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  1. psoham777's Avatar
    K android is great in updates lol

    Yes great because you can easily get the update by rooting your phone. Lol
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    11-20-2014 08:05 AM
  2. psoham777's Avatar
    Again. Everyone keeps bringing in Samsung devices as if they we're representative of all of Android.

    Use a stock Android device, it flies. And beats Windows Phone in performance for quite a few things as well.


    Yes, even when Samsung sells most android phones, it doesn't matter, right? What would you say the performance of other companies who come up with android, are they any better?
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    11-20-2014 08:07 AM
  3. prasath1234's Avatar
    Hey psoham android users don't care for updates because they know updates are not end of the world.They get all the google apps suite in the update of google play services.For those who need updates buy phones with newer android version .They dump those old android phones simple that's why I say even one could buy I phones instead of 3 mid range android in 2 years.at least I phones gives you update.
    11-20-2014 08:09 AM
  4. prasath1234's Avatar
    Yes, even I Samsung sells most android phones, it doesn't matter, right? What would you say the performance of other companies who come up with android, are they any better?
    Hey android requires specs to run it without problem.I here talk only about mid range nd low end.I don't know about 4gb phones.
    11-20-2014 08:10 AM
  5. psoham777's Avatar
    rumour has it that itll be better optimised than windows 8/8.1,wp8.1,windows RT
    fingers crossed

    For sure. WP 10 would be a major step forward for WP. I think we might see WP 10 in few months now.
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    11-20-2014 08:10 AM
  6. psoham777's Avatar
    Hey android requires specs to run it without problem.I here talk only about mid range nd low end.I don't know about 4gb phones.

    Not sure about 4gb phones, some of my friends got note 3, too bad it still lags sometimes!
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    11-20-2014 08:12 AM
  7. prasath1234's Avatar
    May be within 2 years every android will sport 6000 mah battery nd 8gb ram lol.
    11-20-2014 08:18 AM
  8. psoham777's Avatar
    May be within 2 years every android will sport 6000 mah battery nd 8gb ram lol.

    And still iphones/WP would run better on low specs
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    11-20-2014 08:22 AM
  9. thesachd's Avatar
    K android is great in updates lol
    I never said that updates are great on Android, but they aren't as bad as people make them out to be.

    When there are a huge number of OEMs producing Android devices, some of them being sub par companies the total number of Android devices running the latest version falls.

    But what that doesn't mean is that all Android devices don't get updates. Quality Android devices exist, in all segments of the market which do get updates.

    There are companies like G Five(seen it in Philippines), QMobile(Pakistan), Micromax(India) which often never update their devices once they've been manufactured but they still sell like hotcakes.

    Google is working on improving these situations, Micromax will improve drastically over the coming months.

    I've seen that for the wide majority of consumers updates don't matter as much, but for those that do Android does have phones that do get the latest updates but they often don't sell as well.

    Yes, in everything android is better right? Even if more than 70% people don't get update on their Android phones, still they come up with a vague reason like this, that android users are more than WP. Well Chevrolet users are more than Ferrari, that means Chevrolet is a lot better than Ferrari, WOW
    Those 70% of devices include millions of devices that are extremely old, or have very weak hardware with owners that aren't willing to upgrade.
    May be within 2 years every android will sport 6000 mah battery nd 8gb ram lol.
    Yes and Windows Phone will catch up to that, within an year or two. :)
    11-20-2014 08:28 AM
  10. thesachd's Avatar
    Yes great because you can easily get the update by rooting your phone. Lol
    That is actually a huge benefit. Once Windows Phones are abandoned, there is almost no way to get it updated to the latest version.

    But on Android that's not the case, in fact recently I saw this post on XDA:



    The HTC Explorer/Pico is a low end device from 2011 with a single core processor which launched with Android 2.3.5 but it got stable versions of pretty much all Android versions that came later and it's got the first port of Android Lollipop.
    11-20-2014 08:34 AM
  11. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Lollipop is fascinating. Runs pretty well on the Nexus 4 I have, and overall I like the appearance. But it's not actually *that* great.
    The Nexus 6 reviews are so bad in the display, camera and battery departments. And that is why I don't prefer Android. I thought all the ART and Volta stuff was supposed to remedy the horrible battery life but a Note 4 running on KitKat is still better in just about everything, despite Samsung's crap software on top. So I agree with the OP, Lollipop isn't actually *that* big a deal.
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    11-20-2014 09:24 AM
  12. thesachd's Avatar
    Lollipop is fascinating. Runs pretty well on the Nexus 4 I have, and overall I like the appearance. But it's not actually *that* great.
    The Nexus 6 reviews are so bad in the display, camera and battery departments. And that is why I don't prefer Android. I thought all the ART and Volta stuff was supposed to remedy the horrible battery life but a Note 4 running on KitKat is still better in just about everything, despite Samsung's crap software on top. So I agree with the OP, Lollipop isn't actually *that* big a deal.
    Actually that's quite mistaken. While the reviews of the Nexus 9 are a bit disappointing, the Nexus 6 has received a lot of praise from the majority of reviewers. Including the arguably biased Verge.

    The display has been described as beautiful, I haven't come across a place that says it has a bad display. And the battery life is also said to be good enough, not great but not bad either.

    And Nexus devices have always received hate in the camera department and I don't see why. There was a guy on these forums called salmanahman(not sure about spelling) who posted a gallery of images taken from N5 and they we're pretty great. I'm sure the N6 will do better.

    Project Volta wasn't a silver bullet when it came to battery life, it was a way for devs to code their apps better in an attempt to reduce battery consumption, so the apps are still being optimised to support Volta.

    Lastly those aren't the only things that made Lollipop so great. There's tons of other stuff like low latency audio recording, better notifications and power toggles, native screen recording(without root), better security options(like trusted faces, trusted devices and trusted places), device encryption, multi user profiles, screen pinning.

    Maybe this update doesn't seem *that* great for you guys because I'm sure that Windows Phone 11 or 12 will get these features. Haha(kidding on the last part, don't take it too seriously)
    11-20-2014 10:14 AM
  13. tanya shah1's Avatar
    I dont see improvements other than UI
    lollipop is most certainly a downgrade so far for me
    windows phone is rather consistent in comparison and so is ios
    android L has some major issues to tackle
    11-20-2014 12:36 PM
  14. thesachd's Avatar
    I dont see improvements other than UI
    lollipop is most certainly a downgrade so far for me
    windows phone is rather consistent in comparison and so is ios
    android L has some major issues to tackle
    Try comparing a Material Design application like Play Newsstand to a Metro UI application like Bing News.

    You'll find that the Material one is significantly more polished and faster, oh and looks better too.
    11-20-2014 01:05 PM
  15. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Actually that's quite mistaken. While the reviews of the Nexus 9 are a bit disappointing, the Nexus 6 has received a lot of praise from the majority of reviewers. Including the arguably biased Verge.
    I consider AnandTech's reviews to be the most in-depth and unbiased that I've come across.
    AnandTech | The Nexus 6 Review

    Check out the terrible display calibration and lacklustre brightness (the 930 has a much brighter AMOLED), the average battery life (1520 destroys it in that department, even the N5 has better battery scores), and yes, OIS has greatly helped the Android photography space but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that Nexus cameras are that great. Xperia Z3 and most Lumias make far better pictures. Wasn't Lollipop supposed to bring camera improvements? I don't see if that changed at all.

    Don't get me wrong, like I said, Lollipop is most certainly a step-up from KitKat was. The design choices look nice and if they stick with it (and don't drop it like they did with Holo), it has lots of room from improvement. Even if running in native code (ART) isn't giving huge battery gains, it's still much smoother than Dalvik, and that I can appreciate. But I still stand by the fact that Note 4 obliterates the N6 in almost all areas of practical use (besides the looks, the N6 is GORGEOUS).
    11-21-2014 06:27 AM
  16. thesachd's Avatar
    I consider AnandTech's reviews to be the most in-depth and unbiased that I've come across.
    AnandTech | The Nexus 6 Review

    Check out the terrible display calibration and lacklustre brightness (the 930 has a much brighter AMOLED), the average battery life (1520 destroys it in that department, even the N5 has better battery scores), and yes, OIS has greatly helped the Android photography space but let's not kid ourselves into thinking that Nexus cameras are that great. Xperia Z3 and most Lumias make far better pictures. Wasn't Lollipop supposed to bring camera improvements? I don't see if that changed at all.

    Don't get me wrong, like I said, Lollipop is most certainly a step-up from KitKat was. The design choices look nice and if they stick with it (and don't drop it like they did with Holo), it has lots of room from improvement. Even if running in native code (ART) isn't giving huge battery gains, it's still much smoother than Dalvik, and that I can appreciate. But I still stand by the fact that Note 4 obliterates the N6 in almost all areas of practical use (besides the looks, the N6 is GORGEOUS).
    If I am not wrong the thread intended to discuss Android 5.0 and device comparisons less, but I'll still answer your queries.

    The Nexus 6 is more expensive than other Nexus devices, but it still nearly $200 cheaper than most high end Note devices or even the high end Lumia series, if certain cuts we're made in the display and camera and they don't matter much to people then so be it.

    Lollipop wasn't a magical solution to improving camera performance, that's not how things work really but Lollipop did introduce a totally refined camera API, which has allowed people to do this:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/nexu...amples-540858/

    Not everyone will benefit from the photography improvements, but those that do know their way around these will definitely benefit.

    As far as battery life goes, the Lumia 1520 has the ability to stuff a huge battery into a less powerful package than the Nexus 6. The Nexus 6 has too power a much more powerful CPU, GPU, RAM and not to mention that highly pixel dense display. So the fact that the Nexus 6 lasts a day or longer is pretty impressive.

    And going onwards Project Volta wasn't a silver bullet either, it will help devs optimise their apps better but that will take time.
    11-21-2014 06:40 AM
  17. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    If I am not wrong the thread intended to discuss Android 5.0 and device comparisons less, but I'll still answer your queries.

    The Nexus 6 is more expensive than other Nexus devices, but it still nearly $200 cheaper than most high end Note devices or even the high end Lumia series, if certain cuts we're made in the display and camera and they don't matter much to people then so be it.

    Lollipop wasn't a magical solution to improving camera performance, that's not how things work really but Lollipop did introduce a totally refined camera API, which has allowed people to do this:

    http://www.androidauthority.com/nexu...amples-540858/

    Not everyone will benefit from the photography improvements, but those that do know their way around these will definitely benefit.

    As far as battery life goes, the Lumia 1520 has the ability to stuff a huge battery into a less powerful package than the Nexus 6. The Nexus 6 has too power a much more powerful CPU, GPU, RAM and not to mention that highly pixel dense display. So the fact that the Nexus 6 lasts a day or longer is pretty impressive.

    And going onwards Project Volta wasn't a silver bullet either, it will help devs optimise their apps better but that will take time.
    32gb Nexus 6- $649 from Google
    32gb Lumia 1520- $585 from Microsoft
    11-21-2014 07:02 AM
  18. thesachd's Avatar
    32gb Nexus 6- $649 from Google
    32gb Lumia 1520- $585 from Microsoft
    I wasn't aware of that, different places different prices. :P

    But I'm pretty sure Microsoft/Nokia are shaving off prices just to get it to sell.
    11-21-2014 07:03 AM
  19. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    I wasn't aware of that, different places different prices. :P

    But I'm pretty sure Microsoft/Nokia are shaving off prices just to get it to sell.
    My point was that this isn't the Nexus of old, this is priced as a premium device. I can get a comparable Android phone, the LG G3, for roughly 600$.
    11-21-2014 07:36 AM
  20. chezm's Avatar
    My point was that this isn't the Nexus of old, this is priced as a premium device. I can get a comparable Android phone, the LG G3, for roughly 600$.
    The Lg G3 is not comparable to the Nexus 6 spec wise or performance wise (based on some reviews i've watched). But ya the N6 is expensive for sure, however id take it over any OEM Android anyday.
    11-21-2014 01:39 PM
  21. chezm's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong, like I said, Lollipop is most certainly a step-up from KitKat was. The design choices look nice and if they stick with it (and don't drop it like they did with Holo), it has lots of room from improvement. Even if running in native code (ART) isn't giving huge battery gains, it's still much smoother than Dalvik, and that I can appreciate. But I still stand by the fact that Note 4 obliterates the N6 in almost all areas of practical use (besides the looks, the N6 is GORGEOUS).
    TouchWiz would like to suggest otherwise. While the Note 4 is probably the best Android phone performance wise on the market, TouchWiz is still considered a "nagging parent" holding it back from true greatness. I mean watch the video reviews and you can clearly see a delay in response from touch. Even MKHBD says Touchwiz hurts Note 4's performance.
    11-21-2014 01:42 PM
  22. chezm's Avatar
    Try comparing a Material Design application like Play Newsstand to a Metro UI application like Bing News.

    You'll find that the Material one is significantly more polished and faster, oh and looks better too.
    this, 100%. I know many here HATE Android and that fine but accept it, Lollipop has improved the OS (especially the UI). Its definitely much more efficient, and this is all stock not rooting or custom roms involved. Android 5.0 may not be a big deal to WP fans but its a big deal to Android developers and users of the OS.
    11-21-2014 02:00 PM
  23. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    The Lg G3 is not comparable to the Nexus 6 spec wise or performance wise (based on some reviews i've watched). But ya the N6 is expensive for sure, however id take it over any OEM Android anyday.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad that they're trying a premium device instead of a budget one. I like the idea, even if I don't currently use Android. If I used Android, it'd likely be the Nexus 6.
    11-21-2014 08:56 PM
  24. thesachd's Avatar
    this, 100%. I know many here HATE Android and that fine but accept it, Lollipop has improved the OS (especially the UI). Its definitely much more efficient, and this is all stock not rooting or custom roms involved. Android 5.0 may not be a big deal to WP fans but its a big deal to Android developers and users of the OS.


    This is one of the recent applications that got optimised for Material Design. Damn she's a beauty. It's Reddit Sync if anyone's asking.

    I honestly preferred Metro UI over Holo in quite a few instances, but I had quite a lot of gripes with Metro the main one being how inconsistent text was throughout the UI. In some places there'd be huge headers/titles, like the settings app/Facebook Messenger app/ Windows Store and under it the text would be way way smaller.

    And the huge titles really left much less space to view any content at all.

    That's what I personally love about Material, it gets out of your way to let you view content while still being beautiful with the colours and animations. There are a few rough edges with Material Design but I'm sure they'll be ironed out soon enough.
    11-22-2014 12:22 AM
  25. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    If I am not wrong the thread intended to discuss Android 5.0 and device comparisons less, but I'll still answer your queries.
    They both go hand in hand in my opinion. Have a look at this recent article:
    AnandTech | Encryption and Storage Performance in Android 5.0 Lollipop

    Google did people wrong with FDE. The Nexus 6 is of course a very powerful device and its real-world performance won't suffer because of this encryption. The Nexus 4/5 don't get this performance penalty because only new devices that ship with Lollipop will have this enabled by default.

    The drops in performance will be felt by devices that don't run on powerful hardware. The N6 benchmarks slower than the N5 with encryption on. Imagine what kind of mess the lower-end devices will suffer.

    So, I wouldn't say the 5.0 is without its faults. Even if it does many things right, it gets plenty of them wrong.
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    11-22-2014 11:36 AM
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