
    2. Browsers don't download files straight into device, but to SkyDrive. - Urm not sure that happens, none of my Skydrive folder has anything I've ever downloaded.
    3. You can't close apps on task manager as like on iPhone and Android.- You don't need to. They are "closed" ie WP language tombstoned as soon as you leave them.
    4. Media and Ringer volumes are same. So that there is 50% chance to miss your incoming calls. - No I've never missed my call in 3 years!
    5. SD card is read only. No apps have full support to SD card.
    6. No Notification Center as like iPhone and Android., and even there is no Notification indicator(Blink LED). - You have live tiles and 3 sizes to pin and see as much of a notification as you want. Those that don't have live tile working you can compare them to apps on Android and iOS that don't have notifications working.
    7. Large and major thing is the 'Other Storage' kills all phone storage. It takes about 1.5-2GB of Available 4.8GB., ON Nokia Lumia (520,620,720). - It doesn't anymore with update GDR2.
    8. We can't download Torrents on Mobile as like Android and Symbian. There are apps like wpTorrent, but the downloaded torrent file resides in apps' storage, and we can't transfer it to our PC. WTF!!!!!! - Torrents bring malware and no thank you I am happy to not do that on my phone - WP isn't malware magnet like the ones you speak of.
    9. Another most frustrating thing is lack of Official Apps like Facebook, GMail, Gtalk, YouTube, Instagram, Google Maps, etc - App gap has always been there and will be there. Google apps won't come on this OS because Google won't stand competition. Other official apps have come at the rate of 2-3 apps a month in last one year or may be even more.

    It does irk me a little that updates take so long. That could be a deal breaker
    However, if WP does not get their act together very soon, I will not wait.
    Not about being impatient either. It's about everything else.
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    You need patience with WP. It's slow but steady in the game. It doesn't need to rush like iPhone had to or Android had to. Those two OS had to rush and do things quickly because marketshares were up for grabs. WP is more like a pet project that Microsoft would like to evolve with the whole ecosystem. If you think of it as ecosystem point of view, it is going to strongly progress. But as a phone on its own, you need plenty of patience. These GDR updates are tiny updates between two major annual updates. So you get a major update, three tiny GDRs in 12 months span end of that year you get another major update. Compare that to other phones it is still the same - one major update a year PLUS 3 small patches in between. That is not slow, that is consistent and uniform + with Nokia there will be a firmware update EVERY time so technically in a year you get 8 updates on your phone that add small features with one update of huge overhaul.
    Last edited by rockstarzzz; 08-11-2013 at 08:37 AM.
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    08-11-2013 08:27 AM
  10. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    IThey are "closed" ie WP language tombstoned as soon as you leave them.
    This will be great if it was true, but it isn't. You are not noticing hundread of threads on the web about stuck process/app issue, that drains the battery?
    08-11-2013 08:33 AM
  11. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    This will be great if it was true, but it isn't. You are not noticing hundread of threads on the web about stuck process/app issue, that drains the battery?
    That is true, you believe it or not is upto you. The threads are of apps misbehaving when not correctly coded. Nothing to do with OS. e.g. look and read up on Nokia Drive issue which won't tombstone app but then it was fixed.

    Aren't you a proper fanboy.. People are expressing very valid flaws of the system, and yes, all that, no AirDroid kind of software, no app to hide your videos (yes i want some porn go away), it will be among your cat and rainbow videos, and Google services, that one should be in bold. And yes, stuck process battery drainage issue..
    There are apps to hide your porn.
    08-11-2013 08:36 AM
  12. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    Well all apps that i do have are the best apps in the market. The problem is there, the OS should kill them when they get stuck, but it doesn't. Unlike ANdroid i can't pinpoint which app/process is causing the problem.

    As for porn, show me one :) You can hide pictures, but i've tried them all and none of them work for videos.
    08-11-2013 08:42 AM
  13. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Well all apps that i do have are the best apps in the market. The problem is there, the OS should kill them when they get stuck, but it doesn't. Unlike ANdroid i can't pinpoint which app/process is causing the problem.

    As for porn, show me one :) You can hide pictures, but i've tried them all and none of them work for videos.
    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-gb/st...e-be5dd7d686a8

    http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/st...e-818526f6208b

    Private Hub | Windows Phone Apps+Games Store (United Kingdom)

    OS kills all my tombstone apps, literally all since last 3 years. Nothing goes wild in background, only stay in a paused state doing nothing to my battery.
    08-11-2013 08:46 AM
  14. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    You just linked me to those that i've already tried, ok didn't the first one but i see that i have to first upload a video to Skydrive, useless..

    Some problem is there with WP8's battery, i've stumbled upon many threads, maybe it's not the apps but something is going on and it's random, and it needs to be fixed..
    08-11-2013 08:51 AM
  15. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    You just linked me to those that i've already tried, ok didn't the first one but i see that i have to first upload a video to Skydrive, useless.. ..
    You don't need to upload it first to Skydrive. Seems you try and skim and interpret the way you want to interpret? It gives you an option to "import and export" to Skydrive an added option for private videos! You just lock your videos in app using 6 digit PIN!


    Some problem is there with WP8's battery, i've stumbled upon many threads, maybe it's not the apps but something is going on and it's random, and it needs to be fixed..
    That's is very subjective and vague statement. Battery is more than subjective observation to start with. So I'm not indulging in this vague conversation. I hope your issues are fixed and hopefully a thread or two on the right topic may help you.
    08-11-2013 08:54 AM
  16. Dave Blake's Avatar
    To the OP

    That is really two questions. People think that these updates (GDR2/3) are not a big deal because these updates do not bring things they want or need for their phone. In fact these updates are huge deals because they will allow for the addition of newer much desired hardware availability to phone manufacturers. You say you like to have the Hero devices well WP OS is being upgraded to handle and make use of all that great new hardware that people want in their hero devices. Everybody has a list of "I want that on Windows Phone" items. I have a list of things I would like to see on WP and if I used Android or iPhone as my daily driver I would have a list for those devices as well. In the end it comes down to what does jkrc717 want and need from his phone. From here the debate will rage on who is better and why, what OS dose this and what OS does that. Its a fun topic to debate there are many threads where we have beaten this topic to death. The thing you need to know is this WP has the newest OS with the NT core it is the most adaptable and future ready OS on the market. If what you have now fits your needs then don't worry about it. Just sit back and enjoy the ride watch as WP will get updated with more options and the apps will get better and better. All of this takes time if you need something now that is missing from WP you might need to chose another OS but be ready for the differences. Each OS has advantages and disadvantages make sure you know what they are before you jump ship. Let me ask you this, why did you chose WP in the first place?
    08-11-2013 08:57 AM
  17. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    @ rockstarzz

    I'm just asking you to first test your claims, then to write things.. i don't think it's that hard? I've tried them all, and yes just tried this one too, it can only import from Skydrive, and has some limits like 100mb a file and other nonsense..

    And here's the battery problem proof: http://wmpoweruser.com/the-wp8-stuck...ad-complaints/
    08-11-2013 09:00 AM
  18. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Visit Feature Suggestions: Top (32404 ideas) and you will know what are missing from WP... You will know what android have and WP haven't. There are a bunch of necessary features are missing from WP:
    1. There is no File Manager.
    1. IOS as far as am aware has no native file manager either (needs third party apps)

    2. Browsers don't download files straight into device, but to SkyDrive.
    2.Try the UC Browser this downloads to the phone, granted its not accessible but still it is store locally and not in the cloud.

    3. You can't close apps on task manager as like on iPhone and Android.
    3. IOS has no Task manager - you must hold the home button and hold the app to close but it is no task manager. Granted this simply more effective than pressing the back button a numerous times on WP.

    4. Media and Ringer volumes are same. So that there is 50% chance to miss your incoming calls.
    4. It strikes how many people don't yet realise you can set custom ringtones - see screenshots attached & Link http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...tones-wp8.html. Also you can change the tones for the other alerts its not like everyone is confined to the same single tone.. sheesh

    5. SD card is read only. No apps have full support to SD card.
    Similar to Android see video .

    6. No Notification Center as like iPhone and Android., and even there is no Notification indicator(Blink LED).
    Yes that is correct it should have been baked in, I agree - I'm not going to speculate on rumours.

    7. Large and major thing is the 'Other Storage' kills all phone storage. It takes about 1.5-2GB of Available 4.8GB., ON Nokia Lumia (520,620,720).
    GDR2 should address this issue but I'm not certain.

    8. We can't download Torrents on Mobile as like Android and Symbian. There are apps like wpTorrent, but the downloaded torrent file resides in apps' storage, and we can't transfer it to our PC. WTF!!!!!!
    Why are you downloading torrents on a device with limited storage in the first place???
    Haven't you given any thought what would happen if you invariably download a virus and end up affecting a PC when you plug in your phone?
    Sure your antivirus may pick it up but what if it does not? lol

    9. Another most frustrating thing is lack of Official Apps like Facebook, GMail, Gtalk, YouTube, Instagram, Google Maps, etc.
    Third Party apps, like Metrotube, mytube, instance, 6tagram, will often will be more polished then official Apps as that is their bread and butter. Also the Facebook app developed by MS themselves is constantly being updated. Sure it has some functions missing its because these companies need to allow API Access. However I do not see Google changing their stance any time soon or instagram, Facebook - that is a dark horse. It appears to me they are struggling to "stay neutral".

    However like the OP I couldn't care who is 1# but having used Windows Mobile 6.x, Android and IOS and Blackberry (prior to BB10 - the display models I used just crashed shockingly). To me simply WP is breath of fresh air and meets my needs, also the most under rated feature - Rooms is a boon It makes life so much easier.
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    08-11-2013 09:59 AM
  19. icstars989's Avatar
    Its really simple. Build out, and try and expand your product as much as you like, but if you don't have the basic features that your competitors have, that your customers want, you won't sell anything.

    It sounds like Joe Belfiore is just jaded in his assumption that all their current user base is somehow less of an immediate need than future customers who may or may not even want your product.

    I'm a WP fan, and use my 928 daily, but I am becoming more and more irritated by their lack of urgency to fix glaring flaws and add needed features. Heck, maybe they're ok with mediocrity, what do I know.
    08-11-2013 10:25 AM
  20. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    Its really simple. Build out, and try and expand your product as much as you like, but if you don't have the basic features that your competitors have, that your customers want, you won't sell anything.

    It sounds like Joe Belfiore is just jaded in his assumption that all their current user base is somehow less of an immediate need than future customers who may or may not even want your product.

    I'm a WP fan, and use my 928 daily, but I am becoming more and more irritated by their lack of urgency to fix glaring flaws and add needed features. Heck, maybe they're ok with mediocrity, what do I know.
    Average Joe has more than what he expects from a smartphone. So average Joe will buy it at right price eg Nokia buyback success in India. MSFT has deep pockets, they can afford to go slow and in right direction.
    08-11-2013 01:13 PM
  21. TechFreak1's Avatar
    People also tend to forget that, the features they are used to on android and ios also came down the pipeline in updates.
    08-11-2013 01:23 PM
  22. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    People also tend to forget that, the features they are used to on android and ios also came down the pipeline in updates.
    How's that an excuse :) So you don't implement separate volume controls in 2013 justifying it with "hey, we just started, you can't expect common sense right away, wait 2 more years.."
    08-11-2013 01:34 PM
  23. iamtim's Avatar
    Aren't you a proper fanboy.
    No, I'm not. But "fanboy" is the insult of choice for those who have nothing of substance to add but want to rage-gasm over a dissenting opinion. So I'm not surprised you played the "fanboy" card.

    People are expressing very valid flaws of the system
    Which is totally fine. However, there's a difference between "I really want orientation lock" (for instance) and "it's necessary for Windows Phone to have orientation lock". The former is an opinion based in personal preference, the latter is a presumptuous assumption of the usage patterns of all users. If you can't accept that many people couldn't care less about orientation lock (or multiple volume profiles, or a whole host of other things) - which makes it entirely NOT a necessity for the platform - then you are as closed-minded as the fanboy you accuse me of being.

    All I'm saying is that there's a HUGE difference between "I want this feature" and "this feature is a requirement for the platform."
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    08-11-2013 01:41 PM
  24. Boris Lozac's Avatar
    You do realise the difference beatween a minor request and a goddamn idiotism that when you lower some ultra loud YT video, that you then have to (if you don't forget) increase the ringtone volume later on, some videos I watch are very loud, even on 2, 3 volume i can hear it pretty well, but 2, 3 is useless for a ringtone..
    08-11-2013 01:47 PM
  25. icstars989's Avatar
    It won't take long for average Joe to be annoyed by a constant rotating screen, or volume profiles, even not having custom SMS tones. My bet is it would take them less than the 14 days they have to return it.

    I love WP, and it works well enough for me, but it is starting to wear thin. I am aware of how bare iOS and Android were at one time too, I used them both for awhile. Difference is though this isn't 2009 anymore, the smartphone has matured and I doubt either one would overlook what they lack just to try and grow in numbers. They have 2 years to get it right before contracts are up and people wash the sour taste of wp8 out.

    I do agree with iamtim on most of his thoughts though.
    08-11-2013 03:14 PM
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