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  1. amrut_m's Avatar
    Do you have any idea that an iPhone 5 is a generation behind iPhone 5S and they have different flashes?

    I never said that a Xenon flash was terrible but the misinformation that people are spreading here about single LED flashes is just surprising.

    A Xenon flash may be better for motion capture, but realistically speaking are you more likely to photograph still subjects with flash or moving ones?

    The dual tone flash and Xenon are two different kinds of flashes meant for two different kinds of people.

    The iPhone 5S flash really is better than the rest - Recombu

    Xenon may be brighter than regular flashes, but how much? That's debatable.

    But an iPhone captures way more natural skin tones with it's dual tone(dual LED flash) than the 1020.
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    Ha Ha Ha Ha, I So knew this was coming...
    If you think camera from iPhone 5 to 6 is light years ahead, hats off to you.


    I am not even mentioning iOS 7 was copy of Windows Phone,
    iPhone 6 is getting HD screen, NFC, 2 Years later Which they only can use it wit iOS devices.
    Straight from iPhone 4s to 6 they are using Same 8 MP resolution, added OIS after 2 years.
    Guess whats the best Part, APPLE launches 1 Phone per year and these are the specs they come out with.

    You know what keep your iPhone i'l Keep my Lumia.
    10-11-2014 10:09 AM
  2. psoham777's Avatar
    Ha Ha Ha Ha, I So knew this was coming...
    If you think camera from iPhone 5 to 6 is light years ahead, hats off to you.


    I am not even mentioning iOS 7 was copy of Windows Phone,
    iPhone 6 is getting HD screen, NFC, 2 Years later Which they only can use it wit iOS devices.
    Straight from iPhone 4s to 6 they are using Same 8 MP resolution, added OIS after 2 years.
    Guess whats the best Part, APPLE launches 1 Phone per year and these are the specs they come out with.

    You know what keep your iPhone i'l Keep my Lumia.

    He doesn't have an iPhone. Also what's the point having NFC in iPhone 6/6+ when you can't share files with them. So many basic features missing in iPhones, still some iFan won't realize it
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    10-11-2014 10:12 AM
  3. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Ha Ha Ha Ha, I So knew this was coming...
    If you think camera from iPhone 5 to 6 is light years ahead, hats off to you.


    I am not even mentioning iOS 7 was copy of Windows Phone,
    iPhone 6 is getting HD screen, NFC, 2 Years later Which they only can use it wit iOS devices.
    Straight from iPhone 4s to 6 they are using Same 8 MP resolution, added OIS after 2 years.
    Guess whats the best Part, APPLE launches 1 Phone per year and these are the specs they come out with.

    You know what keep your iPhone i'l Keep my Lumia.
    Hats off to your ignorance. You really think there is no difference between the 8MP of 4S and the 6? Nice...then why are we even having this discussion?

    Please don't argue about specifications apart from camera, because in most if not all aspects the specifications of an iPhone will crush any Windows Phone, especially the SOC.

    But that's another discussion for another forum.

    As far as I know, the camera discussion is dead when you people think that megapixels is everything there is to photography.
    10-11-2014 10:15 AM
  4. S Vaibhav's Avatar
    Do you have any idea that an iPhone 5 is a generation behind iPhone 5S and they have different flashes?

    I never said that a Xenon flash was terrible but the misinformation that people are spreading here about single LED flashes is just surprising.

    A Xenon flash may be better for motion capture, but realistically speaking are you more likely to photograph still subjects with flash or moving ones?

    The dual tone flash and Xenon are two different kinds of flashes meant for two different kinds of people.

    http://recombu.com/mobile/article/ip...ts_M19565.html

    Xenon may be brighter than regular flashes, but how much? That's debatable.

    But an iPhone captures way more natural skin tones with it's dual tone(dual LED flash) than the 1020.



    Repeating the same wrong things in every thread? Am I the person who said that 99% of people in developing countries listen to FM and then disappear when asked for proof.

    No, that was *YOU*.
    "A Xenon flash may be better for motion capture, but realistically speaking are you more likely to photograph still subjects with flash or moving ones? "
    You just shot yourself in the foot. You say that realistically we are more likely to capture still objects? Then you're previous arguments about the slow focusing of the 1020 is nuts because who the heck will care about focusing time when the object itself is still. Take as much time as you want..... The object is not going anywhere. Typical iFanboy.

    I showed the proof. did you even click that link I posted in the other thread? You need glasses, along with some IQ boosters.
    10-11-2014 10:25 AM
  5. amrut_m's Avatar
    Hats off to your ignorance. You really think there is no difference between the 8MP of 4S and the 6? Nice...then why are we even having this discussion?

    Please don't argue about specifications apart from camera, because in most if not all aspects the specifications of an iPhone will crush any Windows Phone, especially the SOC.

    But that's another discussion for another forum.

    As far as I know, the camera discussion is dead when you people think that megapixels is everything there is to photography.
    Boy Physics always wins.....
    I am Never said their is a difference between 4S and 6, I SAID THE RESOLUTION IS THE SAME.... i wrote this in CAPS and bold cause i guess you dont read posts properly.

    If megapixels was'nt everything ? In that way no manufacture would have increased the megapixel count in the phone which results in more production costs. It is Never about Megapixels, Its about the sensor used.

    Pre 1020 era, the phone comparisons only stated Megapixel count, but after the introduction of 920 ,1020 and 1520, many websites started a new trend showing how big is the sensor how big is the aperture.

    Let me guess you think, 1020 captures 41 mp images ?
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    10-11-2014 10:29 AM
  6. mjrtoo's Avatar
    Xenon is always better than a dual led flash. Also with xenon flash you could get better low light photos! Is it so hard to swallow this bitter truth?
    I'm saying it's a nonsense argument and really pointless when it comes to the question of quality of the actual images that come out of a camera. Flash on all phones sucks, I never use it...except for a flashlight.
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    10-11-2014 10:46 AM
  7. psoham777's Avatar
    I'm saying it's a nonsense argument and really pointless when it comes to the question of quality of the actual images that come out of a camera. Flash on all phones sucks, I never use it...except for a flashlight.


    So if you don't use flash, what's the point in comparing a phone's camera?

    Just randomly come up with iPhone as the best camera in low light?
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    10-11-2014 10:52 AM
  8. amrut_m's Avatar
    I'm saying it's a nonsense argument and really pointless when it comes to the question of quality of the actual images that come out of a camera. Flash on all phones sucks, I never use it...except for a flashlight.
    I use my Phones Flash ALOT, Parties, events, Festivals, Crazy **** i tell my nieces to do ( capturing them in mid air ) also for my photography.
    As far as i am concerned i wont get back to Phones LED flashes now, Addicted to Xenon Flash.
    Those who know how to use a xenon flash will get great pictures in daylight too.
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    10-11-2014 11:07 AM
  9. mjrtoo's Avatar
    So if you don't use flash, what's the point in comparing a phone's camera?

    Just randomly come up with iPhone as the best camera in low light?
    What? The quality of the final product is what's most important, and the argument of the 6 being better than the 1020 on that measure is simply incorrect. Saying a camera is better because their flash is better isn't comparing photographs it's comparing flash, and that's not really what camera quality should be based on. Nor speed, nor complexity.
    10-11-2014 11:24 AM
  10. spaulagain's Avatar
    Hats off to your ignorance. You really think there is no difference between the 8MP of 4S and the 6? Nice...then why are we even having this discussion?

    Please don't argue about specifications apart from camera, because in most if not all aspects the specifications of an iPhone will crush any Windows Phone, especially the SOC.

    But that's another discussion for another forum.

    As far as I know, the camera discussion is dead when you people think that megapixels is everything there is to photography.
    That's not what we think. My D-SLR is an 8mp (old school 30D) sensor, and yes it clearly takes better photos than my 41mp 1020. But from phone to phone, megapixels is a significant factor, especially for zooming (when there is no optical zoom).

    But it's not just the megapixels, its the sensor itself. The only place I see the iPhone sometimes beating a 1020 is with post processing/compiling. But that can all be tweaked. And the 1020 can produce RAW files if you want.
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    10-11-2014 11:24 AM
  11. JamesPTao's Avatar
    These posts are always pretty damn funny and pointless. Yes we get it, iPhone people have to believe their phone is best at everything. Maybe its to justify the price?...who knows. Sorry to hurt all the iPhone fan's feelings but it fails when compared to the 1020 in all areas except speed. 1020 has a bigger sensor, more mp, better quality glass, ability to shoot in raw, zenon flash. To compare the two thinking iPhone has an edge is nonsense. If you want to disregard the 1020 so you can feel better then point to the fact it took its tech from the Nokia Symbian phone. Any other argument either shows you know nothing of what you're talking about or delusional!
    10-11-2014 11:51 AM
  12. Ejai Eghwofobe's Avatar
    This. So much this.

    Dude, I appreciate your review but you just walked in to a lion's den covered in meat. These people don't take criticism well even if it might mean Microsoft/Nokia improving their cameras in response to Apple's achievement. amrut's photos are really spectacular but photography isn't just about making the person stand there for a couple seconds, it's about those truly spontaneous and special shots that you get just at the spur of the moment. When I had my 920, it was touted as superior low-light but it failed in most things, speed included. Then the images came through processing as a blur and a great camera sensor is something I look for in a cell phone. That along with completely missing some possibly incredible and memorable shots sucked because it was just too damn slow was rough. I gave up on Microsoft sometime ago so I haven't used the 1520 but I think I can suspect what you mean by that delay.

    However I can comment on the amount of time it takes to focus using the 6. Wow, it's fast, I mean instant and things really do come out looking great. You just have to choose which phone fits your photography style more.

    amrut, if I were you, I'd seriously stop calling people with differing opinions sheep and to take the tinfoil hat off and stop thinking everyone is paid off by Apple because honestly, the OP isn't the one coming off as a flaming fanboy, it's you. You can disagree but stop acting like a raging child. It doesn't matter if your phone has superior specs, in the end it doesn't mean anything if you didn't get the shot you wanted.

    And now to read up on why the 1520 camera fails in comparison to the 1020. Excuse me.
    10-11-2014 12:03 PM
  13. Muessig's Avatar
    This is an interesting argument but is degrading into name calling and insults. Keep this thread on topic and keep it civil otherwise we'll be forced to close this thread.
    10-11-2014 12:06 PM
  14. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Boy Physics always wins.....
    I am Never said their is a difference between 4S and 6, I SAID THE RESOLUTION IS THE SAME.... i wrote this in CAPS and bold cause i guess you dont read posts properly.

    If megapixels was'nt everything ? In that way no manufacture would have increased the megapixel count in the phone which results in more production costs. It is Never about Megapixels, Its about the sensor used.

    Pre 1020 era, the phone comparisons only stated Megapixel count, but after the introduction of 920 ,1020 and 1520, many websites started a new trend showing how big is the sensor how big is the aperture.

    Let me guess you think, 1020 captures 41 mp images ?
    I'd like to make it clear that Nokia has always used relatively large sensors for their phones with autofocus cameras since the Symbian era.

    For instance, the Nokia N8-00 has a sensor size of 1/1.83".

    Well, the large sensor size combined with the oversampling rather makes the pixel size argument rather moot, as oversampling effectively combines pixels.
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    10-11-2014 12:25 PM
  15. Jarip's Avatar
    I use my Phones Flash ALOT, Parties, events, Festivals, Crazy **** i tell my nieces to do ( capturing them in mid air ) also for my photography.
    As far as i am concerned i wont get back to Phones LED flashes now, Addicted to Xenon Flash.
    Those who know how to use a xenon flash will get great pictures in daylight too.
    Yeah, Xenon flash is really great in a daylight too, specially in a such case that there is strong backlight behind of your friend ... well, you can not be too far from your friend, but it still works in the such cases (LED flash does not work at all in the similar situations) ... so do not keep Xenon flash off, keep it in auto mode :)
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    10-11-2014 01:38 PM
  16. mjrtoo's Avatar
    The Lumia 1020 has a 2/3 sensor, the iPhone 6 has a 1/2.66. It's quite a bit smaller. If you're saying it's not about megapixels, and it's not, it's about sensor size then right?
    10-11-2014 01:42 PM
  17. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    sigh this is like comparing a prius to a tesla,its pointless
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    10-11-2014 02:43 PM
  18. spaulagain's Avatar
    I'd like to make it clear that Nokia has always used relatively large sensors for their phones with autofocus cameras since the Symbian era.

    For instance, the Nokia N8-00 has a sensor size of 1/1.83".

    Well, the large sensor size combined with the oversampling rather makes the pixel size argument rather moot, as oversampling effectively combines pixels.
    The 41mp on the 1020 is all about providing better digital zoom since no phone has optical zoom at the moment.

    The 1020 isn't awesome because any one of those specs, it's awesome because it has all those specs combined. MP, LARGE sensor, better flash, better glass, etc. It's just like any D-SLR you buy, the megapixels isn't the only factor in the quality of the image, its the quality of glass you have, the sensor, things like the number of focal points, etc.
    10-11-2014 02:46 PM
  19. BatteryLife's Avatar
    The 41mp on the 1020 is all about providing better digital zoom since no phone has optical zoom at the moment.

    The 1020 isn't awesome because any one of those specs, it's awesome because it has all those specs combined. MP, LARGE sensor, better flash, better glass, etc. It's just like any D-SLR you buy, the megapixels isn't the only factor in the quality of the image, its the quality of glass you have, the sensor, things like the number of focal points, etc.
    Looks like you're misinformed. Have you heard of the Samsung galaxy zoom lineup? ==

    And... The Lumia only had one focal point
    10-11-2014 08:34 PM
  20. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    In all retrospect the Samsung galaxy zoom series are more camera that's also a phone, while the 1020 is still pretty much viewed as a phone with an amazing camera.
    10-11-2014 08:43 PM
  21. amrut_m's Avatar
    Looks like you're misinformed. Have you heard of the Samsung galaxy zoom lineup? ==

    And... The Lumia only had one focal point
    Anyone can attach a Camera to a Phone and it can be the Best Smartphone Camera.
    Sony can do this pretty easily, instead they know people don't like bulky phones.
    Also, to Point out Samsung Galaxy Zoom's Camera Software is Bad, like really bad. Even the Algorithms. When you select Shutter speed in Nokia Camera, it selects the best possible ISO range or if u select ISO it selects the shutter speed automatically. But in Zoom, you have to to everything manually. Too many trial errors.
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    10-11-2014 11:55 PM
  22. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Looks like you're misinformed. Have you heard of the Samsung galaxy zoom lineup? ==

    And... The Lumia only had one focal point
    samsung galaxy zoom is a joke
    its a mediocre point and shoot taped to a lousy handset(literally)
    its not a good phone,neither a good camera
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    10-12-2014 01:01 AM
  23. spaulagain's Avatar
    Looks like you're misinformed. Have you heard of the Samsung galaxy zoom lineup? ==

    And... The Lumia only had one focal point
    You're kidding right? Galaxy Zooms, now those are funny.

    I was talking about focal points on a D-SLR. When buying a D-SLR, you don't just look at the megapixels, you look at other factors like number of auto focus points, sensor size, etc. My point being that one attribute is almost never a reason to buy a camera. It's combination of factors.
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    10-12-2014 01:12 AM
  24. arifdanials's Avatar
    Nevertheless, the Lumia Denim firmware update will significantly increase the capture speed as well as the camera start up speed with the Lumia Camera app on existing Lumia smartphones. The global roll out of the Lumia Denim update is said to be globally roll out in the next 2 weeks.

    http://www.windowscentral.com/lumia-...denim-hands-on
    http://wmpoweruser.com/claim-lumia-d...ut-in-2-weeks/
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    10-12-2014 02:25 AM
  25. a1rphones's Avatar
    This is how iPhone owners justify their purchase. They obviously became delusional just to justify their decision. iPhone 6 better camera? Wait for iPhone 12...... Maybe it happens. LmAO 😂....
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    10-12-2014 03:44 AM
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