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  1. hopmedic's Avatar
    At this point, lack of apps is just an excuse. There are over 155,000 apps in the store, and you CAN find what you need there. You don't NEED the brand name - 6Tag and Instance both work great for Instagram, blah blah blah. Those who say there aren't enough apps are just using it as an excuse.
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    10-01-2013 09:48 AM
  2. spaulagain's Avatar
    At this point, lack of apps is just an excuse. There are over 155,000 apps in the store, and you CAN find what you need there. You don't NEED the brand name - 6Tag and Instance both work great for Instagram, blah blah blah. Those who say there aren't enough apps are just using it as an excuse.
    Exactly. The only apps I'm missing are Square and Mint. Cube is a great substitute for Square, so I don't care about Square anymore. And Mint is supposed to release their apps in a few months according to Microsoft.

    Also, I find it amazing how people act as if they can't live without this or that app. How were they getting by 4 years ago when none of these apps existed. Windows Phone is such an amazing OS for what it actually is, a smartphone (phone calls, texting, email, calendar, etc.).
    10-01-2013 10:34 AM
  3. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    At this point, lack of apps is just an excuse. There are over 155,000 apps in the store, and you CAN find what you need there. You don't NEED the brand name - 6Tag and Instance both work great for Instagram, blah blah blah. Those who say there aren't enough apps are just using it as an excuse.
    That's not entirely true, in my opinion. One app I am still missing is Trillian (an IM client, in case you don't know). For a while, I used IM+ as a competent substitute, but it no longer functions as one. When I had Trillian on my Android device, my conversations were linked between my PC and my phone. That, and the application simply worked better than IM+, which used to crash a lot (thankfully fixed), but has issues clearing notifications with the live tile (not a big issue, just an bothersome cosmetic one on my home screen). It's just an overall downgrade from Trillian, though I've somewhat managed without it.

    However, I will say that games are where the compromise is harder to buy into. While there are clones of games galore on the platform, there are still many major titles missing from the Windows Phone Store. While that might not matter to some, there are others who want something like Candy Crush for the Facebook integration and sharing of scores between friends. Some other games would be Temple Run 2 and Subway Surfers, though they are a bit older (and, therefore, not likely to be complained about as much). Additionally, words With Friends still lacks a decent app. I certainly don't have any major gaps in my app usage, but I would imagine that quite a few folks would find some issues.
    10-01-2013 10:52 AM
  4. hopmedic's Avatar
    Trillian is still around? I guess it's been years since I walked away from chat on my PC that I never thought about it on phone. Still, there are alternatives. And there's no shortage of games. So they're not the same games.... I said, "...NEED..."
    10-01-2013 10:58 AM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    At this point, lack of apps is just an excuse. There are over 155,000 apps in the store, and you CAN find what you need there. You don't NEED the brand name - 6Tag and Instance both work great for Instagram, blah blah blah. Those who say there aren't enough apps are just using it as an excuse.
    I don't agree with that. Lack of WP apps, or lack of quality in apps that do exist, is real. Use Facebook as an example. Facebook has hundreds of millions of users, and I'd imagine that most smartphones have the Facebook app installed. Sure, there are a number of Facebook apps for WP, but none are 1st party. And they are not good! Not even Microsoft's.

    I've found that equivalent apps, even 1st party, are generally poorer quality on WP than on iOS or Android.

    Take your WP and edit a .xls or .doc document. Create a new email and attach a couple documents. Make your phone automatically turn on WiFi when you get home, and turn it off when you leave. Install the Opera browser. Smoked by Windows Phone? Sure, for preplanned processes that you know exactly what to do and practiced so you can do it quickly.

    Also, I find it amazing how people act as if they can't live without this or that app. How were they getting by 4 years ago when none of these apps existed. Windows Phone is such an amazing OS for what it actually is, a smartphone (phone calls, texting, email, calendar, etc.).
    Ha ha of course we got by 4 years ago, because they didn't exist. How about you go back to a dumbphone? Your parents managed fine without any cell phone at all, didn't they? Why should someone have to live without something when it's readily available?
    10-01-2013 12:10 PM
  6. JoeDizzle33's Avatar
    Its funny when people "use the lack of apps" because when both android and iPhone came out they lacked apps as well. Once both OSs took off the apps started pouring in. Windows phone is in a chicken or egg situation. Which came first the users or the apps? In order for WP8 to get apps they need users, in order to get users they need apps. It has taken both android and iOS many years to get to as many apps as they have now. WP as the OS stands now is only a few years old. I picked WP because I like the OS, it is different and imo more usable. Once the market share picks up the apps will come and they will balance out. If you like the OS then stick with it and be patient, the apps will come. If everybody jumps ship just because the newest greatest app hasn't made it to WP yet then the OS will never get anywhere.
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    10-01-2013 12:55 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    Its funny when people "use the lack of apps" because when both android and iPhone came out they lacked apps as well. Once both OSs took off the apps started pouring in. Windows phone is in a chicken or egg situation. Which came first the users or the apps? In order for WP8 to get apps they need users, in order to get users they need apps. It has taken both android and iOS many years to get to as many apps as they have now. WP as the OS stands now is only a few years old. I picked WP because I like the OS, it is different and imo more usable. Once the market share picks up the apps will come and they will balance out. If you like the OS then stick with it and be patient, the apps will come. If everybody jumps ship just because the newest greatest app hasn't made it to WP yet then the OS will never get anywhere.
    The difference with iOS & Android is that they didn't have competition at the time. There was no alternative that had a more rounded out ecosystem. The same is not true for WP. It has fierce competition. I agree that we need to stick with the ecosystem to make it go anywhere. I carry a WP, but at this point I can't use it as my only phone, or my daily driver. I love the OS, but there's too much missing for me at this point.

    In the last 6 months I've bought 6 WPs, 1 iPhone, and no Androids!
    10-01-2013 01:17 PM
  8. emagius's Avatar
    Its funny when people "use the lack of apps" because when both android and iPhone came out they lacked apps as well. Once both OSs took off the apps started pouring in. Windows phone is in a chicken or egg situation. Which came first the users or the apps? In order for WP8 to get apps they need users, in order to get users they need apps. It has taken both android and iOS many years to get to as many apps as they have now. WP as the OS stands now is only a few years old. I picked WP because I like the OS, it is different and imo more usable. Once the market share picks up the apps will come and they will balance out. If you like the OS then stick with it and be patient, the apps will come. If everybody jumps ship just because the newest greatest app hasn't made it to WP yet then the OS will never get anywhere.
    As a consumer, I don't have an obligation to suffer in order to make some future Windows Phone better. Neither do you.

    Consumers can and should choose the best product on the market for their particular needs.

    Right now, if someone wants a smartphone with decent app (or music/video/podcast/browser/multitasking) support, Windows Phone is not a contender. Too bad for Microsoft and WP.
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    10-01-2013 03:29 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    As a consumer, I don't have an obligation to suffer in order to make some future Windows Phone better. Neither do you.

    Consumers can and should choose the best product on the market for their particular needs.

    Right now, if someone wants a smartphone with decent app (or music/video/podcast/browser/multitasking) support, Windows Phone is not a contender. Too bad for Microsoft and WP.
    Thanks, my thoughts exactly, but with more eloquence! To some people the advantages of WP outweigh the shortcomings and they don't feel they are "suffering." To me, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
    10-01-2013 03:57 PM
  10. neo158's Avatar
    Thanks, my thoughts exactly, but with more eloquence! To some people the advantages of WP outweigh the shortcomings and they don't feel they are "suffering." To me, the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
    Then my question is why are you still using Windows Phone if "the disadvantages outweigh the advantages" to you?
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    10-01-2013 05:05 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    Then my question is why are you still using Windows Phone if "the disadvantages outweigh the advantages" to you?
    My primary phone is a Nexus 4, but I carry 2 phones so I have a WP as well. I can use both phones for what they do best.
    10-01-2013 05:14 PM
  12. Snapperlicious's Avatar
    As a consumer, I don't have an obligation to suffer in order to make some future Windows Phone better. Neither do you.
    I guess this depends on what your definition of suffer is. Having to use an iOS device would make me suffer regardless of what apps I can get. I have never used an Android device outside of a store, so I won't comment there. I had two iPhones before I bought my first Windows Phone. I couldn't be happier, but I am also not a big app ***** either. Even then, there are a select few apps I can get on my Windows Phone that do not exist for the iPhone as far as I know. The iPhone doesn't have anything similar to Nokia Conference as far as I know. I also love apps like CycloMeter. There is no Strava app for Windows Phone, but CycloMeter is way better than the Strava 1st party app that I used on the iPhone. It uses the Nokia offline maps which saves on battery, and has quite a few features that Strava doesn't have. I could keep going, but you get the point. On the flip side there are only two apps I can't get, and they are both niche apps that I can easily live without. One of the two will be available sometime next year.

    My wife just recently got a new iPhone, and I hear her make comments and grumble about things that are not an issue with my Windows Phone. At least for me, the quality of the OS is playing a far larger role in my happiness than those couple apps that I can't use. So once again, suffer is a relative term.
    10-01-2013 05:53 PM
  13. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    Trillian is still around? I guess it's been years since I walked away from chat on my PC that I never thought about it on phone. Still, there are alternatives. And there's no shortage of games. So they're not the same games.... I said, "...NEED..."
    Ok, if you want to play the "need" game, then nothing about a smartphone is "needed." Smartphones are primarily luxury devices, and the things people might argue are "needed" from them are available on flip phones (calling, texting, and minimal Internet usage).
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    10-01-2013 07:59 PM
  14. baylorbear134's Avatar
    Decided on the 5S and ordered it today. I'll post my thoughts on the switch after using it for a few days. Went to the AT&T store today to mess around with the phones. I compared the 5S screen size up next to my 920 and the huge difference almost scared me out of doing it though, haha.
    10-01-2013 09:10 PM
  15. chezm's Avatar
    Cool curious to hear your opinions. I pick up and play around with my wife's iP5 all the time...theres pros and cons for both imo.
    10-01-2013 09:42 PM
  16. errole's Avatar
    Let us know about iphone
    10-01-2013 09:53 PM
  17. Murani Lewis's Avatar
    I don't suffer using my Windows Phone on a daily basis. In fact I really enjoy using it as a daily driver. My Android and iPhone using friends are often jealous of the things I do with my phone. When I need an app I find it 9/10 times in the store waiting for me. When I want a great game to play I can find it in the store. My photos and videos are automatically uploaded to SkyDrive and my pictures are available to me at all times.

    Pinning individual sections of apps is an amazing feature and continues to amaze everyone that sees it. The more devs care to include these features into their apps the better the experience gets.
    10-01-2013 10:17 PM
  18. Snapperlicious's Avatar
    I don't suffer using my Windows Phone on a daily basis. In fact I really enjoy using it as a daily driver. My Android and iPhone using friends are often jealous of the things I do with my phone. When I need an app I find it 9/10 times in the store waiting for me. When I want a great game to play I can find it in the store. My photos and videos are automatically uploaded to SkyDrive and my pictures are available to me at all times.

    Pinning individual sections of apps is an amazing feature and continues to amaze everyone that sees it. The more devs care to include these features into their apps the better the experience gets.
    I have similar experiences. One of my friends who has been a long time iPhone user just got a 5s. I told him I got a Windows Phone and he asked for a review after I used it for a month. I think he said it thinking I would be regretting my decision. I gave him an honest assessment of how things are including some missing features. At the end he was second guessing his decision to get another iPhone. From my perspective, it really boils down to how much you care about apps. For many people the differences in the stores won't matter, but it's still significant enough for people that really love apps and want the largest selection possible or to not have to wait. For anyone that can get past that, the difference instantly tilts in favor of Windows phone. Even my friend who is a die hard Apple lover and develops for the platform will admit how good the Windows Phone OS is.

    I thoroughly expect the gap to widen as well. Apple seems to have lost their way slightly since Jobs left. IOS7 lacks the same kind of cohesion and consistency that previous versions had, and that would have never flew if Jobs were still around. Cook is so hell bent on trying to prove he can still innovate that he is forgetting some of the principals Jobs used to make Apple so successful up to this point. Take a look at the Weather app. It's simple and beautiful and has a good blend of color without being over the top. Then look at the notepad which is so stark and light that it almost makes a person sick looking at it. Oh wait...
    10-02-2013 09:06 AM
  19. hopmedic's Avatar
    I have similar experiences. One of my friends who has been a long time iPhone user just got a 5s. I told him I got a Windows Phone and he asked for a review after I used it for a month. I think he said it thinking I would be regretting my decision. I gave him an honest assessment of how things are including some missing features. At the end he was second guessing his decision to get another iPhone. From my perspective, it really boils down to how much you care about apps. <snip>
    From my perspective, it boils down to how much do you care about certain apps. No way will I ever use all 155,000+ apps that are available to me now.
    10-02-2013 10:40 AM
  20. chezm's Avatar

    I thoroughly expect the gap to widen as well. Apple seems to have lost their way slightly since Jobs left. .
    Thats what we all keep saying but Apple still retains a solid second spot. I think now that Apple has their dedicated fanbase they will always hold a strong spot in the mobile market. Tech websites love their gadgets, developers devote most of their mobile app resources to their platform and they hold a premium product line with strong ecosystem.

    I am in no way an Apple fan but can admit their strengths...and their a leader in marketing products. thats what sells.
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    10-02-2013 12:25 PM
  21. WeAreNotAlone's Avatar
    If you subscribe to Office 365, you can download office to an iphone.

    Basically all the apps from microsoft that are available for Windows Phone are now on iPhone.

    Bing is also available but is in dire needs of an update.
    Q: I am not interested in the iphone, but curious... You mention a subscription to Office 365..

    On a Nokia Lumia (521- yes I know- Bought it to evaluate WP8 on the cheap, use it as a backup- Haven't set it up yet)

    I see a OFFICE tile /icon and I've read you can create/edit office apps on the phone. Are there charges for using the app or selected parts of such?


    ..

    .
    10-02-2013 02:38 PM
  22. hopmedic's Avatar
    I see a OFFICE tile /icon and I've read you can create/edit office apps on the phone. Are there charges for using the app or selected parts of such?
    Nope
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    10-02-2013 02:41 PM
  23. WeAreNotAlone's Avatar
    Multi Qutoe isn't working for me :-(


    Re getting a 520/521, wait for new devices (1020?)

    That's not a terrible idea, really. However, it depends on app reliance. The 52x devices lack a front camera and 1 GB of RAM, so there are game limitations (if that matters to him). The small amount of storage would likely affect him after being on the platform for so long as well.
    52x devices do have expandable memory. So infact he can get more storage than his 920.
    I think what Keith is touching on in regards to memory is while the 520 /521 storage memory CAN be expanded via a Mirco-SD card, applications themselves have to be installed to INTERNAL memory, so the small amount of internal storage space would be a issue.

    .
    10-02-2013 02:51 PM
  24. MyNL822's Avatar
    Saying windows phone has a lot of apps is just a fanboy excuse. I know what other users will most likely say because I have used iOS, and lets just say the Facebook app is way better than our sorry piece of crap. I don't like the app selection it is so narrow, there is 2/30 games and apps I use regulary that I also can find on windows phone. Does that seem like a lot of apps? And big whoop 155,000 I'm pretty sure Android and iOS hit a million years ago. Please stop stating your bias opinion and look at the obvious, I can look at the appstores for iOS and WP right now and looking at top lists there are way more apps I want to download on my iPod than the crap on WP. Even Nokia believes there are too little apps. I need my apps!!!!
    10-02-2013 08:53 PM
  25. hopmedic's Avatar
    No one denies that iOS or Android have more apps. But to whine about it when you CAN find just about any app you need, is just to whine to hear yourself whine. BTW - a million years ago, there were no apps. On any platform. Windows Phone Store has grown at the same rate as the others. And for a while it even far outpaced the Android store's growth rate at the same age.
    10-03-2013 08:47 AM
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