10-11-2014 03:51 PM
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  1. ali80's Avatar
    Microsoft could kill with hardware, but the OS and ecosystem need more polish to seriously compete.







    IIRC the original iPhone around $500 on contract. But yes, I don't believe there has been any contract price that high recently.

    I use both OS. I have iPad and iPhone

    To be honest, I love WP more because of the OS UI. Very pretty and better experience for me. However, I'll never give up using iOS.
    09-10-2014 03:38 PM
  2. dov1978's Avatar
    Definitely buying the iPhone 6Plus. After having a Note 3 and a Lumia 1520 which was a little too big for my liking. The 5.5" iPhone is a great size. App quality and lack of apps require will keep me away from WP for the near future and Android is still too buggy so the new iPhone is top of my shopping list. The 5s is the first iPhone I've not bothered with so this will definitely be a leap forward since my last iPhone (5)


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    09-10-2014 04:10 PM
  3. Didier3001's Avatar
    after seeing the 2 newest Phones Windows has I would say those are a disappointment not the iPhone 6 and I am giving it much consideration. And yes I am even considering the watch. I would still not have the megapixels I had on my 1020 if I switched but I do have a DSLR to make up for it. My other choice could be the Note 4
    Good luck taking your DSLR with you everywhere

    I hear what you're saying but iPhone photos have been voted the best by most tech journalists and their performance has never been an issue. Yes the screen resolution is low and the storage can not be expanded but their software has virtually been flawless. So I am not saying that it's a perfect product but the tone in these posts is comical. There is no such thing as a perfect phone but I feel like apple brings a compelling product to market where MS has been dropping less compelling products with zero market share. Does that seem like a good strategy. Again I am not attacking you but I really dislike being a fanboy. Take the product foe what it is.
    Most blogs that review mobile phone don't even know how to properly review camera. It's not because they are geek that they also photograph.
    One Professional and good camera review website is for example connect.dpreview.com because they have been reviewing DSLR for years.

    The only thing I can guarantee is that lumia 1020, 930 or 1520 are by far much better camera than iPhone. One of my friend has an iPhone 5s and we often go to the same place. We then review the pictures taken with our phone on a 47" TV using Xbox and onedrive and we clearly see the difference and he is always impressed. Often people ask me which camera I was using to take pictures and when I show them my phone they are even more impressed.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 09-13-2014 at 12:05 AM.
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    09-10-2014 04:16 PM
  4. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    "The iPhone 6 is a disappointment"

    ​What major phones have come to WP this year that have been amazingly innovative?
    09-10-2014 06:15 PM
  5. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Ok, if anyone follows my posts would know, I very much dislike the iPhone or Apple. So I watched about 90% of the apple thing yesterday.

    For about 10 min, I was actually thinking if I could change over to the iPhone....why ? The Apple watch. The thing about the iPhone and the watch, they will work together seamlessly with the same feel and with features that even impressed me (the watch, not the iphone).

    As I think about it more and more, I think I really want a smartwatch, I think the uses would be VERY useful for what I do and how I live my life. This would also save me to from pulling out my phone 40-50 times a day looking for notifications for new emails, texts, etc...

    The problem is, for example the Pebble, if it worked with Windows Phone fully, is not a seamless experience, does not even have 1/5 of the features of the "Apple Watch" and you need to install all these 3rd party apps just for the watch to do things. This is the same with all Smartwatches that might be compatible with Windows Phone...after 8.1 is out for all devices and someone actually makes a driver for it....

    **IF** Microsoft actually releases a **Rumored** watch, will it be seamless? will it feel like the phone does ? Will it give strong options with a decent battery life ?

    That is the question because as it stands right now, the smartwatch thing for Windows Phone is dead(and it really was never alive in the first place)...and not going to really show up for what I would be looking for....
    09-10-2014 07:24 PM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    "The iPhone 6 is a disappointment"

    ​What major phones have come to WP this year that have been amazingly innovative?


    Is there anything innovative about the new iphones? Am I missing the point and this discussion is about apps because I don't see what's so special about a 5.5" 1080p screen, 8MP camera and NFC, features that are found on WP and (android) devices today. Or is it just because apple did it?

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    09-10-2014 08:13 PM
  7. rdubmu's Avatar
    Really? What does the i6+ have over the 1520, which is the top WP device right now? Hardware wise they are right on par, unless I missed something. And to be honest the hardware is even behind the top android phones, so where is the supposed superiority? Is their 1080p resolution somehow better than on other 1080p devices?
    Sure, the ecosystem, the apps that are even available on both platforms are better on iOS, the app quality is also much higher.

    The passport payment option is much better than anything windows phone offers. The 1520 here in the US requires a charging shell, and is only available from AT&T, and their are reports it is being discontinued.

    Also the size of the phone, it is way to big, and the software doesn't utilize the big screen. I can see more email on my iPhone 5s and more twitter messaging without scrolling than on the big screen 1520.

    The operating system has no lag, even on last years 5s. Sure windows phone has no lag as well.

    The total package of the iPhone, the OS, ecosystem (in car, acessories, apps) and the added NFC WITH the partnerships with VISA, MasterCard and Amex, leaves windows phone in the dust. Plus, all MS apps are available on IOS.
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    09-10-2014 09:47 PM
  8. maclancer's Avatar
    Sure, the ecosystem, the apps that are even available on both platforms are better on iOS, the app quality is also much higher.

    The passport payment option is much better than anything windows phone offers. The 1520 here in the US requires a charging shell, and is only available from AT&T, and their are reports it is being discontinued.

    Also the size of the phone, it is way to big, and the software doesn't utilize the big screen. I can see more email on my iPhone 5s and more twitter messaging without scrolling than on the big screen 1520.

    The operating system has no lag, even on last years 5s. Sure windows phone has no lag as well.

    The total package of the iPhone, the OS, ecosystem (in car, acessories, apps) and the added NFC WITH the partnerships with VISA, MasterCard and Amex, leaves windows phone in the dust. Plus, all MS apps are available on IOS.
    Well what we will see if just another Zune in the making... I give Microsoft two more years before it is completely dead. RIP Windows Phone.
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    09-10-2014 09:55 PM
  9. Richard Servello's Avatar
    It's a downgrade from my icon. Sad Apple, sad.

    Is there anything innovative about the new iphones? Am I missing the point and this discussion is about apps because I don't see what's so special about a 5.5" 1080p screen, 8MP camera and NFC, features that are found on WP and (android) devices today. Or is it just because apple did it?





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    You mean has been available for 2 years. All other 5.5 inch phones are twice the resolution.
    Last edited by Guytronic; 09-13-2014 at 12:06 AM.
    09-11-2014 12:25 AM
  10. cckgz4's Avatar
    Every year, every iPhone, this discussion comes up. And it always backfires cause apple sells
    09-11-2014 01:41 AM
  11. twint7787's Avatar
    Damn, people really hate you when you're at the top (Apple).
    Its not a perfect phone and yes apple does market it like it is but why wouldn't they ita their own product. Its going to sell millions.
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    09-11-2014 09:04 AM
  12. prasath1234's Avatar
    Not at all disappointment at least for people here in India who are paying premium to get iphone 6 or 6 s.i think this current iPhones are going to sell like hot cakes in India.it is already selling in grey market for a 40%higher price compared to apple price.oh no sorry high end android apple iPhones going to crush you in sales.fall of high end android evident in India.
    From Windows phone
    09-11-2014 12:26 PM
  13. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Is there anything innovative about the new iphones? Am I missing the point and this discussion is about apps because I don't see what's so special about a 5.5" 1080p screen, 8MP camera and NFC, features that are found on WP and (android) devices today. Or is it just because apple did it?

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    Nothing really special about it. My point was more that WP has been more disappointing this year than the iPhone. Why? The iPhone is a single phone that comes in two sizes. Microsoft has lined up about a dozen companies this year to make phones and there hasn't really been anything major.

    You mean has been available for 2 years. All other 5.5 inch phones are twice the resolution.
    There is no phone out today with "twice the resolution". :|
    Last edited by Guytronic; 09-11-2014 at 11:25 PM.
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    09-11-2014 06:51 PM
  14. Richard Servello's Avatar
    Wow way to be entirely to literal. What I should have said is 78% higher resolution. Feel better?
    09-11-2014 07:31 PM
  15. ChrisP1's Avatar
    Apple brought NOTHING special in terms of hardware to the iPhone. They brought it mostly back up to speed with competing hardward but its nothing special unless you love how thin and light it is but that is really a gimmick. What will sell the iPhones the best is not the iPhone6 and 6+ but ios8. Because its not android and the up to date software Apple is still nicely in the race. Though I don't see it getting really more or less customers.

    Microsoft is put in a good position for the future I think to really provide with the next OS some really outstanding features and looks to their phone OS and Windows PC OS.

    Android will remain #1. I think next year and 2016 can be a really good year for MS if they can pull off some good stuff for their phone OS and have good integration with other windows products and if so the hardware will come faster and more phone will be available. Next year they will probably release their next flagship phone.
    09-11-2014 08:27 PM
  16. theefman's Avatar
    Sure, the ecosystem, the apps that are even available on both platforms are better on iOS, the app quality is also much higher.

    The passport payment option is much better than anything windows phone offers. The 1520 here in the US requires a charging shell, and is only available from AT&T, and their are reports it is being discontinued.

    Also the size of the phone, it is way to big, and the software doesn't utilize the big screen. I can see more email on my iPhone 5s and more twitter messaging without scrolling than on the big screen 1520.

    The operating system has no lag, even on last years 5s. Sure windows phone has no lag as well.

    The total package of the iPhone, the OS, ecosystem (in car, acessories, apps) and the added NFC WITH the partnerships with VISA, MasterCard and Amex, leaves windows phone in the dust. Plus, all MS apps are available on IOS.


    The NFC payment system is good, but I bet that comes to all smartphones with NFC eventually, probably with an app and secure sim. Kudos to them for integrating it into their hardware but ultimately, its just an NFC payment system. Microsoft's inability to secure the same deals is just indicative of their limited influence in the mobile world. And in fact google has a payment system currently in use so the only thing new here is that apple jumped on the bandwagon.

    Nothing else is new or innovative about the new phones and the reality is the 1520 goes toe to toe with it hardware wise. And has a few tricks of its own, with wireless charging, upcoming 4K recording, Dolby Digital and 4 HAAC mice. These are real innovations that have been present in the phone since it launched in 2013 but no one seems to count them, because they are on a Windows Phone.

    Yes, the new iphones are good, not saying they are bad or anything. But leaving WP in the dust? I don't see anything in the new iphones that makes them suddenly that much better than a WP device.

    But as has been pointed out, this discussion is moot because they will sell millions within hours so I bid everyone adieu while I anticipate the arrival of my second purchase of a 1520! :)
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    09-11-2014 09:43 PM
  17. radmanvr's Avatar
    Doesn't matter, Apple has best commercials and Apple, Starbucks and Insert demographic female type all love iPhone.
    09-12-2014 10:34 AM
  18. iamtim's Avatar
    Meanwhile, looking at this thread and many others, not a single Apple apologist has called out Apple for a mid-tier resolution on the 4.7, or lack of SD card, or mid-tier camera resolution, or 1 GB RAM, or anything with their hardware. This why people say Apple has a cult-like mentality. Their company can do no wrong. I'm not calling any individual out as I'm not here to offend people, but just pointing out the obvious. Interesting case study on human psychology really.
    None of that matters in the slightest.

    You know what matters? iPhones work. And when they don't work, you can take it to an Apple Store and they will make it work. iOS works. And when iOS doesn't work, Apple releases an iOS update which makes it work.

    You know what else matters? Apple announces a date for new phones and OS upgrades and you know what? People can actually go and buy the new phone on that date and get the OS upgrade on that date.

    That's what matters. And I'm not talking about it mattering to tech blog pundits, or forum posters who think they're tech blog pundits. I'm talking about it mattering to the tons and tons and tons of users who just want a phone that works. That's to whom it matters.

    Until Microsoft get that kind of response out of their company for WP, there is NO WAY that WP will ever come close to iPhone market share or user base numbers. It's just not going to happen. And to think otherwise is... fooling yourself.
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    09-12-2014 08:24 PM
  19. snowmutt's Avatar
    I can't understand what "disappointment" means from a MS user. I have a ton a people in my life that are all Apple products if at all in their power, and they got exactly what they wanted: Larger screens. Period. There is true excitement for these 2 products. I think Apple has a monster sales quarter and it carries well into 2015.

    MS is doing exactly what they set out to do with mobile- create a unified OS across as much of their platforms as they can, and build a fan base. Threshold is the chance for them to shine.

    Apple will give zero ground to MS this year. MS will take what ground they can next year.
    09-13-2014 01:07 AM
  20. Didier3001's Avatar
    Plus, all MS apps are available on IOS.
    Cortana
    Here maps with offline maps
    Here transit
    Here drive +
    Nokia refocus
    Nokia camera where you can change focus and aperture etc...
    Office remote
    Office lens
    Nokia conference
    Mix Radio
    Pro Shot
    Lumia Beamer
    Lumia Storyteller
    Lumia Selfie
    Lumia Panorama

    These are just a few exclusive Apps with very good ratings that I use almost everyday
    09-13-2014 05:51 PM
  21. Jules W's Avatar
    Microsoft should give up marketing Windows Phone in the US.
    Their only hope is in Europe and emerging markets, where unique style is appreciated.
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    09-14-2014 08:34 AM
  22. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Every year, every iPhone, this discussion comes up. And it always backfires cause apple sells
    You took the words out of my mouth.
    09-14-2014 08:51 AM
  23. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    The number one complaint about the iPhone that I've personally seen or heard was the screen size. AAPL fixed that in the iPhone6. And based on the number of shattered iPhone4 and 5 screens I've seen (I would swear that half the iPhones I've seen have shattered screens), I think there's a huge upgrade cycle coming. Samsung must be sweating bullets.

    My daughter had an iPhone4 then I upgraded her to a Galaxy Note II two years ago. She briefly flirted with the idea of an iPhone6 but was worried about leaving the Android/Google ecosystem. All her friends have iPhones and when the 6's are actually out in the wild I imagine she'll think about switching again.
    09-14-2014 09:14 AM
  24. ahmu86's Avatar
    well 1520 doesnt have the apple logo on the back -_-
    09-14-2014 09:39 AM
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    09-14-2014 02:29 PM
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