01-13-2014 09:52 PM
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  1. tgp's Avatar
    This is one thing I find great about the Microsoft services, is that if I did ever switch platforms, even though I am heavily tied to their services, I won't have to start fresh, outside of repurchasing apps for the new platform.
    The others don't have to make them available on other platforms to make them viable. If Microsoft's services were only available on WP, 4% of smartphone users would be using them. Microsoft has no choice but to make their services available on competing platforms. That's also why you see high quality Microsoft apps on iOS & Android. That's where most of the users are. Ha, Microsoft themselves seem to take their iOS & Android apps more seriously than their WP apps.
    12-25-2013 08:08 AM
  2. SwimSwim's Avatar
    The others don't have to make them available on other platforms to make them viable. If Microsoft's services were only available on WP, 4% of smartphone users would be using them. Microsoft has no choice but to make their services available on competing platforms. That's also why you see high quality Microsoft apps on iOS & Android. That's where most of the users are. Ha, Microsoft themselves seem to take their iOS & Android apps more seriously than their WP apps.
    Whatever the reasons for it, it benefits the consumers all the same, and is a model all companies should be incorporating. Let the companies compete based on the quality of their products, not the chains they have on their users!
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    12-25-2013 07:00 PM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    Whatever the reasons for it, it benefits the consumers all the same, and is a model all companies should be incorporating. Let the companies compete based on the quality of their products, not the chains they have on their users!
    That's nice, but it's not realistic or practical. Yes, it would benefit consumers, but very few. Microsoft, Google, and Apple are in business to make a profit and to make their shareholders happy. If Google & Apple thought there was a dollar to be made by making their ecosystems available to WP users, they would do it. Microsoft is not doing it to be nice; they are doing it because it's profitable. These are for profit businesses, not charities. Do you really believe that Microsoft would be putting their services on Android if WP had 80% of the market share and Android had 4%?
    12-25-2013 07:27 PM
  4. JaiMento's Avatar
    That's nice, but it's not realistic or practical. Yes, it would benefit consumers, but very few. Microsoft, Google, and Apple are in business to make a profit and to make their shareholders happy. If Google & Apple thought there was a dollar to be made by making their ecosystems available to WP users, they would do it. Microsoft is not doing it to be nice; they are doing it because it's profitable. These are for profit businesses, not charities. Do you really believe that Microsoft would be putting their services on Android if WP had 80% of the market share and Android had 4%?
    Yes. But not to be charitable, but because they want people using their services, regardless of what platform they are on. I think they've always strived to make their software and services available on all platforms. I mean, look at MS Office. That is, and has been for quite some time, available on Apple computers and Windows has the majority of the market in regards to OS's and has for quite some time. They don't have to make Office available on Apple computers, but they do.

    Edit: Anyway, my original point stands. Regardless of the reason why they do it, it is nice to be able to use their services and not be locked into a platform.
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    12-25-2013 07:36 PM
  5. angusdegraosta's Avatar
    That is the beauty of the Lumia 920. My phone is almost full and none of the apps behave any differently then when it was brand new. There are other Lumia's out but none like the Lumia 920. What WP are you looking at when it comes time to retire it?
    The Lumia 920 is a tank, and yes it's just as swift as the day I got it. If it gets the big update in the spring, I'll be a happy camper. If not, I'm still sticking with tiles. Android and Google are both great, but Windows Phone, quirky as it is, is one heck of a solid OS... more apps and a wider user base are on the way in 2014 I'm sure.
    12-25-2013 07:50 PM
  6. SwimSwim's Avatar
    The Lumia 920 is a tank, and yes it's just as swift as the day I got it. If it gets the big update in the spring, I'll be a happy camper. If not, I'm still sticking with tiles. Android and Google are both great, but Windows Phone, quirky as it is, is one heck of a solid OS... more apps and a wider user base are on the way in 2014 I'm sure.
    I love some of quirks in Windows Phone! They're so silly, I just love 'em!!! So long as they don't impact performance, let them be, because I love that my phone is as quirky as I am.
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    12-25-2013 08:05 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    Yes. But not to be charitable, but because they want people using their services, regardless of what platform they are on. I think they've always strived to make their software and services available on all platforms. I mean, look at MS Office. That is, and has been for quite some time, available on Apple computers and Windows has the majority of the market in regards to OS's and has for quite some time. They don't have to make Office available on Apple computers, but they do.
    They make Office available on Apple computers because it's profitable, not because they want to be nice. If it wouldn't pay they wouldn't do it.

    Let's look at Windows Phone, Microsoft's own OS, as an example. Why is the Skype app on WP crap, but very good on iOS & Android? Why doesn't Microsoft develop a 1st party Remote Desktop app for WP like they did for iOS & Android?

    Edit: Anyway, my original point stands. Regardless of the reason why they do it, it is nice to be able to use their services and not be locked into a platform.
    Yes, I agree with you there. I use both WP & Android, and it's very nice to be able to access the same Microsoft services on both. I wish Google services were available on WP.
    12-25-2013 08:43 PM
  8. JaiMento's Avatar
    They make Office available on Apple computers because it's profitable, not because they want to be nice. If it wouldn't pay they wouldn't do it.
    That's exactly my point. Their goal is to get people to use their services, regardless of what platform they are using, because in the end, that is what is profitable for them. That was a reply to your question, "Do you really believe that Microsoft would be putting their services on Android if WP had 80% of the market share and Android had 4%?" My answer is yes. To get people using their services, regardless of what platform they are on, because that is profitable to them. The same way MS Office is still available for Apple computers, even though Windows probably has more than 80% of the market share.

    Edit: As for Skype and RDP and similar, I can only hope that MS is striving for a much more ambitious and integrated experience from things of that nature for Windows Phone, which could lead to much more development required to plan it out right. Probably not the case, but it's what I'd like to think they are doing.
    12-25-2013 09:08 PM
  9. dkediger's Avatar
    ..... If Google & Apple thought there was a dollar to be made by making their ecosystems available to WP users, they would do it. Microsoft is not doing it to be nice; they are doing it because it's profitable.
    How about $10s of thousands of dollars a year? My first work project of the new year is moving our mail system from Google Apps Business to Office 365/Exchange online.

    Why? Because Microsoft has a product that works pretty darn well cross platform. Google Apps - not so much. Their OSx integration is surprisingly pretty lousy, unless you want to work within the web interface, which is itself unspeakably atrocious.

    Profit for Microsoft? Sure. Lost profit for Google? Even more so. The annual costs will be about 30% more....profit Google could have had if they weren't so full of themselves.
    12-25-2013 09:46 PM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    That's exactly my point. Their goal is to get people to use their services, regardless of what platform they are using, because in the end, that is what is profitable for them.
    How about $10s of thousands of dollars a year? My first work project of the new year is moving our mail system from Google Apps Business to Office 365/Exchange online.

    Why? Because Microsoft has a product that works pretty darn well cross platform. Google Apps - not so much. Their OSx integration is surprisingly pretty lousy, unless you want to work within the web interface, which is itself unspeakably atrocious.

    Profit for Microsoft? Sure. Lost profit for Google? Even more so. The annual costs will be about 30% more....profit Google could have had if they weren't so full of themselves.
    So you're telling me that Google has no clue that they're losing profit by not providing a solid cross platform experience on WP? Quick, somebody tell them!
    12-25-2013 10:03 PM
  11. dkediger's Avatar
    Sergei? Eric? You're the one who stated if there was a dollar to be made, they would do it. No, they have other motives and means of monetizing their product
    12-25-2013 10:23 PM
  12. cckgz4's Avatar
    If you find practicality in using multiple devices with different OS, go for it. I can't find use in a second phone with myself owning a win 8 tablet. It'll never get used

    Android has definitely come a long way, but I can't use it. Nor ios.
    12-25-2013 10:25 PM
  13. hack14u's Avatar
    I too am like many of the posters, currently have 920, and HTC One. So tired of the damn HTC always nagging me to sign in to this, sign in to that, just because Google wants me to. After 2 weeks playing with the 920, the ONLY thing I am missing is a 100% reliable texting app since I don't pay for that service. I know either Skype or Viber will get it perfect one of these days so it's all good, but dropping the sim back in my One only reminds me of how smooth 8 is across my devices, and I quickly drop back to the 920. I can only imagine how awesome the 1020 or 1520 are.
    12-25-2013 11:11 PM
  14. hack14u's Avatar
    Oh ya, and to answer why MS is putting apps on Android, it's because they have always been cool like that, Google, not so much, I am so tired of the FTW attitude coming from them these days.
    12-25-2013 11:15 PM
  15. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Oh ya, and to answer why MS is putting apps on Android, it's because they have always been cool like that, Google, not so much, I am so tired of the FTW attitude coming from them these days.
    I agree, Google just seems to be a company that can do no wrong in the public eye. I exaggerate by a lot of course. After all, the web is still slams after the YouTube comment revamp.

    Nonetheless, I just love how everyone flips out at NSA spying, yet Google openly does it and no one gives a rat's ***. I despise it on both accounts, however, I'm aware Google needs to make money some how.

    Google can leave the data harvesting on by default, but they should make it clearer to users what they're doing and make it very accessible to opt out.
    12-27-2013 10:55 PM
  16. Luiskp's Avatar
    Hi all you guys!

    Since 2012, i was using WP8, first with my Lumia 820. After a laundry accident, I damaged my phone, and used a Xperia P for a couple months ( I missed WP8 and Lumia Camera Quality at that instance).

    Then i buyed a Lumia 822, and used for couple months also... then LTE came to my country so i Bought a HTC 8X (great Cam, regular battery) - Was a Bargain (I missed Nokia at that moment)...

    But the time I was planning to buy the 8X, was getting tempted by Moto X or something similar, but my hearth kept pushing for WP.

    Today, after sharing a week with my brother, he bought a Note 3 (Great phone), i pulled the trigger waiting in my mind, and decided to buy a Moto X 16 GB.

    I love WP, but for now I got the Chromecast, all my family has Android, and buyed an excellent phone by reviews (not received yet).
    01-07-2014 03:40 PM
  17. nautanki_saala's Avatar
    got lumia black on my 820 in india.. ppl who have downloaded gdr3 preview r getting d update (only 820 n 920).. its only nokia update n nothing from ms.. so i guess d preview is now d final version of gdr3
    01-13-2014 09:52 PM
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