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  1. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    As the title says it all, feel free to discuss and argue over the limitations of each OS, the strengths and weaknesses right here, without the Gestapo mods closing the other threads lol(no offense :)

    Limitations of Android as compared to WP-

    I find many glaring flaws in Android-
    No official file manager.(Nexus, and some other phones).

    No moving apps to SD. (This was in 2.3, why did Google remove it? Are they crazy?) Also you can't uninstall system apps.

    Apps don't close. If you press the back button, the app exits, but keeps running in the background. You have to go to settings and close the app.WTH?

    Lag is present eventually, if not immediately(Samsung= king of lag. Yes, even nexus too. I've not reset my 620 since I bought it last June, and it is smoother than my cousin's year old nexus 5 bought last year, which I'm using right now. Project butter, and now Volta, how long will they keep promising, lets see...)

    My biggest gripe- No updates. (except for nexus, name a brand that updates both it's budget and high-end phones for greater than 2 years. None.)

    Security is lax. Need to install an anti virus. (Search ๐Ÿ” for antivirus on WP. No result). Open source= open to viruses.

    No advanced camera settings. Show me an app that can do manual focus, like Nokia camera.

    Phone gets heated when using 3g. (Of the 7 phones I've tested, all of them have this problem. Not my 620. Why?

    Low, laggy performance on budget devices, unlike WP. Why? Seven years and they couldn't solve this problem.

    Lack of a camera button. Even devices with a camera button are not so functional with it as compared to WP. The Lumia 930 will take a picture faster than a nexus 5, when both of them are locked, password protection on.

    Piracy is possible easily on Android. (In India, very few pay for apps on Android. For example, my friend sees that asphalt 7 is paid on his phone. What does he do? He searches - asphalt 7.apk download, and installs for free. Developers earnings depend upon these purchases. Why does Google do this?)

    No default call+SMS filter built in, have to install an app for that.

    No carrier billing.

    IRCTC and NTES apps are not available. Heck, you can't book train tickets with your Android device. WTH? My WP can do this.
    Last edited by S Vaibhav; 08-24-2014 at 01:46 PM.
    08-24-2014 07:30 AM
  2. Chris_Germany's Avatar
    There are so many other threads about this topic, lol (no offense :) )
    08-24-2014 07:36 AM
  3. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    There are so many other threads about this topic, lol (no offense :) )
    But none with such an accurate and focused title on a subject,I think? :)
    08-24-2014 07:38 AM
  4. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Applications on both iOS and Windows Phone can't draw over other apps, or perform actions through lock screen.

    This means that you can't have a good "AppLock" type of application that can individually secure any one of your apps.

    Also there are apps, like Snapshot that allow you to quickly open the camera by rotating the phone to landscape and unlocking it, the Windows Phone API doesn't support this, yet.

    Moving on to save your power button from wear and tear there is an app called Pocketlock that automatically locks and unlocks your phone when it's in your pocket or in your hand.

    Apps like Facebook Messenger have these "chatheads" which allow you to chat from any app, basically allowing you to chat from your homescreen, app or game without even opening the Facebook Messenger app, this is very useful but can be turned off if you find it annoying.

    Apps like Hotspot Shield(VPN) can be totally free on Android and show ads instead when you are using it, this isn't possible on Windows Phone and there are no free VPN apps to speak of.

    The greater majority of games are supported by 512 MB RAM Android phones but games aren't simply there on 512 MB Windows Phones, or are badly optimized(like Subway Surfers).

    You would expect Microsoft's own apps to be the best on Windows Phone, right? They aren't, just check out Skype. The version of Skype on Android isn't as beautiful but is much much faster.

    Windows Phone doesn't support Webkit based browsers, no Chrome or Kik because of this.

    The gallery app doesn't show images at their full resolution, it shows scaled down versions usually at 2048 x 2048 or less, you need apps like HD Photo Viewer or ZOOM to fix this.

    You can't download/recieve PDFs properly, they are always stored on your internal storage instead of SD Card, especially if you receive them via Bluetooth.

    NFC Tap to beam doesn't seem to be available(I could be wrong)

    Applications can't do much in the background and are useless unless you keep the apps open, like Whatsapp or wpTorrent.

    Applications aren't there or are very very behind the Android/iOS counterparts, for example Facebook, Instagram, 9GAG.

    Should I go on? I don't hate Windows Phone but all these issues make it much less enjoyable than Android(for me, at least.)
    08-24-2014 08:21 AM
  5. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Moving on to Windows Phone benefits.

    Windows Phone provides a balance between simplicity and customization.

    Windows Phone is more aesthetically pleasing to some people, it depends on your choice but I find Windows Phone quite beautiful as well.

    Camera apps available on Windows Phone are unmatched, especially ProShot and Nokia Camera.

    I really love some of the Windows Phone animations, and daaamn those folders in Windows Phone 8.1 Update 1 are soo beautiful(especially the animations).

    There are certain apps that look better than the Android counterparts, such as Skype or WPCentral.

    While apps can't work in the background like Android, they can run under the lock screen, for example wpTorrent can do this. This is nice. ๐Ÿ‘

    I could probably list more.
    08-24-2014 08:28 AM
  6. D M C's Avatar
    One important limitation of Android is
    OS Updates.

    Other than Nexus family no Android device can match speed & longer support of WP.
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    08-24-2014 09:45 AM
  7. salmanahmad's Avatar
    One important limitation of Android is
    OS Updates.

    Other than Nexus family no Android device can match speed & longer support of WP.
    That's not a limitation of Android, it's a problem of the OEMs.

    Android continues to provide support for older kernels(unlike Windows) so phones that get enough developer support they get continued Android versions.

    Windows Phone doesn't have the best record with updates either.
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    08-24-2014 10:09 AM
  8. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    Regarding OS updates-quoting this post from another thread as it received many likes, and also for the benefit of those browsing through this thread for the first time-

    Android-Galaxy s3(American),s2, HTC one x,x+, Samsung galaxy nexus don't get kitkat. Neither do any budget Android devices get any OS update.
    Apple- iPhone 4 won't get ios8, and already lacks features in the OS updates like Siri, etc. And I doubt iPhone 4s will get the ios 8 update.
    Blackberry-bb7 devices don't get updates to bb10. And bb7 devices are still being sold.
    Symbian-OS updates abandoned by Nokia, Sony Ericsson.
    WebOS-abandoned by hp.

    My 620 is a 2012 phone, and has got cyan+8.1+ update 1+ Cortana alpha, in 2014, 2 years later. Same for the 920,820,etc. And WP 7 devices were started in 2010, and received their last update in 2013. That is pretty darn good as compared to the other OSes,a support of 3 years. Including budget phones. My 620 is supported until 2017. What more could I want? I've got more updates than I paid for, keeping in mind that this is a budget device. Thanks Microsoft, is all I can say. :)
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    08-24-2014 10:47 AM
  9. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    That's not a limitation of Android, it's a problem of the OEMs.

    Android continues to provide support for older kernels(unlike Windows) so phones that get enough developer support they get continued Android versions.

    Windows Phone doesn't have the best record with updates either.
    What about budget devices? None of the Android devices get updates, unlike WP. HTC 8s is one exception, but I can point out hundreds, perhaps thousands of exceptions on budget Android phones.
    08-24-2014 10:50 AM
  10. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    @Salman Ahmed

    Regarding app lock-who needs app lock when you have apps corner? Apps corner is,I feel,a much better built in application. You only select those stopped which you want someone to access, the rest are hidden. You can leave your phone on apps corner let someone freely use your phone. To access your own account, you have to press the power button and enter your password to access your apps. Plus you can disable the camera button, power button, Windows button, search, back, action centre, etc, which you can't do on Android. You have to install 3 separate applications on Android to get all the features I mentioned above, and even then you won't get all of them. Plus you have to allow a third party app have access to your dialer, contacts and internet, plus there are these ads and notifications too.

    P.S. I searched for app lock in the WP store, and the app is present, along with the same functionality as on Android. So you have both options on WP-to allow/not allow a third party app/company in your quest for securing your phone.

    I prefer the camera button. What's the point of rotating the phone and unlocking it to open the camera? I simply press the camera button, even when the phone is locked and password protected, and take a picture. I took a picture without even touching the screen, faster than any Android/iPhone. You can't do that on Android.

    Windows phones automatically torn on the screen when you take them out of your pocket to view a message, notification or missed call. You don't need a third party app for that.

    Chatheads is a useful feature, and I admit I would like to see Facebook implement that in WP and ios.

    What's wrong with VPN on WP 8.1 update 1? You also have the cisco vpn app.

    I don't know what you are talking about. I use Skype extensively, and the design is much more aesthetic as compared to Android, and I've had no performance issues so far. Kindly elaborate on why Skype is better on Android than WP? I see no issues on the WP app.

    Webkit is the new IE6. Many would prefer HTML5, which is the current standard that IE 11 supports.

    PDF's are stored in the SD card. The limitation was removed in 8.1.

    Nfc tap to beam has been available since the WP 7 days, what are you talking about?
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    08-24-2014 11:13 AM
  11. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    Many apps are not released for 512mb ram phones on Android, and the few that are run very badly. Also, people pirate the unsupported app by sideloading it. That is a huge issue. Also, asphalt 8 on a 512mb WP runs better than on a512 Mb Android phone.
    08-24-2014 11:22 AM
  12. S Vaibhav's Avatar

    Applications aren't there or are very very behind the Android/iOS counterparts, for example Facebook, Instagram, 9GAG.
    Please elaborate on how the Facebook app is better in Android than WP?
    08-24-2014 11:25 AM
  13. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Regarding OS updates-quoting this post from another thread as it received many likes, and also for the benefit of those browsing through this thread for the first time-

    Android-Galaxy s3(American),s2, HTC one x,x+, Samsung galaxy nexus don't get kitkat. Neither do any budget Android devices get any OS update.
    Apple- iPhone 4 won't get ios8, and already lacks features in the OS updates like Siri, etc. And I doubt iPhone 4s will get the ios 8 update.
    Blackberry-bb7 devices don't get updates to bb10. And bb7 devices are still being sold.
    Symbian-OS updates abandoned by Nokia, Sony Ericsson.
    WebOS-abandoned by hp.

    My 620 is a 2012 phone, and has got cyan+8.1+ update 1+ Cortana alpha, in 2014, 2 years later. Same for the 920,820,etc. And WP 7 devices were started in 2010, and received their last update in 2013. That is pretty darn good as compared to the other OSes,a support of 3 years. Including budget phones. My 620 is supported until 2017. What more could I want? I've got more updates than I paid for, keeping in mind that this is a budget device. Thanks Microsoft, is all I can say. :)
    You can't hate on Apple, they gave updates to a single core device for over 3 years, maybe Siri isn't supported but it at least got the update, unlike all single core Windows Phone devices.

    Plus it's not like you get "all the features" you didn't even get a brightness slider in Lumia Cyan, that's such a basic feature! You also didn't get continuous focus either. So you don't get updates either.

    iPhone 4S is getting iOS 8, Apple has already confirmed this.

    Moto E and G get updates and other than that depending on what device you get you can also get very amazing developer support, I used to have an HTC Explorer which launched with Android 2.3 but is running stable Android 4.4 due to the developers.

    I don't give a **** about Blackberry and WebOS and Symbian.

    S3 did get KitKat depending on what version you had, S2 got 4.1 and HTC had to abandon support for One X because the brand doesn't have a whole lot of money to support R&D for older products. But you can update it via Cyanogenmod Installer to Android 4.4 KitKat, it's pretty easy.

    Your 620 isn't supported till 2017, Windows Phone 8 security patches are supported till then. This is no guarantee that your device will get updates till 2017.

    What about budget devices? None of the Android devices get updates, unlike WP. HTC 8s is one exception, but I can point out hundreds, perhaps thousands of exceptions on budget Android phones.
    Moto E and Moto G, I rest my case. You can name hundreds of devices because more OEMs produce Android than Windows Phone, a lot more.

    @Salman Ahmed

    Regarding app lock-who needs app lock when you have apps corner? Apps corner is,I feel,a much better built in application. You only select those stopped which you want someone to access, the rest are hidden. You can leave your phone on apps corner let someone freely use your phone. To access your own account, you have to press the power button and enter your password to access your apps. Plus you can disable the camera button, power button, Windows button, search, back, action centre, etc, which you can't do on Android. You have to install 3 separate applications on Android to get all the features I mentioned above, and even then you won't get all of them. Plus you have to allow a third party app have access to your dialer, contacts and internet, plus there are these ads and notifications too.

    P.S. I searched for app lock in the WP store, and the app is present, along with the same functionality as on Android. So you have both options on WP-to allow/not allow a third party app/company in your quest for securing your phone.

    I prefer the camera button. What's the point of rotating the phone and unlocking it to open the camera? I simply press the camera button, even when the phone is locked and password protected, and take a picture. I took a picture without even touching the screen, faster than any Android/iPhone. You can't do that on Android.

    Windows phones automatically torn on the screen when you take them out of your pocket to view a message, notification or missed call. You don't need a third party app for that.

    Chatheads is a useful feature, and I admit I would like to see Facebook implement that in WP and ios.

    What's wrong with VPN on WP 8.1 update 1? You also have the cisco vpn app.

    I don't know what you are talking about. I use Skype extensively, and the design is much more aesthetic as compared to Android, and I've had no performance issues so far. Kindly elaborate on why Skype is better on Android than WP? I see no issues on the WP app.

    Webkit is the new IE6. Many would prefer HTML5, which is the current standard that IE 11 supports.

    PDF's are stored in the SD card. The limitation was removed in 8.1.

    Nfc tap to beam has been available since the WP 7 days, what are you talking about?
    AppLock for Windows Phone is a fail, go try it out. If you go to the app tray you can still open it.

    Apps Corner is a nice idea but multi user profiles are also coming in Android L, so the same functionality is available.

    Android devices also turn the screen on, vibrate or blink the LED light when you get a notification. Windows Phone can't support LED lights yet and does not have a good replacement for Pocketlock.

    Android app is much faster than the crashy and slow Skype app, trust me. The Android app however does take a significant time to launch but is very smooth afterwards.

    I didn't know about the NFC thing, is it exactly the same as the Android version? Where you can beam pretty much everything? From web pages, to YouTube videos, support for NFC tags. If Windows Phone can do all that, I'm impressed.

    Android phones do have shutter buttons, not all of them do but neither do all Windows Phones. But with that taken into account Windows Phones are much slower at taking photos than most leading Android/iOS smartphones. Especially if you use Nokia Camera.

    There is no competition between speed, Android flagship devices hands down beat all Windows Phones. Phones like the Galaxy S5 and LG G3 have dedicated sensors for fast focusing, they can achieve focus within 278-300 ms, wheras even if you have a shutter button on your Windows Phones they take much longer to focus, your Windows Phone probably even start the camera by the time a G3 has captured the amazing moment you are trying to capture.

    Windows Phones have very amazing camera sensors but lack the speed to call themselves the best cameraphones on the market.

    Many apps are not released for 512mb ram phones on Android, and the few that are run very badly. Also, people pirate the unsupported app by sideloading it. That is a huge issue. Also, asphalt 8 on a 512mb WP runs better than on a512 Mb Android phone.
    I sideloaded Subway Surfers and Temple Run 2 on my Lumia 520 before they had official 512 MB RAM versions.

    That's because Asphalt 8 on Windows Phone resembles a PS2 game, very terrible graphics and effects compared to the Android version.

    Actually most 3D games don't support the same graphical effects as the Android counterparts, another problem of Windows Phone.

    Please elaborate on how the Facebook app is better in Android than WP?
    I can comment on photos with a photo, I can view photo comments, scrolling is much faster(albeit stuttery at times). I can message people and pages that aren't in my friends list, I can manage the pages I am an admin in. It has better integration with Fb messenger, I don't have to open Fb messenger I can simply pop open a chathead.

    Oh and chatheads won't ever appear in Windows Phones or iOS outside the app unless the API is changed and allows drawing over other apps.

    The functionality of Android is unparalleled, the user experience is debatable.
    Last edited by rockstarzzz; 08-24-2014 at 11:52 PM.
    08-24-2014 11:48 AM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    The only limitation of android is that apps with widgets can't be stored in the sd card unless you root your phone. It can do literally anything apart from that.
    08-24-2014 12:23 PM
  15. salmanahmad's Avatar
    The only limitation of android is that apps with widgets can't be stored in the sd card unless you root your phone. It can do literally anything apart from that.
    Yeah I find that annoying as well.

    +1 for Windows Phone in this regard.
    08-24-2014 12:36 PM
  16. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    You know that they are still selling iPhone 4, right? That gives them no right to remove support for it. Samsung focus and dell venue pro are older than iPhone 4. Both got 7.8 in 2013. Difference is-both the WP stopped production 3 years ago, the iPhone didn't.

    I don't need a **** brightness slider, I have an ambient light sensor that is far better. And this is the reason why older Lumias didn't get it, they already have an ambient light sensor.

    Continuous autofocus is not present in all Android devices so how can your expect the same from WP?

    Answer this question-Can my 75 year old grandfather custom root, flash and download firmware from xda just to update his device? No. But he doesn't have to do anything on his Lumia 520, which updates itself automatically, and will be supported until 2017.

    Show me proof that my device won't be supported until 2017. MS has already committed to this and said that the kernel difference can't happen again, even if wished too. And they cant afford to lose their current market share and start from 0% again by not supporting the Lumia 520. If you have any significant proof/as to why this won't happen, please share it with us.

    I don't need notification led, I have glance which is far better, and also shows the time, unlike a notification led. The HTC one m8 for Windows also sports a dot view case. With such better solutions, who needs notification leds like those old blackberries?

    I've used the Android app, and the WP one feels and performs much better, but that is just me. Others may have a different opinion.

    Yes, it can do all the above things along with nfc tags.

    Take two phones. Nokia Lumia 1520 and galaxy note 3. Both of them are password protected, screen is off.
    To take a picture with the note,
    1)I have to hit the power button,
    2)type in my password,
    3)press enter, the phone gets unlocked,
    4)then I tap on the camera application, it opens the camera and
    5) I tap the button,it focuses, and takes a picture.

    With the 1520,
    1)I press the camera button, the app opens
    2) I press the camera button again, it focuses and takes the pic, without me touching the screen. Tell me honestly, Which is faster?
    Even if you use the lock screen shortcut in Android, you have to type your password.

    It doesn't look like Android, but isn't as bad as ps2. However asphalt 7 runs perfectly fine and on par, if not above the Android version, in terms of graphics and performance. So, if asphalt 7 runs so well, why shouldn't asphalt8? Gameloft is responsible here, not ms. How can you say that WP doesn't support advanced graphics? I think DirectX 11 is better than open gl.

    Edit-just tested a Lumia 920 with asphalt 8, graphics same as Android, performance even smoother. The extra ram makes a difference. However,asphalt 7 looks the same on Android, Lumia 620 and 920. At least the Lumia 620 runs asphalt 8 smoothly, unlike the androids counterpart where it lags with the same specs. It's gamelofts fault here.

    Quote from another thread, for new people reading this thread.

    Win 8.1 devices can be upgraded. WP7 devices were not able to be upgraded, because the hardware was designed to work with Windows CE. WP8 was written to use Windows NT, which is how desktop Windows is designed. For the foreseeable future, all WP versions will be the NT version.
    Last edited by rockstarzzz; 08-24-2014 at 11:52 PM.
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  17. D M C's Avatar
    Why you bring " I " word S Vaibhav.

    You don't need brightness slider but I really love to have.

    You don't know how to do conversation or discussion. No offense.

    Because you use I word to counter salmanahmad points.
    He could say same he don't give crap to Siri.
    Then does that make your point invalid.
    No

    Same where you use I word that I don't need it or I don't give crap to this. You loses the conversation their.

    Be little polite and don't use I word.
    Keep in mind that it's about WP not about you.
    08-24-2014 01:13 PM
  18. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    Why you bring " I " word S Vaibhav.

    You don't need brightness slider but I really love to have.

    You don't know how to do conversation or discussion. No offense.

    Because you use I word to counter salmanahmad points.
    He could say same he don't give crap to Siri.
    Then does that make your point invalid.
    No

    Same where you use I word that I don't need it or I don't give crap to this. You loses the conversation their.

    Be little polite and don't use I word.
    Keep in mind that it's about WP not about you.
    I'm sorry,I don't get you?! The **** meant sh#t, not anything else. Besides, he mentioned it first. Let me quote his previous statement-
    Quote by salmanahmed
    "I don't give a **** about blackberry, Symbian and webos"
    08-24-2014 01:21 PM
  19. D M C's Avatar
    I'm sorry,I don't get you?! The **** meant sh#t, not anything else. Besides, he mentioned it first. Let me quote his previous statement-
    Quote by salmanahmed
    "I don't give a **** about blackberry, Symbian and webos"
    And their he loses but
    If you count yours "I" you losses more than him

    in this types conversation using I word represents that you don't have any answer to counter that point
    08-24-2014 01:23 PM
  20. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    And their he loses but
    If you count yours "I" you losses more than him

    in this types conversation using I word represents that you don't have any answer to counter that point
    Still don't understand you? When did I say this mysterious 'I' word? Please quote it from any of my comments?
    08-24-2014 01:28 PM
  21. salmanahmad's Avatar
    You know that they are still selling iPhone 4, right? That gives them no right to remove support for it. Samsung focus and dell venue pro are older than iPhone 4. Both got 7.8 in 2013. Difference is-both the WP stopped production 3 years ago, the iPhone didn't.

    I don't need a **** brightness slider, I have an ambient light sensor that is far better. And this is the reason why older Lumias didn't get it, they already have an ambient light sensor.

    Continuous autofocus is not present in all Android devices so how can your expect the same from WP?

    Answer this question-Can my 75 year old grandfather custom root, flash and download firmware from xda just to update his device? No. But he doesn't have to do anything on his Lumia 520, which updates itself automatically, and will be supported until 2017.

    Show me proof that my device won't be supported until 2017. MS has already committed to this and said that the kernel difference can't happen again, even if wished too. And they cant afford to lose their current market share and start from 0% again by not supporting the Lumia 520. If you have any significant proof/as to why this won't happen, please share it with us.

    I don't need notification led, I have glance which is far better, and also shows the time, unlike a notification led. The HTC one m8 for Windows also sports a dot view case. With such better solutions, who needs notification leds like those old blackberries?

    I've used the Android app, and the WP one feels and performs much better, but that is just me. Others may have a different opinion.

    Yes, it can do all the above things along with nfc tags.

    Take two phones. Nokia Lumia 1520 and galaxy note 3. Both of them are password protected, screen is off.
    To take a picture with the note,
    1)I have to hit the power button,
    2)type in my password,
    3)press enter, the phone gets unlocked,
    4)then I tap on the camera application, it opens the camera and
    5) I tap the button,it focuses, and takes a picture.

    With the 1520,
    1)I press the camera button, the app opens
    2) I press the camera button again, it focuses and takes the pic, without me touching the screen. Tell me honestly, Which is faster?
    Even if you use the lock screen shortcut in Android, you have to type your password.
    Dude you seriously have no idea what you are talking about, you constantly make excuses about Windows Phone.

    iPhone 4 isn't sold anymore, it launched in 2010 and was discontinued in 2013 and in that period it got iOS 5, 6, AND EVEN 7!!!

    It didn't get some iOS 6.8 because it had a single core processor, it got the whole iOS 7 treatment, Apple even went out of their way to optimize iOS 7 for the iPhone 4.

    When I said 620 didn't have continuous focus I wasn't comparing it to Android, I mentioned it for your previous argument where you said iPhone 4 didn't get all the features.

    iPhone 4 got HDR, burst mode, continuous focus, a brightness slider, and a lot more.

    Nokia didn't give continuous focus to any of their devices other than the newer Snapdragon 800 range, most of us didn't even get a brightness slider. Living images we're also not given out to capable devices. So don't talk **** about how iOS doesn't give all features when Windows Phone doesn't either.

    Ambient light sensor is no excuse for not giving a brightness slider, in certain situations the ambient light sensor doesn't accurately work and you need a brightness slides. There are many other uses for brightness sliders as well, there is no excuse for not giving this option but then again you can make all the excuses you want for Windows Phones.

    Why would your 75 year old grandfather want a smartphone? And even if he did he wouldn't care about updates as much as we do. He can't root but he doesn't want to update either. Updates aren't done automatically.

    Like I've said before Lumia 520 will NOT be supported till 2017, Windows Phone 8 will be.

    You are asking me to show you proof why Lumia 520 won't be updated till 2017, show me proof why it will be?

    Has it ever occurred to you that not all phones have Glance or not everyone has a Dot View Case? The HTC One M8 for Android has both a Dot View Case and notification LED, they didn't have to make any sacrifices like the WP users do. Again you can make all the excuses you want for Windows Phone.

    If you use the camera shortcut in the lockscreen you don't, I repeat, you DON'T have to type the password. The Note 3 didn't have a camera shortcut at launch however I believe the latest TouchWiz version does have it and it would straight out beat the 1520. Why?

    Because with the 1520 you would have two options, either use Microsoft camera or Nokia Camera.

    If you open up Microsoft camera it will take much longer to focus and Note 3 would win due to the lockscreen shortcut and better focusing speed.

    If you use Nokia Camera you'll have to wait for it to open(it takes longer) and the shutter speed will also be slower because the 1520 takes two shots, one is 19 MP and the other is compressed 5MP.

    Either way Note 3 would win. But if you we're to compare 1520 to this years devices like the Galaxy S5, G3 or HTC One M8 for Android it wouls absolutely be crushed in speed.

    It doesn't look like Android, but isn't as bad as ps2. However asphalt 7 runs perfectly fine and on par, if not above the Android version, in terms of graphics and performance. So, if asphalt 7 runs so well, why shouldn't asphalt8? Gameloft is responsible here, not ms. How can you say that WP doesn't support advanced graphics? I think DirectX 11 is better than open gl.

    Edit-just tested a Lumia 920 with asphalt 8, graphics same as Android, performance even smoother. The extra ram makes a difference. However,asphalt 7 looks the same on Android, Lumia 620 and 920. At least the Lumia 620 runs asphalt 8 smoothly, unlike the androids counterpart where it lags with the same specs. It's gamelofts fault here.
    What reference devices are you using for this test?

    I'm sorry if I haven't made myself clear, since iPhones and Androids are the majority of devices app developers optimize their apps for OpenGL better.

    Other than just Asphalt 8 most other games do not support the same effects as Gameloft and other companies like EA don't care about DirectX on mobile(if that's what WP uses)

    DirectX is very powerful but on mobile not one cares about it.

    I'm sorry,I don't get you?! The **** meant sh#t, not anything else. Besides, he mentioned it first. Let me quote his previous statement-
    Quote by salmanahmed
    "I don't give a **** about blackberry, Symbian and webos"
    And their he loses but
    If you count yours "I" you losses more than him

    in this types conversation using I word represents that you don't have any answer to counter that point
    Loool the only reason I used 'I' was because we we're discussing iOS, Android and Windows Phone here. Not Symbian, BB and WebOS.
    Last edited by rockstarzzz; 08-24-2014 at 11:57 PM.
    08-24-2014 01:34 PM
  22. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    You are the one making excuses.

    iPhone 4 is still sold in India officially by Apple.

    All WP7 devices had Microsoft tell me, iPhone 4 didn't get it. In a way iPhone 4 did get 6.8. Just because Apple named it ios7 doesn't mean it is justified. Had MS named the 7.8 update as "8 with reduced features for older devices" would you have felt better?

    How can ambient light sensor technology that has been there since 7 years, undergoing constant improvements YoY not be better than a brightness slider? Show me a situation where a brightness slider beats an ambient light sensor.

    "Why would your 75 year old grandfather need a smartphone"
    This is insulting. what, are you crazy? What's wrong with getting a smartphone for an old person?

    This is a silly question. In case you didn't know, WP 8 devices get updates automatically over the air. Have you ever used a phone?

    What are your arguments to support your statement that the 520 won't get supported until 2017? I've already given mine.

    Not all Android phones have notification leds, do they?

    I did this comparison at a croma store, and the 1520 won, with the default camera app. If you use a 1520, you'll see for yourself.
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    08-24-2014 01:59 PM
  23. prasath1234's Avatar
    Many apps are not released for 512mb ram phones on Android, and the few that are run very badly. Also, people pirate the unsupported app by sideloading it. That is a huge issue. Also, asphalt 8 on a 512mb WP runs better than on a512 Mb Android phone.

    Correction 512 mb ram in wp equals to 1 gb ram in android.gone are the days of 512 mb ram in android.even 1 gb is just good enough not great.that is android for you the most resource hungry ๐Ÿ˜‹ os for you which has millions of apps.
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    08-24-2014 02:11 PM
  24. salmanahmad's Avatar
    You are the one making excuses.

    iPhone 4 is still sold in India officially by Apple.

    All WP7 devices had Microsoft tell me, iPhone 4 didn't get it. In a way iPhone 4 did get 6.8. Just because Apple named it ios7 doesn't mean it is justified. Had MS named the 7.8 update as "8 with reduced features for older devices" would you have felt better?

    How can ambient light sensor technology that has been there since 7 years, undergoing constant improvements YoY not be better than a brightness slider? Show me a situation where a brightness slider beats an ambient light sensor.

    "Why would your 75 year old grandfather need a smartphone"
    This is insulting. what, are you crazy? What's wrong with getting a smartphone for an old person?

    This is a silly question. In case you didn't know, WP 8 devices get updates automatically over the air. Have you ever used a phone?

    What are your arguments to support your statement that the 520 won't get supported until 2017? I've already given mine.

    Not all Android phones have notification leds, do they?

    I did this comparison at a croma store, and the 1520 won, with the default camera app. If you use a 1520, you'll see for yourself.
    Okay I'll ask you this simple question, what features did iPhone 4 not get in iOS 7? Apart from Siri, because no single core Windows Phone device didn't get Cortana either.

    No I meant to say that Windows Phone doesn't update automatically, you still have to navigate into settings and then download it, you can also update Custom ROMs OTA once you install them(just saying).

    I wasn't trying to be insulting but think about it logically, it would be awesome if you convince an elderly person to try out a smartphone but in most cases he won't even care about updates in the least, most elderly people don't even care about trying a smartphone!

    If you are in a situation like a bright room but want to save battery, turning down the brightness just enough is very helpful. The preset Windows Phone settings "low" "medium" and "high" are not accurate as my Lumia 520 could bring the brightness much lower than the "low" option in settings. Brightness sliders are very useful to quite a lot of people.

    The argument about Lumia 520 not being supported for very long is that it's hardware is slowly beginning to show it's age and there is a limit of how long Microsoft can keep it alive.
    As new features keep rolling in, older devices get slower and slower till the point that they can no longer handle a new OS. Windows Phone 8.1 considerably slowed down my Lumia 520. So there is a limit for how long Microsoft supports it, and they can't support it till 2017 that's impossible.

    About the camera speed, yes I've never used a 1520 but it does have a slower camera than other flagships out there due to the higher MP count, the test you conducted was not scientific nor accurate. However I may have a solution, Basemark OS 2 benchmark has a camera speed test, if someone here with a 1520 could conduct it, would be really awesome. I'll also conduct the test on my Nexus 5 and I'll tell my cousin with a Note 3 to conduct it as well. :)

    Correction 512 mb ram in wp equals to 1 gb ram in android.gone are the days of 512 mb ram in android.even 1 gb is just good enough not great.that is android for you the most resource hungry ๐Ÿ˜‹ os for you which has millions of apps.
    Android isn't resource hungry, actually with recent updates they've made better support for 512 MB RAM.

    Even dual core devices like the Moto X run Android 4.4 smoothly, gone are the days when Android was resource hungry, it isn't anymore.
    08-24-2014 02:31 PM
  25. prasath1234's Avatar
    No way I here talk about old devices stuck with jb.can u imagine yourself using 512 mb ram android device it will make you repent. You can't open any app it will stutter nd freeze. Android is only for higher spec phone not low end like wp. Atleast not for 512 mb ram.
    S Vaibhav, anadi1984 and elmacho like this.
    08-24-2014 02:45 PM
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