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  1. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Not sure what you mean lag, but my 925, 620, 520, 720, 820 and 1020 both have several times where I have to wait seconds before something happens. And apps shutting down or not starting is rare, but it happens too - there just isn't an annoying pop up.

    My sgs3 runs faster than eg the 1020, but over time the UI can be less smooth - but it is still faster.

    On the budget side android have some slow (old) models with ics, they have a hard time competing with eg 520 speedwise.





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    Microsoft has acknowledged this and greatly alleviated the issue with Windows Phone 8.1, thanks to much better OS handling of memory. So now 512MB devices should see loading screens when resuming apps about as often as 1GB devices did on WP8, and 1GB+ devices will almost never see loading screens when resuming apps. Exceptions of course when using apps or playing games that demand a lot of memory, but the majority of the time for the majority of users: loading times will be significantly improved.
    04-17-2014 09:26 AM
  2. Sport Driver's Avatar
    Not sure what you mean lag, but my 925, 620, 520, 720, 820 and 1020 both have several times where I have to wait seconds before something happens. And apps shutting down or not starting is rare, but it happens too - there just isn't an annoying pop up.

    My sgs3 runs faster than eg the 1020, but over time the UI can be less smooth - but it is still faster.

    On the budget side android have some slow (old) models with ics, they have a hard time competing with eg 520 speedwise.





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    Damn, this must be some fast Galaxy S3 ;). On Sunday I compered my Lumia 820 ( back than still with WP8 :D) with new Galaxy S5 in carrier store and my Lumia was pretty much as fast as Galaxy S5 which had his app open. If I tested it against my Lumia now I'm sure Lumia would be quicker ;). WP 8.1 works like charm.
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    04-17-2014 09:36 AM
  3. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Damn, this must be some fast Galaxy S3 ;). On Sunday I compered my Lumia 820 ( back than still with WP8 :D) with new Galaxy S5 in carrier store and my Lumia was pretty much as fast as Galaxy S5 which had his app open. If I tested it against my Lumia now I'm sure Lumia would be quicker ;). WP 8.1 works like charm.
    While I do agree 8.1 is very efficient compared to Android (especially TouchWiz, yuck!): that isn't the most fair comparison. Think about all the people going in there, opening apps, running crap, just everything to make it all blegh... I hope you at least restarted it before you did your test, to at least make things more fair.
    04-17-2014 09:56 AM
  4. Christian Holmstedt's Avatar
    Instantly, when I got my Windows Phone 8, I got negative rep from my friends. One even compared it to a "bag of milk" (I don't get it either) and a useless brick that has lost all hope of becoming a good smart phone. They say it sucks and it lacks the amazing features off the iphone and android. Also, they say it's a total copy and the new 8.1 update is nothing good. How do counter their points? How do I tell them that there is some good in a Windows Phone that is worth trying and loving?
    Seriously, I wouldn't waste my time with those inane conversations. A half hour wasted on this is a half hour lost to more interesting activities. If nothing else a half hour nap is nice.
    04-17-2014 11:44 AM
  5. Sport Driver's Avatar
    I closed apps if that count :) ? Even so, I never close apps on my Lumia I pulled it directly from my pocket to test it .
    04-17-2014 11:45 AM
  6. C LaBelle's Avatar
    This is what I do and works very well with the iPhone users:

    Lay your phone down on a table with the screen off and ask that someone else do the same. Then ask them without touching the phone what can their phone tell them? Probably nothing or not much. Then I wave my hand over my 920 and glance turns on, time and notifications turn on.

    Then tell them they can press one button only and try again. They get the time, maybe a notification. Whoopty doo, we already know the time because my phone already told us. Then I push one button on my phone to wake the screen, I get detailed text notification as well as others, plus weather. Two wins for me.

    Then I tell them to go to their home screen and again what can they tell me. Usually it's missed calls, text messages, very basic info. I do the same. Again I get current weather, tomorrows weather, detailed text notifications, calender appointments, detailed facebook notifications, contacts FB pics and thats about it without scrolling.

    By then they usually see that it's a little more thought out OS than theirs, it's actually functional and useful. Then if they still want more I explain my wireless charging, camera, free GPS, all the social media integration, and whatever else they want to know until they now want a Windows Phone. I've had two people switch to WP after doing this. Haha
    04-17-2014 12:07 PM
  7. raycpl's Avatar
    A Note3 user in my office just got his wireless charging kit. I just placed my 920 on the pad and it was charging. While he had to fiddle around with his back cover

    "hey!! What's the fuss?? I had this thing last year!!!"

    Some colleague was coerced to put his iPhone on the pad...obviously nothing happened. Hahaha. That was a laugh!!!
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    04-18-2014 08:28 AM
  8. iliramove's Avatar
    I own a Nokia 1020, Galaxy Note 1 and Iphone 4s and to be honest even though I love Windows Phone, I don`t recommend it to family and friends all the time. I try to be honest and ask them what they want from the device and OS etc...you should not be trying to convince everyone to switch to windows phone as just like IOS and Android it is not best for everyone.

    If they want a simple, fast and functional OS with the latest games, social apps and need banking, tv, local apps on great small screen hardware, with good camera then I would say Iphone.

    If they want complete freedom to tweak settings, the look of the UI , play the latest games, social apps and need banking, tv, local apps on great hardware with a larger screen then I would say Android.

    If they want smooth, pretty, personal UI and not so bothered by latest games, social apps or banking,tv,local apps etc... I would definitely say Windows Phone..

    Hopefully in 2015 Windows Phone will tick all the boxes but at the moment it does not..



    That's what I do too. My mom is using an iPhone 4S currently and her friends had moved along to the Samsung Galaxy/Android world. She's lonely and gets the usual bashing that iPhone is outdated, etc. I'm going to upgrade her to the Xperia Z2. She can kick those Sammy fans *** soon.

    I don't recommend Windows Phone to my friends or relatives because they will not be able to appreciate it. Moreover, majority of users on any platform uses probably half the functions the OS has to offer at best. The rest is usually for bragging rights.

    I have given up explaining technology to people because they will not listen. Seriously, everyone will be happy when they get a phone they already have in mind.





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    04-20-2014 06:54 AM
  9. oditius's Avatar
    Hey... I had all 3 phone..

    iPhone4s... The Smartphone for Dummies edition. Great phone, just not for me

    Androids... Galaxy S3, Note2, HTC OneX, HTC One (to mention a few of the many android phones I had).. I loved the One and it's front speakers. I never had any luck with the S3, The Note 2 seemed to big to carry around, so I sold it.

    Windows Mobile... Touch Pro 2... I really loved this phone, I could change ROM's and be back up in less than a half hour

    Windows Phone 7... Titan II... It was a cool phone, but bought it only to try out the AT&T network, as US Cellular was leaving Chicago..

    Windows Phone 8.. The Nokia Lumia 920... Was a first adopter, but alas, I needed a few apps it didn't have, so I went back to Android...
    The Nokia Lumia 1520.. WOW and now on 8.1 makes it the perfect phone for me. (Funny how I thought the Note 2 was too big, the 1520 with the PMA case just feels right in my hands)

    Would I recommend it to others? Depends on what they are doing. Is android laggy? Every one I owned had some lag, so far I have not seen any in the 1520 (knock on wood) But I gave up with trying to convince anyone to go WP. Why? I can argue with the iOS and android lovers here and walk away and ignore you all, but friends are a different story, I don't even try to convince any of them to switch, because in the real world, you can lose friends that way. So you all have a nice day...
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    04-20-2014 07:17 AM
  10. kumar_rajan5000's Avatar
    You tell them to show their phone's start screen and you show them your windows phone start screen. Then ask them if their phone is doing something or is idle because their phone will not show any animation or updating thing. But when they see at your phone you can show them flipping tiles which can itself update. Also wp has inbuilt office app free of cost.
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    04-20-2014 07:33 AM
  11. Draganta's Avatar
    I have WP (Primary), Android (Work), and iOS (G/F's Tablet)
    So far I haven't seen anything that WP can do that Android cannot.
    What irritates me more is that I have the official MS RDP app on my Android, but it isn't on my WP.

    Looking at the features coming to 8.1 it looks like it might catch up to where Android was 7 years ago.
    Glance screen (clock and notifications without doing anything at all), Halo (and other Xbox Live exclusive games), stream screen through a browser (without installing anything), double-tap to wake (very nice to see the clock when it is on a table, and you don't use glance), perfect integration with OneDrive (well, Android probably has that with Google Drive), generating same app to Xbox One, Win8 and WP 8.1 (nice for app developers), free fully functional offline navigation, People hub with quick overviews of social media without installed apps or widgets, fast low-end devices, free offline music mixes with Nokia Mixradio, so on, so on...
    04-21-2014 12:34 AM
  12. Draganta's Avatar
    This is dangerous. Some people hate metro. Also, what exactly did Apple copy from it? I don't know if you've ever seen an iOS device, but the interface looks nothing like metro.



    Sorry?



    What's a RAM *****? If you are trying to say that Android requires more RAM than WP, that is very obviously nonsense. See how many apps can't be run on a WP phone with 512MB compared to an Android WP phone. And ask yourself yet again why Nokia chose Android for the Nokia X.

    I've never ended up with a virus on any Android phone, and I don't know anyone who has. What statistics do you have to back up your claim that Android users end up with a virus by the end of each night? Maybe you are not talking about a computer virus and are implying something about Android users' nocturnal activities.
    If Nokia used Android on Nokia X because of the RAM problem, why don't they use it on more models then? That is complete bull. It has different reasons, and my Lumia 520 runs MUCH smoother and faster than my moms mid-end LG Android phone out of the box.
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    04-21-2014 12:36 AM
  13. anony_mouse's Avatar
    If Nokia used Android on Nokia X because of the RAM problem, why don't they use it on more models then? That is complete bull. It has different reasons, and my Lumia 520 runs MUCH smoother and faster than my moms mid-end LG Android phone out of the box.
    Maybe they will use it on more models. They have to start somewhere. Until recently, they had a corporate position that WP was better, no doubt influenced by the 100s of millions of euros Microsoft were giving them.
    Why do you think Nokia have adopted Android for cheap phones? Will this decision survive the Microsoft takeover?

    Btw, in case you have forgotten it, we concluded in another thread that Android was more efficient than WP in terms of memory usage, as 512MB Android phones are much less limited in terms of the apps they can run.
    04-21-2014 03:50 AM
  14. ListenUpGuys's Avatar
    What the... let people make their own decisions. It's annoying when people try to push their ideas on other people.

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    04-21-2014 12:43 PM
  15. Draganta's Avatar
    Maybe they will use it on more models. They have to start somewhere. Until recently, they had a corporate position that WP was better, no doubt influenced by the 100s of millions of euros Microsoft were giving them.
    Why do you think Nokia have adopted Android for cheap phones? Will this decision survive the Microsoft takeover?

    Btw, in case you have forgotten it, we concluded in another thread that Android was more efficient than WP in terms of memory usage, as 512MB Android phones are much less limited in terms of the apps they can run.
    It is not Android, it is a fork of it, without a play store and everything. It doesn't look and feel like Android. If they wanted it, they could licence the Play store, but they didn't, because they are not switching to Android.
    04-21-2014 05:11 PM
  16. sdreamer's Avatar
    Keep using your phone and use it for a long time. Don't complain about anything, because there isn't much to complain about really. If they use an app you don't have, wait a month and ask them if they're still using that app, chances are they aren't. When they upgrade their phone and comment on how old your phone is, tell them you don't need to yet, it still works just as well as it did out of the box. Basically, just use your phone, ignore their comments. It'll prove itself overtime just by you using it. It isn't about what it can do per se, but what you do with it, and most people use an app for a little and move on, but majority use it for basically Facebook, messaging, web browsing and as a phone, not for all those other apps really. Take a look at Battery Sense and your usage, you'll probably see mostly built in apps towards the beginning of the list.
    04-21-2014 08:28 PM
  17. anony_mouse's Avatar
    It is not Android, it is a fork of it, without a play store and everything. It doesn't look and feel like Android. If they wanted it, they could licence the Play store, but they didn't, because they are not switching to Android.
    I didn't say they would. Now Microsoft have bought Nokia, I would say it's quite unlikely they will switch to Android (full or AOSP). If Microsoft hadn't bought them... well, we will never know what might have been.
    Anyway, I'm glad you agree with the point about the relative efficiencies of the two platforms. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft continue with the X products.
    04-22-2014 04:42 AM
  18. Bizarro_Prime's Avatar
    This seems like a fitting place to talk about what happened over the weekend.
    A friend on facebook asked "HTC One M8 or Galaxy S5 or other? I'm getting rid of my iPhone and iTunes"
    I suggested he hold out for the Lumia 930. He was willing to consider this.
    Some other guy jumps straight in and says "Windows Phones suck! Android crashes a lot! Stick with ios"
    My response was "If your argument against android is that it crashes a lot, why not choose WP?"
    His response... "App market is a pile of ****"
    Me: "That comment was valid maybe 3 years ago, but not now"
    Him: "That's because iphone was the first to have apps and WP8 is too restricted"
    I mention Symbian being around was before the iPhone and how being "restricted" meant a more secure OS.
    He then must have started to panic as he then starts to go on about how Windows PCs crash all the time and how Office365 won't let him print. Not sure how this relates to WP8.

    Long story short, there is no convincing Apple fanboys.
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    04-22-2014 06:40 AM
  19. Josh Keisling's Avatar
    WP is not superior to andriod or ios, but it is a solid 3rd. Its the truth. However there is a place for WP its for the people looking for something different. Thats why im using wp now, i just got tired of android and ios, i still own both an android and ios device. Now with windows phone 8.1 the os has really stepped it up, i mean its still 3rd but its a great improvement. Its simple things like app support that will take time trying to get dev to make apps for wp, as long as wp keeps on the rise. Thats microsofts goal anyway is to be a solid 3rd and a solid option for people looking for something different. If your trying to get someone to jump to wp youll just have to let them try it out, there is nothing wrong with wp, most people just look at the start screen and are put off by it. Since ive updated to 8.1 on my 928 ive gotten nothing but people saying it looks awesome or cool. Truth is a lot of people are just close minded about even trying something different so let them keep their android or iphone and just know that you have a phone that trys to be different without trying to copy other platforms, well wp doesnt copy AS much as android or ios.
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    04-22-2014 07:04 AM
  20. Draganta's Avatar
    I didn't say they would. Now Microsoft have bought Nokia, I would say it's quite unlikely they will switch to Android (full or AOSP). If Microsoft hadn't bought them... well, we will never know what might have been.
    Anyway, I'm glad you agree with the point about the relative efficiencies of the two platforms. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft continue with the X products.
    Yes, I am hoping that Microsoft will keep the X line, because it is a very interesting strategy, something like: fighting fire with fire (using Android against Android). Will it work?
    04-22-2014 02:50 PM
  21. Pilgrimtozion's Avatar
    My main arguments against Android and iOS would be as follows:

    1. Android is in my experience not as stable as Windows Phone. Granted, if one prefers customization Android is a great platform. The tremendous downside to the customization is the lack of stability that it results in. Obviously, that is a subjective observation, but it is my experience all the same. In addition to this, my experience is that good Android phone cost more than I am willing or able to pay. A low budget phone typically means you get what you paid for. But then again, even the high end models end up with the aforementioned stability issues. An Android phone does not age well in my opinion.
    2. iOS is by nature an expensive ecosystem. Iphones don't come in budget versions. For me, that is the biggest downside I can think of. In addition to that, however, I'm not a fan of how the iPhone operates. It's okay for my iPad (a requirement for certain things I do or else I would have gotten a Windows tablet) but I don't like it on an iPhone. The customization that causes Android's instability is nice and lacking on the iPhone. I feel the screen is too small, the icons too big, things are too cluttered.
    3. As far as I am concerned Windows Phone shines in all those areas - especially after the 8.1 update. I can get a Lumia 520 for the fraction of the cost of an iPhone or Galaxy 5. I don't need the latest greatest, what I need is an affordable phone that does most all that those fancy phones do. And in the 520 I find that. Now, higher end units are available and give both aforementioned units a good run for their money. The OS is stable, looks sharp in a way that I feel optimizes functionality while granting a healthy measure of customization - not so much that it hurts your phone and its performance, but just enough.

    Ultimately, much will come down to preference. Some may want what all their friends have, which is an iPhone. If you're a Google Hangout fan, you might prefer Android. But a regular user like myself finds himself with money in his pocket to spare, a well-functioning smartphone, and a phone that does what it should the way that it should. But that is just me.
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    04-22-2014 03:33 PM
  22. Luis Carlos Ruiz Paternina's Avatar
    Ehhh...!!! When I got my 1st android back in 2009 everybody said. "What's that?...Get an Iphone or a Blackberry at least" and look how far we've come now. They're afraid of losing their Android religion now. Android is a great OS no doubt about it, but it's so fragmented and resource consuming now that for me it's not appealing anymore. I just can't accept that a phone with a Snapdragon 800 Quad Core 2.3 Ghz and 2GB of ram lags. (really? YES IT DOES) My brother's wife has a Lumia 520 with a decent Qualcomm Dual Core 1 Ghz and 512 of Ram and guess what? haven't seen a lag to this day. My advise for you my friend is this... Just enjoy your phone and do not try to convince them. I know people saying that IOS is the best out there and we all know that it's not so simple. Maybe they like it and android users like android and we just love Windows Phone. In my personal case I do not see myself going back to android. We are setting the trend now. Windows Phone is just what we like and I don't care about my coworkers telling me that my Lumia 1020 is a camera than can make phone calls, they even say "Wow" that camera has facebook? I know it's not just a camera despite having the best camera ever put on a phone. Windows Phone is growing up and we should be pleased we are seeing it grow as we use it.
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    04-22-2014 05:56 PM
  23. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I'm always mystified by these claims that WP is fast. Try, for example, opening a web browser and going to a web page on a similarly priced Android phone and a Lumia 520 side by side (easy to do in a shop). Android will win by a long way.

    As I've said many times before - Android was occasionally less responsive than WP in the past (meaning that WP would do *something* more quickly, e.g. display a loading screen), but much faster to complete an action (meaning the web browser actually being usable).
    04-23-2014 05:36 AM
  24. prasath1234's Avatar
    Hey guys windows phone is great but still apps like star plus cricket which allow you to watch Ipl 7 is there even in low end 512 mb Chinese Droid. So even though Android is not smooth still you can get any popular app(but only after ios).

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    04-23-2014 06:42 AM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I don't know that it is superior. That all depends on the user. Some people only care about apps, others like camera features and others like watching movies or TV shows. Does WP do all these things better than any other phone? No, of course not. Neither does iPhone, Android or BlackBerry. That's not even considering which carrier any particular device is on. In the US, T-Mobile usually gets the crappiest selection and AT&T has a history of crippling features.

    WP has some outstanding features but it's not quite "there" yet and I don't think 8.1 is an end-all solution.
    04-23-2014 06:43 PM
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