Andrei Dorin
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Ahhahaha anyway this Iphone Fail is good for Windows PhoneEven Heineken is making fun of it.
https://twitter.com/Heineken_NL/status/515115070251364352/photo/1
Ahhahaha anyway this Iphone Fail is good for Windows PhoneEven Heineken is making fun of it.
https://twitter.com/Heineken_NL/status/515115070251364352/photo/1
Well, there are significant differences in the brands of aluminum foil. The cheaper store distributed brands are certainly not as good as the Reynolds brand, nor are they as good as the food service grade foil. I can see his point on this one. You could reasonably assume Apple choose a grade to keep those profit margins intact.
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Furthermore, if you are going to claim that one aluminium foil is "of higher quality" than another, I'm going to say the onus is on you to explain which properties of the two products leads you to that conclusion, and how it is that the employed alloys are responsible for any perceived differences. In this context, the term "quality" is far to vague to mean anything. For all I know you might as well be judging two types of aluminium foil that are identical in every way except thickness.
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I'm not sure why this point isn't getting across, but apparently it's not easy to grasp.
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Since this is what consumers seem to want, then it the iPhone user's fault for sticking that silly phone into their skinny jeans. I say Apple should just ship a pair of cargo pants with every iPhone sold. That would solve the problem.
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There are in fact different grades of aluminum that greatly effect how strong and resistant to bending/damage it is. Ask any tool maker or custom fabricator. You are right and a valid point!The differences aren't perceived. The food service grade aluminum foil I mentioned is used in a family member's business (food service). I don't know the properties, but it certainly is of better quality than what I have in my kitchen at home. That was my only point. I'm not equipped to get into an engineer's discussion about aluminum foil. Just real world application.
It's the customer's fault for this? Wow. Well at least that's consistent with Apple's responses for engineering faults of their products. Can't say I'm surprised.
There are in fact different grades of aluminum that greatly effect how strong and resistant to bending/damage it is. Ask any tool maker or custom fabricator. You are right and a valid point!
It's the customer's fault for this? Wow. Well at least that's consistent with Apple's responses for engineering faults of their products. Can't say I'm surprised.
I hope you realized I wasn't being completely serious blaming the end users. However, as some in this thread have stated, it does make me cringe when I see someone with a bare phone stuck in their back pocket. It's just careless. Sit on a nice, hardwood chair and... well, like in the old movie Sabrina with Audrey Hepburn, the character David found out quickly that some things should not go into a back pocket when he sat down on the champagne glasses he put there. Ouch!
The differences aren't perceived. The food service grade aluminum foil I mentioned is used in a family member's business (food service). I don't know the properties, but it certainly is of better quality than what I have in my kitchen at home. That was my only point. I'm not equipped to get into an engineer's discussion about aluminum foil. Just real world application.
It's the customer's fault for this? Wow. Well at least that's consistent with Apple's responses for engineering faults of their products. Can't say I'm surprised.
Look. I believe you that one foil is "better" than the other. The question is why? You say only that one is of higher quality, but that is so vague it means nothing. Does higher quality mean better temperature resistance? Shinier? Easier to "un-crumple" and reuse? Less likely to tear? It could mean any number of things, and then the question becomes whether that difference is attributable to the use of a different aluminium alloy, or something else like foil thickness. If it's the later, then your "quality" difference is unrelated to the type of alloy, which is why I say your impression of a "higher quality metal" may only be perceived (other possibilities exist too). That doesn't mean I don't believe you, that there is a difference in practical use.
I'll say it one last time. For something like an iPhone frame, just like with your aluminium foil, what constitutes "better" or "higher quality" isn't set in stone. It depends on what you want from it. If I don't want aluminium foil to conserve food, but rather to use as electromagnetic shielding, then our definitions of what constitutes "higher quality" will be completely different. What you think is the perfect foil might for me be the worst possible option. Furthermore, as with everything in physics, you can't optimize all desirable properties at once. Improving one aspect of any metal will have negative consequences in other areas, so engineers must find what they think represents the best possible balance for their particular usage.
That is why the notion of "quality", by itself, makes no sense. You need to at least also specify the exact usage, as in, aluminium alloy X is best to used to make foil for the food industry because it has properties X, Y and Z.
So, as I said, just the fact that Apple is even using aluminium proves that they value a light device over a sturdy device, because most metals are both cheaper and stronger than aluminium. It's about trade offs. In this case less weight at the cost of strength. For Apple, that trade off means "higher quality", otherwise they would have used steel. Until someone shows that Apple deliberately chose an aluminium alloy they thought/knew was inferior, just to save two or three cents per device, I think it's more realistic to assume they chose what they thought was the best alloy for the job, but just screwed up during product design and stress testing.
Wow you are trying way to hard to tear apart their argument. Look I'm not an engineer but my friend had a machine shop make him a custom mount to attach to his camera so he could use his old hasselblad mounts with his canon 1ds on his tripod. I remember he was really surprised the guy used such a high grade aluminum. After seeing it dragged across brick with force and not a damn scratch on it. I saw the difference. And its resistance to bending for its thickness is ridiculous. There is a difference. So lets not pretend were engineers. If you want to understand the difference between grades and why a stronger grade is better then google it and stop wasting our time.
Wow you are trying way to hard to tear apart their argument. Look I'm not an engineer but my friend had a machine shop make him a custom mount to attach to his camera so he could use his old hasselblad mounts with his canon 1ds on his tripod. I remember he was really surprised the guy used such a high grade aluminum. After seeing it dragged across brick with force and not a damn scratch on it. I saw the difference. And its resistance to bending for its thickness is ridiculous. There is a difference. So lets not pretend were engineers. If you want to understand the difference between grades and why a stronger grade is better then google it and stop wasting our time.
So lets not pretend were engineers. If you want to understand the difference between grades and why a stronger grade is better then google it and stop wasting our time