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  1. Ruined's Avatar
    I just pointed out that they have their own Office applications so why are you bothering to have a go at me?
    Because as noted in my previous post, this thread's original post, the Verge article linked, my reply, and the rest of this thread has been about Microsoft delivering Microsoft-authored apps to various platforms, not Office clones by other developers.
    11-14-2014 05:34 PM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    A snippet from my post:


    Responses:




    My response:
    Actually, I'm right - in context. The OP I responded to was about Microsoft Office and Microsoft apps, not about Random Productivity Suite #5 by {Insert non-Microsoft developer here}. And, Windows Phone had Microsoft Office exclusively for *years* while once again iOS/Android had nothing. Yes, they had iOS/Android imitation apps but given the OP is lamenting Microsoft-authored apps that is 100% irrelevant to the discussion.

    So once again, I find it extremely short-sighted and odd to be lamenting about the latest and greatest app, when we've had exclusivity to that suite for years while the competition had nothing, and we all well know Microsoft is putting their efforts into a W10 version (~6 months away) as Microsoft has already said so!

    Finally, why is the Verge framing this as "Microsoft is screwing over its users" (baloney) rather than "Microsoft is by far the most cross-platform friendly company out of the big three" (reality)? Answer: Because they have always been biased against Microsoft and Windows Phone.
    Actually, Office for Mobile has been around since waaaaaay before Android or iOS. I'll let you in on another dirty little secret - the Office apps on WinMo were much better and much closer to their desktop versions. I'd even go as far as to say that Docs To Go is even better than the current crop of mobile Office and supports PDF to boot.
    neo158 likes this.
    11-14-2014 05:34 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I just pointed out that they have their own Office applications so why are you bothering to have a go at me?
    Hey, this is Phone Wars. Nobody's above the fray when the flamethrowers are lit.
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    11-14-2014 05:36 PM
  4. wpn00b's Avatar
    I look at it as Microsoft creating a compelling experience where most of the users are currently. They are sending a Trojan horse(Skype, Office, OneNote) to the other camps and getting users or maintaining users before they get trapped in another ecosystem. They've focused resources on creating those apps first to hold the users and now they are focusing on their own offerings. When those offerings are complete they will be released as the place to go when your current device is in need of an upgrade. By then the experience will have been improved greatly and the best experience will be on Windows(phone, desktop, tablets).
    fatclue_98, Ruined and colinkiama like this.
    11-14-2014 05:37 PM
  5. neo158's Avatar
    Because as noted in my previous post, this thread's original post, the Verge article linked, my reply, and the rest of this thread has been about Microsoft delivering Microsoft-authored apps to various platforms, not Office clones by other developers.
    Those other developers are Apple and Google by the way so they aren't clones but mobile versions of their respective productivity applications. So it's very relevant to this thread in fact.

    Microsoft will still be/are competing with both iWork and Docs, Sheets and Slides on their respective platforms as well.
    11-14-2014 05:39 PM
  6. neo158's Avatar
    I look at it as Microsoft creating a compelling experience where most of the users are currently. They are sending a Trojan horse(Skype, Office, OneNote) to the other camps and getting users or maintaining users before they get trapped in another ecosystem. They've focused resources on creating those apps first to hold the users and now they are focusing on their own offerings. When those offerings are complete they will be released as the place to go when your current device is in need of an upgrade. By then the experience will have been improved greatly and the best experience will be on Windows(phone, desktop, tablets).
    Yeah 6 months later, how many updates to add new features that the Android and iOS versions will have had by then is anyone's guess!!!!
    NeerajMakeBelieve likes this.
    11-14-2014 05:45 PM
  7. Squachy's Avatar
    Lets compare this to blackberry. BBM was exclusive to them for ever. They decided to start releasing on other platforms after some dire circumstances. So now everyone has access to BBM. Is anyone running out to get a blackberry now that they had a taste? Or are people now going 'woo, now I have BBM and I don't need to get a crapberry for it'?
    11-14-2014 06:40 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Lets compare this to blackberry. BBM was exclusive to them for ever. They decided to start releasing on other platforms after some dire circumstances. So now everyone has access to BBM. Is anyone running out to get a blackberry now that they had a taste? Or are people now going 'woo, now I have BBM and I don't need to get a crapberry for it'?
    Considering the limited volume but the Passport sold out its allotment twice and the pre-orders for the Classic are going quite well. The interest is obviously there on the consumer end and BB still owns a 60% share of the enterprise segment. Don't count them out just yet.
    wpn00b likes this.
    11-14-2014 07:16 PM
  9. vinscg's Avatar
    wp8 was great with the hubs...now..its nothing ... im getting a BlackBerry.. enough of this buggy os half-baked
    11-14-2014 08:03 PM
  10. Visa Declined's Avatar
    wp8 was great with the hubs...now..its nothing ... im getting a BlackBerry.. enough of this buggy os half-baked
    You're going to love how awesome Blackberry World is.

    Heh
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    11-14-2014 09:17 PM
  11. jwinch2's Avatar
    Lets compare this to blackberry. BBM was exclusive to them for ever. They decided to start releasing on other platforms after some dire circumstances. So now everyone has access to BBM. Is anyone running out to get a blackberry now that they had a taste? Or are people now going 'woo, now I have BBM and I don't need to get a crapberry for it'?

    Exactly
    11-14-2014 11:35 PM
  12. irvin792's Avatar
    wp8 was great with the hubs...now..its nothing ... im getting a BlackBerry.. enough of this buggy os half-baked
    Lol comedy
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    11-14-2014 11:36 PM
  13. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Lets compare this to blackberry. BBM was exclusive to them for ever. They decided to start releasing on other platforms after some dire circumstances. So now everyone has access to BBM. Is anyone running out to get a blackberry now that they had a taste? Or are people now going 'woo, now I have BBM and I don't need to get a crapberry for it'?
    Blackberry did the only smart thing they could do at that point, as data collection for BBM on Blackberry was almost gone. So they had to shift focus to other platforms. Putting BBM on iOS and Android was the only thing that let them shift into Cloud services. The Passport was still over a year away, and almost no one wanted to buy a Blackberry but the ever shrinking hardcore Blackberry keyboard users.

    I do think BBM has a huge fight still to come, as Whatsapp, Facebook, Viber, Line,Wechat are all in the same game of data to sales.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-15-2014 02:46 AM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    I am a loyal WP fan. I started about two years ago, when the L920 came out. I traded my then awesome HTC One X to experience firsthand the WP8 OS. I just wanted something different. Along the way, I have acquired the L520, L925, L1520, and recently the L1020, for me and my family. So I know what WP has to offer.

    Now to the main point: I am now not so sure that the best MS experience is being offered in WP. Android and iOS apps authored by Microsoft are worryingly better than for WP, and introduced earlier. Please see this: Microsoft?s Android and iOS focus leaves Windows users in the cold | The Verge

    What Microsoft thinks it's doing? At least for me, I am intolerant to the feeling of being duped. As much as I love WP, I can quickly go back to Android through the Nexus devices and Lollipop.
    WP10 man. The media is tricking you. Haven't you noticed that Facebook is now 90% feature filled. Skype qik now has the same features as the iOS and Android versions. Microsoft released garage apps. The only reason why it seems like your getting duped is because the apps are built in so they can only be updated to be separate from the os or updated at all with a major updated (windows10).
    NeerajMakeBelieve likes this.
    11-15-2014 06:09 AM
  15. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    WP10 man. The media is tricking you. Haven't you noticed that Facebook is now 90% feature filled. Skype qik now has the same features as the iOS and Android versions. Microsoft released garage apps. The only reason why it seems like your getting duped is because the apps are built in so they can only be updated to be separate from the os or updated at all with a major updated (windows10).
    Are those the only two you could list?
    11-16-2014 03:07 AM
  16. CliveSinclair's Avatar
    Microsoft is somewhat to blame, as are developers. Developers and businesses alike will go with the largest customer base - iOS and Android. I have developed for both iOS and Android for clients. 3 of my larger clients moved to WP. Guess what, I quickly learnt to develop on WP. Luckily my clients allowed me a reasonable timeframe (6 months) to complete Apps for their WP's.

    So yes, Microsoft will try and keep the largest number of customers happy first - as will small developers like me.

    Personally I believe the only way to go truly cross platform is to drop OS based Apps completely.

    Look on the bright side - we WP users are using iOS and Android users a beta testers ;-)
    11-19-2014 02:15 AM
  17. Reflexx's Avatar

    Look on the bright side - we WP users are using iOS and Android users a beta testers ;-)
    Haha. Thanks for that.
    12-02-2014 12:53 PM
  18. jasqid's Avatar
    I am the OP, and I am not a moaner. I have bought five different WP phones, dammit! I just want WP to be not just a "me, too" platform, but a credible alternative to the iOS/Android experiences.

    If by raising the flag on the shortcomings of the WP platform you are criticizing me, then you make my point even more valid.
    I get what you mean and by no means think you are moaning. Well, you are.... :) but these are things that have to be said. I've been on WP since 2010 and really love(d) the platform. While 8.1 brought a lot of new and needed features IMO it was also a step (huge) backward. I LOVED using the hubs rather than the apps. I loved my Me tile showing me all my comment replies, likes and RT. I loved being able to scan through the People Whats New and pop a quick like. When asked how someone was doing I would go to the PHOTOS section of their people hub and show off their photos. This is all gone and it (8 months later) still really bothers me.

    These kind of things need to be vented and voiced to (help) steer the company in the direction and needs of it customers. Customers don't do it all and neither does MS. Its a give and take relationship. I mean, look at what WIn 10 9879 did to OneDrive. WTF?

    Anyway. It was my turn to moan but its all good.
    steve_w_7 likes this.
    12-03-2014 11:06 AM
  19. NeerajMakeBelieve's Avatar
    man the only reason WP are struggling is devs. who are ****ting on us because they just use basic stuff for poor apps
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    12-07-2014 09:01 AM
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