04-21-2014 01:31 PM
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  1. johnepedersen's Avatar
    I have a htc 8x, where my capasitive buttons stopped working. so when I needed a replacement phone I decided to get something really cheap before I decided what direction to take for the next few years. Since no store in town had the Lumia 520, I had to go with a samsung galaxy young for now. of course a cheap android won't take me anywhere, but it have given me some inside to what's happened with the platform since I last used it with android 2.x and briefly 3.x on a samsung tablet I sold quicker that you can say 'cheese'. I've had multiple WP for good or bad the last few years.

    Here are some reasons why I am considering a top spec android, like maybe the sony z2.
    1) restrictions on the os for background tasks on WP. Yes I get it, androids suck battery and lags, partly because all the apps are basically allowed to do what they want. But the result is that it feel more connected. when my friends does something on facebook, my android lets me know. And I know I can connect messaging to facebook, and have different facebook apps (official) + the m.facebook.com but somehow the tile-counters, the notifications / toasts, everything seem to be "behind". where as the android notification often comes in before i can see it on my pc browser. Nokia once marketed themselves as "Nokia - connecting people", but now I feel they are "Nokia - making you wait 30 minutes because of restrictions in the OS"

    2) restrictions on the os for other tasks. When WP was launched I though developers will eventually flock to it. but I don't think they have done that. because they are not able to do the things they want here. sure, the api's are great and easy to work with. but that is not going to help if developers can't do what they want. example this interview about VLC for windows Microsoft News | Interview: VideoLAN President Jean-Baptiste Kempf Talks to Us about the Win8 VLC App see question no4. This is WinRT for windows 8, but the same thing goes for WP I think. I once saw a video on youtube comparing speeds to develop a simple text+button=hello <name> app on iOs, android and WP. WP won by a landslide. the tools are there with visual studio, the coders with great knowledge are there, just let them create and innovate as you always say in those presentations.

    3) google chrome! this is actually a huge point for me. after I got my galaxy young I thought, let me change from FF to chrome for a while and see how I like it. and the sync of browser-history, visited pages, open tabs on other units etc is just amazing compared to FF not to mention IE. Microsoft, you have the OneDrive cloud just sitting there, use it to make our webexperience better...!!!

    4) The app-gap. Yes, I know that all the major apps are on WP. But that is not the issue. The issue is the NEXT big thing. Because we know it will launch on iOs and android first, and then users from this forum will have to approach the developer with "Hey, give WP some love too". If I am on android, I won't have to worry about that at all (unless the next big thing is iOs only first).
    4.1) A bus-ticket app in my hometown is not on WP, and those who purchase tickets with that app instead of cash receive a 40% discount on the ticket. I doubt Rudy Huyn will reverse engineer that app and create one for WP. It's not excatly Los Angeles or New York...

    5) If I am to buy a new phone now, if I opt for WP I will have to wait for BUILD to see new announcements. then wait 2-(X) months before that phone is released into the wild here in Norway. Why can't MS/Nokia have launches like Apple...? I remember Steve Jobs saying "This iPhone will be in stores in the next 2 weeks". Also remember the first surface-launch and that the first surface pro was available in norway about 9+? months later. They did better with the surface 2 though.

    6) Some of the selling points for WP are STILL not available in Norway. Bing-stuff like local scout. I can see bing data on my pc, so I know they have it. My nearby restaurants and such. But you wont let me use that feature? Why? Maybe an announcement at BUILD that bing-features will open up to new markets? That would be.... ABOUT TIME!

    7) better second hand value if treated well.

    Now for some of the reasons I want to stay on WP:
    1) the ability to buy a phone whose camera knocks everything out of the park. Lumia 1020 or some successor.

    2) offline maps. now most of the time I know where I am. The times I don't I am usually abroad. And that is when I don't want to have roaming enabled. The offline maps on WP are AWESOME.

    3) I love the people-hub. Since I am all-in with MS as a serviceprovider, it's not very elegant to save new contacts on my galaxy young. I am not able to choose outlook as an account there. maybe I can on other androids, but I want my contacts on my hotmail.

    4) the snapchat app on WP (6snap) is so much better than on my galaxy young. and I suspect that is still the case if you compare with a android-phone with a decent screen.

    5) the personalization of the start-screen. not perfect, but I see great rumors for WP 8.1.

    6) beautiful and fluid os, with virtually no lag.

    7) OneDrive, Office etc etc etc.

    what do you think? I don't see my android point 1,2,3,4 and 7 changing any time soon. I am hesitent to buy a Lumia 1020 because I read that the camera is slow (SUPER GREAT and still the very very best on the market, but slow). well, since //build is before the Sony z2 is released I get the chance to see what MS think first... :)

    //John
    Arka1412 likes this.
    03-23-2014 05:10 AM
  2. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    your concerns are valid but google's services other than its search engine honestly suck imo
    not being blunt but onedrive , hotmail/outlook , skype , here maps/drive , skype and even wp's internet explorer perform much better than their google counterparts
    i have devices from each company/os and there are very few things which would make me consider android as my main phone again,the next best thing to my lumia would maybe be a bb10(only os whose device i dont own personally yet,future yes)
    but i guess everyone has their own preferences and stuff plus there is always the regional service differences (such as netflix not working outside US natively etc)
    personally all my friends have android phones and now even loads of iphone 5s's but they all have separate issues
    i would suggest u go in for a 1520 its the most balanced phone out there imo or wait for the next lineup with 8.1 preinstalled
    hope i helped :)
    03-23-2014 07:06 AM
  3. johnepedersen's Avatar
    I believe 1520 is too big. I also once believed a 50 inch flatscreen was too big :p
    So that means waiting to see whats lined up for 8.1 preinstalled. Yes, MS services are better than googles, imo except chrome and search. I know bing search is better in the US, but I always feel google gives me better results here. Maybe it's cause they know so damn much about me. But I can still use MS services on an android an be almost-all-in with MS. Btw, Netflix was launched last year here in Norway and work great, both on my Win 8/RT and WP.
    But fundamentally, I want google to know as little about me as possible. I think this little excerp have gotten too little attention. This is what google really think about privacy...

    from 27:25 question about healthcare
    29:00 "why are people so focused on keeping your medical history private?
    and the answer is probarbly insurance.."
    03-23-2014 07:20 AM
  4. Jaskys's Avatar
    Because you're high on drugs?
    Loco5150 likes this.
    03-23-2014 07:26 AM
  5. johnepedersen's Avatar
    if I take drugs, will I be higher than 180cm?
    03-23-2014 10:31 AM
  6. prasath1234's Avatar
    Honestly android has come a long way ever since jelly bean.if you are not worried about so called privacy. Then u can buy gr8 flagship like Xperia z2. Here most of the people want to use phone for just calling.,message,or occasional apps.but android gives u all flexibility with trade Off privacy.but u can enjoy the greatest nd latest apps.u have any problem with your phone.u can root nd get help from dad developers.

    Sent from my C2305 using WPCentral Forums mobile app
    03-23-2014 10:45 AM
  7. Saksham Sharma's Avatar
    1) notification center is coming :) so it'll let you know nicely. :) and besides, for special tasks, background tasks are gonna be allowed every minute or so. See the leaks, you're going to be elated ! :)
    2) man the restrictions are for YOUR sake !!! Do you want apps to be hacking your phone, and do you want a company whose reliability is a big as a rat ?
    3) did you see the ie11 on windows phone 8.1 leak video published under the name 'yash maheshwari' on youtube ? See it, ie11 is going to have tab sync with win8.1
    4) app gap, well... Its improving though :) and i for one have no problem with it. The good things outweigh it.
    4.1) sorry, there's no way for that :) though you can make one if you want, or if you have a developer friend :)
    5) you can hope for better luck :-P
    03-23-2014 10:45 AM
  8. birgs's Avatar
    waiting for windows phone 8.1 before OEMs seriously make great hardware for windows phone .
    03-23-2014 11:13 AM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Can you bear to live with that Galaxy for another 2-3 months? See what 8.1 REALLY brings other than rumours and conjecture.
    Himanshu Chowdhary likes this.
    03-23-2014 01:35 PM
  10. Ian Too's Avatar
    But fundamentally, I want google to know as little about me as possible.
    Looking at the clip you suggested, I'm really puzzled why you're unsure.

    I would go back to Windows Mobile rather than tolerate an Android device, but then again I always followed function over fashion and it took Nokia to give me something chic.
    03-23-2014 02:32 PM
  11. trivor's Avatar
    I would take a very hard look at the LG G2 - great camera, great battery life, FAST (Snapdragon 800) and gorgeous 1080p screen in nice chassis with thin bezels.
    03-23-2014 06:57 PM
  12. trivor's Avatar
    your concerns are valid but google's services other than its search engine honestly suck imo
    not being blunt but onedrive , hotmail/outlook , skype , here maps/drive , skype and even wp's internet explorer perform much better than their google counterparts
    i have devices from each company/os and there are very few things which would make me consider android as my main phone again,the next best thing to my lumia would maybe be a bb10(only os whose device i dont own personally yet,future yes)
    but i guess everyone has their own preferences and stuff plus there is always the regional service differences (such as netflix not working outside US natively etc)
    personally all my friends have android phones and now even loads of iphone 5s's but they all have separate issues
    i would suggest u go in for a 1520 its the most balanced phone out there imo or wait for the next lineup with 8.1 preinstalled
    hope i helped :)
    Actually, MS support on Android is excellent - Onedrive, Outlook, Bing, Skype are all as well or Better supported on Android as they are on Windows Phone. Having owned both Android and Windows Phone the MS apps are often better on Android than they are on Windows Phone (Skype especially). MS/Nokia take way too long updating their OS and hardware - look at the Icon coming out on only one carrier with top line specs and don't tell me specs don't matter when it comes to photo processing or app switching.
    03-23-2014 07:01 PM
  13. birgs's Avatar
    Its good to support all we are all humans, it will help Microsoft services become popular .
    03-24-2014 12:03 AM
  14. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    I have a G2 and I can tell you the 1520 is faster but I do miss the smart stay/smart pause and the remote, but I love my 1520 and will see what 8.1 brings, but if u must go android get the G pro 2.
    03-24-2014 12:13 AM
  15. johnepedersen's Avatar
    1) notification center is coming :) so it'll let you know nicely. :) and besides, for special tasks, background tasks are gonna be allowed every minute or so. See the leaks, you're going to be elated ! :)
    2) man the restrictions are for YOUR sake !!! Do you want apps to be hacking your phone, and do you want a company whose reliability is a big as a rat ?
    3) did you see the ie11 on windows phone 8.1 leak video published under the name 'yash maheshwari' on youtube ? See it, ie11 is going to have tab sync with win8.1
    4) app gap, well... Its improving though :) and i for one have no problem with it. The good things outweigh it.
    4.1) sorry, there's no way for that :) though you can make one if you want, or if you have a developer friend :)
    5) you can hope for better luck :-P


    1) if background tasks can run more often it's a great step forward
    2) i'm fine with the restrictions, but it seems they stop developers to come to the platform. android is a more open platform, and see how popular it is with developers. come on MS, meet me in the middle here :)
    3) I will check it out :)
    4) I can live with the "app-gap" if at least my current apps feel more connected
    4.1) I'll let my girlfriend buy my tickets the few times I take the bus. Maybe I'll have to do a Rudy and reverse engineer the app.

    Can you bear to live with that Galaxy for another 2-3 months? See what 8.1 REALLY brings other than rumours and conjecture.
    Yes, I can live with it for a little while


    I would take a very hard look at the LG G2
    LG would be out of the question. My guess is it's Nokia or Sony (or maybe maybe Samsung)



    thanks for the input. I think my main concerns are the "Feel connected" and browser. if those improve I'll stay ;)
    03-24-2014 11:12 AM
  16. Saksham Sharma's Avatar
    WP forever ! :) (for me) i can never go to android now !
    Besides, it fun convincing people to switch over (eg my friends) and also to convince people to stay (like you john) ;-)
    Jazmac and Guytronic like this.
    03-24-2014 12:16 PM
  17. mstrblueskys's Avatar
    Hey, I'll weigh in as an Android user who LOVES everything else Microsoft.

    I'm stuck on Sprint, so my WP offerings are awful. I have an HTC One and I love it. One thing I have found is that Android, though more versatile than WP, it is much less efficient. When I had the 8XT, I hardly had to use my phone. Now I check it all the time. It's annoying to do, but I couldn't take the pretty terrible pics that the 8XT was giving me, and I actually love Google Maps (they can do offline too if you want).

    The one thing I wouldn't do would be to buy a phone right now. Samsung just announced the S5, HTC is going to announce the new HTC One, and Windows is about to do some incredible stuff. If I were you, I'd spend as little money as you can to get by for the next couple of weeks. Maybe get a nexus phone or figure out if there's any way to extend the life of the 8X for a bit longer and make the decision then. It seems like there's just not enough info out to really decide. I know I'm going to get a new phone in April, but I have no clue what I'm going to do.

    Also, you can pick up LG G2s and HTC Ones relatively cheap right now - maybe give that a shot if you can't deal with your phone.
    03-24-2014 12:34 PM
  18. radmanvr's Avatar
    You're turning your back on your own people for Samsung. How disappointing I would never turn my back on Xbox for Sony PS4.
    Same with my Ford F-150, I see people rolling KIAs and Hyundais
    Guytronic likes this.
    03-24-2014 12:41 PM
  19. Jazmac's Avatar
    I would tell you good luck with your device, whatever you choose John e. You gave it a shot and WP isn't something you are ready to commit to. Go and be happy man because at the end of the day, its all about what your friends think.
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    03-24-2014 12:41 PM
  20. cckgz4's Avatar
    Go with whatever your pockets tell you.
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    03-24-2014 01:17 PM
  21. Saksham Sharma's Avatar
    I would tell you good luck with your device, whatever you choose John e. You gave it a shot and WP isn't something you are ready to commit to. Go and be happy man because at the end of the day, its all about what your friends think.
    No that's not the point, do what you heart says. Not your friends, its your life, dont let others' unknowleageable opinions set your stance. We all here have some knowledge about wp, we try our best to help you find some solutions, but if someone who hasn't touched wp says "wp is useless because it doesn't have apps" thinking that it still doesn't have vine or instagram, then please dont think about their opinions. See if you really cant live without the good things of wp, if that's true, stay :) if the bad things weigh too heavy, its your own free will :)
    Good luck ! :)
    03-24-2014 02:08 PM
  22. radmanvr's Avatar
    I disagree some people care about what their friends thin, that is important to the so people should not look down on them if they do choose this.
    03-24-2014 02:30 PM
  23. Jazmac's Avatar
    No that's not the point, do what you heart says. Not your friends, its your life, dont let others' unknowleageable opinions set your stance. We all here have some knowledge about wp, we try our best to help you find some solutions, but if someone who hasn't touched wp says "wp is useless because it doesn't have apps" thinking that it still doesn't have vine or instagram, then please dont think about their opinions. See if you really cant live without the good things of wp, if that's true, stay :) if the bad things weigh too heavy, its your own free will :)
    Good luck ! :)
    Give it a minute to sink in. Then comment. :)
    03-24-2014 02:35 PM
  24. Saksham Sharma's Avatar
    I disagree some people care about what their friends thin, that is important to the so people should not look down on them if they do choose this.
    i understand that too, but its better to be yourself :) and anyway, one can always dispel some ignorance by clearing misconceptions of friends ;-) i am the only one among my friends using windows phone, and I'm the happiest of the lot :-P they're jealous of my phone's speed ;-)
    Anyway john, its your choice, give it a nice thought the coming weekend ;)
    Karthik Naik likes this.
    03-24-2014 02:41 PM
  25. Jazmac's Avatar
    I give up. lol.
    03-24-2014 03:03 PM
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