12-12-2014 02:55 PM
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  1. KhawarNadeem's Avatar
    Our update experience with WP8.1 was anything but problem free, then again, we had only one or two well known update related issues per device. I thought we had a really rough time, and although MS shouldn't allow that to happen again, this at least shows it could have been far worse.
    Sorry for that slight detour in the second half. Back to lollipop... I say "not a train wreck". Perhaps "arbitrarily buggy" is more appropriate.
    I agree with you (as usual! :p). Arbitrarily buggy is right. Like on my sister's N4, the front facing camera got messed up, and now the pictures are far too grainy and the motion on screen isn't smooth, it's actually jerky. But she's not having any other issues besides the camera. Another friend on his N4 is telling me his battery drains in 5 hours of light use. And yet another friend is getting too many 'force close' errors on his Nexus 7 with apps such as Outlook and Whatsapp.

    It's supposedly a big update, because runtime changes are never smooth. But I wouldn't call it a trainwreck...
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    12-05-2014 07:13 AM
  2. Soulstream's Avatar
    what?
    Samsung's version of Android is far from the best implementation. They add too much on top of Android and most of the times they don't optimize it enough. The problem is that Samsung being the best selling Android OEM, most people associate them with Android. Vanilla Android is the one you find on Nexus devices without any interference from anyone.

    I can't verify this with any study but from my friends, most of the ones that complain abouts lag are Samsung users. LG/HTC/Motorola are far better in implementing their flavor of Android and I haven't heard much complaining of lag on such devices.
    12-05-2014 09:49 AM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
    I haven't used it but I don't expect it to be a "train wreck". It will probably be like any other OS. In the hands of people who are NOT fixed in the past, comfortable in their understanding of how this thing works or why it works the way it does, it'll be fine for those people. For those that expected more of an IPhone clone or working the same way the last OS did, there will be hate. We see it here with WP all day long.
    ven07 and Visa Declined like this.
    12-05-2014 10:00 AM
  4. DJCBS's Avatar
    I've only heard major complaints about it on the Nexus 6.

    But I don't intend to update to it anyway. The "Material Design" is horrible and ruins Android. If I want simplistic colourful designs I would sooner return to Windows Phone. At least there the minimalistic is done right. I'll keep Holo, thanks. (Unless Sony completely redesigns Lollipop...which I doubt).
    12-05-2014 10:32 AM
  5. Steve Adams's Avatar
    Samsung's version of Android is far from the best implementation. They add too much on top of Android and most of the times they don't optimize it enough. The problem is that Samsung being the best selling Android OEM, most people associate them with Android. Vanilla Android is the one you find on Nexus devices without any interference from anyone.

    I can't verify this with any study but from my friends, most of the ones that complain abouts lag are Samsung users. LG/HTC/Motorola are far better in implementing their flavor of Android and I haven't heard much complaining of lag on such devices.
    I had HTC devices and were laggy as well. However, I will say that HTC's version of android was much cooler than samsungs. But performance however did not change much.
    12-05-2014 11:49 AM
  6. EBUK's Avatar
    Windows is more of type of OS for the power user who's tired of changing and tweaking things all of the time.
    That's a good way to put it. I got tired of having to hack the system just to get basic things done - like being able to store data and apps on an SD card. What is the point of having an SD card slot if you can't use it for anything useful. Unlock the bootloader, root the phone, install Xposed framework, find an Xposed Module that is compatible with your phone, tweak system files... that's just too much effort!

    WP makes things simple. I can simply tell it to install apps and data where I want them. Job done. Simple.

    Of course, tweaking can be fun; it helps you gain a better understanding of the way the system works which can be invaluable when something goes awry and a technical fix is needed.
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    12-05-2014 12:11 PM
  7. Visa Declined's Avatar
    That's a good way to put it. I got tired of having to hack the system just to get basic things done - like being able to store data and apps on an SD card. What is the point of having an SD card slot if you can't use it for anything useful. Unlock the bootloader, root the phone, install Xposed framework, find an Xposed Module that is compatible with your phone, tweak system files... that's just too much effort!

    WP makes things simple. I can simply tell it to install apps and data where I want them. Job done. Simple.

    Of course, tweaking can be fun; it helps you gain a better understanding of the way the system works which can be invaluable when something goes awry and a technical fix is needed.
    Android 5.0 Makes SD Cards Great Again, Extends API To Allow Full Directory Access, Automatic MediaStore, And Improves Security
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    12-05-2014 12:17 PM
  8. EBUK's Avatar
    Interesting article, but still no native ability to move apps to an SD as there is in WP.

    So many Android phones come with 8GB storage, but the Android OS will eat up a fair amount of that. Unless you have a phone with 16GB or more of internal storage, the ability to store apps on an SD card is essential.
    12-05-2014 12:38 PM
  9. thesachd's Avatar
    That's a good way to put it. I got tired of having to hack the system just to get basic things done - like being able to store data and apps on an SD card. What is the point of having an SD card slot if you can't use it for anything useful. Unlock the bootloader, root the phone, install Xposed framework, find an Xposed Module that is compatible with your phone, tweak system files... that's just too much effort!

    WP makes things simple. I can simply tell it to install apps and data where I want them. Job done. Simple.

    Of course, tweaking can be fun; it helps you gain a better understanding of the way the system works which can be invaluable when something goes awry and a technical fix is needed.
    The definition of power user is confusing one, but for me it is someone that wants his phone to do more than what the average consumer.

    Even for power users, and this is backed up by many reputable companies, Android is still king. Among widgets, apps that can float above other apps, true multitasking, keyboard switching, better notifications, video transcoding/encoding and tons of other stuff, Android is still the right place for power users even without much tweaking or customisation.

    Windows Phone is only suitable for the average Joe, and maybe some functionality that goes beyond that, but for the most part it definitely isn't the OS for power users IMO.

    Interesting article, but still no native ability to move apps to an SD as there is in WP.

    So many Android phones come with 8GB storage, but the Android OS will eat up a fair amount of that. Unless you have a phone with 16GB or more of internal storage, the ability to store apps on an SD card is essential.
    Native ability to move apps to an SD Card? I don't know what Microsoft has been feeding you lately but Android was the first modern smartphone OS to allow moving to apps and data to the SD Card.

    I admit that there are apps that can't be moved, primarily those with widgets, but Android app sizes are generally smaller than Windows Phone ones.

    But the situation is improving.
    12-07-2014 05:33 AM
  10. SammyD97's Avatar
    The definition of power user is confusing one, but for me it is someone that wants his phone to do more than what the average consumer.

    Even for power users, and this is backed up by many reputable companies, Android is still king. Among widgets, apps that can float above other apps, true multitasking, keyboard switching, better notifications, video transcoding/encoding and tons of other stuff, Android is still the right place for power users even without much tweaking or customisation.

    Windows Phone is only suitable for the average Joe, and maybe some functionality that goes beyond that, but for the most part it definitely isn't the OS for power users IMO.



    Native ability to move apps to an SD Card? I don't know what Microsoft has been feeding you lately but Android was the first modern smartphone OS to allow moving to apps and data to the SD Card.

    I admit that there are apps that can't be moved, primarily those with widgets, but Android app sizes are generally smaller than Windows Phone ones.

    But the situation is improving.
    Do you really spend as much time on Non-Android forums preaching the Android gospel as it seems?
    12-07-2014 06:15 AM
  11. thesachd's Avatar
    Do you really spend as much time on Non-Android forums preaching the Android gospel as it seems?
    I'm sorry did I say something that wasn't true?
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    12-07-2014 06:23 AM
  12. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Do you really spend as much time on Non-Android forums preaching the Android gospel as it seems?
    Yes it appears that way. He must be trying to save us from this tyranny of windows phone and makes us into power users. Because you know we can't be power users on windows phone or apple. We have to use android lol.
    12-07-2014 06:24 AM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I'm sorry did I say something that wasn't true?
    Yes you did. Because who are you to define what myself and others are considered as. For you android works and everything and that is great. But that doesn't mean that you are somehow a power user as you call it and I'm not lol. You sound really arrogant right now.
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    12-07-2014 06:28 AM
  14. EBUK's Avatar
    Native ability to move apps to an SD Card? I don't know what Microsoft has been feeding you lately but Android was the first modern smartphone OS to allow moving to apps and data to the SD Card.
    WAS, not STILL IS.

    I cannot move any apps to the SD card without having to meddle with the system. Although I am quite prepared to hack away, many people aren't.

    For someone who proclaims to be a power user you seem to know very little about the most recent iterations of Android.
    12-07-2014 07:11 AM
  15. thesachd's Avatar
    Yes it appears that way. He must be trying to save us from this tyranny of windows phone and makes us into power users. Because you know we can't be power users on windows phone or apple. We have to use android lol.
    Actually I never mentioned Apple, but even Apple users could call themselves power users considering the plethora of professional applications for image, video and audio editing and creation.

    The only use case where Windows Phone could excel with "power user" use would probably be the photography suite because of manual controls and RAW support, but other OSes are catching up as we'll.

    The definition of power user can't be someone who just uses his phone for a call, some browsing maybe a few games.

    Yes you did. Because who are you to define what myself and others are considered as. For you android works and everything and that is great. But that doesn't mean that you are somehow a power user as you call it and I'm not lol. You sound really arrogant right now.
    Please I would like anyone of you to enlighten me on what your definition of power user is and how Windows Phone is the best in it.

    WAS, not STILL IS.

    I cannot move any apps to the SD card without having to meddle with the system. Although I am quite prepared to hack away, many people aren't.

    For someone who proclaims to be a power user you seem to know very little about the most recent iterations of Android.
    http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11...oves-security/

    This should alleviate, some if not all, of the issues you are facing. The ability to store apps to the SD card is some thing certain OEMs are enabling/disabling on their own, many devices such as the HTC One M8 and Nvidia Shield still allow for app moving to the SD Card.
    12-07-2014 10:56 AM
  16. EBUK's Avatar
    The ability to store apps to the SD card is some thing certain OEMs are enabling/disabling on their own
    Stock Android does not allow you to move apps to sd. You have to root and use 3rd party app. That some manufacturers enable the feature again, and others don't, only adds to the confusion.

    Again, you have demonstrated what a mess Android is. And you have changed your story - first you tell us that we CAN move apps to SD, and now you're telling we that we might be able to, but it depends on the handset manufacturer.

    You still haven't answered any of the questions I've asked you.
    12-07-2014 11:17 AM
  17. thesachd's Avatar
    Stock Android does not allow you to move apps to sd. You have to root and use 3rd party app. That some manufacturers enable the feature again, and others don't, only adds to the confusion.

    Again, you have demonstrated what a mess Android is. And you have changed your story - first you tell us that we CAN move apps to SD, and now you're telling we that we might be able to, but it depends on the handset manufacturer.

    You still haven't answered any of the questions I've asked you.
    Okay I'll admit Android can't move apps to the SD card. Happy? But how can one feature make

    My story was conflicting because I haven't owned stock Android devices apart from Nexus(which don't come with SD cards) the rest of the devices I've tried did support moving apps to SD Card.

    If this feature we're removed it was done primarily because Google doesn't like SD cards, at least that is what they show in the Nexus series. Manufacturers can choose to enable support for SD card moving however, but some don't.

    This is one small thing that most users don't even care about it, if this we're as huge a feature as you make it out to be Windows Phone 7 and 8 didn't have this capability either and I saw that people didn't say it was more complicated because of this.

    Edit: Also a thing to keep in mind is that SD card have classes, as in different SD cards have variations Class 2, Class 4, 6 10 and so on.

    The general consumer doesn't understand this, and when on a 520 I moved all apps to a Class 2 SD card apps opening became much worse, the issues we're better managed with a Class 10.

    But the thing is that applications need not store data on the SD card as the SD cards are generally significantly slower than the internal memory.

    Android 5.0 will allow application developers to store large data files on the SD card, while the smaller .apk will be on the internal memory resulting in better performance + more free storage.
    12-07-2014 12:11 PM
  18. altafmahmood's Avatar
    This is one small thing that most users don't even care about it, if this we're as huge a feature as you make it out to be Windows Phone 7 and 8 didn't have this capability either and I saw that people didn't say it was more complicated because of this.
    This is one big that that most people care about, Especially the so called power users, with plenty of apps and games. As for WP 7&8 not having that functionality earlier, did android have all those capabilities in early stages?

    As for all the good things about Android lollipop 🍭 first let Google fix the major wifi and battery issues.
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    12-07-2014 01:09 PM
  19. thesachd's Avatar
    This is one big that that most people care about, Especially the so called power users, with plenty of apps and games. As for WP 7&8 not having that functionality earlier, did android have all those capabilities in early stages?

    As for all the good things about Android lollipop 🍭 first let Google fix the major wifi and battery issues.
    The early stages of Android and Windows Phone we're different, Windows Phone had a lot to learn(and did) from existing operating systems and their functionality.

    Also I told you the solution for that issue with Android 5.0, I wish you had gone through that.

    And issues arise with every major update, for Windows Phone they arise even with the smaller ones:

    http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+A...ticle36925.htm

    http://m.pocketnow.com/2014/07/16/lu...windows-phones

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/ask...an-update.html

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...an-issues.html
    12-07-2014 01:45 PM
  20. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    The early stages of Android and Windows Phone we're different, Windows Phone had a lot to learn(and did) from existing operating systems and their functionality.

    Also I told you the solution for that issue with Android 5.0, I wish you had gone through that.

    And issues arise with every major update, for Windows Phone they arise even with the smaller ones:

    http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+A...ticle36925.htm

    http://m.pocketnow.com/2014/07/16/lu...windows-phones

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/ask...an-update.html

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...an-issues.html
    The point he was making, I presume, is that you speak of android as flawless not that windows phone is perfect, when in reality both operating systems have their share of issues.....you'd expect less from the more mature platform(android), no?
    12-07-2014 03:46 PM
  21. Visa Declined's Avatar
    you'd expect less from the more mature platform(android), no?
    Microsoft has been making "phone" operating systems much longer than Google.
    12-07-2014 04:46 PM
  22. EBUK's Avatar
    Microsoft has been making "phone" operating systems much longer than Google.
    MS has been making the Windows operating system for over 20 years and still hasn't got it right! Just because they've been at it for so long, doesn't mean they're good at it. ;-)
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    12-07-2014 05:16 PM
  23. Ian Too's Avatar
    The general consumer doesn't understand this, and when on a 520 I moved all apps to a Class 2 SD card apps opening became much worse, the issues we're better managed with a Class 10.
    Sorry, but I have to ask: How could you be so stupid as to try a class 2 micro SD card in a Lumia?

    When they released WP8.1, Microsoft were very clear in saying that at least class 6 cards would be needed to run apps from. I remember, because I was annoyed that the card in my 620, that had served me perfectly well for music playback, was only class 4.

    I ask because I have been mislead by previous Android apologists to believe that access to the SD card on Android was open, like it was on Windows Mobile. Clearly it's more complicated, like everything else Android.

    I'm sorry, but I want a device to use, not to apologise for.
    12-07-2014 07:08 PM
  24. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Holy smokes, if you've got an Android device, World of Tanks is out and they're letting us fight against iOS players. Stop posting and go!

    12-07-2014 07:09 PM
  25. prasath1234's Avatar
    If android is so holy grail then people switched to WP from android .May be they have bad experience you cannot deny .After say 6 months all android skin behaves unusual.People switching to android only because they get apps that is it.
    From Windows phone
    12-08-2014 01:43 AM
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