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  1. bobbob1016's Avatar
    Folks, riddle me this. What did people do prior to Google? I know the answer but I want to see some other responses. I'll give you a hint, you don't need Google to have a happy, productive life. In fact, you don't even need to have Google services on your Android phone. YES!!!! It's possible!!! Mine eyes have seen the glory!!!
    Before Google, we had Yahoo trying to fit the entire internet into a few categories, which wouldn't work well as how could new sites be found that easily. Deep web isn't easy for people really. Before that we had BBS/Newsgroups. Which is what forums came from really.

    But yes, you can use an Android phone without Google.
    05-27-2014 11:00 AM
  2. A895's Avatar
    Folks, riddle me this. What did people do prior to Google? I know the answer but I want to see some other responses. I'll give you a hint, you don't need Google to have a happy, productive life. In fact, you don't even need to have Google services on your Android phone. YES!!!! It's possible!!! Mine eyes have seen the glory!!!
    Prior to owning my first Android phone (back in 2011). I didn't write down anything (lists or notes) nor did I have any presence online outside of a couple accounts on a few gaming websites.

    But now that I have discovered Google Services and how easy and good they are, it will be difficult to get me away from them. Mainly because Google Calendar/Google Tasks, Google Maps and Google Drive/Docs.

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    05-27-2014 11:07 AM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    While also displaying a ad for Viagra because your best friend from high school jokingly called you limp d**k.

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    No, if your best friend from HS calls you a limp d**k, you'll be getting ads from GLAAD.
    05-27-2014 11:08 AM
  4. tgp's Avatar
    Folks, riddle me this. What did people do prior to Google? I know the answer but I want to see some other responses. I'll give you a hint, you don't need Google to have a happy, productive life. In fact, you don't even need to have Google services on your Android phone. YES!!!! It's possible!!! Mine eyes have seen the glory!!!
    Back when I was a kid we were perfectly happy with no cell phones at all. Wonderful times indeed! This past weekend we were up in the mountains with no service, and my wife commented on how refreshing it was to be temporarily disconnected.
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    05-27-2014 11:32 AM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Back when I was a kid we were perfectly happy with no cell phones at all. Wonderful times indeed! This past weekend we were up in the mountains with no service, and my wife commented on how refreshing it was to be temporarily disconnected.
    Lucky you. If my wife and I want to go to the mountains in Miami we have to go to the landfill.


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    05-27-2014 01:03 PM
  6. lcw731's Avatar
    I may have to disagree with A895 slightly, as technically, yes, they would show you that. If that is the *only* email you have ever sent. Otherwise other words and phrases would be much higher on their ad queue.
    Hummm gives me an idea for an experiment. Set up a new yahoo! (or any other service ) email account, and a new Gmail account. Do not use either for any thing but emailing between the two. Do it for say 60 to 90 days and see what the spam and displayed ad results are over that time.







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    05-27-2014 01:04 PM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Hummm gives me an idea for an experiment. Set up a new yahoo! (or any other service ) email account, and a new Gmail account. Do not use either for any thing but emailing between the two. Do it for say 60 to 90 days and see what the spam and displayed ad results are over that time.







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    Want to do it faster and be more prolific? Assign those dummy emails to 2 teenagers.


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    05-27-2014 01:10 PM
  8. bobbob1016's Avatar
    Hummm gives me an idea for an experiment. Set up a new yahoo! (or any other service ) email account, and a new Gmail account. Do not use either for any thing but emailing between the two. Do it for say 60 to 90 days and see what the spam and displayed ad results are over that time.

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    I might tweak it a bit, and do 8 accounts total. 1 Gmail unused, 1 Yahoo unused, 1 Gmail and 1 Yahoo emailing each other, and 2 Gmails emailing each other, and 2 Yahoo's emailing each other. Making sure to be done on virus/spyware/adware free computers or VMs, so the Email addresses don't leak out. See who gets the most spam. Ads I wouldn't care about as we know both sell ads, and there wouldn't be a good test to see which is actually selling your info, without saying things that would send you to jail.
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    05-27-2014 01:29 PM
  9. bobbob1016's Avatar
    Lucky you. If my wife and I want to go to the mountains in Miami we have to go to the landfill.


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    Mount Trashmore* ftfy
    05-27-2014 01:30 PM
  10. lcw731's Avatar
    I might tweak it a bit, and do 8 accounts total. 1 Gmail unused, 1 Yahoo unused, 1 Gmail and 1 Yahoo emailing each other, and 2 Gmails emailing each other, and 2 Yahoo's emailing each other. Making sure to be done on virus/spyware/adware free computers or VMs, so the Email addresses don't leak out. See who gets the most spam. Ads I wouldn't care about as we know both sell ads, and there wouldn't be a good test to see which is actually selling your info, without saying things that would send you to jail.
    Interesting. I would also be interested in seeing which displayed adds more closely aligned with the context of emails received, and how long after the emails were received before the spam / ads started. Anyone interested in helping with this? I talk to myself enough as it is. If I state emailing my self, it'll just be weird!





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    05-27-2014 01:44 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    Lucky you. If my wife and I want to go to the mountains in Miami we have to go to the landfill.
    I've wanted to visit it ever since I read this literary masterpiece by Dave Barry years ago.
    05-27-2014 01:55 PM
  12. Ian Too's Avatar
    Well, on the flip side of that, Google also needs to be able to sell Privacy to the end users, and if there is any significant breach of that, they lose trust, ads, and really profits all together. (Basically if no one trusts their data with Google, no one will use it)

    Personally, I'd say Google is outright honest with what they do. They don't make up the "Google Man" false advertising, as Microsoft does the exact same thing that they said Google does, but Microsoft only does it for Spam fighting, while Google does it for Spam and ads. No person would likely be able to read all that data.

    Also, up until recently, if I wanted an XB1, I would have to have a device in my house listening to *everything* I said.

    There is also this, that Microsoft read a former employee's email by hand (albeit to check that the employee leaked Windows 7 and 8):
    Microsoft scans blogger's Hotmail account to track down Windows 8 leaker | The Verge

    Personally, Google sells ads, and privacy as they can't sell ads without privacy. Microsoft sells software. It's really who you trust more. I like Google's services, and I vastly prefer their search to Bing, but I do like my Lumia as well. I don't like F.U.D. though.
    Thanks bobbob1016, for your response. Kudos to you for taking a rational approach which at least attempts to address my position.

    Time is short for me right now, so I'll answer properly tomorrow.

    Regards, Ian. :-)
    05-27-2014 03:42 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    Wow, I make some really great threads!
    05-27-2014 04:24 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Wow, I make some really great threads!
    Don't throw out your shoulder patting yourself on the back. :-)


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    05-27-2014 04:30 PM
  15. AndrewL920's Avatar
    What I hate about Android: Laggy unless you buy an expensive phone with higher specs.
    What I hate about Apple: Overpriced, overpriced and overpriced.
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    05-27-2014 04:42 PM
  16. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I've wanted to visit it ever since I read this literary masterpiece by Dave Barry years ago.
    One of the few things I used to look forward to was reading Dave's articles in Tropic Magazine, which was included with the Sunday Herald.
    05-27-2014 05:37 PM
  17. fatclue_98's Avatar
    What I hate about Android: Laggy unless you buy an expensive phone with higher specs.
    What I hate about Apple: Overpriced, overpriced and overpriced.
    Very insightful post. I hope it didn't take you longer than 30 seconds for that nugget of originality.
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    05-27-2014 05:38 PM
  18. A895's Avatar
    What I hate about Android: Laggy unless you buy an expensive phone with higher specs.
    What I hate about Apple: Overpriced, overpriced and overpriced.
    Most unoriginal post on this thread yet.

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    05-27-2014 06:39 PM
  19. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Come on, you worth for Google don't you. :-)
    No doubt a Google intern working hard for some free apps, a college credit, or some tasty eats from the food court.
    05-27-2014 09:04 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    No doubt a Google intern working hard for some free apps, a college credit, or some tasty eats from the food court.
    Not even funny.

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    05-27-2014 10:30 PM
  21. Infamy79's Avatar
    The title of this thread is hilarious if not somewhat disturbing. Every company allows you to provide user data back to them for improving user experience, however Google gives you no control over this and specifically mines ALL your data that you use on their services to drive their core business of advertising. The almost make no money on anything else so everything they do is about their advertising revenue.

    I don't hate Google, I despise them and their business practices. Not only do they go through your data for advertising purposes, but they have blatantly stolen technology from many companies to build their other products and also are leveraging their power in the search space to try and kill off their competitors or build their own alternatives. I am astounded that the EU has not cracked down on their practices more than they have so far, but I think they are gun shy of going too hard after the the Microsoft IE punishment was too hard.

    I know Microsoft did many bad things in the 90s, but they were punished for them very heavily, I'd like to see the same happen to Google to make them pull their heads in.

    Facebook may also use your personal data to provide you with advertising, but that is only the information you have chosen to give them when you share your information on Facebook. They don't go through all your emails, files or internet browsing history like Google does.

    Google is evil and I hate them.
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    05-28-2014 12:33 AM
  22. tgp's Avatar
    I don't hate Google
    Google is evil and I hate them.
    Huh?
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    05-28-2014 12:53 AM
  23. Dantekai14's Avatar
    The title of this thread is hilarious if not somewhat disturbing. Every company allows you to provide user data back to them for improving user experience, however Google gives you no control over this and specifically mines ALL your data that you use on their services to drive their core business of advertising. The almost make no money on anything else so everything they do is about their advertising revenue.

    I don't hate Google, I despise them and their business practices. Not only do they go through your data for advertising purposes, but they have blatantly stolen technology from many companies to build their other products and also are leveraging their power in the search space to try and kill off their competitors or build their own alternatives. I am astounded that the EU has not cracked down on their practices more than they have so far, but I think they are gun shy of going too hard after the the Microsoft IE punishment was too hard.

    I know Microsoft did many bad things in the 90s, but they were punished for them very heavily, I'd like to see the same happen to Google to make them pull their heads in.

    Facebook may also use your personal data to provide you with advertising, but that is only the information you have chosen to give them when you share your information on Facebook. They don't go through all your emails, files or internet browsing history like Google does.

    Google is evil and I hate them.
    I don't understand what problem arises if Google stole your data.
    Do they robbed your bank?
    Do Google share your info with your family or friends or your relatives?

    I still don't know what exactly your fear
    Is?
    05-28-2014 03:29 AM
  24. A895's Avatar
    The title of this thread is hilarious if not somewhat disturbing. Every company allows you to provide user data back to them for improving user experience, however Google gives you no control over this and specifically mines ALL your data that you use on their services to drive their core business of advertising. The almost make no money on anything else so everything they do is about their advertising revenue.

    I don't hate Google, I despise them and their business practices. Not only do they go through your data for advertising purposes, but they have blatantly stolen technology from many companies to build their other products and also are leveraging their power in the search space to try and kill off their competitors or build their own alternatives. I am astounded that the EU has not cracked down on their practices more than they have so far, but I think they are gun shy of going too hard after the the Microsoft IE punishment was too hard.

    I know Microsoft did many bad things in the 90s, but they were punished for them very heavily, I'd like to see the same happen to Google to make them pull their heads in.

    Facebook may also use your personal data to provide you with advertising, but that is only the information you have chosen to give them when you share your information on Facebook. They don't go through all your emails, files or internet browsing history like Google does.

    Google is evil and I hate them.
    You can change what stuff Google has access to and privatize your data. I don't know why people keep saying they just steal stuff, they don't. They have data to whatever YOU give them. That "Google steals all my data" line is now old and a lie.

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    05-28-2014 04:35 AM
  25. bobbob1016's Avatar
    What I hate about Android: Laggy unless you buy an expensive phone with higher specs.
    What I hate about Apple: Overpriced, overpriced and overpriced.
    Quick! Take this comment to AndroidCentral! You'll be able to prove to get them all to switch over! You have so many charts, and so much evidence, no one will be able to refute it!

    I have yet to notice lag on anything, but maybe that's because I've had Comcast Xfinity boasts no "buffering" when playing a video game. This is how intelligent Comcast thinks their "gamer" audience is. Pathetic. : videos (really I don't have them, nor would I, but your statement is similar to theirs)
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    05-28-2014 06:38 AM
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