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  1. CSJr1's Avatar
    I'm about to rant in this thread. These threads are annoying. If you prefer windows phone that's great, but lets be serious. The issues we are having with WP right now are seriously unacceptable. How can you say that IOS is not as good as WP when all of their first party apps work flawlessly (Xbox music?). Apple releases a new version of their OS and they usually don't completely break their existing apps. I am starting to think this MS apologist thing is real....
    As previous post suggests, do not put blinders on when citing the flawlessness of iOS. iOS has broken their reception, their maps, their security, and even camera tints before updates. Seriously unacceptable is in the eye of the beholder.
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    06-11-2014 12:21 PM
  2. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    I'm about to rant in this thread. These threads are annoying. If you prefer windows phone that's great, but lets be serious. The issues we are having with WP right now are seriously unacceptable. How can you say that IOS is not as good as WP when all of their first party apps work flawlessly (Xbox music?). Apple releases a new version of their OS and they usually don't completely break their existing apps. I am starting to think this MS apologist thing is real....
    Microsoft releases updates for specific apps at a time. That is something I've never seen Apple do the entire time I was with them. If Apple updates one app then it's part of an update for a few things so instead of getting the fix you want you must wait until they compound it and call it a new IOS. What IOS 8 is would have just been a notification update, a keyboard update and a separate messenger update if that was Microsoft... All during the developer preview.
    06-11-2014 02:15 PM
  3. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    And as far as better built software... Up until last month when I switched from Apple I had the same email glitch that would cause my entire inbox to disappear. A bug that still never got fixed.
    06-11-2014 02:17 PM
  4. twint7787's Avatar
    Flawlessly was the wrong word to use but I've been off and on with windows phone since 2011 and its literally been the same song and dance. Apple has absolutely had their mistakes but some of them, like maps, are for business reasons. And apple also wrote an entirely new language plus rolled out their continuity software so IOS 8 was a little bit more than just a keyboard, messenger, and notification update...
    MS support of their own platform is sad. Idk why some of you can't be critical of MS, it's maddening. And is 8.1 not rolling out right now with a couple of phones? When you think about that its kind of ridiculous. Would Apple or Google ever release that kind of quality?
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    06-11-2014 05:29 PM
  5. twint7787's Avatar
    Microsoft releases updates for specific apps at a time. That is something I've never seen Apple do the entire time I was with them. If Apple updates one app then it's part of an update for a few things so instead of getting the fix you want you must wait until they compound it.
    Dude MS literally just started doing this with WP.
    06-11-2014 05:37 PM
  6. Will6371's Avatar
    Oh yeah? How do you know this?
    Probably because he reads news reports about WP

    There has been numerous reports about it.
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    06-11-2014 06:24 PM
  7. ohgood's Avatar
    WP will have interactive live tiles coming up in the next update ... What will ios say to that ....
    what is an interactive tile?
    06-11-2014 06:27 PM
  8. spaulagain's Avatar
    what is an interactive tile?
    Tiles that have UI elements, like play/pause on a music tile.
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    06-11-2014 06:36 PM
  9. spaulagain's Avatar
    Dude MS literally just started doing this with WP.
    Dude, iOS just started doing interactive notifications, predictive text, etc. If we're comparing iOS8 to WP8.1, then lets be fair and include recently added features.
    06-11-2014 06:42 PM
  10. spaulagain's Avatar
    All the pro iOS folks, does iOS have resizable live tiles? An alphabetical app list? Allow you to pin specific pages in apps and websites to their start screen? A native file explorer? I could go on and on.

    I think with 8.1, WP is on par with iOS8. Both have their advantages but neither is clearly ahead of the other.

    I think MS has the opportunity with WP9 to advance way past iOS.
    06-11-2014 06:46 PM
  11. twint7787's Avatar
    Probably because he reads news reports about WP

    There has been numerous reports about it.
    no there hasn't. There was one video where Microsoft research was showing it in Windows. Not windows phone. And to my knowledge there hasn't been amy good evidence that it is coming.
    06-11-2014 07:23 PM
  12. twint7787's Avatar
    All the pro iOS folks, does iOS have resizable live tiles? An alphabetical app list? Allow you to pin specific pages in apps and websites to their start screen? A native file explorer? I could go on and on.

    I think with 8.1, WP is on par with iOS8. Both have their advantages but neither is clearly ahead of the other.

    I think MS has the opportunity with WP9 to advance way past iOS.
    I'm not sure you're understanding my frustration. I'm not pro IOS. But the quality of the product that Microsoft has been pushing out is more of the mantra of ship it first and fix it later. I love the benefits of WP and that's why I have one lol. But your last sentence really sums it up. You're waiting for windows 9 and before that people were waiting for windows 8.
    Again, you are coming to Microsoft's defense. Why? They don't pay your bills or put food in your mouth. I'm a customer and I want to have a polished product. And yeah I know no one is forcing me to use a windows phone, but I would actually like to see them succeed. However, at this rate, with 3% in the US they can't be putting out an unpolished product I'm sorry. Hence why I said in my first comment it was a rant.
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    06-11-2014 07:32 PM
  13. spaulagain's Avatar
    I'm not sure you're understanding my frustration. I'm not pro IOS. But the quality of the product that Microsoft has been pushing out is more of the mantra of ship it first and fix it later. I love the benefits of WP and that's why I have one lol. But your last sentence really sums it up. You're waiting for windows 9 and before that people were waiting for windows 8.
    Again, you are coming to Microsoft's defense. Why? They don't pay your bills or put food in your mouth. I'm a customer and I want to have a polished product. And yeah I know no one is forcing me to use a windows phone, but I would actually like to see them succeed. However, at this rate, with 3% in the US they can't be putting out an unpolished product I'm sorry. Hence why I said in my first comment it was a rant.
    WP8.1 is very solid. Not sure what you mean by ship it first. Most companies are doing that now as an agile process allows for faster rollouts. But also means more room/opportunities for bugs.

    I'm not waiting for WP9. Like I said in my post, WP8.1 makes it on par with iOS7 and even 8. WP should make it surpass iOS. That's not waiting, that's advancing.

    On one hand you're complaining MS is shipping too fast resulting in buggy or half assed releases. On the otherhand you're complaining they are still "behind" iOS. So how are they supposed to catch up and surpass IOS with that mentality?

    I'm sorry but Apple Maps and Antennagate are far bigger ship first fix later debacles than anything MS has done with WP.
    06-11-2014 07:40 PM
  14. spaulagain's Avatar
    BTW, I'm defending Microsoft because IMO, this is the first time in 20 years Microsoft is truly innovating and advancing their products. Not to mention they are doing it with great care and attention to design and user experience. Something they've pretty much ignored for almost their entire lifespan.

    They aren't perfect, Windows 8 forced too much onto users at once. But they are adjusting and really moving forward in a direction that makes sense.
    06-11-2014 07:47 PM
  15. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    As much as I love the WP 8.1 OS we still cannot hold a candle to iOS until bugs like Xbox Music get fixed and truly run smooth again. Windows Phone I will argue though in many ways is superior to Android (performance wise not App wise) when the lag, and viruses are considered. The only gripe with iOS is if's customization and utilities, Apple holds certain advantages by controlling both their hardware and software but also some disadvantages by way of pricing and product portfolio size.

    Windows Phone is the happy medium between two OS extremes: iOS the strict but polished system and Android the more open customization but sometimes problematic security issues. WP kinda gives you a hybrid of both. I'll reserve judgment until the official WP8.1 debuts, but until then iOS remains the most refined and polished OS.
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    06-11-2014 08:05 PM
  16. Christopher Lindsay's Avatar
    As much as I love the WP 8.1 OS we still cannot hold a candle to iOS until bugs like Xbox Music get fixed and truly run smooth again. Windows Phone I will argue though in many ways is superior to Android (performance wise not App wise) when the lag, and viruses are considered. The only gripe with iOS is if's customization and utilities, Apple holds certain advantages by controlling both their hardware and software but also some disadvantages by way of pricing and product portfolio size.

    Windows Phone is the happy medium between two OS extremes: iOS the strict but polished system and Android the more open customization but sometimes problematic security issues. WP kinda gives you a hybrid of both. I'll reserve judgment until the official WP8.1 debuts, but until then iOS remains the most refined and polished OS.
    I'd rather have a bad Xbox music app in progress than constantly have to restart my iPhone because I've lost all my emails or iTunes goes full retard and loses everything and I have to set up my library all over again just to sync my phone.
    06-11-2014 08:52 PM
  17. maj71303's Avatar
    Here is a sample rant I have toward WP8 as I enjoy all 3 of these ecosystems but I don't fan boy or sugar coat there problems. Here is my rant on WP8 and I do own several WP8 device but as far as being better than iOS 8 or Android right now.........bad news. Like another poster posted it doesn't hold a candle to them right now.

    I can go over the pros and cons of all the ecosystems and it doesn't make a difference. MS lacks what the others have to a strong degree but the big thing for me leaving was that MS forsakes it's own ecosystem as far as apps go. I'm not talking about other Devs i'm taking about MS own apps themselves.

    It is just ridicules that MS own apps look and function so bad on their own ecosystem. Even Apple & Google don't forsake there own apps made for there own platform. MS just pisses me off when Skype, one note, office to a degree, outlook, xbox music, and others are worlds better on the competitions platform. But your own platform these apps run like plain old **** and have limited functionality at best except for office.

    MS just does us WP8 user wrongly with crap like that. Sorry to say like some already have, how is a Dev suppose to take WP8 seriously when MS doesn't put full effort into it themselves. Your apps on your platform are suppose to really outshine the others on your competitors platform, not be a lower priority on your own platform. Why will users change to WP8 if MS own apps are better on the opposing platforms. If it wasn't for BB taking a nose dive to a degree WP8 would be 4th place in my opinion.

    I don't even think MS can even cover the ground that the big 2 have now on them. This one big update once a year isn't going to do it either. They need to make the updates smaller and if need be break the WP8 up into smaller pieces that can be updated from the Microsoft store. Even Google learned if you can't force the update issue like apple then break the OS down into update-able apps to get around these carriers and OEM's.

    It takes MS to long to figure things out and then they don't even execute right. I don't by the excuse that they are just getting into this as if I recall I had a windows Mobile phone before Apple or Google even entered the smartphone market. It's almost like they learned nothing and they were making smartphones before everyone else did. Like I said I don't think they can make up the difference the other 2 have, and it wouldn't surprise me if BB roars back past MS.
    06-11-2014 08:55 PM
  18. dlalonde's Avatar
    BTW, I'm defending Microsoft because IMO, this is the first time in 20 years Microsoft is truly innovating and advancing their products. Not to mention they are doing it with great care and attention to design and user experience. Something they've pretty much ignored for almost their entire lifespan.

    They aren't perfect, Windows 8 forced too much onto users at once. But they are adjusting and really moving forward in a direction that makes sense.
    Maybe so but be careful how you react. It's not because we're not trashing iOS that we're "pro-iOS". WP is not perfect and neither is iOS. They both have their pros and cons. Becoming a fanboy is trivial especially since we're not talking about politics, religions or values but a phone!
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    06-11-2014 09:10 PM
  19. twint7787's Avatar
    On one hand you're complaining MS is shipping too fast resulting in buggy or half assed releases. On the otherhand you're complaining they are still "behind" iOS. So how are they supposed to catch up and surpass IOS with that mentality?

    I'm sorry but Apple Maps and Antennagate are far bigger ship first fix later debacles than anything MS has done with WP.
    Again, you are also sounding like an apologist. I'm not saying Microsoft is 'behind'. I have never said that in this thread. What I am saying to you is that the company who has almost next to zero market share should not distribute an unpolished product in my opinion. Also IMO Apple can afford missteps like antenna-gate and maps, and maps was a business decision as they want to distance themselves from Google.
    For the record, my initial comment was regarding someone saying that IOS 8 is not as good as WP 8.1. Which IMO sounds slightly fan-boyish. I desperately want MS to succeed and make an amazing product but I have doubts when clearly they need to survive as a company, and they are focusing on being multiplatform. WP will be the platform that suffers as we have the smallest user base.
    Also how can you say that releasing minor 'buggy' updates is better than releasing one well polished update (hypothetically speaking)?
    06-11-2014 09:24 PM
  20. boxa72's Avatar
    no there hasn't. There was one video where Microsoft research was showing it in Windows. Not windows phone. And to my knowledge there hasn't been amy good evidence that it is coming.
    Bro they've even spoken about it on this very site!
    06-11-2014 09:40 PM
  21. twint7787's Avatar
    Bro they've even spoken about it on this very site!
    http://www.windowscentral.com/micros...-tiles-windows
    This is the only article I have seen on this site about it, besides references to whatever kind of tech McLaren will have. However this is about windows and not WP. So even though I hope they do something like this, you can't say that it is coming without some type of evidence otherwise it is a rumor and needs to be stated as such.
    06-11-2014 09:48 PM
  22. csiguy1's Avatar
    Fantastic video, will this be built into a upcoming version of Windows?
    06-11-2014 10:13 PM
  23. Sawan Tank's Avatar
    What is Microsoft doing nowadays for WP 8.1 update official release?? Isn't it already created?? If they are adding new improvements to Official updates, we(Developer preview members) would get it???
    06-11-2014 10:20 PM
  24. chezm's Avatar
    WP is getting there, but not as stable as iOS yet. I still prefer WP and personally love it over iOS.
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    06-11-2014 10:28 PM
  25. Chregu's Avatar
    All the pro iOS folks, does iOS have resizable live tiles? An alphabetical app list? Allow you to pin specific pages in apps and websites to their start screen? A native file explorer? I could go on and on.

    I think with 8.1, WP is on par with iOS8. Both have their advantages but neither is clearly ahead of the other.

    I think MS has the opportunity with WP9 to advance way past iOS.
    This is really funny. Most people complain about the alphabetic app list, you try to sell it as innovation. iOS has a search that opens with a gesture and searches for your app. In my opinion that's better than swiping, clicking on a letter, search for the right letter, clicking it again, search for the right app.

    Then the resizable tiles. They are nice but in terms of feature the don't offer too much. At least not for me. In iOS message previews are on the lock screen, calendar previews in the notification center. There are live tiles offering advantages iOS can not, but they have little to do with them being resizable.

    On iOS I open Safari and have homepage short-cuts there. It's one click instead of scrolling.

    And just as an information, I'm using Windows Phone without exception since my Omnia 7, up to the 8X right now, and I have an iPad as direct comparison since a few weeks.
    06-12-2014 01:48 AM
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