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  1. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    Still love Android?
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    11-15-2014 10:40 AM
  2. AhmadSorour's Avatar
    big thing is, is, that nokia/microsofts "unflagship" is much better than samesongs highly touted flagship note. I have the 1020 and a note running kitkat. The note is slow, laggy and the OS is just jumping all over the place. My nokia 1020 is technically "inferior" to my note phone, however its buttery smooth, fast and the camera is approximately 10000000000 times better. I have yet to take a good photo with the notes camera. The only reason im using the note is I dropped my nokia and shattered the screen. Every day tasks that I do on my 1020, are a chore on the note because of lag, and poor overall performance from the Android ecosystem. Its poor, at best. I can guarantee that the 1520 while "technically inferior" and does not meet your definition of flagship, is a much better phone, tablet, device than the note will ever be. I would look at overall experience than the hard specs. The samesong needs 8 cores etc in order to make android remotely run smooth. The 1520 does not need a powerful processor to run WINPHONE. Then, look at camera performance, (or lack there of in Samsung), Another useful feature unlike having the fastest processor when not needed. Look at sound quality both from the external speaker and the headphone jack. Again, Lumia rules the roost here. Then, look at battery life. I can go all day and then some with my Lumia. My note needs to be plugged in by early afternoon. Lumia wins again. Hell, this one is not even looked at any more. Call quality. The call quality and signal reception of the Lumia is vastly superior than the note as well.

    See, specs don't tell the story. User experience does. yes, android gets more apps, but I have every major app on my Lumia and they run great and provide a great user experience. I could care less about specs, A flagship phone should provide the best USER EXPERIENCE regardless of specs.
    Man...you made me cry...haven't seen any people who think like me...GIVE THAT MAN A COOKIE
    11-15-2014 10:51 AM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You stated that you use your handset as your PC. What exactly do you do with your PC? Which ecosystem are you most invested in? If you use Chrome as your browser, Gmail for email, contacts and calendars and Google Drive for cloud storage, then your choice is simple. I heartily recommend the G3 (I owned it, excellent device) but if you use MS services then I would advise the 1520. Forget specs, that is how Madison Ave. has conditioned the public into buying phones. There's an old adage that says "horsepower sells cars, torque wins races".
    11-15-2014 12:42 PM
  4. colinkiama's Avatar
    LOL just get 1520, it's getting windows 10 anyway. in fact all wp8 lumias are getting windows 10.
    11-15-2014 12:51 PM
  5. RustyU's Avatar
    ...

    • You can't move or install apps onto an SD card
    • Manuafacturer apps can save data/files to an SD card, but 3rd party apps cannot.
    • Manufacturer installed apps cannot be removed (they can only be disabled)

    • manufacture dependant, but really Google would prefer external storage to go away
    • Not true
    • Doesn't matter, manufacturer apps live on /system, removing them would gain no useable space
    Last edited by RustyU; 11-16-2014 at 05:07 AM.
    11-15-2014 02:59 PM
  6. chezm's Avatar
    Still love Android?
    Not sure what the point is here...lollipop on my nexus 5 is solid with no issues, you got an error and its the end of the world?! Lol. I got errors on windows phone before doesn't mean its garbage. The logic people use to prove their branding loyalty is hilarious

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    11-15-2014 07:03 PM
  7. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    Not sure what the point is here...lollipop on my nexus 5 is solid with no issues, you got an error and its the end of the world?! Lol. I got errors on windows phone before doesn't mean its garbage. The logic people use to prove their branding loyalty is hilarious

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    What if I tell you...this happens eveRy minute? Anyways...
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    11-16-2014 02:02 AM
  8. EBUK's Avatar
    • manufacture dependant, but really Google would prefer external storage to go away
    • Not true
    • Doesn't matter, manufacturer apps live on /system, removing then would gain by space
    1. No, it's version of Android dependent. KitKat does NOT permit apps to be moved to SD.
    KitKat and SD cards ? what's fixed, what's broken and what's misunderstood | Android Central

    2. Clarification, a 3rd party app when working with another apps files (eg photos) CANNOT move or write those files to an SD card. So, if you want to edit photo in an app that did not take those photos, you won't be able to save them back to the SD card.

    3. It does matter to some people, maybe not to you. When you're forced to install apps on limited internal storage, every MB counts. And many of those manufacturer installed apps are just bloatware. Anyone with a Samsung knows this.
    11-16-2014 02:39 AM
  9. thesachd's Avatar
    I know this will draw some hate, but here goes:

    If MS doesn't come out with a new 6 inch flagship, I will soon be taking my family plans 4 phones to Android . I know there are many Android converts here and want their and others advice. I basically use my 1020 as my PC. It does everything I need for both a phone and PC (although its getting old and I need a bigger screen). IOS can't come close to 8.1 for my needs, but since Android is less of a walled garden can it do all that 8.1 does? For the record, I wont be leaving happily, as I go back to pocket pc's and WM with my hardware...
    If you are looking for the most top notch specifications you'll always see Android killing it.

    The 1520 is not a bad device by any means, but if your family does concert to Android I would recommend getting a Nexus 6. It offers much more in a much more pocket friendly price.

    Oh and the Nexus 6 won't lag like most people here would make you believe. Samsung devices might, but the rest quality Android devices are safe.

    Yes, Lollipop has some WP 8.1 features copied (like quiet hours).
    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 1520 (RM-937) using Tapatalk
    No quiet hours has existed for a few years now, not on Stock Android but in Custom ROMs for Android, like Cyanogenmod. Google may have taken this feature from Cyanogenmod, but no it wasn't taken from Windows Phone.
    11-16-2014 03:57 AM
  10. Steve Adams's Avatar
    If you are looking for the most top notch specifications you'll always see Android killing it.

    The 1520 is not a bad device by any means, but if your family does concert to Android I would recommend getting a Nexus 6. It offers much more in a much more pocket friendly price.

    Oh and the Nexus 6 won't lag like most people here would make you believe. Samsung devices might, but the rest quality Android devices are safe.



    No quiet hours has existed for a few years now, not on Stock Android but in Custom ROMs for Android, like Cyanogenmod. Google may have taken this feature from Cyanogenmod, but no it wasn't taken from Windows Phone.
    On stock android, quiet hours is brand new, AFTER windows phone. I vote wp all the way, I have used and owned other android devices other than Samsung and I had lag etc with all of them. Even scrolling is not smooth and fluid like it is on windows phone. Again, the 520 my wife had was smooth where as the android devices we owned, (all of them), scrolled jumpy and lagged. Also OS crashes were so common as well as mail app not working on her android deveice, and random reboots.

    Android was the reason we switched to WP. She is 100% happy with her 1020, I am 100% happy with my 1020, and the operating system, apps, and overall experience of WP is WAY ahead of androids mish mash of an operating system. I won't even get into IOS because its designed by fisher price, my son's leap pad has a more engaging OS.
    11-16-2014 04:53 AM
  11. thesachd's Avatar
    On stock android, quiet hours is brand new, AFTER windows phone. I vote wp all the way, I have used and owned other android devices other than Samsung and I had lag etc with all of them. Even scrolling is not smooth and fluid like it is on windows phone. Again, the 520 my wife had was smooth where as the android devices we owned, (all of them), scrolled jumpy and lagged. Also OS crashes were so common as well as mail app not working on her android deveice, and random reboots.

    Android was the reason we switched to WP. She is 100% happy with her 1020, I am 100% happy with my 1020, and the operating system, apps, and overall experience of WP is WAY ahead of androids mish mash of an operating system. I won't even get into IOS because its designed by fisher price, my son's leap pad has a more engaging OS.
    The hate is strong in you.

    Scrolling on Windows Phone smoothly is more of a misconception. If you scroll too fast on Windows Phone the content often disappears, whereas on Android scrolling too fast the GPU may struggle to render content.

    I've owned a 520 for a short while, I've also tried a 530. And no both of them we're not flawless in performance, they we're quite terrible and I preferred a Moto E or G over them any day for performance.

    Personally if you scroll as slowly as you would on Windows Phone, Android scrolling speed is on par.



    On good hardware Android scrolling, app loading and resuming flat out beats Windows Phone in my experience.

    Android 5.0 has had a massive boost in scrolling rendering and smoothness as well BTW.
    11-16-2014 05:04 AM
  12. EBUK's Avatar
    Have a look at the review of Lollipop on Android Central. There are several negative comments about how white the new OS is.

    Ultimately, you have to buy what works best for you, but is the lack of a flagship device really a reason to go? Just how fast do you need your web pages to load?
    11-16-2014 05:15 AM
  13. thesachd's Avatar
    Have a look at the review of Lollipop on Android Central. There are several negative comments about how white the new OS is.

    Ultimately, you have to buy what works best for you, but is the lack of a flagship device really a reason to go? Just how fast do you need your web pages to load?
    There are "several" negative comments on AC about Lollipop, but there are "many" threads on AC, YouTube and generally all over the internet about how great Android Lollipop is.
    11-16-2014 05:34 AM
  14. psoham777's Avatar
    There are "several" negative comments on AC about Lollipop, but there are "many" threads on AC, YouTube and generally all over the internet about how great Android Lollipop is.


    Not negative comments, they're actually facts. A few like
    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andro...phones_id62896
    11-16-2014 05:44 AM
  15. psoham777's Avatar
    The hate is strong in you.

    Scrolling on Windows Phone smoothly is more of a misconception. If you scroll too fast on Windows Phone the content often disappears, whereas on Android scrolling too fast the GPU may struggle to render content.

    I've owned a 520 for a short while, I've also tried a 530. And no both of them we're not flawless in performance, they we're quite terrible and I preferred a Moto E or G over them any day for performance.

    Personally if you scroll as slowly as you would on Windows Phone, Android scrolling speed is on par.



    On good hardware Android scrolling, app loading and resuming flat out beats Windows Phone in my experience.

    Android 5.0 has had a massive boost in scrolling rendering and smoothness as well BTW.


    Nope you're saying the opposite way. Scrolling issues, lagging is all part of Android, not WP.
    Loading / resuming in WP cannot be termed as lags. If you've downloaded the latest preview for developers update, you would realize that its almost gone now.
    11-16-2014 05:52 AM
  16. colinkiama's Avatar
    That moment when you realise rooting=dev preview :o
    11-16-2014 06:02 AM
  17. psoham777's Avatar
    That moment when you realise rooting=dev preview :o


    Really? Does developers preview allow you to download apps/games from unknown sources? My friend has jailbreaked his 925, he's able to download apps/games that are not available in the store, does DP allow that? Then how's rooting= DP?
    11-16-2014 07:01 AM
  18. hs k's Avatar
    Nope. What he means is that, dev preview is the closest you get to mess with the Os.

    As for your friend, he is just changing the region to download apps.
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    11-16-2014 07:31 AM
  19. Steve Adams's Avatar
    The hate is strong in you.

    Scrolling on Windows Phone smoothly is more of a misconception. If you scroll too fast on Windows Phone the content often disappears, whereas on Android scrolling too fast the GPU may struggle to render content.

    I've owned a 520 for a short while, I've also tried a 530. And no both of them we're not flawless in performance, they we're quite terrible and I preferred a Moto E or G over them any day for performance.

    Personally if you scroll as slowly as you would on Windows Phone, Android scrolling speed is on par.



    On good hardware Android scrolling, app loading and resuming flat out beats Windows Phone in my experience.

    Android 5.0 has had a massive boost in scrolling rendering and smoothness as well BTW.
    As I said before, IN MY EXEPRIENCE. In which I have a lot, I probably changed devices every 2-3 months on android, because I could never get one that was smooth and fluid. I never had the experience you claim with the imaging not loading. But that's cool. I actually get so much lag on my note running kitkat that It's almost un useable. I guess coming from my smooth nokia, what should I expect. Theres not hate. only towards apple. I hope that android can pull up their socks and make a smooth OS this time around. As all since froyo have been sloppy messes.

    I have been running android devices since the original HTC HERO GSM phone. and had about 15 devices since then on android. Pop in 3 Iphones and now the best, windows phone nokias. I had the Samsung ativ S before the 1020s and they were smooth too, just I wanted a quality camera. Something no other phone maker has, only nokia. and more specifically the 1020.

    Its not like I bought one android device and said this is ****. I have had many devices. And still do, have 5 android tablets, said phones and one media player running android. It's all collecting dust except for the two onda Ipad clones. I have two of those for my wife and I reading nextissue. I like how the magazines render on the square tablet screen better than on the 16/9 ratio of our asus tablets. We are getting each other surface pro 3s for Christmas this year so that may do in the ondas. I have an acer iconia 500 that I use in my overland vehicles as nav systems which will soon be upgraded to our asus tablets.

    Again, I am not some person who just tried android once and said, crap. I have used it pretty well since it was released. I dabbled in the IOS/OSX cult for awhile and that was just horrific. the full windows landscape is the smoothest system overall. Yeah, maybe there are more apps available on android, maybe you can root your phone, whatever. I want to pick up my phone and use it. Not screw with it all day and try to make it smooth and stable with other ROMs and crap like that. I pick up my 1020, its smooth, fast, stable, the call quality is the best of any phone I have owned as is its ability to pull in the signal on the outskirts of tower service. The best device.
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    11-16-2014 08:12 AM
  20. undulose's Avatar
    No quiet hours has existed for a few years now, not on Stock Android but in Custom ROMs for Android, like Cyanogenmod. Google may have taken this feature from Cyanogenmod, but no it wasn't taken from Windows Phone.
    I don't think so. I once rooted my boss's wife's phone and installed Cyanogenmod but Quiet Hours isn't there.
    11-16-2014 08:52 AM
  21. prasath1234's Avatar
    Yes android device are best only for tweakers rooters developers who know every trick in the books to optimise ram.For not so smart users get an iphone or wp.If you are rich get only iPhone.If you are going mid range wp is the way to go.android mid range lags after sometime or be prepared to face annoyances.
    From Windows phone
    11-16-2014 09:02 AM
  22. psoham777's Avatar
    Nope. What he means is that, dev preview is the closest you get to mess with the Os.

    As for your friend, he is just changing the region to download apps.

    I mean to say he downloads app from unknown sources, the apps which are not available in any region! He has clearly shown me how to jailbreak WP, I prefer using without it!
    11-16-2014 09:04 AM
  23. thesachd's Avatar
    Not negative comments, they're actually facts. A few like
    http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andro...phones_id62896
    Oh my poor friend. Before mindlessly picking up articles from anywhere please research a slight bit more.

    Android has no need for a silent mode any longer, we have priority and no notification/sound mode which does the exact same thing:

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    It functions the same way as a silent mode would.

    Nope you're saying the opposite way. Scrolling issues, lagging is all part of Android, not WP.
    Loading / resuming in WP cannot be termed as lags. If you've downloaded the latest preview for developers update, you would realize that its almost gone now.
    Yes indeed. Scrolling on Windows Phone is unmatched, just look here:

    Android IMO has the best scrolling and any of the small stutters you would find have been totally eliminated in Android 5.0, the only app that I would agree is laggy would be the Facebook app.

    But it's certainly better than Windows Phone. Pick up a Nexus 5 and a a 1520 and go into an app for like Twitter, I can guarantee a 110% percent that the Android version will scroll much faster.

    Or go into the Windows Central app and go into settings and scroll you'll find Android is way better.

    Scrolling was once an issue, no longer does such an issue persist.

    That moment when you realise rooting=dev preview :o
    No rooting allows you to over volt, under volt, over clock or under clock, give you tons of customisation, maybe flash camera improvements, etc.

    Rooting is way more useful and advanced than a dev preview.

    As I said before, IN MY EXEPRIENCE. In which I have a lot, I probably changed devices every 2-3 months on android, because I could never get one that was smooth and fluid. I never had the experience you claim with the imaging not loading. But that's cool. I actually get so much lag on my note running kitkat that It's almost un useable. I guess coming from my smooth nokia, what should I expect. Theres not hate. only towards apple. I hope that android can pull up their socks and make a smooth OS this time around. As all since froyo have been sloppy messes.

    I have been running android devices since the original HTC HERO GSM phone. and had about 15 devices since then on android. Pop in 3 Iphones and now the best, windows phone nokias. I had the Samsung ativ S before the 1020s and they were smooth too, just I wanted a quality camera. Something no other phone maker has, only nokia. and more specifically the 1020.

    Its not like I bought one android device and said this is ****. I have had many devices. And still do, have 5 android tablets, said phones and one media player running android. It's all collecting dust except for the two onda Ipad clones. I have two of those for my wife and I reading nextissue. I like how the magazines render on the square tablet screen better than on the 16/9 ratio of our asus tablets. We are getting each other surface pro 3s for Christmas this year so that may do in the ondas. I have an acer iconia 500 that I use in my overland vehicles as nav systems which will soon be upgraded to our asus tablets.

    Again, I am not some person who just tried android once and said, crap. I have used it pretty well since it was released. I dabbled in the IOS/OSX cult for awhile and that was just horrific. the full windows landscape is the smoothest system overall. Yeah, maybe there are more apps available on android, maybe you can root your phone, whatever. I want to pick up my phone and use it. Not screw with it all day and try to make it smooth and stable with other ROMs and crap like that. I pick up my 1020, its smooth, fast, stable, the call quality is the best of any phone I have owned as is its ability to pull in the signal on the outskirts of tower service. The best device.
    I have had a Nexus 5 for the past few months now, rarely have I ever experienced a lag or shutter.

    The only app that displays noticeable stuttering is the Facebook app. Rest is all fine.

    Your experience may have been bad, but it's gotten a lot better now.

    I don't think so. I once rooted my boss's wife's phone and installed Cyanogenmod but Quiet Hours isn't there.
    If I am not wrong Windows Phone got Quiet Hours in Windows Phone 8.1 which was released in 2014.

    Cyanogenmod has had it for a while, but here's an article from 2013 about it:

    http://www.addictivetips.com/android...-review-guide/

    Navigate down to the sound heading, or Ctrl+F and find "quiet hours".

    Before saying that Android copied something please research about it.

    If you are looking for something that has been copied though, please unlock your Windows Phone and swipe down the notification centre with power toggles, you can thank Android for that. ;)
    Last edited by thesachd; 11-16-2014 at 09:26 AM.
    11-16-2014 09:14 AM
  24. Wam1q's Avatar
    That moment when you realise rooting=dev preview :o
    Nope. On WP, rooting is actually Interop unlock. It allows a LOT of freedom/customisations (custom accents, etc.), editing the registry (bringing almost Android-level freedom) and what not. It is a very complicated process and only some WP7 phones and some WP8 phones (no Lumias--only select Samsung phones pre-WP8 GDR3--even Samsung patched the exploit in WP8 GDR3) can be Interop unlocked using software tools. No Interop unlock for WP8.1 has been known. A minor jailbreak thingy is developer unlock (different from developer preview) which allows to sideload 2 apps on one phone (free for all) or 10 apps on 3 phones (free for students/US$19 for others officially from MS--a Chinese unofficial tool allows free for all, too) on the phone's internal memory. Developer unlock only allows to sideload apps from a PC and requires special deployment software on the PC. Another way to sideload apps is by using a company account and special signed apps which can directly be installed on the phone (no PC needed--like installing .apk files on Android) from the installation file (.xap/.appx).

    Developer unlocked phones can install apps from unknown sources. Many people use it to run 1GB RAM patched games on 512MB RAM phones. For example many people installed Subway Surfers on their Lumia 520 long before it was actually available for 512MB RAM phones in the Store. It is unfortunately also used to install pirated apps/games. And Developer unlock is persistent. You can update your device and the phone stays dev-unlocked. Dev-unlocking is sanctioned by MS, unlike iOS jailbreak and WP Interop unlock. Since Interop unlock is not permitted by MS, updates may break the unlock.

    A thing more advance than Interop unlock is full unlock (available on select WP7 phones through Custom ROM's) which allows to run .exe files natively like a PC.

    Yet another way to download forbidden apps from the Store (like those meant for another phone or OEM) was the fiddler or proxy route. It was used to disguise your WP as some other WP and downloading apps meant for that WP (Like downloading Nokia apps on Samsung or 1GB RAM games on 512 MB RAM phones). It has been patched in WP8.1.
    Last edited by Wam1q; 11-16-2014 at 10:29 AM.
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    11-16-2014 09:41 AM
  25. Wam1q's Avatar
    I mean to say he downloads app from unknown sources, the apps which are not available in any region! He has clearly shown me how to jailbreak WP, I prefer using without it!
    If he has a Lumia, most probably he has a developer unlocked phone. (Since Interop unlocking on WP8 Lumias using software tools has not yet been discovered)
    11-16-2014 09:50 AM
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