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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    soooo, templates in Microsoft office is what you use it for? OK cool.




    as far as Google selling my information, when i Google my name, i only come up with a bunch of NASCAR racer stuff. that's a relief, because it proves the "Google is evil" theory wrong, and that racing in north America sucks.
    I'm with you on the racing comment. The largest racing circuit in this country only features 2 races per year where turning right is required.
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    07-05-2014 07:34 PM
  2. Brandon Tobias's Avatar
    well i left andriod for Windows Phone and its APPs for me, The loading / Resuming thing is annoying and the OS lacking features ...
    really miss my apps windows 8.1 has some nice things yes but it still a bit behind.
    overall its a nice experience though must admit.
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    07-05-2014 08:50 PM
  3. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    soooo, templates in Microsoft office is what you use it for? OK cool.

    as far as Google selling my information, when i Google my name, i only come up with a bunch of NASCAR racer stuff. that's a relief, because it proves the "Google is evil" theory wrong, and that racing in north America sucks.
    Gee, when I search on my name, a bazillion forum comments shows up. But that's not how Google collects and uses user data. Let's say an advertiser comes to Google and says I want my ads to display to users in the XXXXX zip code whenever they use G search. Google comes back and says we have N users in that zip code and their highest usage is on Saturdays and Wednesday evenings. If you wish to target those users on those days, it will cost you $$$. Yes, Bing does this too. But here's the difference...

    Google's TOS also says they'll collect data about your phone calls, where you are when you call, who you call, how long you talk, etc. Moreover, if you use their online services (aka candy from strangers), they'll use the information they collect about you when you do that too. They make no bones about being an advertising company. Almost all of their revenue comes from selling information to advertisers ($55 BILLION last year). You're not their customer, you're their product. They don't provide services to sell you a new OS, software subscriptions, etc. They provide services so they can provide advertisers with aggregate data about the people who use their services.

    Other than the phone service tracking (which to me is too invasive), they only provide advertisers with aggregate data. Every internet website/service for which you sign up can identify you by name and IP address (stealth browsing services aside). I just object to a company that claims to be providing a service to me when in reality, they are pimping me to advertisers.

    BTW, did you know that Google went to a pay-to-play model in the US about 2 years ago and in several other countries last year? When you search for a product, all the search results with pictures (i.e., the Shopping Box) are paid advertisers. So you definitely may not see the best deal available.

    Google Product Search To Become Google Shopping, Use Pay-To-Play Model

    Google Switches To Paid Shopping Results In 11 New Countries

    I don't think Google is evil, just manipulative and smarter than the average user.
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    07-06-2014 06:28 PM
  4. ohgood's Avatar
    Gee, when I search on my name, a bazillion forum comments shows up. But that's not how Google collects and uses user data. Let's say an advertiser comes to Google and says I want my ads to display to users in the XXXXX zip code whenever they use G search. Google comes back and says we have N users in that zip code and their highest usage is on Saturdays and Wednesday evenings. If you wish to target those users on those days, it will cost you $$$. Yes, Bing does this too. But here's the difference...

    Google's TOS also says they'll collect data about your phone calls, where you are when you call, who you call, how long you talk, etc. Moreover, if you use their online services (aka candy from strangers), they'll use the information they collect about you when you do that too. They make no bones about being an advertising company. Almost all of their revenue comes from selling information to advertisers ($55 BILLION last year). You're not their customer, you're their product. They don't provide services to sell you a new OS, software subscriptions, etc. They provide services so they can provide advertisers with aggregate data about the people who use their services.

    Other than the phone service tracking (which to me is too invasive), they only provide advertisers with aggregate data. Every internet website/service for which you sign up can identify you by name and IP address (stealth browsing services aside). I just object to a company that claims to be providing a service to me when in reality, they are pimping me to advertisers.

    BTW, did you know that Google went to a pay-to-play model in the US about 2 years ago and in several other countries last year? When you search for a product, all the search results with pictures (i.e., the Shopping Box) are paid advertisers. So you definitely may not see the best deal available.

    Google Product Search To Become Google Shopping, Use Pay-To-Play Model

    Google Switches To Paid Shopping Results In 11 New Countries

    I don't think Google is evil, just manipulative and smarter than the average user.
    sounds like a smart way to build a multi billion dollar advertising business to me.

    I have zero ads, in my browser, in my search results, popping up in my email client, anywhere.


    the government sells my name, address, income level, race, sex, everything about me to advertisers, I get a while lot more spam from the government than from my search indexes, either Yahoo, Google, or the off chance I try Bing again.
    07-06-2014 08:51 PM
  5. chezm's Avatar
    I honestly cannot confidently suggest people to switch to WP from iOS or Android, i like the OS but its definitely for specific types, not everyone likes the start screen when i show off my 1020.
    07-06-2014 09:23 PM
  6. Craigtrain's Avatar
    Google's TOS also says they'll collect data about your phone calls, where you are when you call, who you call, how long you talk, etc.
    Google doesn't collect data about your phone calls, or track your phone calls.
    07-07-2014 02:35 AM
  7. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    Google doesn't collect data about your phone calls, or track your phone calls.
    Uh, yeah, they do. Android is not as open-source as you think...

    From Google's Privacy Policy (https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/):

    "When you use our services or view content provided by Google, we may automatically collect and store certain information in server logs. This may include:
    ◾details of how you used our service, such as your search queries.
    ◾telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls.
    ◾Internet protocol address.
    ◾device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL.
    ◾cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account."
    07-07-2014 04:35 AM
  8. ohgood's Avatar
    Uh, yeah, they do. Android is not as open-source as you think...

    From Google's Privacy Policy (https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/):

    "When you use our services or view content provided by Google, we may automatically collect and store certain information in server logs. This may include:
    ◾details of how you used our service, such as your search queries.
    ◾telephony log information like your phone number, calling-party number, forwarding numbers, time and date of calls, duration of calls, SMS routing information and types of calls.
    ◾Internet protocol address.
    ◾device event information such as crashes, system activity, hardware settings, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your request and referral URL.
    ◾cookies that may uniquely identify your browser or your Google Account."
    its a CELLULAR PHONE, of course that will be collected, by:

    1 the phone
    2 cell tower
    3 land line switches
    4 intermediate servers
    5 backbones
    6 main servers
    7 the NSA, somewhere in there (first time)
    8 the FBI (similar)
    9 an search company (Google, yahoo, bing, whoever)
    10 grandmas WiFi router

    if you thing the operating system you plug into a cellular or WiFi router makes it more "secure" , you're hopeless.


    the terms of service are what whoever wrote them a month ago wants you to submit to. it changes by the hour, day, week, on a whim. its a piece of paper blowing in the wind. the data still IS captured, stored, backed up in triplicate, of course unless it can get you out of jail or prosecution.... then it just gets deleted accidentally.
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    07-07-2014 05:36 AM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Forget Google, what are the carriers doing with your info? They're no angels either.

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    07-07-2014 10:38 AM
  10. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    its a CELLULAR PHONE, of course that will be collected, by:

    1 the phone
    2 cell tower
    3 land line switches
    4 intermediate servers
    5 backbones
    6 main servers
    7 the NSA, somewhere in there (first time)
    8 the FBI (similar)
    9 an search company (Google, yahoo, bing, whoever)
    10 grandmas WiFi router

    if you thing the operating system you plug into a cellular or WiFi router makes it more "secure" , you're hopeless.


    the terms of service are what whoever wrote them a month ago wants you to submit to. it changes by the hour, day, week, on a whim. its a piece of paper blowing in the wind. the data still IS captured, stored, backed up in triplicate, of course unless it can get you out of jail or prosecution.... then it just gets deleted accidentally.
    I guess I am hopeless. I expect my carrier and all the hardware intermediaries between me and my BFF to need certain information to route the call and bill me. I am aggravated that the US Govt is collecting such data on American citizens without a warrant or probable cause. But I don't understand why an advertising company would need all that information about my phone calls (except to pimp it out), nor how they would get that.

    Unless I use an Android phone. Android is open source, you say. Really? Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary | Ars Technica. Take the time to read it.
    07-07-2014 10:44 AM
  11. Brandon Tobias's Avatar
    Another thing that keep me from windows phone is ecosystem.
    I'm using a 920 now and i want to run back to android so fast, in addition to the apps situation i find Microsoft's Native windows phone apps and Services feel like a afterthought Skype on android to me is more fully featured than on windows, the Calculator app seems to simple for me no scientific mode or features. No stock voice recording app, Alarms are a bit too simple etc, Mail app and Onedrive apps also feel a bit of a let down.

    This is where Microsoft can fix windows making Native Services and First Party apps the best experience on windows phone much like how Google services are exceptional on android and gets updates first before other platforms, just as BBM is exceptional on Blackberry 10 and has unique features only on BB10 OS.

    Google services also keeps me away as i kind of use it for school and have alot of accounts linked to Google.
    things needed are (Google Maps, Google +, G mail (or better handling of g mail through native windows phone mail app), Youtube with full functionality (smart TV integration etc) , Google Drive, integration with Google calendar, we dont need Google now (i love cortana she is better but needs work).
    i do use MS services but not as much as well as drop Box is a app that is dearly needed for me to live on windows.

    Other than that i love the facebook app just missing a few features i can live without (best built app i would say)
    07-07-2014 11:53 AM
  12. sdc1's Avatar
    When using the calculator app flip the phone to landscape and it opens scientific functions.
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    07-07-2014 12:00 PM
  13. ohgood's Avatar
    I guess I am hopeless. I expect my carrier and all the hardware intermediaries between me and my BFF to need certain information to route the call and bill me. I am aggravated that the US Govt is collecting such data on American citizens without a warrant or probable cause. But I don't understand why an advertising company would need all that information about my phone calls (except to pimp it out), nor how they would get that.

    Unless I use an Android phone. Android is open source, you say. Really? Google’s iron grip on Android: Controlling open source by any means necessary | Ars Technica. Take the time to read it.
    I'm not sure why you are focused on ' open source ' right now. I don't believe I've said anything about it in this thread.

    I share your annoyance with the govt snoops though.
    07-07-2014 04:45 PM
  14. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    I'm not sure why you are focused on ' open source ' right now. I don't believe I've said anything about it in this thread.

    I share your annoyance with the govt snoops though.
    Ohgood, many people think that Google has nothing to do with their Android phone unless they use Google "services," claiming that since Android is "open source," it's not under Google's control. So how or why would they be tracking phone calls? Do you see a legitimate business purpose for that?
    07-08-2014 05:59 AM
  15. Brandon Tobias's Avatar
    When using the calculator app flip the phone to landscape and it opens scientific functions.
    thanks but no portrait mode for scientific meh
    lol my accelerometer sensor has not worked since 8.1 beta so that wont work for me any ways (no landscape)
    07-08-2014 06:42 AM
  16. ohgood's Avatar
    Ohgood, many people think that Google has nothing to do with their Android phone unless they use Google "services," claiming that since Android is "open source," it's not under Google's control.

    1 So how or why would they be tracking phone calls?
    2 Do you see a legitimate business purpose for that?
    1 how, from the a) dialer application b) cell tower c) land line switches to d) Att servers back to e) land line switches f) cell tower g) dialer application on the other phone, I guess. doesn't matter whose os is running on the phone, they all have back doors

    2 why, I guess to father information and piece together the pieces after the next terror event? I dunno. any legitimate uses, yes, keeping track of employees uses of company property. otherwise, for private citizens just the normal big brother snooping. as far as Google, Apple and Microsoft doing it for legit reasons, no, I don't believe there is one, but they all do it just the same.
    07-08-2014 01:39 PM
  17. Al4video's Avatar
    Yeah I really didn't stop and think about not having my banking app. I bank at Arvest, and there's no app in the WP store. There's no local news apps either.
    I'm banking on a cheap Android tablet I had laying around. I did the Windows OS.
    07-08-2014 01:49 PM
  18. chezm's Avatar
    1 how, from the a) dialer application b) cell tower c) land line switches to d) Att servers back to e) land line switches f) cell tower g) dialer application on the other phone, I guess. doesn't matter whose os is running on the phone, they all have back doors

    2 why, I guess to father information and piece together the pieces after the next terror event? I dunno. any legitimate uses, yes, keeping track of employees uses of company property. otherwise, for private citizens just the normal big brother snooping. as far as Google, Apple and Microsoft doing it for legit reasons, no, I don't believe there is one, but they all do it just the same.
    Seriously? Come on bro, you went from speculation to now making blind assumptions that aren't facts. And no, there's no legit reason why anyone would need to harvest our personal information, the only reason is to sell the data to marketers. At least FB has the balls to admit it, if google and MS are doing its for benefits without our consent unlike FB who sneaks it into their user agreements.
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    07-08-2014 06:50 PM
  19. ohgood's Avatar
    Seriously? Come on bro, you went from speculation to now making blind assumptions that aren't facts. And no, there's no legit reason why anyone would need to harvest our personal information, the only reason is to sell the data to marketers. At least FB has the balls to admit it, if google and MS are doing its for benefits without our consent unlike FB who sneaks it into their user agreements.
    alphabetical order:

    Apple
    http://rt.com/usa/apple-nsa-ios-exploit-693/

    Google/same song
    http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-sec...galaxy-models/

    Microsoft:

    http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa_



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    07-08-2014 07:09 PM
  20. fatclue_98's Avatar
    So Google harvests data. Along with everybody else whether it's in their T&Cs or not. Would somebody please tell me in an intelligent, sensical way how to stop it? I don't want some utopian view of what's right or wrong, I want a practical way to stop the world's largest search engine from sticking their noses into our private data. Here's a tip: before answering, be coming up with a way to stop the next guy. Or the next after him, and so on.
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    07-08-2014 09:21 PM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    So Google harvests data. Along with everybody else whether it's in their T&Cs or not. Would somebody please tell me in an intelligent, sensical way how to stop it? I don't want some utopian view of what's right or wrong, I want a practical way to stop the world's largest search engine from sticking their noses into our private data. Here's a tip: before answering, be coming up with a way to stop the next guy. Or the next after him, and so on.
    Yes they all do it. It's just that Google is in the crosshairs right now because they're the biggest and best at it. Kind of like how Walmart is a target for how they treat their employees, but yet their direct competitors do pretty much the same thing and we don't hear much about them.

    Yesterday it was Microsoft. Today it's Google. Tomorrow it's someone else.
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    07-08-2014 09:31 PM
  22. ohgood's Avatar
    So Google harvests data. Along with everybody else whether it's in their T&Cs or not. Would somebody please tell me in an intelligent, sensical way how to stop it? I don't want some utopian view of what's right or wrong, I want a practical way to stop the world's largest search engine from sticking their noses into our private data. Here's a tip: before answering, be coming up with a way to stop the next guy. Or the next after him, and so on.
    log off, and it all goes away
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    07-09-2014 12:32 AM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    log off, and it all goes away
    I could care less. My query was aimed at the incessant whining on these boards.


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    07-09-2014 02:46 PM
  24. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    I could care less. My query was aimed at the incessant whining on these boards.


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    Wow. So a discussion about what is wrong with "free" services and underlying motives is "incessant whining." Okay, then. As Ohgood said, log off so you won't be subjected to my whining or anyone else's.

    BTW, the phrase is I couldn't care less. That means your level of interest is zero.
    07-10-2014 08:08 PM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Wow. So a discussion about what is wrong with "free" services and underlying motives is "incessant whining." Okay, then. As Ohgood said, log off so you won't be subjected to my whining or anyone else's.

    BTW, the phrase is I couldn't care less. That means your level of interest is zero.
    My comment wasn't directed at you per se considering I had never seen any of your posts before. Both you and ohgood failed to grasp my original question as to what to do about data mining. Nothing is truly free, there is usually a string attached. In the case of Google and others they want your info in return for their "free" services. Logging off as ohgood suggested is surely one alternative but "incessant whining" serves no purpose. It won't change a thing, let's be real. I can't fathom wasting so much energy on a hopeless cause. Personally, I have a "dummy" account on Google complete with fake name and fake address. While I realize this doesn't completely protect me, at least some vulnerability is mitigated.

    BTW, I actually typed this post instead of using voice dictation to avoid any could/couldn't mistakes. My bad for not proofreading. I may have graduated from HS some 30+ years ago but I'm still quite literate.


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    07-11-2014 10:32 AM
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