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  1. SwimSwim's Avatar
    Maybe they will use it on more models. They have to start somewhere. Until recently, they had a corporate position that WP was better, no doubt influenced by the 100s of millions of euros Microsoft were giving them.
    Why do you think Nokia have adopted Android for cheap phones? Will this decision survive the Microsoft takeover?

    Btw, in case you have forgotten it, we concluded in another thread that Android was more efficient than WP in terms of memory usage, as 512MB Android phones are much less limited in terms of the apps they can run.
    My friend, there's a HUGE difference between being able to run something, and being able to run it well...

    Hence why Apple and Microsoft limit features in many ways. They sacrifice universal compatibility, in exchange for a much better user experience.

    I.E: Apple's frequent decision to give older devices iOS updates, but to limit or completely rip out headline features on said older devices. Why? Well, even though the older updates probably could run all the features, there's a good chance they wouldn't do an ideal job, frustrating to user. It's an interesting choice, but one I agree with. Better to just not let the customer not even touch the feature, rather than them using it and face constant frustration. After all, you can't miss what you never had, so if they never get the feature, they can't really miss it. But if they did get it, then they'd constantly be getting annoyed when it didn't work ideally, constantly renewing frustration, whereas the complete absence of it leads the consumer to forget.

    So Microsoft and Apple are simply cutting features for the sake of improving the user experience and reducing headaches for users. Sure, Android /can/ run lots more apps on a 512MB device than a 520, but let's face it: in most cases, the 520 will outperform the comparable Android.

    Just like Windows Vista. Sure, plenty of devices could /run/ Windows Vista, but all except the most powerful of machines could run it /well/. Everyone else had to suffer through a slow OS that completely lacked any decent compatibility with Windows XP. Android is basically the Vista of the mobile world: very resource intensive. Low written requirements, but still very demanding in practice, with fragmentation galore.

    Granted, things could be much better with Kit-Kat, but seeing as Kit-Kat is only really being found only on the most recent of flagships, we might not know how low-end devices handle it for a time (with the exceptions of those who like to flash their devices).

    TL;DR: Sure Android can /run/ on 512 and even 256MB devices, but a comparable Windows Phone handset will likely perform much better, because running and running /well/ are very different.
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    04-23-2014 08:41 PM
  2. SwimSwim's Avatar
    I'm always mystified by these claims that WP is fast. Try, for example, opening a web browser and going to a web page on a similarly priced Android phone and a Lumia 520 side by side (easy to do in a shop). Android will win by a long way.

    As I've said many times before - Android was occasionally less responsive than WP in the past (meaning that WP would do *something* more quickly, e.g. display a loading screen), but much faster to complete an action (meaning the web browser actually being usable).
    While true, one must remember: as much as we hate to admit it, humans aren't that analytical/rational beings.

    While raw numbers make perfect sense for a computer, because computers are objective, humans are far more relative and subjective.

    So even though Android in some cases may /run/ faster, Windows Phone still /feels/ faster. End result? Because Windows Phone feels faster, they'll think their device is powering along. Yes, it's an illusion, but we silly humans are very prone to such things. It's inescapable, so people will still prefer a device that /feels/ faster, because it /feels/ like something is happening.

    That is the most important thing to remember whenever humans are involved: Human error and just how silly humans are in general.

    That's why it's so common to see two loading bars on application downloads/installs these days. One that's the absolute overall process of the install/download, and/or a loading one showing the current process going on right now.

    While the actual install/download isn't happening any faster, just seeing something move keeps the brain's attention and keeps it interested, hence making it /feel/ like it's faster.

    Humans are silly. Design for humans, not for computers. This is why Steve Jobs was so brilliant: he realized this very early on, that you're designing for /people/, not numbers. Microsoft has finally started to catch on to his brilliance.
    04-23-2014 08:52 PM
  3. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Note that I don't find Android less responsive than WP (comparing my Moto G with Lumia 520/620 - haven't tried other WPs).
    Personally I really value Android's extra speed. On mobile, I often have to quickly find some information, and waiting a few extra seconds can be VERY frustrating.
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    04-24-2014 06:15 AM
  4. A895's Avatar
    "Feels" is subjective. Android we know some apps are going to move a little faster because that is how it works. As far as responsiveness overall a 520 might have a slight edge against a comparable Android device in terms of specs.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
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    04-24-2014 10:29 AM
  5. taymur's Avatar
    Drop test.
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    04-24-2014 10:50 AM
  6. anony_mouse's Avatar
    TL;DR: Sure Android can /run/ on 512 and even 256MB devices, but a comparable Windows Phone handset will likely perform much better, because running and running /well/ are very different.
    So we come back to question of why Nokia chose Android (well, a fork of AOSP if you prefer) rather than WP for the low spec, 512MB Nokia X. Also why 512MB Android phones have been claimed to run a greater range of apps than 512MB WP phones (*).

    (*) This was claimed on another thread by other people - I have not verified it myself.
    Last edited by anony_mouse; 04-24-2014 at 11:21 AM. Reason: Add critical missing word 'not'
    04-24-2014 11:21 AM
  7. A895's Avatar
    So we come back to question of why Nokia chose Android (well, a fork of AOSP if you prefer) rather than WP for the low spec, 512MB Nokia X. Also why 512MB Android phones have been claimed to run a greater range of apps than 512MB WP phones (*).

    (*) This was claimed on another thread by other people - I have not verified it myself.
    It is true. Android has little restrictions on apps and phone specs. It's mostly dependant on what version of Android the device is running. For example, my Moto X had access to mostly every app and game. My RAZR M almost does but runs 4.1.2. instead of 4.4.2. so apps like Muzei and Dash clock are out of the discussion. On my Samsung Gem running 2.1 I have access to a much smaller number of games but most apps are there except a few like Netflix.

    In summary, Android=Dependant on OS version what apps you have access to
    WP=Dependant on amount of RAM.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    04-24-2014 12:18 PM
  8. Bainsh's Avatar
    What appeals to me is not necessarily the Windows Phone alone, but the entire Eco System. I have always been a Windows fan but the integration between my Laptop, Surface 2 Pro, XBox, Windows Phone and Office 365 is nothing short of amazing. I challenge anyone to tell me there is any Eco System better.
    B41N5.
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    04-24-2014 12:31 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    What appeals to me is not necessarily the Windows Phone alone, but the entire Eco System. I have always been a Windows fan but the integration between my Laptop, Surface 2 Pro, XBox, Windows Phone and Office 365 is nothing short of amazing. I challenge anyone to tell me there is any Eco System better.
    B41N5.
    Outside of console gaming, Google and Apple are just as good. But then again there Android Consoles like the Ouya and Fire TV. That Windows synergy is cool, but it's not as cool if you have more than one Microsoft account or if you use another console. Also with a setup like that you have to go all in Microsoft and accept all shortcomings.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    04-24-2014 01:23 PM
  10. SwimSwim's Avatar
    So we come back to question of why Nokia chose Android (well, a fork of AOSP if you prefer) rather than WP for the low spec, 512MB Nokia X. Also why 512MB Android phones have been claimed to run a greater range of apps than 512MB WP phones (*).

    (*) This was claimed on another thread by other people - I have not verified it myself.
    I refer you to a post I've already made on this very thread. http://forums.windowscentral.com/pho...tm#post2495785
    04-24-2014 03:13 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    I refer you to a post I've already made on this very thread. http://forums.windowscentral.com/pho...tm#post2495785
    That post does not answer why they made an Android Phone.

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    04-24-2014 04:46 PM
  12. SwimSwim's Avatar
    That post does not answer why they made an Android Phone.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    Ahh, sorry.... Reading comprehension error, was in a hurry.

    Sadly, I wish I knew. The case of the Nokia X line continues to baffle and bother me. Seems absurd to try and somehow get people hooked to Microsoft that way. How they think that'll work is beyond me.

    Really disappointing, as I feel the resources would've been better devoted towards perfecting the Lumia 5XX line, as well as other low end Windows Phones. But alas, they went for this quirky and puzzling device instead.
    04-24-2014 09:20 PM
  13. anon(8412718)'s Avatar
    I have long since given up trying to convince people what's a good mobile OS/device and what's not.
    I'll leave that to the fanbois, they tend to be the only ones who get as concerned as they do about who should be using what and why their choice of device and OS is better than another!

    Personally, I have used smartphones for a while. My first device was a stylus driven XDA II Mini with Windows Mobile on it. Just to be able to get an email on a mobile phone was amazing back then and NOTHING came close!
    I switched to the iPhone 3 when that first came out as it really did blow me away - had never owned an Apple product before that apart from a really old school iPod Shuffle that I never bothered with much. The iPhone was a device to have - it was amazing what you could do with it. Many people I knew were still happy with their feature phones though, or their Symbian devices and couldn't see the point of an Apple phone.....(some of you might not be old enough to remember those days lol)
    But then Android came out with the HTC G1 Dream running Donut (you want to talk about lag and whatever these days? You have nothing to complain about ha!)

    Needless to say I had to have one after I saw a workmate with it. The physical keyboard was THE BEST....well IMO at the time it was...
    I continued to flip between Android and iOS and my two most favourite devices over the years? The Motorola Milestone (the US called it the Droid) and my HTC HD2 running old Windows Phone.....(had one of the largest displays available when it came out!)

    I recently bought my Mum a Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini - she loves it! Why not iOS? Too many $$$ basically....nothing else, or why not WP? She wanted a small white (yeah white lol) device that just worked and she and her friends all have Android Samsung devices. So they have their own support network! (People 60+ I'm talking about here)
    There is also the small fact we went to a few stores and tried them out (including WP) and she just preferred the Samsung.

    What I'm getting at is, who cares what device you use or others do at the end of the day - it isn't really a life altering thing nor should it be treated that way. To be at the point where you fuss and bother over it and argue with people about it? It is a very handy device sure, and I would be lost without mine too, but you really need to get out more if a little smartphone and its OS keeps you up at night and arguing with your mates!





    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 925
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    04-24-2014 10:31 PM
  14. plot_almighty's Avatar
    If someone is trying to tell you that your phone of choice is wrong, my first impression is usually "who in the nine hells suddenly made you an expert on me?", followed by the thought "please don't continue this way, id hate to shoot you down for being so shallow and judging".

    Instead of trying to say WP is superior, argue your reason for picking it (god forbid if your reason is as shallow as theirs) and leave zero interest or room for a tasteless debate. Other users before me are right: Why should you give anything more than a negative and rounded down brain fart about it? You do you guy.
    James8561, A895 and OsamaAdam98 like this.
    04-25-2014 10:04 PM
  15. Kazashimo's Avatar
    Tell Cortana right in front of them..."remind me next time I talk to (friends name) to tell him how his phone can't remind him to do what in doing right now."

    No really, just show off all the exclusive features.
    04-25-2014 10:17 PM
  16. Christian Holmstedt's Avatar
    Just say : "Really!? Again?"
    04-25-2014 10:41 PM
  17. Kazashimo's Avatar
    Just say : "Really!? Again?"
    I don't get it.
    04-26-2014 12:00 AM
  18. Christian Holmstedt's Avatar
    I don't get it.
    It's a reply to the first post. When someone starts babbling about what's best, just say that and go about with more important things in life. Really, buy whatever floats your boat. I'm not paid (surely not anyone else her either) is paid by MS to promote the product. Any of the current systems work well.
    04-26-2014 12:47 AM
  19. Dexter505's Avatar
    I like my surface and windows 8 but there is nothing that anyone can say that will convince me that windows phone is better than android. There are just too many things lacking and it does not feel as snappy as android when using the Lumia 925

    Sent from my Surface Pro 2 using Tapatalk
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    04-28-2014 08:12 PM
  20. MaxyBley's Avatar
    Ha I had something similar happen to me. About a month ago I was looking for a phone to buy and saw my brother's LG Optimus L9 and it was nice. I was going for that phone but then, saw the Lumia 521 and was pretty cheap I then looked up for tons of research, review and opinions. And got even more hyped.

    Long story short, when I went to buy the phone the MetroPCS retail seller was like "I don't like this phone. It doesn't have flash and it doesn't even have WhatsApp." And she said some other foolish things. For me whataspp or flash ain't no deal breaker. I knew what I was getting into. I was just laughing inside of me a bit. Saying in my head "poor little fool." I picked the Lumia over the LG because of the amazing experience you get. In specs the L9 I better yet is slower lol. I wanted a phone that was fast or at least felt fast and Windows Phone has give me just that. โค I love to try out new things and just got bored of IOS (iPod 4) and Android (even though I haven't realm used much of it.) I'm a power user I can deal things like not having Facebook app and actually discovering similar app gems.

    I have about one week with it (bought it on 21st). Also, the day I bought I got WP8.1 also loving it!! It, got not only to Android and IOS level but surpass them (i.e Cortana).
    04-28-2014 09:37 PM
  21. MaxyBley's Avatar
    Forgot to mention that my brother who was also talking shot about my phone on the day that I was going to buy it. Just today said that he might get my phone (Lumia 521) for him to play around with. He's not going to activate it though. I was trying to show him cool things I do in here and how snappy as hell Windows Phone 8.1 is compared to his Android phone lol. Like me asking Cortana if I have work for tomorrow or when is someone's birthday (You do this by making an appointment in the calendar). I did stop trying to show off. I'm like well f*** it it's his lost anyways.
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    04-28-2014 09:56 PM
  22. Kazashimo's Avatar
    I like my surface and windows 8 but there is nothing that anyone can say that will convince me that windows phone is better than android. There are just too many things lacking and it does not feel as snappy as android when using the Lumia 925

    Sent from my Surface Pro 2 using Tapatalk
    You'll come to the dark side... Just you wait ๐Ÿ˜ค
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    04-28-2014 10:06 PM
  23. prasath1234's Avatar
    I like my surface and windows 8 but there is nothing that anyone can say that will convince me that windows phone is better than android. There are just too many things lacking and it does not feel as snappy as android when using the Lumia 925

    Sent from my Surface Pro 2 using Tapatalk
    If u meant high end definitely I.agree you:thumbup::D

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    04-29-2014 09:38 AM
  24. blueballet's Avatar
    Every OS has its flaws and its merits. If your friends insist on being jerks like this, ask them what AMAZING features their phones have that make them so great. People love to say "Windows Phones can't do anything" or "Windows Phone have no apps," when they really don't know what they're talking about.

    If all else fails, wait for 8.1 to be released, and then have Cortana call them assholes. lmao
    dude, i am so tired of hearing that crap. there are plenty of apps, and windows phone can do so much more than IOS and Android.
    I have a nice black heavy WPhone..... Usually I just politely ask them three things...

    1) Can you use MS Excel on your phone??

    2) Do you have offline maps?, and lastly

    3) Can your camera do this??
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    Love my Nokia 920 !!
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    I'm sorry to hear this either get new friends or ask the three things.
    Last edited by blueballet; 05-01-2014 at 07:56 AM.
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    04-30-2014 08:56 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I'm sorry to hear this either get new friends or ask the three things.
    Only need to ask 1 thing, not 3.

    Are you going to pay for my device and service?

    What's that? No? Well then STFU!


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    05-01-2014 02:26 PM
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