Please stop hating Google, they only spy on us to improve our experience

[A895]

i see you have dug up an article like this but have you attempted to read it? it clearly states that they went through a bloggers emails to catch a leaker , someone who was spilling the beans on their newer tech etc
so they are actually in the right when they tried to catch an abuser of their policies unlike google who sells your info to some strange ad company and often its spam or "dirty" even for legit searches it will get double meaning ads

Stop spreading FUD. They don't sell you data to ad companies. Why have you not just Binged how the make money by now?

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[mjrtoo]

Stop spreading FUD. They don't sell you data to ad companies. Why have you not just Binged how the make money by now?

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Come on, you worth for Google don't you.

 

[A895]

Come on, you worth for Google don't you.

*work

No, I am not going to sit here while FUD gets thrown about Google when you are on the internet, you can literally search how does Google make money and get good results.



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[MDMcAtee]

Stop spreading FUD. They don't sell you data to ad companies. Why have you not just Binged how the make money by now?

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Yes they do,but indirectly.

It's called Adword and Adsense.

If you bothered to actually read how they make 96% of their revenue stream and how they utilized their data mining you would understand this.

They take data off their servers from your using their services and auction this to those businesses willing to pay for them.


So yes,they are selling yours mine and anyone else's data.

You can argue for it as being beneficial,but don't be naive enough to think that they don't when in fact that is exactly what they do.

Privacy is a very great concern to all of us.Just because you don't care,doesn't mean that the rest of us don't.

Mac

 

[bobbob1016]

i see you have dug up an article like this but have you attempted to read it? it clearly states that they went through a bloggers emails to catch a leaker , someone who was spilling the beans on their newer tech etc
so they are actually in the right when they tried to catch an abuser of their policies unlike google who sells your info to some strange ad company and often its spam or "dirty" even for legit searches it will get double meaning ads

Do you even know how Google gets ads? What you described is how Facebook does it. Google sells ads like ebay. Google retains 100% of the actual data. They say "50,000 people searched for "Best Dentist in New York" we'll start the bidding to be ad, not top result, at $1000. That is how it happens. Point blank, done.

The article says they did it to catch a leaker, yes. They didn't do it through legal channels. What's to stop them from saying "We donated 50 million to politician X, we have every right to see who donated to politician Y in our company as that goes against our corporate stance." They have since said they'll go through proper channels, and get a subpoena, but still.

 

[bobbob1016]

Yes they do,but indirectly.

It's called Adword and Adsense.

If you bothered to actually read how they make 96% of their revenue stream and how they utilized their data mining you would understand this.

They take data off their servers from your using their services and auction this to those businesses willing to pay for them.


So yes,they are selling yours mine and anyone else's data.

You can argue for it as being beneficial,but don't be naive enough to think that they don't when in fact that is exactly what they do.

Privacy is a very great concern to all of us.Just because you don't care,doesn't mean that the rest of us don't.

Mac

They don't sell your data, they add you as a number saying "We have 50,000 people searching for X, lets start the bidding at $1000". They never say "MDMcAtee searched for F.U.D." even though you seem to have.

 

[fatclue_98]

Microsoft never had a chance at taking Android in the first place. No one does in reality. If anything Microsoft should focus on building on what they have instead of focusing on taking either one of them.

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Not so fast, history has shown that it can happen. There was a time when BlackBerry (RIM) had a tighter stranglehold on the smartphone market. There was a time when Nokia ruled the sales charts. I'm certainly not implying that WP is going to be the OS that unseats Android, but Android shouldn't rest on its laurels or think it'll be king forever. Just ask General Motors.

 

[Chregu]

Not so fast, history has shown that it can happen. There was a time when BlackBerry (RIM) had a tighter stranglehold on the smartphone market. There was a time when Nokia ruled the sales charts. I'm certainly not implying that WP is going to be the OS that unseats Android, but Android shouldn't rest on its laurels or think it'll be king forever. Just ask General Motors.

Things can change within few years, that's true. Usually these things change not out of nothing though. Nokia was leading in selling dumb-phones, then Apple came along and produced a pretty dumb smartphone targeting the common user, when Microsoft still was thinking a smartphone has to be a little computer and only business user would ever want it. Apple changed the market with this approach, but targeted only the highest price class. Google took the opportunity and filled in the rest of the market share with Android devices while only attacking the highest price class partially. And that's were we are now.

Microsoft doesn't really do something new or better. Just as good might not cut it.

But in general I agree with you, things can change very fast.

 

[fatclue_98]

No, it's valid, and opinion. What everyone has been saying is value is relative. Personally, I don't care about the construction of the phone as if I'm going to use a case, who cares? 64 bit in a phone doesn't make much sense yet either. I like NFC and Wireless charging, I think those have more value as they're more functional. Here's a case and point:
http://www.vaautoracing.org/images4/RiceBurner2.JPG
Someone gives this car a lot of value. I don't, as I *hate* imports. If I had this car as stock, I'd gladly trade it for a muscle car (that was in decent condition), even if the resell value of the muscle car was much less, because personally, I value a good Mustang (even a foxbody) over any import any day.

Tl;dr, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

I think we can agree or disagree on just about any subject. But I will not allow you to diss Fox-bodied Mustangs in that fashion. 15 lashes with a header pipe for you.

 

[MDMcAtee]

They don't sell your data, they add you as a number saying "We have 50,000 people searching for X, lets start the bidding at $1000". They never say "MDMcAtee searched for F.U.D." even though you seem to have.

Wrong....

If I get spam in my email from some of these companies as a direct result of their data mining on my account,which has happened plenty of times...they are invading my privacy,and have sold my data to a 2nd and 3rd party.

Think again....it's all automatically done,when a business signs up........

Google's business model does this which is why they are making money hand over fist on it.

You have no privacy policy....you agree to it when you signed up for the services.

 

[lcw731]

Lambs to the slaughter? Are we talking about smartphones here or some weird, satanic ritual, lol.

When talking about Google, it's the same thing.





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[lcw731]

It does benefit the user. Take for example if you let Google Now scan your gmail and then if you have an upcoming flight, it'll display the flight info and ticket number directly in Google Now.

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While also displaying a ad for Viagra because your best friend from high school jokingly called you limp d**k.





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[bobbob1016]

Wrong....

If I get spam in my email from some of these companies as a direct result of their data mining on my account,which has happened plenty of times...they are invading my privacy,and have sold my data to a 2nd and 3rd party.

Think again....it's all automatically done,when a business signs up........

Google's business model does this which is why they are making money hand over fist on it.

You have no privacy policy....you agree to it when you signed up for the services.

No. That is wrong from the start. You know spam email is way older than Google, right? And older than Data Mining, right? You put your email on a third party site, and they sold your address, not Google.

Do you get any spam to your Outlook/Hotmail? If you don't, my follow up is, have you ever entered that email address anywhere apart from a friend's contact list? Even then, it's possible they could have their contacts hacked, and then your email is in a spammer's hands.

"Google's business model does this which is why they are making money hand over fist on it." as is Microsoft.

"You have no privacy policy....you agree to it when you signed up for the services." You have no sentence structure, as the first part of that contradicts the second part. I either don't have one, or I agreed to the policy, which is it?

 

[A895]

Yes they do,but indirectly.

It's called Adword and Adsense.

If you bothered to actually read how they make 96% of their revenue stream and how they utilized their data mining you would understand this.

They take data off their servers from your using their services and auction this to those businesses willing to pay for them.


So yes,they are selling yours mine and anyone else's data.

You can argue for it as being beneficial,but don't be naive enough to think that they don't when in fact that is exactly what they do.

Privacy is a very great concern to all of us.Just because you don't care,doesn't mean that the rest of us don't.

Mac

No they don't! I can't with this forum.

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[A895]

Not so fast, history has shown that it can happen. There was a time when BlackBerry (RIM) had a tighter stranglehold on the smartphone market. There was a time when Nokia ruled the sales charts. I'm certainly not implying that WP is going to be the OS that unseats Android, but Android shouldn't rest on its laurels or think it'll be king forever. Just ask General Motors.

Its not resting in its laurels though.

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[A895]

Wrong....

If I get spam in my email from some of these companies as a direct result of their data mining on my account,which has happened plenty of times...they are invading my privacy,and have sold my data to a 2nd and 3rd party.

Think again....it's all automatically done,when a business signs up........

Google's business model does this which is why they are making money hand over fist on it.

You have no privacy policy....you agree to it when you signed up for the services.

They don't data mine. I thought you were knowledgeable, and you can google or bing the info. Stop guessing.

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[A895]

When talking about Google, it's the same thing.





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It's not but Ok.

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[A895]

While also displaying a ad for Viagra because your best friend from high school jokingly called you limp d**k.





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No.

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[fatclue_98]

Folks, riddle me this. What did people do prior to Google? I know the answer but I want to see some other responses. I'll give you a hint, you don't need Google to have a happy, productive life. In fact, you don't even need to have Google services on your Android phone. YES!!!! It's possible!!! Mine eyes have seen the glory!!!

 

[bobbob1016]

While also displaying a ad for Viagra because your best friend from high school jokingly called you limp d**k.

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I may have to disagree with A895 slightly, as technically, yes, they would show you that. If that is the *only* email you have ever sent. Otherwise other words and phrases would be much higher on their ad queue.