12-16-2014 03:57 PM
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  1. thesachd's Avatar
    i highly doubt that
    my friends phone has had quite a few instances of malware and lost money thanks to it
    Blackberry and symbian werent bound to fail
    android was bound to fail then it copied ios and used competitive pricing
    android has malware right in play store so i wouldnt blame its poor security completely on unknown sources
    ok lets assume what you said is true for a moment,tell me why BB10 doesnt have malware yet then? It doesnt even have play services etc,only relies on unknown sources
    android and ios are too busy competing to notice windows phone in 6th gear,accelerating to overtake them with windows 10
    android and ios have reached a certain saturation,now all that is changing is the UI but people arent taking the change properly
    I myself switched from android to windows phone and havent found enough reasons to shift back
    whats the chances of more people thinking in my way
    Possibly the best way to sum up Windows Phone in a few paragraphs is this, courtesy of an AC member:

    The inherent flaws with WP8 is that it has all of the limitations of iOS, but none of the app support to make up for it. It's basically a crippled iOS with a different UI.

    "In the beginning, Android didn't have the app support of iOS either. But how it differed was the free reign it gave you to your files, and it allowed customization like widgets/rooting/launchers/custom ROMs etc.

    WP8 has none of that. It has nothing going for it compared to iOS or Android."

    Also Android didn't copy iOS during it's inception anymore than Windows Phone did. Android has always kept a distinct UI. And you can't copy "competitive pricing". The term and strategy existed long before Android, Apple did not come up with it.

    Honestly speaking what viruses have you or your friends experienced? What we're they like and what happened? Maybe you guys are making a fuss over nothing?

    The chances of more thinking your way are slim, the chances of people thinking to opposite may be larger.

    Honestly Windows 10 is offering barely anything Android hasn't been offering since maybe 2012...?
    11-20-2014 02:02 PM
  2. tanya shah1's Avatar
    Possibly the best way to sum up Windows Phone in a few paragraphs is this, courtesy of an AC member:

    The inherent flaws with WP8 is that it has all of the limitations of iOS, but none of the app support to make up for it. It's basically a crippled iOS with a different UI.

    "In the beginning, Android didn't have the app support of iOS either. But how it differed was the free reign it gave you to your files, and it allowed customization like widgets/rooting/launchers/custom ROMs etc.

    WP8 has none of that. It has nothing going for it compared to iOS or Android."

    Also Android didn't copy iOS during it's inception anymore than Windows Phone did. Android has always kept a distinct UI. And you can't copy "competitive pricing". The term and strategy existed long before Android, Apple did not come up with it.

    Honestly speaking what viruses have you or your friends experienced? What we're they like and what happened? Maybe you guys are making a fuss over nothing?

    The chances of more thinking your way are slim, the chances of people thinking to opposite may be larger.

    Honestly Windows 10 is offering barely anything Android hasn't been offering since maybe 2012...?
    i beg to differ windows 10 is already a major plus on my laptop and i dont see why the phone version wont be just as great
    the only reason android became popular was because symbian and ios were slow to adapt
    android was a fluke nothing else,if you ask me windows mobile and symbian were way better than android 1-2.3
    I wouldnt accept an AC members verdict of windows phone because he probably hasnt used one properly and is just assuming windows phone is bad
    I would accept someone who has used all of them such as my brother or my bf instead
    also android is arguably the most malware ridden platform ive used
    a fuss over nothing?? well i wouldnt call credit card hacking a fuss over nothing
    windows phone didnt copy ios or android
    you forget symbian was owned by Nokia/MS and so was windows mobile(owned by MS) and the ill fated N900 and N9- meego(Nokia)
    so windows phone is technically the successor for these old contenders
    android lacks proper security,design,bugfree usage(android L is buggier than WP8.1 and ios8.1) etc
    11-25-2014 01:19 PM
  3. thesachd's Avatar
    i beg to differ windows 10 is already a major plus on my laptop and i dont see why the phone version wont be just as great
    the only reason android became popular was because symbian and ios were slow to adapt
    android was a fluke nothing else,if you ask me windows mobile and symbian were way better than android 1-2.3
    I wouldnt accept an AC members verdict of windows phone because he probably hasnt used one properly and is just assuming windows phone is bad
    I would accept someone who has used all of them such as my brother or my bf instead
    also android is arguably the most malware ridden platform ive used
    a fuss over nothing?? well i wouldnt call credit card hacking a fuss over nothing
    windows phone didnt copy ios or android
    you forget symbian was owned by Nokia/MS and so was windows mobile(owned by MS) and the ill fated N900 and N9- meego(Nokia)
    so windows phone is technically the successor for these old contenders
    android lacks proper security,design,bugfree usage(android L is buggier than WP8.1 and ios8.1) etc
    When evidence is nonexistent for most of your claims, the point of arguing is negated because you will likely never learn.
    11-25-2014 01:23 PM
  4. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    When evidence is nonexistent for most of your claims, the point of arguing is negated because you will likely never learn.
    Just helping the guy (or gal) you're supposed to reply to...
    My friend's Android phones have never used apps outside the Google Play store, yet he experienced this bug/virus/worm that fill up his gallery and renders his camera unusable.

    The worst part of it is he was not alone...

    And claiming Windows Phone is a "crippled iOS with different UI" is a far cry or perhaps an outdated argument from someone who haven't used Windows Phone since Mango.
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    12-07-2014 01:00 PM
  5. thesachd's Avatar
    Just helping the guy (or gal) you're supposed to reply to...
    My friend's Android phones have never used apps outside the Google Play store, yet he experienced this bug/virus/worm that fill up his gallery and renders his camera unusable.

    The worst part of it is he was not alone...

    And claiming Windows Phone is a "crippled iOS with different UI" is a far cry or perhaps an outdated argument from someone who haven't used Windows Phone since Mango.
    I know, iOS can do more. But that's another discussion.

    What error did the camera throw in your friend's device and what device was it?
    12-07-2014 02:45 PM
  6. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    I know, iOS can do more. But that's another discussion.

    What error did the camera throw in your friend's device and what device was it?
    well, it's not iOS who has the best implementation of folders :)

    I can't remember the specific device, but it was a mid/low-range Samsung phone
    it said something like "memory full" despite there were quite a lot of spaces available
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    12-07-2014 05:02 PM
  7. thesachd's Avatar
    well, it's not iOS who has the best implementation of folders :)

    I can't remember the specific device, but it was a mid/low-range Samsung phone
    it said something like "memory full" despite there were quite a lot of spaces available
    He pirated apps, extremely likely he did. Your description of the virus is vague, and anyone who gets a virus denies that he was ever at fault. Also since his device is a low end Samsung device it is likely he never got an update and it was running an outdated version of Android.

    Significant progress in security has been made since then, and I haven't heard of a person getting a virus on his Note 4(the device getting discussed in this thread)
    12-08-2014 05:50 AM
  8. bijak_riyandi's Avatar
    He pirated apps, extremely likely he did. Your description of the virus is vague, and anyone who gets a virus denies that he was ever at fault. Also since his device is a low end Samsung device it is likely he never got an update and it was running an outdated version of Android.

    Significant progress in security has been made since then, and I haven't heard of a person getting a virus on his Note 4(the device getting discussed in this thread)
    Denial is denial :)
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    12-09-2014 05:15 PM
  9. tanya shah1's Avatar
    He pirated apps, extremely likely he did. Your description of the virus is vague, and anyone who gets a virus denies that he was ever at fault. Also since his device is a low end Samsung device it is likely he never got an update and it was running an outdated version of Android.

    Significant progress in security has been made since then, and I haven't heard of a person getting a virus on his Note 4(the device getting discussed in this thread)
    pirated apps???
    play store itself has malware
    https://www.google.co.in/search?q=go...m=122&ie=UTF-8
    a simple google search will tell you that much
    12-13-2014 08:25 PM
  10. thesachd's Avatar
    pirated apps???
    play store itself has malware
    https://www.google.co.in/search?q=go...m=122&ie=UTF-8
    a simple google search will tell you that much
    Android being arguably the most popular operating system out there is targeted quite a bit with these exploits.

    But show me an example where anyone has lost data or has gotten damage through such hacks...?

    Google has a pretty robust system to prevent malware even once it has been found on the Play Store, Google Play Services updates keep users from losing any data.

    Windows Phone employs many of the same security techniques as the full fledged Windows, yet I wonder why Windows has more reports of hacks and malware than Windows Phone?

    I admit that there are places where Windows Phone is significantly more secure than competing operating systems, but that doesn't mean it can't be exploited/hacked, it's just that consumers show very little interest in this platform and hackers show even less.
    12-14-2014 06:17 AM
  11. tanya shah1's Avatar
    Android being arguably the most popular operating system out there is targeted quite a bit with these exploits.

    But show me an example where anyone has lost data or has gotten damage through such hacks...?

    Google has a pretty robust system to prevent malware even once it has been found on the Play Store, Google Play Services updates keep users from losing any data.

    Windows Phone employs many of the same security techniques as the full fledged Windows, yet I wonder why Windows has more reports of hacks and malware than Windows Phone?

    I admit that there are places where Windows Phone is significantly more secure than competing operating systems, but that doesn't mean it can't be exploited/hacked, it's just that consumers show very little interest in this platform and hackers show even less.
    your logic is invalid ,windows phone doesnt allow xap deployment etc easily so piracy and security issues could never hit windows phone easily unless a proper kernel exploit is found
    going by your reasoning,pls tell me why windows phone is still secure despite sharing a kernel etc with desktop windows,surely it wouldnt take much to exploit windows phone if its sooo easy to exploit windows

    no one will care why android is "targeted" as you like to say,because everyone only wants security and android just doesnt provide that
    ok lets assume your logic is correct,tell me why only 2 small exploits have ever made it to ios which is equally popular while android swims in malware even from its own play store
    also why wouldnt ios users be targeted more? iphones are mighty expensive whereas majority of android devices are cheaper android handsets and aosp small manufacturers etc so wouldnt hackers target ios more

    i know quite a few people who ended up with malware straight from the play store

    why is android the only phone os with full fledged malware issues? why is it the only os with antiviruses in its store?why is it the only os with malware right in its own play store?
    even the 2 known ios exploits are either in cydia(jailbroken ios app) or webkit(limited without a jailbreak)
    12-14-2014 08:25 AM
  12. thesachd's Avatar
    your logic is invalid ,windows phone doesnt allow xap deployment etc easily so piracy and security issues could never hit windows phone easily unless a proper kernel exploit is found
    going by your reasoning,pls tell me why windows phone is still secure despite sharing a kernel etc with desktop windows,surely it wouldnt take much to exploit windows phone if its sooo easy to exploit windows

    no one will care why android is "targeted" as you like to say,because everyone only wants security and android just doesnt provide that
    ok lets assume your logic is correct,tell me why only 2 small exploits have ever made it to ios which is equally popular while android swims in malware even from its own play store
    also why wouldnt ios users be targeted more? iphones are mighty expensive whereas majority of android devices are cheaper android handsets and aosp small manufacturers etc so wouldnt hackers target ios more

    i know quite a few people who ended up with malware straight from the play store

    why is android the only phone os with full fledged malware issues? why is it the only os with antiviruses in its store?why is it the only os with malware right in its own play store?
    even the 2 known ios exploits are either in cydia(jailbroken ios app) or webkit(limited without a jailbreak)
    Kernel exploits have been found, never tried and tested on Windows Phone but found on Windows 8.

    http://beta.techradar.com/news/softw...curity-1245903

    I won't care to answer the rest of your questions because most experts agree that Android is secure, you guys don't and have shown no evidence to support what viruses you got so I can't say much.

    But about Android. Applications work in a sandbox it is basically something they are limited to, now the sandbox can be either highly locked down or open.

    iOS chose to go closed sandbox, apps couldn't interact with each other, no app could draw over another, and so on. But since iOS had the first App Store, devs easily agreed to the limitations.

    Android being as open as it is gives developers and OEMs to make applications and features that can go out system wide. This approach allows for some of the most functional apps ever.

    But at the same time Android's approach is also more prone to security risks and Google has been working hard to resolve them. I've also never heard someone being affected badly by any of the supposed malware news that pops up every now and then.

    The Note 4 is miles ahead of whatever a 1520 can muster, exactly why Android today is more functional than any other OS.

    You may choose to agree or disagree. But Windows Phone is basically as locked down as an OS as iOS with none of the app support or optimisation to make up for it, Android has the apps, has less restrictions but faces security risks.

    In any case, Windows Phone wouldn't be on top. I guess it could be the most secure platform now, given that no one gives a crap about it. But if it ever rose to the popularity of Android, if it didn't die along the way, you can sure as hell bet that hackers would target it.

    Edit: Also this thread was conceding the 1520 and Note 4. Unless you can show me any virus/malware reports on the Note 4, please refrain from posting stuff that isn't relevant.
    12-14-2014 10:24 AM
  13. tanya shah1's Avatar
    The Note 4 is miles ahead of whatever a 1520 can muster, exactly why Android today is more functional than any other OS.
    i came from a note 3 to 1520 and i completely disagree
    before you say touchwiz was the problem,i would like to say ive tweaked around alot with settings,roms etc (CM) and android was still pathetic
    windows phone 8.1 on the 1520 beats the note 3
    note 4 isnt that different so 1520 is miles ahead of note 4 as well

    Edit: Also this thread was conceding the 1520 and Note 4. Unless you can show me any virus/malware reports on the Note 4, please refrain from posting stuff that isn't relevant.
    too bad because i had a note 3 ridden with malware straight from the play store which started charging me for stuff for no reason
    also im not into piracy etc so its definately an issue with the play store and android
    also you are the one taking stuff off topic not me ,you seem to have an issue with anyone posting stuff against android
    maybe you should accept flaws of android instead of getting defensive

    You may choose to agree or disagree. But Windows Phone is basically as locked down as an OS as iOS with none of the app support or optimisation to make up for it, Android has the apps, has less restrictions but faces security risks.
    so your saying i should compromise my security to play more games?
    which is untrue because ios has wayy more (and better quality) games than android

    In any case, Windows Phone wouldn't be on top. I guess it could be the most secure platform now, given that no one gives a crap about it. But if it ever rose to the popularity of Android, if it didn't die along the way, you can sure as hell bet that hackers would target it
    you miss the logic dont you?
    android is not just targeted,it has geniune issues with piracy and security
    why else would ios still be safe along with windows phone and even BB10
    doesnt BB10 also have an android runtime inbuilt,why would the same malware affect android but cant do a thing on BB10

    Android being as open as it is gives developers and OEMs to make applications and features that can go out system wide. This approach allows for some of the most functional apps ever.
    and the most unnecessarily cluttered and complicated for the simplest of tasks

    not to mention fragmentation-touchwiz,timescape,google experience,idea launcher etc anyone

    Kernel exploits have been found, never tried and tested on Windows Phone but found on Windows 8.
    ok then tell me my friend,why is windows phone still secure then?
    surely it couldnt be very difficult to exploit windows phone with the exact same kernel exploit
    see the logic,windows phone is just too secure

    iOS chose to go closed sandbox, apps couldn't interact with each other, no app could draw over another, and so on. But since iOS had the first App Store, devs easily agreed to the limitations
    wrong
    then tell me why FB and twitter integration,the "open in" option in apps such as mail etc still work

    But at the same time Android's approach is also more prone to security risks and Google has been working hard to resolve them. I've also never heard someone being affected badly by any of the supposed malware news that pops up every now and then.
    doesnt look like they can do much,once the security is ruined,its too late to patch it unless reworked completely
    Last edited by Guytronic; 12-15-2014 at 11:30 PM.
    12-15-2014 04:32 AM
  14. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    and the most unnecessarily cluttered and complicated for the simplest of tasks
    For example, group texting. On both iOS and Windows Phone, all you have to do is simply toggle this feature on and off. With Android, you have to download a third party app to make this simple feature work.
    12-15-2014 04:43 AM
  15. tanya shah1's Avatar
    For example, group texting. On both iOS and Windows Phone, all you have to do is simply toggle this feature on and off. With Android, you have to download a third party app to make this simple feature work.
    yep plus even the inbuilt hangouts and messenger app in Nexus often miss messages even if its in the notification centre
    if basic stuff runs so bad on an os,its no longer worth considering
    12-15-2014 04:57 AM
  16. Godson Arun Kumar's Avatar
    That's the reason for it's crappy performance too. I'm an average user and I haven't as yet found an app or extra feature in an app that the WP store couldn't satisfy for me. And no cheap widget or gimmick can replace the cool transparent live tiles on windows with it's parallax effect. Windows 10 is only going to improve this fantastic UI further with possibly landscape oriented tiles. Boy would that be sumptuous for live tiles. So boooo away boring old android.
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    12-15-2014 05:04 AM
  17. thesachd's Avatar
    i came from a note 3 to 1520 and i completely disagree
    before you say touchwiz was the problem,i would like to say ive tweaked around alot with settings,roms etc (CM) and android was still pathetic
    windows phone 8.1 on the 1520 beats the note 3
    note 4 isnt that different so 1520 is miles ahead of note 4 as well
    You seem to display the same kind of attitude a guy called Karthik Naik did.

    Anyways with features such as multi window, true multitasking, an extra gigabyte of RAM, a 2K display, a stylus, Gorilla Glass 4 the 1520 doesn't touch the Note 4's greatness.

    I seriously doubt you ever owned a Note 4. I've talked to some people online that have owned it, and they are extremely fond of it, loving TouchWiz and it's features more than anything in the world:

    https://plus.google.com/+TonySalinasLeDerpyDerp

    https://plus.google.com/105060560355900785579

    And those are just two, I've rarely come across anyone that isn't satisfied with his Note.


    too bad because i had a note 3 ridden with malware straight from the play store which started charging me for stuff for no reason
    also im not into piracy etc so its definately an issue with the play store and android
    also you are the one taking stuff off topic not me ,you seem to have an issue with anyone posting stuff against android
    maybe you should accept flaws of android instead of getting defensive
    No don't care until you can prove what kind of malware you had. I don't trust a single bit of in formation you give because you are extremely similar to Karthik Naik who would often give similar statements.


    I've yet to hear any such reports of people losing money from their Note 3 or 4 because of some imaginary malware.

    so your saying i should compromise my security to play more games?
    which is untrue because ios has wayy more (and better quality) games than android
    No, not just games. Games were never the topic, born was iOS.

    Features such as Multi Window, screen recording and apps like link bubble, android download manager, Facebook chat heads and so on...

    All this Windows Phone can't do.

    you miss the logic dont you?
    android is not just targeted,it has geniune issues with piracy and security
    why else would ios still be safe along with windows phone and even BB10
    doesnt BB10 also have an android runtime inbuilt,why would the same malware affect android but cant do a thing on BB10
    Android is safe. Please show me a genuine article by a good company that says Android is not a secure operating system.

    and the most unnecessarily cluttered and complicated for the simplest of tasks

    not to mention fragmentation-touchwiz,timescape,google experience,idea launcher etc anyone
    Fragmentation is an issue that you wouldn't understand. There are tons of people that purchased Android devices years ago and weren't willing to upgrade.

    The fragmentation chart for Windows Phone would also be terrible today if Windows Phone 7 devices had sold back in 2010 and 2011, but they did not. Even today Windows Phone sales are extremely low compared to Android making updates easier.

    Fragmentation also doesn't affect good quality devices, so stop beating a dead hose again and again and again.

    Also the ability for OEMs to tweak Android is also the reason why Android is the most advanced platform there is, offering PC like functionality on phones, phablets and tablets.

    ok then tell me my friend,why is windows phone still secure then?
    surely it couldnt be very difficult to exploit windows phone with the exact same kernel exploit
    see the logic,windows phone is just too secure
    No one cares about Windows Phone, the majority of uses are those that own low end Lumia 520 any hacks or so would reap barely any benefits.

    I watch Hackathon's and so on, and I know that there are places where Windows Phone security is miles ahead of Android but as a whole Android can't be called an insecure operating system.

    wrong
    then tell me why FB and twitter integration,the "open in" option in apps such as mail etc still work
    Certain applications can definitely get permission to work around the limitations, even some Windows Phone apps can draw over others but it's rare and not as advanced as Android.

    For example, group texting. On both iOS and Windows Phone, all you have to do is simply toggle this feature on and off. With Android, you have to download a third party app to make this simple feature work.
    Uhmm last I checked most stock messaging apps supported group messaging.

    yep plus even the inbuilt hangouts and messenger app in Nexus often miss messages even if its in the notification centre
    if basic stuff runs so bad on an os,its no longer worth considering
    I heard this same issues being reported by Kathik Naik. Never have I seen a report like this nor have I ever experienced any such issues myself.
    12-15-2014 09:22 AM
  18. tanya shah1's Avatar
    I heard this same issues being reported by Kathik Naik. Never have I seen a report like this nor have I ever experienced any such issues myself.
    then you arent looking in the right places
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/Ti1XexwQ3CU
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/ZPTpmnIxiko
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/G0MhJY6lSpc
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/Ya2SLGjmFG4

    alot of users have reported such issues

    Uhmm last I checked most stock messaging apps supported group messaging
    umm i think he meant its not easy to do on android as it is on ios and wp or even bb10

    No one cares about Windows Phone, the majority of uses are those that own low end Lumia 520 any hacks or so would reap barely any benefits.

    I watch Hackathon's and so on, and I know that there are places where Windows Phone security is miles ahead of Android but as a whole Android can't be called an insecure operating system.
    ^^this is a great joke!!
    if you have any understanding of how security of an os works,you should know that android is currently the most and only flaw ridden system right now
    every other os even if exploitable requires a loophole created by complex means such as a jailbreak or a kernel exploit etc

    Certain applications can definitely get permission to work around the limitations, even some Windows Phone apps can draw over others but it's rare and not as advanced as Android.
    "advanced as android?" what? whats the difference? i fail to understand,its the exactly the same on all platforms
    how is android advanced

    Fragmentation is an issue that you wouldn't understand. There are tons of people that purchased Android devices years ago and weren't willing to upgrade.
    yeah right tell that to people who buy samsung handsets or chinese phones
    samsung and chinese phones make up for majority of android marketshare so fragmentation is a major issue

    The fragmentation chart for Windows Phone would also be terrible today if Windows Phone 7 devices had sold back in 2010 and 2011, but they did not. Even today Windows Phone sales are extremely low compared to Android making updates easier.
    see the thing is a mistake committed once can be forgiven
    microsoft has kept its promises so far and the issues were genuine with wp7 devices in alot of ways,want proof-see how well jolla,ubuntu touch based roms run on android handsets
    see the connection-different kernels of the same source-Linux and windows
    it would have taken alot of unnecessary effort and funds to upgrade wp7 to wp8 and by the time it would have been stable,the phones would have been outdated or wouldnt have run well
    google repeats the same mistakes with android since the day it took over,fragmentation is genuinely a concern
    ALL wp8 devices got wp8.1 in some way or another-DP or official updates,
    AFAIK only nexus and play editions get DP updates so any other phone with no more official support cannot even use DP at their own risk and have to rely on official updates from the OEM/carrier or from a third party(often too buggy for proper use)

    also microsoft did take efforts to atleast release WP7.8 for all WP7 devices to help bring atleast a little bit of WP8 exclusive stuff to WP7
    I dont remember google taking such efforts

    so please remember to research and post next time

    Android is safe. Please show me a genuine article by a good company that says Android is not a secure operating system.
    A clear-eyed guide to Android's actual security risks | InfoWorld

    Android Security Remains a Glaring Problem: 10 Reasons Why

    How Secure Is Android, Really?

    Google Play Android apps security flaw detailed in new research paper | BGR

    Mobile Security Threats | Android Security Issues | Kaspersky Lab US

    Android still triggers the most mobile malware, says F-Secure - CNET

    seem proof enough?

    I seriously doubt you ever owned a Note 4. I've talked to some people online that have owned it, and they are extremely fond of it, loving TouchWiz and it's features more than anything in the world:
    i came from a note 3 to 1520
    you have difficulty reading then
    also i dont care if i have the same attitude as some friend of yours,all i know is i was unhappy with android for geniune reasons and windows phone and ios have impressed me more

    All this Windows Phone can't do
    and doesnt need
    because android is too complicated and cluttered
    windows phone and ios are beautiful to use
    android L can try as hard as it wants to emulate this experience but itll never be as smooth ,secure or well designed as ios and windows phone

    Fragmentation is an issue that you wouldn't understand. There are tons of people that purchased Android devices years ago and weren't willing to upgrade
    ohh yeah
    well not everyone is born rich enough to buy flagships every year
    also everyone is entitled to value for money

    I've talked to some people online that have owned it, and they are extremely fond of it, loving TouchWiz and it's features more than anything in the world
    ohh yeah did they tell you it ships with free bloatware and lag and no updates

    Anyways with features such as multi window, true multitasking, an extra gigabyte of RAM, a 2K display, a stylus, Gorilla Glass 4 the 1520 doesn't touch the Note 4's greatness.
    yeah thats why i prefer to drive my monster truck to work every day instead of a regular,practical car
    sarcasm apart,to quote steve jobs- "god gave us 10 styluses,lets not invent another"



    as for malware-http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/latest-security-news/surge-mobile-malware-affects-11-6-million-devices/
    Last edited by Guytronic; 12-15-2014 at 11:32 PM.
    12-15-2014 11:52 AM
  19. thesachd's Avatar
    then you arent looking in the right places
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/Ti1XexwQ3CU
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/ZPTpmnIxiko
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/G0MhJY6lSpc
    https://productforums.google.com/for...ts/Ya2SLGjmFG4

    alot of users have reported such issues



    umm i think he meant its not easy to do on android as it is on ios and wp or even bb10



    ^^this is a great joke!!
    if you have any understanding of how security of an os works,you should know that android is currently the most and only flaw ridden system right now
    every other os even if exploitable requires a loophole created by complex means such as a jailbreak or a kernel exploit etc



    "advanced as android?" what? whats the difference? i fail to understand,its the exactly the same on all platforms
    how is android advanced



    yeah right tell that to people who buy samsung handsets or chinese phones
    samsung and chinese phones make up for majority of android marketshare so fragmentation is a major issue



    see the thing is a mistake committed once can be forgiven
    microsoft has kept its promises so far and the issues were genuine with wp7 devices in alot of ways,want proof-see how well jolla,ubuntu touch based roms run on android handsets
    see the connection-different kernels of the same source-Linux and windows
    it would have taken alot of unnecessary effort and funds to upgrade wp7 to wp8 and by the time it would have been stable,the phones would have been outdated or wouldnt have run well
    google repeats the same mistakes with android since the day it took over,fragmentation is genuinely a concern
    ALL wp8 devices got wp8.1 in some way or another-DP or official updates,
    AFAIK only nexus and play editions get DP updates so any other phone with no more official support cannot even use DP at their own risk and have to rely on official updates from the OEM/carrier or from a third party(often too buggy for proper use)

    also microsoft did take efforts to atleast release WP7.8 for all WP7 devices to help bring atleast a little bit of WP8 exclusive stuff to WP7
    I dont remember google taking such efforts

    so please remember to research and post next time



    A clear-eyed guide to Android's actual security risks | InfoWorld

    Android Security Remains a Glaring Problem: 10 Reasons Why

    How Secure Is Android, Really?

    Google Play Android apps security flaw detailed in new research paper | BGR

    Mobile Security Threats | Android Security Issues | Kaspersky Lab US

    Android still triggers the most mobile malware, says F-Secure - CNET

    seem proof enough?





    you have difficulty reading then
    also i dont care if i have the same attitude as some friend of yours,all i know is i was unhappy with android for geniune reasons and windows phone and ios have impressed me more



    and doesnt need
    because android is too complicated and cluttered
    windows phone and ios are beautiful to use
    android L can try as hard as it wants to emulate this experience but itll never be as smooth ,secure or well designed as ios and windows phone



    ohh yeah
    well not everyone is born rich enough to buy flagships every year
    also everyone is entitled to value for money



    ohh yeah did they tell you it ships with free bloatware and lag and no updates



    yeah thats why i prefer to drive my monster truck to work every day instead of a regular,practical car
    sarcasm apart,to quote steve jobs- "god gave us 10 styluses,lets not invent another"



    as for malware-http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/latest-security-news/surge-mobile-malware-affects-11-6-million-devices/
    I won't bother to read all of it, however there are glaring mistakes in your own arguments. From your list of articles above that says is Android secure...this article actually says it is:

    http://lifehacker.com/how-secure-is-...lly-1446328680

    Basically by posting that link you've effectively killed your own argument, not that is was a well reasoned argument anyways.

    Be careful next time before copying every single link you find on Google.
    12-16-2014 06:24 AM
  20. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    I own a 1520, my friend has a note 4, the note is the only lag free android I would consider, something about windows tells me not to bother switching even with app gaps etc. I simply am putting it this, I love the tiles and the ease around this!
    12-16-2014 07:20 AM
  21. thesachd's Avatar
    I own a 1520, my friend has a note 4, the note is the only lag free android I would consider, something about windows tells me not to bother switching even with app gaps etc. I simply am putting it this, I love the tiles and the ease around this!
    Live tiles are nice, even the 1520 is a nice smartphone.

    But Microsoft just doesn't do enough to take advantage of the extra screen size.
    12-16-2014 07:35 AM
  22. addy37's Avatar
    I have been using Note 3 since a year and was planning to upgrade to Note 4 but I havent. I have just bought myself the 1520 and it will be delivered to me tomorrow. I am so looking forward to using it as a daily driver.
    tanya shah1 likes this.
    12-16-2014 07:53 AM
  23. tanya shah1's Avatar
    I won't bother to read all of it, however there are glaring mistakes in your own arguments. From your list of articles above that says is Android secure...this article actually says it is:

    How Secure Is Android, Really?

    Basically by posting that link you've effectively killed your own argument, not that is was a well reasoned argument anyways.

    Be careful next time before copying every single link you find on Google.
    too bad im malware free on windows phone and ios while you are sitting with exploitable malware ridden android
    you basically have two kinds of people looking into your phone- hackers and google
    my data sits secure on windows phone


    also please learn to read the FULL article before pointing fingers

    this arguement is pointless,we all know android=malware filled by now

    once the play store and kernel itself are so badly exploitable,you know the platform will never be secure again
    12-16-2014 10:40 AM
  24. tanya shah1's Avatar
    I have been using Note 3 since a year and was planning to upgrade to Note 4 but I havent. I have just bought myself the 1520 and it will be delivered to me tomorrow. I am so looking forward to using it as a daily driver.
    you are gonna love it!! i went from note 3 to 1520 myself and havent looked back!!
    12-16-2014 10:41 AM
  25. thesachd's Avatar
    too bad im malware free on windows phone and ios while you are sitting with exploitable malware ridden android
    you basically have two kinds of people looking into your phone- hackers and google
    my data sits secure on windows phone


    also please learn to read the FULL article before pointing fingers

    this arguement is pointless,we all know android=malware filled by now

    once the play store and kernel itself are so badly exploitable,you know the platform will never be secure again
    Read the article again. You effectively killed your own argument a 100%.

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    Also do some research on kernel exploitation, it's not child's play like you describe it to be.
    12-16-2014 11:26 AM
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