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  1. Elitis's Avatar
    Android will never compare in battery life to iOS and Windows Phone? Lol.

    Maybe Android's approach on multitasking may not be the most battery friendly, but considering that we Android OEM's are already coming out with near 4000 mAH battery it surpasses the competition(maybe not through software, but definitely through hardware).
    No. Once again: Android will never compare in battery life to iOS and Windows Phone. I was actually waiting for someone to try to make this argument. It doesn't matter if an Android OEM does put a 4000mAH battery in their device. You know why? Windows Phone OEMs can do the same. It's already been proven running the same hardware, Windows Phone has better battery life. Also, that entire point was about Android (which is an OS; i.e software), so bringing up bigger batteries isn't a very valid point.

    User profiles is extremely useful IMO, so is screen pinning. I have often found myself giving my phone to someone to make a call and they eventually "try" to snoop into my SMS or something, user profiles(or screen pinning) will help me(and a hell lot of other users).
    Honestly, I'm not sure how to address this point. So, you give your phone to others to make a call and then walk away? Are these strangers, or people you know? In any case, it isn't very smart to leave your phone with anyone unattended, especially those that are untrustworthy. I'll chalk this up to user-error.
    Android has never been at the bottom of security charts, nor are anti-viruses recommended on Android. Please get your facts straight.

    Mobile Security Smackdown: iOS vs. Android vs. BlackBerry vs. Windows Phone - Page: 1 | CRN

    The fact that Android is more open, people mess with superuser permissions and install applications not from the Play Store is why some users put themselves at risk, Google is not to blame for this.

    Also the reason why Windows Phone has yet to get any kind of security threats is primarily because no hackers care enough for this OS, in fact most of the general population don't care either.

    And there are other things regarding security in Android Lollipop apart from encryption(which WP to the best of my knowledge doesn't have).
    Don't allow personal feelings to cloud reasoning and judgment. Android is insecure. It has the worst security of the big three mobile OS. Malware in the Google Play Store is prevalent, and an issue. Anti-malware apps are recommended. Face facts. I said before and I'll say it again: you're trading security for freedom.

    As for the WP case, it's true that the same amount of effort to get malware onto Android devices doesn't go into getting it on WP devices. However, it's also much harder to do so. Between the required UEFI support, limited side-loading abilities, application isolation, limited ability to run applications in the background, and the application approval process just to get in the WP Store, it's infinitely harder to get malware on a WP device. Again, face facts: WP has much better security than Android, even without encryption.
    And you forgot to mention: the new ART runtime(upto 4X faster performance), 60 FPS animations, hotword activiation when phone is off(for supported devices), 8 MP burst mode, better lock screen notifications, better notifications and power toggles, trusted face, better graphics in games(they we're already significantly better than WP), low latency audio processing(Android could see professional voice recording apps soon), support for 64 bit hardware, and applications, etc.

    It's way more exciting of an update than any WP update I've heard of.
    There are reasons I didn't mention these. ART isn't a big deal, as cool as it is. 60 FPS animations, I doubt are a consistent 60. Lock screen notifications are pretty ridiculous. Why would you want your notifications on your lock screen for anyone to see? It's good there's different levels for how much info you want displayed, though. I won't discuss graphics since you seem incapable of separating your opinions from facts. As for 64-bit hardware, I read about some WP device being released with the Snapdragon 410 SoC, but that really isn't surprising, considering 64-bit hardware is capable of running 32-bit code. As for support for 64-bit applications, well, the majority of developers will continue to create 32-bit apps, seeing as how they aren't even taking advantage of the multiple cores already, which is to say, the majority of applications don't need the extra power.
    Anyway, time to face reality, bud.
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    11-01-2014 04:02 PM
  2. Visa Declined's Avatar
    and still, apps cannot be saved to the sd card if they use widgets. Go windows phone!
    Apps that I run that have widgets that I actually use(there aren't many) are small, like weather apps or Flipboard. I don't need to put those on the SD card anyways. You keep bringing up this small SD card limitation in just about every Android vs Windows Phone debate, but it has never once had an effect on me or how I use my device.

    If there was a feature I wanted to use that showed how Windows Phone had an advantage over Android, I could think of much better ones.
    11-01-2014 06:12 PM
  3. Visa Declined's Avatar
    ART isn't a big deal, as cool as it is. 60 FPS animations, I doubt are a consistent 60.
    Yes, ART is a big deal. Not only does it increase framerate by a ridiculous ammount, it increases battery life of the OS considerably.

    Lock screen notifications are pretty ridiculous.
    Yeah, because catching a glimpse of important emails and other notifications without having to unlock my device is utterly ridiculous, and I don't understand why anyone would want to do that.

    Why would you want your notifications on your lock screen for anyone to see?
    Wow, you're reaching really far here to turn this function into a useless negative.

    As for support for 64-bit applications, well, the majority of developers will continue to create 32-bit apps, seeing as how they aren't even taking advantage of the multiple cores already, which is to say, the majority of applications don't need the extra power.
    Apps and games on Android do in fact take advantage of multiple cores, and there are instances on Windows Phone when it would be fantastic to to have the extra power of running a multi-threaded application. This is the future, and because it is happening on Android before it happens on Windows Phone, it is being scoffed at and written off.

    Anyway, time to face reality, bud.
    The reality that I see is, that any time there is an advancement or new feature that is added to Android, the Windows Phone hardcore elite are quick to label it as "ridiculous" and "unnecessary." Particularly in the case of something that Windows Phone doesn't have, it is written off with a quick "we don't need that." Just like quad-core cpu's and more than 512mb of system ram. These were things that Windows Phone users insisted that Windows Phone did not need. Until they got them of course...then they were great.

    It's awesome to be a user of multiple platforms, it makes you appreciate the difference in every one of them. They are all unique in different ways, and I don't see the logic in liking one and bitterly hating another. I love iOS, Android, and Windows Phone about equally, and I personally don't care what anyone here thinks about that.
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    11-01-2014 06:53 PM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    Apps and games on Android do in fact take advantage of multiple cores, and there are instances on Windows Phone when it would be fantastic to to have the extra power of running a multi-threaded application.


    Take advantage of multiple cores? Yes. Apps and games that somewhat use two cores are a dime a dozen on any OS, including WP. I suspect you are referring to apps and games that can consistently saturate three cores or more. I'm not aware of any such apps or games on any mobile OS. You have anything to back that claim up with? Everything I'm aware of suggests that is BS.
    Last edited by a5cent; 11-01-2014 at 10:25 PM.
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    11-01-2014 09:47 PM
  5. colinkiama's Avatar
    You can pull down from the top of your windows phone on the locks screen and there are your notifications.There is even an option in the settings to disable it from working in the lock screen. I won't lie though. The notification screen on android 5.0 looks gorgeous compared to the one on WP.
    11-01-2014 09:59 PM
  6. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Take advantage of multiple cores? Yes. Apps and games that somewhat use two cores are a dime a dozen on any OS, including WP. I suspect you are referring to apps and games that can consistently saturate three cores or more. I'm not aware of any such apps or games on any mobile OS. You have anything to back that claim up with? Everything I'm aware of suggests that is BS.
    Serious question, do you even use Android at all?

    There's a bunch of games with nice graphics that can load every core on an Android device, especially if you set the graphics quality on max. I grabbed a couple of screenshots for you, but I can make a YouTube video for you if you want.

    I have to pull the notification shade down to see how many cores are running, because that's how this app works. Unfortunately, pulling down the notification shade also pauses the game, so I had to take the screenshot instantly. There is another system app I used to use that runs on-screen while the game is playing. I can't remember what its name was though. Maybe you know?

    *edit*
    This phone is a Sony Z Ultra with a Snapdragon 800

    Dead Trigger, max graphics settings, 3 cores very active.

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    Zen Pinball, max graphics playing The Walking Dead table. 4 cores very active during gameplay.

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    11-01-2014 11:01 PM
  7. D M C's Avatar
    It is very funny that Windows(for PC &Laptop) is also very insecure platform.
    Despite it's a Windows forum I read more about Android then Windows here.

    For the knowledge
    Windows got lot more sophisticated malware than Android.
    It's also the favorite platform of Cybercriminals.
    Android overtakes Windows PCs as most common platform for malware | AbsoluteGeeks.com

    then again everyone here use Windows(in PC and Laptop Windows is the most insured OS).

    This is why I think most users here who brag about Android security are nothing but excuse.
    If the security is the most important concern than Android and Windows fall long time ago.
    and users who brag that security is the most important aspect then they probably using Linux but they are not.
    So, what's with the security thing?

    Android 5.0 isn't as big deal as you thing. Yes.
    But If I recall when Wp8.1 announced every WP fans was excited and talking about this would nail it. WP will grow, it's awesome, it the best OS things like that.

    So, that's what Android users are doing. and i think all WP users will do same when W10(for phone) will announce.
    W10 will not solve all the issues either as Android 5.0.

    As chezm said "Its a positive step in the right direction for the mobile OS"
    Last edited by D M C; 11-02-2014 at 01:05 AM.
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    11-01-2014 11:25 PM
  8. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I remembered which app I was looking for, it's called Perf Mon: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...infire.perfmon

    I checked Dead Trigger again, 3 cores are being consistently used, and the 4th gets enabled whenever there's an explosion or guts are flying all over the place.

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    This game is Hellraid: The Escape, it's built using the Unreal Engine, and 4 cores are extensively used when I play it.

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    Last edited by Visa Declined; 11-02-2014 at 12:12 AM.
    11-01-2014 11:29 PM
  9. a5cent's Avatar
    I remembered which app I was looking for, it's called Perf Mon: https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...infire.perfmon

    I checked Dead Trigger again, 3 cores are being consistently used, and the 4th gets enabled whenever there's an explosion or guts are flying all over the place.

    Hmm, interesting... Thx for that. Will get back to you.
    11-01-2014 11:57 PM
  10. jbestman's Avatar
    I am not going to waste my time responding to all the myths and opinions you are submitting as facts. I will respond to your claim of superior battery life. That claim is false.

    Unlike you, I am not just regurgitating opinions, I am speaking from real life experiences with the platforms. Two of the phones I own and use daily are:
    Lumia 1520.3. Battery capacity 3400mAh
    HTC One Max. Battery capacity 3300mAh

    The Lumia struggles to get through the day and has died on me multiple times before 7pm. I have had to run around looking for a power outlet before 3pm, one time, because I talked on it for over an hour.
    My HTC One has NEVER died within a 24hr time frame. EVER. I know that when I power it one, it will be barely crossing 50% when I set it down for recharge by 10pm. It is by far the best phone I have ever used, in terms of battery life. And, that is with the ability to multitask.

    So, why the disparity between my real life results and the perception out there? Most of the users here are still judging Android from their past experiences. Big mistake. WP, with the 8.1 iteration, has come a long way. Yet, most smartphone users still dismiss it based on the reputation it got from its WP7 days. I bet those users, if they tried WP now would be shocked at how far it has come. Yet, most WP users here do not see the irony of still judging Android from the early years.

    I used Android for a long time and hated everything about it. I left it for a long time only returning late last year. I was shocked at the progress it had made. I did not recognize it. Zero lag. Awesome battery life. Fluid execution. feature rich implementation. I couldn't believe it. Yet, when I came here to research my Lumia 1520.3, I found people still using the same tired words to describe Android. It was bizarre to me. It was like stepping into a place frozen in time. There was a collective ignorance that was palpable. That collective ignorance was why everyone here said the Lumia 1520 had an awesome battery life. And you know what? They are right! Based on their very low barometer, it does have an awesome battery life. But, I bet you, an Android user will be disappointed by it. He/she would point out its battery life as average.

    I would strongly advise you and most of the users here to step out of your box once in a while. Try something new, it will open your eyes to how limiting your mental growth can be when you lock yourself out of broader experiences. And while there are many things about my Lumia that I absolutely love, battery life is not one of them. And while there are somethings I know Android can be criticized for, ALL the things the OP complained about are not any of them. To me, he just sounds like someone that is trying too hard to hate an OS update that he feels anxious about. An OS update that has not even been released yet.
    11-02-2014 12:16 AM
  11. satrus08's Avatar
    @jbestman

    Why compare those two devices with different displays and processors? You have the ultimate form of evidence in the HTC one m8. It's the exact same phone, same hardware, running both WP and android. It's been shown that the WP m8 gives more battery life.

    It IS true that WP offers more battery life because of the way background processes are handed, amongst other things. So there is a pro and con to each. Android-less battery life, but faster app resumes. WP - more battery life, slower app resumes
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    11-02-2014 12:40 AM
  12. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Hmm, interesting... Thx for that. Will get back to you.
    I don't know this for sure, but I would think that Windows Phones that have quad core cpu's are spreading their load out in the same manner when playing games. I mean, they aren't putting quad cores in them for no reason. Does anyone know of a WP app that measures cpu usage in real time?
    11-02-2014 01:02 AM
  13. Visa Declined's Avatar
    You have the ultimate form of evidence in the HTC one m8. It's the exact same phone, same hardware, running both WP and android. It's been shown that the WP m8 gives more battery life.
    Truth

    Having a device available like the One M8 has absolutely proven that Windows Phone has better battery life vs Android. It's not even a debate.
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    11-02-2014 01:12 AM
  14. mijacs's Avatar
    Does anyone know of a WP app that measures cpu usage in real time?
    The dev tool application analysis is the only thing I know of.
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/wi...v=vs.105).aspx
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    11-02-2014 01:54 AM
  15. D M C's Avatar
    Why compare those two devices with different displays and processors? You have the ultimate form of evidence in the HTC one m8. It's the exact same phone, same hardware, running both WP and android. It's been shown that the WP m8 gives more battery life.
    Wrong!
    I already said this once and repeating again.
    WP isn't more battery efficient than Android.

    at first glance it look like WP is more battery efficient but if you look at details you will find out it's not.
    in GSMArena battery test

    HTC One(M8) Window phone got 79hours Endurance rating
    HTC One(M8) Android phone got 71 hours Endurance rating

    But look at screen. Android M8 screen is 33% more brighter than Window Phone M8 during test, (this test result is based on 50% brightness)

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    Source:HTC One (M8) for Windows review: Tinker, Tailor - page 3 - GSMArena.com


    I am getting sick of this false rumor
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    11-02-2014 01:59 AM
  16. Visa Declined's Avatar
    The dev tool application analysis is the only thing I know of.
    Windows Phone Application Analysis for Windows Phone 8
    That's a little more complex than what I was hoping for. Thank you for the link though

    at first glance it look like WP is more battery efficient but if you look at details you will find out it's not.
    in GSMArena battery test
    Wow... I had not heard about this information. When I read here that the WP version of the M8 got better battery life than the Android version, I kind of just accepted it as the truth
    11-02-2014 01:27 AM
  17. satrus08's Avatar
    Wrong!
    I already said this once and repeating again.
    WP isn't more battery efficient than Android.

    at first glance it look like WP is more battery efficient but if you look at details you will find out it's not.
    in GSMArena battery test

    HTC One(M8) Window phone got 79hours Endurance rating
    HTC One(M8) Android phone got 71 hours Endurance rating

    But look at screen. Android M8 screen is 33% more brighter than Window Phone M8 during test, (this test result is based on 50% brightness)

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    Source:HTC One (M8) for Windows review: Tinker, Tailor - page 3 - GSMArena.com


    I am getting sick of this false rumor
    Um... They mention that the 79 hour and 71 hour is standby time. So screen brightness has nothing to do with it.

    It's not clear in the article, but it seems they use the devices for one hour each day.

    A 33% brighter screen would not account for the 8 hours difference in battery life for just 3 hours of usage and the rest in standby lol.

    Not bashing on android. It's just the truth. But personally I prefer the android method of a little less battery life, faster app resumes for my tablet.

    For a phone I use daily, I would prefer longer battery life at the expense of a little longer app resumes. Which is why I have an android tablet and windows phone. Love the combo :)
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    11-02-2014 01:37 AM
  18. D M C's Avatar
    Um... They mention that the 79 hour and 71 hour is standby time. So screen brightness has nothing to do with it.

    It's not clear in the article, but it seems they use the devices for one hour each day.

    A 33% brighter screen would not account for the 8 hours difference in battery life for just 3 hours of usage and the rest in standby lol.

    Not bashing on android. It's just the truth. But personally I prefer the android method of a little less battery life, faster app resumes for my tablet.

    For a phone I use daily, I would prefer longer battery life at the expense of a little longer app resumes. Which is why I have an android tablet and windows phone. Love the combo :)
    Try a little experiment.
    Play video or do browsing for an hour in your phone.
    First at Low Brightness
    Second at Medium Brightness (or whatever you like or if your phone have brightness slider then try with that)

    and then check how much that experiment drain your phone battery.(in both cases)
    and if possible check standby time too in both cases

    33% more brightness isn't as small as you think.
    Last edited by D M C; 11-02-2014 at 02:08 AM.
    11-02-2014 01:57 AM
  19. satrus08's Avatar
    Try a little experiment.
    Play video or do browsing for an hour in your phone.
    First at Low Brightness
    Second at Medium Brightness (or whatever you like or if your phone have brightness slider then try with that)

    and then check how much that experiment drain your phone battery.(in both cases)
    and if possible check standby time too in both cases

    33% more brightness isn't as small as you think.
    I'll have to try sometime then. Probably will try on my android tablet since my WP doesn't have brightness slider.
    I will say this though, from experience. I agree that 33% more brightness will affect in the long run. But I don't think three hours of usage at 33% more brightness will affect the battery life by 8 hours.

    Funnily enough that it's roughly the amount of brightness I vary my tablet by. When it gets dark out, from a around 9-12, (I study on my tablet) I reduce the brightness all the way.

    In the afternoon when I get back from college, I play for at least 2 hours on my tablet at 30-35% brightness(the game is summomers wars, awesome game, must try if you have android or ios!)
    I've never noticed that high of a difference in battery consumption
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    11-02-2014 02:24 AM
  20. walterg1's Avatar
    With android it really depends on the device .
    I think Kitkat is very efficient.
    I have a 2012 Nexus tablet running 4.4.2 Kitkat.
    When I bought my new LG phone I didn't use my tablet much.
    Here are some specs off a single charge.

    Idle 18 days 21 hours 35 minutes.
    Screen on time 2 hours 16 minutes, mostly gaming and file transfer.
    20 percent charge left.
    11-02-2014 02:43 AM
  21. thesachd's Avatar
    and still, apps cannot be saved to the sd card if they use widgets. Go windows phone!
    Slightly funny is the fact that Windows Phone couldn't save any apps to the memory card too, just a little while ago, and I didn't see any of you not buying it because of this one specific feature.

    Anyways regardless you can move most, even if not all, apps to the SD card. And app sizes on Android are usually smaller than competing OSes.

    Android is clearly in the lead in terms of functionality. There is no question about that, however, WP is just easier to use really. It's like the mid point between iOS and android with a balance of speed and features. I just wish that microsoft could advertise WP more and make the meda talk about it more. Most people know that is has an 'app gap'. That's it. They don't know what apps are missing or what it can do.
    Gosh. The easier to use argument.

    Simply put, no. Windows Phone is not easier to use, Android and Windows Phone stand equally in ease of use.

    This is because they both offer a balance. If you are an advanced user you can pin live tiles or widgets, or just the app tray on both simply.

    It's a myth that Android isn't easy to use. It is, especially with more modern versions.

    windows phone already has 64bit support(alcatel is selling a phone with a snapdragon 410. Through GDR updates, more chipsets are supported. 60fps Animations? Really? How does that help the customer in anyway. Battery life concerns however it could be optimised. We already have burst modes, including 8mp. We got that with 8.1. In terms of graphics, it's te developers fault that graphics are better on the android version. However they are alright, look at lumia 930/1520 gaming on youtube. Direct X 12 is coming too. We have kids corner and a mode that allows the phone to be used as if it was a demo phone in a store introduced in 8.1 update 1. 8.1 enabled bitlocker encryption. All the other features are things people can live without.
    Oh. My. God.

    If you really want to talk like that, then yes Android also has support for 64 bit. I've ran an Android emulator on my 64 bit laptop, and the Desire 510 and Desire 820 use 64 bit processors.

    However both Android and Windows Phone(to the best of my knowledge) didn't have 64 bit apps to help the phones. Android Lollipop will change that, and even if 3rd party devs don't optimize their apps, all Stock apps will be 64 bit (Chrome, Keep, etc). Also most apps that are in Java will already be 64 bit optimised.

    The people that have used Lollipop developer preview on their Nexus 5(and 4) have reported that the 60 FPS animations do make a huge difference in the smoothness in day to day usage.

    Plus last I checked Windows Phone had a ****ty 2.1 megapixel burst mode, seriously go into Microsoft camera and take a burst and later go check the EXIF data of the image, I'm pretty sure it's going to be less than 3MP. And Windows Phone's burst mode is also limited to 10-15 FPS.

    We'll Android Lollipop has the most advanced burst mode I've ever come across, depending on your processor you can get an 8MP 30 FPS burst mode, how cool is that?

    If I am not wrong Android has support for DirectX as well, but they are also adding OpenGLES 3.1(with a host of other improvements for graphics).

    But that's not all, Android partnered up with Nvidia to get the Tegra K1(arguably one of the fastest SOCs out there) which promises console quality graphics is on the Nexus 9. Google went the extra step to get such a powerful SOC on their platform.

    Kid's corner, to the best of my knowledge, isn't at all useful if you want to lend someone your phone for a quick phone call.

    Lastly you dismissed all features as things people can live without, we'll guess what we can also "live" without smartphones.

    Extra useful features are always a nice addition. There are other additions, such as an ambient display mode which lights up the device whenever you hold it in your hand(and you have notifications).

    No. Once again: Android will never compare in battery life to iOS and Windows Phone. I was actually waiting for someone to try to make this argument. It doesn't matter if an Android OEM does put a 4000mAH battery in their device. You know why? Windows Phone OEMs can do the same. It's already been proven running the same hardware, Windows Phone has better battery life. Also, that entire point was about Android (which is an OS; i.e software), so bringing up bigger batteries isn't a very valid point.


    Honestly, I'm not sure how to address this point. So, you give your phone to others to make a call and then walk away? Are these strangers, or people you know? In any case, it isn't very smart to leave your phone with anyone unattended, especially those that are untrustworthy. I'll chalk this up to user-error.

    Don't allow personal feelings to cloud reasoning and judgment. Android is insecure. It has the worst security of the big three mobile OS. Malware in the Google Play Store is prevalent, and an issue. Anti-malware apps are recommended. Face facts. I said before and I'll say it again: you're trading security for freedom.

    As for the WP case, it's true that the same amount of effort to get malware onto Android devices doesn't go into getting it on WP devices. However, it's also much harder to do so. Between the required UEFI support, limited side-loading abilities, application isolation, limited ability to run applications in the background, and the application approval process just to get in the WP Store, it's infinitely harder to get malware on a WP device. Again, face facts: WP has much better security than Android, even without encryption.

    There are reasons I didn't mention these. ART isn't a big deal, as cool as it is. 60 FPS animations, I doubt are a consistent 60. Lock screen notifications are pretty ridiculous. Why would you want your notifications on your lock screen for anyone to see? It's good there's different levels for how much info you want displayed, though. I won't discuss graphics since you seem incapable of separating your opinions from facts. As for 64-bit hardware, I read about some WP device being released with the Snapdragon 410 SoC, but that really isn't surprising, considering 64-bit hardware is capable of running 32-bit code. As for support for 64-bit applications, well, the majority of developers will continue to create 32-bit apps, seeing as how they aren't even taking advantage of the multiple cores already, which is to say, the majority of applications don't need the extra power.
    Anyway, time to face reality, bud.
    First of all if your are on a table with friends, or maybe after a game of football(or some other game or event) someone is bound to ask for your phone to make a call and they might just(as a joke) head into your SMS or maybe one of your other apps. For these situations a guest mode will be extremely useful.

    Plus we aren't arguing on what an OEM can or can not do, if battery life is someone's main concern with a smartphone, Android would still be the place to be(because Android OEMs outpace anyone else with the battery capacity).

    Also could you please show me where anti virus apps are recommended?

    Also lockscreen notifications on Android can be explicitly told not to show sensitive information, they are a useful feature. Android's lockscreen dialer shortcut and power toggles are also way more useful.

    Also I'm pretty sure you haven't ever used an Android device, because switching to ART does made a huge difference in general performance. Also 60 FPS are pretty consistent, go try a developer preview on a Nexus.

    Also Windows Phone and Android could run 64 bit hardware before(because it's backward compatible with 32 bit) however neither had any 64 bit apps to speak of. We'll that changes soon, Android stock apps will be 64 bit and apps on the Play Store coded with Java will also be 64 bit(without any modifications).

    Graphics are something you can't really argue about, they've always been a weakness of Windows Phone in gaming.

    Lastly games(and some apps) do take advantage of more than two cores, and I have proof of this by monitoring CPU usage. I would also see if Windows Phone could use more than two cores, but I can't find an app to monitor CPU/GPU usage. :(
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    11-02-2014 03:00 AM
  22. Elitis's Avatar
    Yes, ART is a big deal. Not only does it increase framerate by a ridiculous ammount, it increases battery life of the OS considerably.
    ART would be a big deal if performance was already insufferable, which it isn't. Don't get me wrong, it's great that Dalvik is being replaced with something more efficient, and more modern, but it honestly isn't that impressive.
    Yeah, because catching a glimpse of important emails and other notifications without having to unlock my device is utterly ridiculous, and I don't understand why anyone would want to do that.

    Wow, you're reaching really far here to turn this function into a useless negative.
    I can't call it "useless", but from a security standpoint, it is a negative.
    Apps and games on Android do in fact take advantage of multiple cores, and there are instances on Windows Phone when it would be fantastic to to have the extra power of running a multi-threaded application. This is the future, and because it is happening on Android before it happens on Windows Phone, it is being scoffed at and written off.
    Never said apps didn't. And I specifically didn't mention games because if you've ever programmed one before, you'd know that it's usually necessary to use multiple cores. I don't know why you think multi-threading is the future, since it's been around in desktop programs for years upon years now, or why you think WP apps aren't multi-threaded, but no one is "scoffing" and "writing it off".

    The reality that I see is, that any time there is an advancement or new feature that is added to Android, the Windows Phone hardcore elite are quick to label it as "ridiculous" and "unnecessary." Particularly in the case of something that Windows Phone doesn't have, it is written off with a quick "we don't need that." Just like quad-core cpu's and more than 512mb of system ram. These were things that Windows Phone users insisted that Windows Phone did not need. Until they got them of course...then they were great.
    That happens by the Fandroids as well as the Crapple users too, not to mention every possible thing someone could be opinionated about. Quad-core processors are unnecessary when no apps take advantage of it. It's a wasted resource. As long as there are apps that actually need the extra power, and use it, it is, by definition, necessary. Anything more than 512MB of RAM on WP is unnecessary. The OS is so well optimized, devices really don't need more RAM. There are some games and apps that need a bit more RAM though, so in certain cases, it is necessary.

    On Android, a mobile OS that has true multi-tasking, more RAM is very necessary. Just like on a computer, low amounts of RAM and lots of background processes slows it down.
    It's awesome to be a user of multiple platforms, it makes you appreciate the difference in every one of them. They are all unique in different ways, and I don't see the logic in liking one and bitterly hating another. I love iOS, Android, and Windows Phone about equally, and I personally don't care what anyone here thinks about that.
    The way you've been attacking WP would suggest otherwise. You come off as though Android is the only OS that makes any sense, and all other OS need to be destroyed. You come off as a Fandroid.
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    11-02-2014 11:09 AM
  23. Elitis's Avatar
    The people that have used Lollipop developer preview on their Nexus 5(and 4) have reported that the 60 FPS animations do make a huge difference in the smoothness in day to day usage.
    Never said it didn't. If you read my post, I said I doubt it's a consistent 60.
    Plus last I checked Windows Phone had a ****ty 2.1 megapixel burst mode, seriously go into Microsoft camera and take a burst and later go check the EXIF data of the image, I'm pretty sure it's going to be less than 3MP. And Windows Phone's burst mode is also limited to 10-15 FPS.

    We'll Android Lollipop has the most advanced burst mode I've ever come across, depending on your processor you can get an 8MP 30 FPS burst mode, how cool is that?
    Not sure why you're quoting me for this one, when I never mentioned burst modes.
    But that's not all, Android partnered up with Nvidia to get the Tegra K1(arguably one of the fastest SOCs out there) which promises console quality graphics is on the Nexus 9. Google went the extra step to get such a powerful SOC on their platform.
    Android (or rather Google you should say, since Android is a piece of software) didn't "partner up" with Nvidia to get the Tegra K1. The Nexus 9 is made by HTC (along with Google). I'm sure HTC had some say in the hardware. Also, Windows OEMs are free to use the Tegra K1 in their tablets as well. Google didn't take any "extra step" to get the K1, anyone is free to use it. It isn't exclusive to any OS.
    Kid's corner, to the best of my knowledge, isn't at all useful if you want to lend someone your phone for a quick phone call.
    You do realize Kid's Corner and the Guest Profile on Android 5.0 work just about the same way right? They both limit what someone can do with your phone. I can't speak for others, but I wouldn't go through the hassle of locking the screen to the dialer just to hand it to someone to make a call. Especially if I'm standing right there.
    Lastly you dismissed all features as things people can live without, we'll guess what we can also "live" without smartphones.
    Extra useful features are always a nice addition. There are other additions, such as an ambient display mode which lights up the device whenever you hold it in your hand(and you have notifications).
    We can live without smartphones, and extra features are always nice to have. As long as they're useful features.
    First of all if your are on a table with friends, or maybe after a game of football(or some other game or event) someone is bound to ask for your phone to make a call and they might just(as a joke) head into your SMS or maybe one of your other apps. For these situations a guest mode will be extremely useful.
    Again, I wouldn't go through the hassle of locking my screen to the dialer just to hand it to someone so they can make a call. I don't know who you hang around, but no one has ever went through my phone after I allow them to make a call. I can see the benefit of the guest profile, if you aren't going to be around them while they use your phone, but who shares their phones with others long enough to warrant a guest profile?

    Plus we aren't arguing on what an OEM can or can not do, if battery life is someone's main concern with a smartphone, Android would still be the place to be(because Android OEMs outpace anyone else with the battery capacity).
    You say we aren't arguing on what an OEM can or can't do, but then proceed to talk about it... So, since you insist, Android has no advantage over WP in terms of battery life. OEMs are free to put whatever size battery in their phones running either OS.
    Also lockscreen notifications on Android can be explicitly told not to show sensitive information, they are a useful feature. Android's lockscreen dialer shortcut and power toggles are also way more useful.
    Already stated that in my post.
    Also I'm pretty sure you haven't ever used an Android device, because switching to ART does made a huge difference in general performance. Also 60 FPS are pretty consistent, go try a developer preview on a Nexus.
    I have used Android devices, but that's besides the point. At this point, new runtimes like ART, more optimizations, etc only shave a few seconds off performance. Latency is one thing, but for general performance, how many people actually care that their apps open two seconds sooner? If the app is taking a minute to open, no one cares if it only takes 58 seconds the next time. If the app takes 5 seconds to open, no one cares if it takes 3 seconds to open the next time.
    Also Windows Phone and Android could run 64 bit hardware before(because it's backward compatible with 32 bit) however neither had any 64 bit apps to speak of. We'll that changes soon, Android stock apps will be 64 bit and apps on the Play Store coded with Java will also be 64 bit(without any modifications).
    Stated this too in my post. Also, all Android apps are programmed in Java. Even those that use C++ still use Java.
    Graphics are something you can't really argue about, they've always been a weakness of Windows Phone in gaming.
    Android released in 2008, so developers have had 6 years to get used to optimizing for it. They haven't had the same amount of time for WP. Not that I notice a difference in the first place.
    Lastly games(and some apps) do take advantage of more than two cores, and I have proof of this by monitoring CPU usage. I would also see if Windows Phone could use more than two cores, but I can't find an app to monitor CPU/GPU usage. :(
    Never said they don't. And yes, WP can use more than two cores. You don't even need a CPU/GPU usage monitor to know this. Not that you'll find one anyway, considering WP limits the amount of background processes.
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    11-02-2014 11:42 AM
  24. colinkiama's Avatar
    This is really stupid. Android 5.0 is a big deal. Android cannot use direct x, it uses open GL instead. There is no such thing a as a better operating system, only one that is better for you. Almost all of us use windows because it caters for our needs. Most people use android because it caters for almost everyone's need with all the features it has. Gimmicky or not people still use them and love them. The only people that won't love it is the security conscious: other platforms(us).

    The reason for all these myths about android are because of previous experiences with the old android versions of phones. The new phones are actually good and can do way more than any windows phone can. If android 5.0 is released with good reviews, I'm considering getting a android(again). Lag only occurs when you buy the wrong android. Use a phone like the moto G, htc one m8, LG G3, they are amazing. I really don't like these myths of android especially since how WP only has around 2.7% market share.
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    11-02-2014 12:58 PM
  25. prasath1234's Avatar
    No. Once again: Android will never compare in battery life to iOS and Windows Phone. I was actually waiting for someone to try to make this argument. It doesn't matter if an Android OEM does put a 4000mAH battery in their device. You know why? Windows Phone OEMs can do the same. It's already been proven running the same hardware, Windows Phone has better battery life. Also, that entire point was about Android (which is an OS; i.e software), so bringing up bigger batteries isn't a very valid point.


    Honestly, I'm not sure how to address this point. So, you give your phone to others to make a call and then walk away? Are these strangers, or people you know? In any case, it isn't very smart to leave your phone with anyone unattended, especially those that are untrustworthy. I'll chalk this up to user-error.

    Don't allow personal feelings to cloud reasoning and judgment. Android is insecure. It has the worst security of the big three mobile OS. Malware in the Google Play Store is prevalent, and an issue. Anti-malware apps are recommended. Face facts. I said before and I'll say it again: you're trading security for freedom.

    As for the WP case, it's true that the same amount of effort to get malware onto Android devices doesn't go into getting it on WP devices. However, it's also much harder to do so. Between the required UEFI support, limited side-loading abilities, application isolation, limited ability to run applications in the background, and the application approval process just to get in the WP Store, it's infinitely harder to get malware on a WP device. Again, face facts: WP has much better security than Android, even without encryption.

    There are reasons I didn't mention these. ART isn't a big deal, as cool as it is. 60 FPS animations, I doubt are a consistent 60. Lock screen notifications are pretty ridiculous. Why would you want your notifications on your lock screen for anyone to see? It's good there's different levels for how much info you want displayed, though. I won't discuss graphics since you seem incapable of separating your opinions from facts. As for 64-bit hardware, I read about some WP device being released with the Snapdragon 410 SoC, but that really isn't surprising, considering 64-bit hardware is capable of running 32-bit code. As for support for 64-bit applications, well, the majority of developers will continue to create 32-bit apps, seeing as how they aren't even taking advantage of the multiple cores already, which is to say, the majority of applications don't need the extra power.
    Anyway, time to face reality, bud.
    Ya lock screen notification is useless at least for me.I want my lock screen to be simple nd uncluttered with notification. I like wp in that regard.
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    11-02-2014 02:15 PM
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