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  1. gerzhwin's Avatar
    I always show people how City Lens works, that music search and code scanner are natively integrated, and that I can arrange (up to 256) apps on the start screen, with the ability to highlight them using different tile sizes or header/group tiles, so that I am able to have all most used/important apps visible in just one or two vertical flicks. After stat I start pinning content to the start screen (contacts, music, documents, feeds, routes, notes ...) or take a photo without unlocking my phone.

    That's basically what makes the difference and makes people stop talking wrong about WP.
    Sent from my Windows Phone 8X by HTC using Board Express
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    04-12-2014 09:28 AM
  2. gerzhwin's Avatar
    Another one: When they're searching for something, just scan the text via Search button, highlight the words, tap search, and show them this handy out-of-the box feature.
    Sent from my Windows Phone 8X by HTC using Board Express
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    04-12-2014 09:40 AM
  3. SwimSwim's Avatar
    I know how you feel, I'm in your exact same boat. I mostly ignore such things, phones just aren't worth alienating friends over.

    Now, that doesn't mean I don't sometimes use my tech-geek prowess to obliterate those who dare challenge me in terms of tech knowledge (I'm in highschool, and most my peers are very, very novice in terms of understanding technology). But still, as annoying as they can be, just Keep Calm and Metro-On. Again, a preference for a phone isn't worth killing a friendship for.

    But if they do get too dickish, may I suggest the following points?
    1) Point out its gorgeous Metro interface that clearly was innovative enough for Apple to copy
    2) (if using iPhone) Point out iOS 7 is nice, but still ancient, stale and boring. Seriously, it's a grandma's phone.
    3) (if using Android) Say your a virtuous fellow, and would rather not associate yourself with a RAM *****. Sure, it's got a couple tricks and favors it can do you, and some really impressive specs that sound incredible on paper (That big, eh?), but at the end of the night: You just end up with some sort of virus.

    (Number 3 is my personal favorite. Android is the Windows Vista of the mobile world, so it's easy to pick on, heheheh).
    04-12-2014 10:01 AM
  4. diaper84's Avatar
    Honest opinion,
    I'm using nexus 5, nexus 7 and lumia 925 at the moment.

    It really is not. Whatever advantage it has comes from Nokia not microsoft.
    04-12-2014 10:13 AM
  5. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Sit the 1520 next to a Note 3.or G4...let those that say this phone isn't a better looking...better sounding...better performing...with less effort is blind deaf and plainly dumb..

    While the 1020 draws folks to it for the camera naturally...this one draws folks to the screen...and once they pick it up..and see what we've seen..they either get pissed off..or start smiling...
    I've seen this first hand several times...

    I know why some smile..but..I can only guess those that have gotten po'd because they know they should've spent their upgrades on one,or are po'd cause they believed all the crap that has been said.and now they know better...

    Mac

    Sent from my Nokia 1520
    04-12-2014 10:33 AM
  6. wuiyang's Avatar
    the time is the problem, see the following table
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartph...ns_of_units.29
    Years android blackberry apple symbian windows phone/mobile
    2007 11.77 3.3 77.68 14.7
    2008 23.15 11.42 77.68 14.7
    2009 6.8 34.35 24.89 80.88 15.03
    2010 67.22 47.45 46.6 111.58 12.38
    2011 219.52 51.54 89.26 93.41 8.77
    2012 453.07 33.64 126.22 26.27 18.41
    2013(Q1 + Q2 only) 340 12.5 69.3 0.631 14.4

    other os started to growing up at 2011, except symbian and windows mobile/phone
    but if you look at blackberry at 2012, it dropped, android was the fastest growth like bitcoin in 2013, you just need to wait, bitcoin took ~5years to become a big hit
    just wait for a year to 2 years, windows phone will rise up, and rule them all, and android will become the next blackberry and symbian
    Last edited by wuiyang; 04-13-2014 at 03:33 AM.
    04-12-2014 11:01 AM
  7. Markham Ranja's Avatar
    Listen Up! Did i mentioned your name in my post?? Did i replied to your post?? NO!
    So Shut the **** up!
    Perhaps you didn't read my post well enough!
    I told that the persons who say they don't like WP because of Apps and Basic Features those are fools..! NOT YOU SPECIFICALLY!!
    Mind That!
    You do realise this is a *public forum*? The entire point of this site is to discuss issues - nowhere does it say that I may reply to a user only if they reply to me specifically. And with the general tone of your post, thanks for proving yourself a fool once again.

    Second, I read your post, thanks. I understand it perfectly. Perhaps your comprehension is lacking, as evidenced by your misuse of "mentioned" and "replied" (that's the third time now).

    And finally, you asserted that everyone who dislikes WP because it lacks specific apps and features are fools. I countered by pointing out that people's needs differ from yours and provided an example of why WP cannot fulfil my needs. You then proceeded to go full retard.

    Never go full retard.

    I also note that your entire point - that someone who misses particular features/apps is a fool - is in itself stupid. So I'm a fool if I say I don't like WP because it can't do the things I need (much less the things I want)? Once again, there's only one fool here and it's not me.
    04-12-2014 11:53 AM
  8. Woknox's Avatar
    Never go full retard..
    Oh I love that Topic Thunder movie so much...
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    04-12-2014 12:48 PM
  9. Ashalinia's Avatar
    You do realise this is a *public forum*? The entire point of this site is to discuss issues - nowhere does it say that I may reply to a user only if they reply to me specifically. And with the general tone of your post, thanks for proving yourself a fool once again.

    Second, I read your post, thanks. I understand it perfectly. Perhaps your comprehension is lacking, as evidenced by your misuse of "mentioned" and "replied" (that's the third time now).

    And finally, you asserted that everyone who dislikes WP because it lacks specific apps and features are fools. I countered by pointing out that people's needs differ from yours and provided an example of why WP cannot fulfil my needs. You then proceeded to go full retard.

    Never go full retard.

    I also note that your entire point - that someone who misses particular features/apps is a fool - is in itself stupid. So I'm a fool if I say I don't like WP because it can't do the things I need (much less the things I want)? Once again, there's only one fool here and it's not me.
    Both of you need to let it go and stop fighting.
    04-12-2014 12:58 PM
  10. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    [WARN]Making things personal on this thread or any threads on WPCentral will not be something any of us will like to see. If you disagree with anything being written publicly, try and express that in as much of a civilized way as possible without making it personal. No one really behind their PCs care about how you feel about them. They care about discussing something that matters to them, just like you. If this thread has to be a useful discussion, let us make sure we are all talking about the topic and not busy insulting one another?[/WARN]
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    04-12-2014 01:04 PM
  11. Zeem Frostmaw's Avatar
    How to convince them that WP is superior? You don't, put simply.

    If you're buying a phone because you want to be 'the best', you're doing it wrong. There's something for everyone, and there doesn't need to be a universal winner.
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    04-12-2014 02:55 PM
  12. Talderon's Avatar
    Time to play... :D

    Honestly, I have NEVER tried to convince someone that WP is superior than any other platform. It's really pointless. The BEST way is to show the features that they are interested in and use AND to also admit the platforms shortcomings. Also, show them things that they didn't ask about but you think are cool.

    Your willingness to admit that it's not for everyone, but there are merits to the platform for other reasons that can't be matched by current platforms will either win them over or get them to thinking.

    I work at Microsoft. I love our products and services, but I don't use them all. They don't all fit into my way of life. There are TONS of employees that use Windows Phone, Android and iPhone. There are MAC's here as well as iPads and Surface tablets. We don't make fun of the people that use them or try to make them switch, we accept that for some reason, our platform may not meet all of their needs.

    Of course, we want everyone to use our products and services, but you just can't please everyone all of the time.

    My wife recently switched from Android to Windows Phone (YAY 1520!!) and she really liked it. Not as cluttered as her S4 and the biggest things for her:

    No more lag
    The battery life is excellent

    So for her, it was a win.

    I have a friend that went and bought a 920 from Android and the App Gap at the time and some features he wanted, he returned it and went back to Android. So no win here.

    My advice would be to change your tactic. Don't try to One Up the other platforms. Show how our platform can meet their expectations AND surpass them. If it can't, admit we are still young and growing and maybe someday, things will change.
    04-12-2014 03:27 PM
  13. neo158's Avatar
    I'm starting to think perhaps the absolute best way is to just enjoy your device! They'll notice you playing with it and become curious. Curiosity killed the cat but it is brought back by satisfaction... And you'll spread the word without having to say anything at all.


    •Sent from space using Tapatalk.•
    Exactly, the best way to convince someone that your device is better is not to try ;-)
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    04-12-2014 05:04 PM
  14. neo158's Avatar
    the time is the problem, see the following table
    Historical sales figures (in millions of units):
    Years android blackberry apple symbian windows phone/mobile
    2007 11.77 3.3 77.68 14.7
    2008 23.15 11.42 77.68 14.7
    2009 6.8 34.35 24.89 80.88 15.03
    2010 67.22 47.45 46.6 111.58 12.38
    2011 219.52 51.54 89.26 93.41 8.77
    2012 453.07 33.64 126.22 26.27 18.41
    2013(Q1 + Q2 only) 340 12.5 69.3 0.631 14.4

    other os started to growing up at 2011, except symbian and windows mobile/phone
    but if you look at blackberry at 2012, it dropped, android was the fastest growth like bitcoin in 2013, you just need to wait, bitcoin took ~5years to become a big hit
    just wait for a year to 2 years, windows phone will rise up, and rule them all, and android will become the next blackberry and symbian
    If you're going to quote figures then at least quote the source you got them from, that table looks like something I could knock out in Excel in about 2 seconds!!!
    Last edited by neo158; 04-12-2014 at 08:29 PM.
    04-12-2014 05:08 PM
  15. lovenokia's Avatar
    I don't ever try to convince the common folks that windows phone is better. I have a Nokia Lumia 1520, and get lots of questions about it and answer them with everything they ask. I will only set a point when Android start going at it with me, especially when they ask why I didn't get a note 3. My advice only argue with the technologically inclined, and keep it casual for the rest.

    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
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    04-12-2014 05:43 PM
  16. Talderon's Avatar
    I don't ever try to convince the common folks that windows phone is better. I have a Nokia Lumia 1520, and get lots of questions about it and answer them with everything they ask. I will only set a point when Android start going at it with me, especially when they ask why I didn't get a note 3. My advice only argue with the technologically inclined, and keep it casual for the rest.

    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
    Whenever I am asked "Why didn't you get <insert phone here>?", my response is always:

    "I have had those devices or those like them and right now, Windows Phone fits my lifestyle and mobile needs the best."

    This normally sparks a conversation and more often than not, gets a request to play with my phone where I almost always get comments like:

    "Wow, this is pretty!"
    "Man, this is so smooth!"
    "I wish my version of this app looked this good!"

    The comments go on and on, but overall, the platform can speak for itself. :D
    04-12-2014 05:52 PM
  17. slooksterpsv's Avatar
    In all actuality you can't. There's still things which Android works better for than WP8 does for me. Its all based on what the persons needs are. If they want everything Unified, they will go with iPhone (cause it's "high-end" expensive) or Windows Phone (support keeps dropping for older (not so old) models). If they want a variety in choices they choose Android - they don't want to be locked in a market, they want free things all around.
    04-12-2014 11:14 PM
  18. Skyfire89's Avatar
    Hush, leave this question to your Cortana.
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    04-13-2014 01:21 AM
  19. Christian Holmstedt's Avatar
    Instantly, when I got my Windows Phone 8, I got negative rep from my friends. One even compared it to a "bag of milk" (I don't get it either) and a useless brick that has lost all hope of becoming a good smart phone. They say it sucks and it lacks the amazing features off the iphone and android. Also, they say it's a total copy and the new 8.1 update is nothing good. How do counter their points? How do I tell them that there is some good in a Windows Phone that is worth trying and loving?

    Hahahaha, really!?
    04-13-2014 01:31 AM
  20. wuiyang's Avatar
    If you're going to quote figures then at least quote the source you got them from, that table looks like something I could knock out in Excel in about 2 seconds!!!
    Smartphone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    04-13-2014 03:32 AM
  21. ShocWave's Avatar
    You can't, because it's clearly not superior.
    Windows Phone has it's good points, and I like it.
    I've stuck with it since the very beginning, but it still has a long way to go.
    04-13-2014 04:20 AM
  22. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Instantly, when I got my Windows Phone 8, I got negative rep from my friends. One even compared it to a "bag of milk" (I don't get it either) and a useless brick that has lost all hope of becoming a good smart phone. They say it sucks and it lacks the amazing features off the iphone and android. Also, they say it's a total copy and the new 8.1 update is nothing good. How do counter their points? How do I tell them that there is some good in a Windows Phone that is worth trying and loving?



    I think the whole point of this is that the OP isn't trying to convince others to leave their phones....he was looking for arguments to counter others claims
    Mac





    Sent from my Nokia 1520
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    04-13-2014 04:30 AM
  23. anony_mouse's Avatar
    1) Point out its gorgeous Metro interface that clearly was innovative enough for Apple to copy
    This is dangerous. Some people hate metro. Also, what exactly did Apple copy from it? I don't know if you've ever seen an iOS device, but the interface looks nothing like metro.

    2) (if using iPhone) Point out iOS 7 is nice, but still ancient, stale and boring. Seriously, it's a grandma's phone.
    Sorry?

    3) (if using Android) Say your a virtuous fellow, and would rather not associate yourself with a RAM *****. Sure, it's got a couple tricks and favors it can do you, and some really impressive specs that sound incredible on paper (That big, eh?), but at the end of the night: You just end up with some sort of virus.

    (Number 3 is my personal favorite. Android is the Windows Vista of the mobile world, so it's easy to pick on, heheheh).
    What's a RAM *****? If you are trying to say that Android requires more RAM than WP, that is very obviously nonsense. See how many apps can't be run on a WP phone with 512MB compared to an Android WP phone. And ask yourself yet again why Nokia chose Android for the Nokia X.

    I've never ended up with a virus on any Android phone, and I don't know anyone who has. What statistics do you have to back up your claim that Android users end up with a virus by the end of each night? Maybe you are not talking about a computer virus and are implying something about Android users' nocturnal activities.
    04-13-2014 10:20 AM
  24. SwimSwim's Avatar
    This is dangerous. Some people hate metro. Also, what exactly did Apple copy from it? I don't know if you've ever seen an iOS device, but the interface looks nothing like metro.



    Sorry?



    What's a RAM *****? If you are trying to say that Android requires more RAM than WP, that is very obviously nonsense. See how many apps can't be run on a WP phone with 512MB compared to an Android WP phone. And ask yourself yet again why Nokia chose Android for the Nokia X.

    I've never ended up with a virus on any Android phone, and I don't know anyone who has. What statistics do you have to back up your claim that Android users end up with a virus by the end of each night? Maybe you are not talking about a computer virus and are implying something about Android users' nocturnal activities.
    It was meant to be mostly humorous, especially point 3.

    Anyways,

    1) iOS 7 did take a lot of the design mentality from Metro. Removing 3D textures and such for a "flat" look, trying to clean everything up and give everything a universal look across the entire OS. But don't take my word for it, see what WPC has to say on the subject: Meet the latest Windows Phone incarnation, iOS 7 | Windows Phone Central

    2) While iOS 7 was indeed very refreshing compared to old instances of iOS, it's still in many regards, very visually similar to what was original unveiled back in 2007. Many people like it, which is fine, and it is indeed a very simple OS that people can quickly pick up on. But it hasn't changed much, and while iOS 7 was a significant step in the right direction towards something new, I feel it's carrying a lot of baggage from the original iOS design. If you like it, that's fine, but I find it old and stale, way past date. And I humorously added the "grandma's phone" part because it's reached that point where even the older folk are beginning to grasp it, which is "uncool" for many (Often cited reason for why teens are bailing from Facebook in favor of things like Instagram).

    3) And it's true, Android is very resource intensive. KitKat takes big strides in solving this issue, but nonetheless, Android loves to be a resource hog. The Nokia X is running Android because Android has lower hardware requirements, and people are far more comfortable with the idea of trying some budget Nokia phone running Android as compared to Windows Phone. Mind share, my friend. However, just because Android has lower spec requirements, doesn't mean it runs all buttery smooth. From what I've seen and read, the Nokia X gets by, but you can feel how painstakingly low its specs are in regular use. Meanwhile, when I use my Lumia 520, while it is indeed slower than my Lumia 1020, it still does a very fine job in chugging along. Not bad for a device that only cost me $60. Also, the how many open apps thing is a ridiculous argument, as Android and Windows Phone handle multitasking and memory management in very different ways.

    And for the virus thing, it's not a very big problem in the US and other regions with open access to the Play Store. But it is indeed a big concern in places like China, where almost everyone gets their apps from third party stores. Now, most are fine. Just don't click/tap on anything you're not supposed to, and use common sense and you'll be fine. But then again, can't the same logic be applied to the Mac vs. PC argument?

    I was mostly having fun with my comment. As I said: no friendships are worth killing just due to phone preference. But if they're going to big dicks about your decision to pick Windows Phone, why not take cheap digs right back at them? Hmm?
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    04-13-2014 12:46 PM
  25. Anglerdk's Avatar
    just say this to the android users: "do your phone has lags? because mine don't..."



    Not sure what you mean lag, but my 925, 620, 520, 720, 820 and 1020 both have several times where I have to wait seconds before something happens. And apps shutting down or not starting is rare, but it happens too - there just isn't an annoying pop up.

    My sgs3 runs faster than eg the 1020, but over time the UI can be less smooth - but it is still faster.

    On the budget side android have some slow (old) models with ics, they have a hard time competing with eg 520 speedwise.





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    04-17-2014 02:54 AM
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