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  1. tgp's Avatar
    MS has already moved some of what was unique with WP toward a more "recognizable" user experience when they released 8.1. Features like the notification center and apps with more iOS/Android-like designs (hamburger button being a good example) are becoming more of the norm. While it might help pursued some non-WP users to come to the platform it is making many current WP users upset. "If I wanted my WP to feel like an Android I would have an Android."

    But again, I see your point. If the UI were to change to be more like iOS/Android to bait people in its familiarity, once market share was solid it would be nice to see MS switch it back to a more pure WP experience. There are numerous things I can do on my WP that take less steps than my wife on her iPhone.

    But making WP another iOS/Android clone isn't the answer. WP has much larger hurdles to jump over: salespeople bias, MS / Windows reputation, media hate, etc...
    There is a reason that things we use tend to morph into similar designs, and that is that the most practical and useful forms are usually the end result of evolution. 50+ years ago almost every vehicle model looked different, and changed every year. Nowadays most cars look roughly the same. They have similar basic designs. The reason is that all automakers ended up at the same place because it's the most aerodynamic, therefore boosting economy.

    To carry that concept over to smartphones, there is no doubt that Android is the most popular. Almost 6 of every 7 smartphones sold runs Android, and that's after competing with 3 other popular platforms and several smaller miscellaneous ones. And even after saturating the market, Android continues to grow, while the others are stagnant at best.

    Shouldn't the others look at Android to see what it's doing right, and emulate it? Well, at least emulate it as much as they can without crossing patent boundaries. Android has a combination that works, and works well. It's a balance of form, functionality, and economy.
    Last edited by tgp; 12-29-2014 at 08:46 AM.
    12-29-2014 08:36 AM
  2. mark233's Avatar
    I get along quite well with my Widows Phone and my iPhone6. Have never even tried Android but I'm sure I could get along with that once I understand it. Never really got into the schoolyard debate of who has the biggest stick. Don't really care. But I do read the this thread from time to time. Usually in the morning with good coffee.
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    12-29-2014 08:38 AM
  3. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I rarely come to phone wars. I get into enough of that arguing with the HTC fanboys lmao.

    I do hate android and google personally. I can respect their innovations and development but I dislike the company.

    I respect apple a lot and i love their quality of the product and os. A great company imo.

    I was raised on Microsoft products. Office, windows, and many other things and they earned my respect and loyalty. I begin to see the alternatives as I grew up but there is nothing aside from YouTube that google can offer me.

    Google is an inferior company to me and I simply don't want anything to do with them.

    There is nothing wrong with being loyal to a company or be against a company.
    Typed on my Pikachu lumia 1520( aka the best phone) via tapatalk
    12-29-2014 08:57 AM
  4. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    The salespeople and media bias can be overcome provided some real changes take place with the OS and if Microsoft brings out some real top spec'd flagship phones without being locked into carrier restrictions.

    I know that there are many purists who really really dislike anything that resembles Android but the reality is that the various Android phones are the most popular and prevalent and most used and continue to be. If these purists truly wanted WP to take over, they are going to have to step out of their comfort zone and embrace the changes that need to be made to accomplish this. Microsoft will have to step up their game as well by competing head to head with Google on all of the carriers with phones that are just as powerful with the spec's that meet or exceed the other platforms. Low end phones to most Android users and the media doesn't elicit excitement and getting them excited is the best way to get people buying.

    The attitude towards the other platforms needs to be directed at Microsoft to step up and stop targeting the #2 and go after the # 1 head to head spec for spec.... feature for feature...That is competition and the way it's being done now is being a also-ran........

    If windows phone and Microsoft keep going to this android way of life I probably will leave the OS for good.

    I was against the rumor of android apps on windows phone.

    Nokia x with android I was against.

    I guess I am a purist. I want a windows phone 8 experience with Lumia only hardware.
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    12-29-2014 09:00 AM
  5. adkrish22290's Avatar
    Those Android and iPhone fanboys show so much ignorance and hate for WP, we are just paying them back in their own coin. Nothing wrong in that IMO.
    12-29-2014 09:14 AM
  6. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Those Android and iPhone fanboys show so much ignorance and hate for WP, we are just paying them back in their own coin. Nothing wrong in that IMO.
    Well two wrongs don't exactly make a right. We should appear a bit more classier than they do.
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    12-29-2014 09:20 AM
  7. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I'm not going to take Visa's bait, but I will respond to you, MDMcAtee, in the most polite way I can. To me, it seems that you have a distinct bias that you are unaware of. I see you posting in Android Central constantly referring to iSheeps and I also remember you coming to the defense of a poster who opined "Windows Phone: Dumb Phones for Dumb People." If you think you are somehow above the fray, I don't see it. That makes it particularly objectionable that you would come to Windows Central and berate the forum for some nebulous, undefined "hate." As they say, those in glass houses....

    Good day, sir.
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    12-29-2014 09:32 AM
  8. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    That is funny, I ask the same question, every time I see Android fanboys hurl hatred toward WP and Iphone in any tech related website.
    12-29-2014 10:03 AM
  9. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    If windows phone and Microsoft keep going to this android way of life I probably will leave the OS for good.

    I was against the rumor of android apps on windows phone.

    Nokia x with android I was against.

    I guess I am a purist. I want a windows phone 8 experience with Lumia only hardware.
    The problem with this is about how much the platform can move forward while remaining true to those like yourself who refuse to accept the needed changes to allow it to appeal to the majority of smartphone users.

    Clinging to the past won't allow the platform to appeal to the majority of smartphone users, and while some people prefer things the way they are, many people are going to look at the other platforms for their purchases.

    I am quite sure Microsoft could allow some changes to the OS and the phones if they really wanted to that could make everybody happy.

    But without changes there won't be enough excitement to convince people to switch, nor convince the media to believe in it, or convince the people who sell them to promote them as they should.

    The negative mindset against Google and Apple is a big part of the cause of the large amount of hate here, just as the closed mindedness for change.
    12-29-2014 10:05 AM
  10. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I'm not going to take Visa's bait, but I will respond to you, MDMcAtee, in the most polite way I can. To me, it seems that you have a distinct bias that you are unaware of. I see you posting in Android Central constantly referring to iSheeps and I also remember you coming to the defense of a poster who opined "Windows Phone: Dumb Phones for Dumb People." If you think you are somehow above the fray, I don't see it. That makes it particularly objectionable that you would come to Windows Central and berate the forum for some nebulous, undefined "hate." As they say, those in glass houses....

    Good day, sir.
    Yes sir and I have completely changed my view of all of this.

    My biases are no longer my driving force behind me.

    I went back and reviewed many of my posts and realized that I needed to change.

    I have been cautioned by the moderators here to be nicer and to stop fighting with people and that is exactly what I elected to do.

    I am offering up my feelings on what can make things better without fighting or name calling wherever I am at.

    Past is past and I suggest that we all move forward to try to make things better for all, and if this offends you or anyone else I do apologize.

    I have been told not to use words like isheeps or Android fanatics even in casual conversation anymore , because it may offend someone and as such trying to find a common ground elected to try and find what can help. I feel that the hatred for the other platforms which can be easily seen is part of the problem and as such is the reason for my post.

    Again if this upsets you or anyone else I do apologize for it.

    Hope you understand
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    12-29-2014 10:21 AM
  11. CSJr1's Avatar
    I'm really not sure of the rationale behind this forum. It was around before I even became a member of this site, much less a moderator. I know that CrackBerry (where I originally came from, as I had a BlackBerry from 2009-2012), AndroidCentral and iMore don't have Phone Wars forums. Just the title of the forum itself seems to lend itself toward arguments. It's not something I like to see.
    Then can I suggest that maybe this forum "Can make like a tree and get out of here". (movie joke, points for which one)

    Really, with great power comes great responsibility. (ok, I am done) Maybe a moderator/ambassador can close Phone Wars.. Not sure it is used for its intended purpose or if it should even be.
    12-29-2014 12:00 PM
  12. etad putta's Avatar
    Then can I suggest that maybe this forum "Can make like a tree and get out of here". (movie joke, points for which one)

    Really, with great power comes great responsibility. (ok, I am done) Maybe a moderator/ambassador can close Phone Wars.. Not sure it is used for its intended purpose or if it should even be.
    I feel just the opposite. The more hatred and venom we spew here the better off we are. Coming back and reading some of these posts may cause SOME of us to realize how foolish we sound. As long as it stays out of personal attack mode, let er' buck!
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    12-29-2014 12:08 PM
  13. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I'm really not sure of the rationale behind this forum. It was around before I even became a member of this site, much less a moderator. I know that CrackBerry (where I originally came from, as I had a BlackBerry from 2009-2012), AndroidCentral and iMore don't have Phone Wars forums. Just the title of the forum itself seems to lend itself toward arguments. It's not something I like to see.
    FWIW


    Actually Android Central does have a phone wars forum it's in the Android Lounge and imore has their iteration of it in their other os's forum but not called phone wars and there's a current thread going on there about which platform to choose... Micah even posted on it..
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    12-29-2014 12:44 PM
  14. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    FWIW


    Actually Android Central does have a phone wars forum it's in the Android Lounge and imore has their iteration of it in their other os's forum but not called phone wars and there's a current thread going on there about which platform to choose... Micah even posted on it..

    Thanks! I'll take a look and see what those forums are like.
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    12-29-2014 01:38 PM
  15. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I believe there is less negativity on AndroidCentral toward Microsoft than on WindowsCentral toward Google simply because Microsoft services are available on Android. If Android users want Skype and Office they've got it. However, Windows Phone users can't get Google Maps, Hangouts or any of the Google services beside search. That's the result of Microsoft's and Google's business decisions. Microsoft provided its services to other platforms but Google hasn't provided its services to Windows Phone.
    Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 via Tapatalk
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    12-29-2014 01:51 PM
  16. TonyDedrick's Avatar
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    There is nothing wrong with being loyal to a company or be against a company.
    Typed on my Pikachu lumia 1520( aka the best phone) via tapatalk
    TThere is when you (not you specifically) come off as a raging lunatic frothing at the mouth on either side. Again, I don't think it's a bad thing to have preferences and dislikes. But that's as far as it should go. Unless Microsoft is paying your bills or Google is eating your puppies. I try to save loyalty for family and friends who earn it and hate for people who deserve it. Not for companies who really have no care in the world about my existence.
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    12-29-2014 02:10 PM
  17. vineet_vpns12's Avatar
    Android is ruling the market, so google got the license to put up their chin up, and ignore rest.
    Where as windows phone though growing but still struggling, so if google doesn't provides google services to windows user ,they will be unaffected to most of the levels, whereas MS is struggling and of they dont share their app to other platforms, it gonna cost MS a lot.
    So time plays its role time to time.
    Time is of Google inc.
    Let them enjoy, u keep using Windows and windows phone.
    12-29-2014 02:11 PM
  18. tgp's Avatar
    I believe there is less negativity on AndroidCentral toward Microsoft than on WindowsCentral toward Google simply because Microsoft services are available on Android. If Android users want Skype and Office they've got it. However, Windows Phone users can't get Google Maps, Hangouts or any of the Google services beside search. That's the result of Microsoft's and Google's business decisions. Microsoft provided its services to other platforms but Google hasn't provided its services to Windows Phone.
    And to add to that, WP is less of a threat to Android than Android is to WP. We know for sure that Android is not going down anytime soon. WP, by contrast, is hanging by a proverbial thread. That being said, Microsoft can and probably will subsidize WP as needed for the time being, but it's certainly not standing on its own financially. Will Microsoft pull the plug? Probably not, but at the same time it's certainly a possibility.

    I've said before that the differences in the attitudes on the Mobile Nations forums comes down to this: iPhone users don't even know there are other platforms (exaggerated to emphasize the point), and Android users know they're not the only ones, but they don't care about them. You know, the elephant is not afraid of the mouse. WP & BlackBerry are the underdogs and must "fight" for survival.
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    12-29-2014 02:28 PM
  19. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    My biggest objection to the whole tribal thing at the core of this discussion is that it's just an exercise in silly stereotyping. Stereotyping is one of the most frequent fallacies and distractions encountered on website comment forums. In my book, it's fine to confront a "hater" and hold him or her to a standard of defensible commentary in the context of a particular post, but it is folly to try to extrapolate those behaviors to a whole forum of users.
    12-29-2014 02:59 PM
  20. Soulstream's Avatar
    And to add to that, WP is less of a threat to Android than Android is to WP. We know for sure that Android is not going down anytime soon. WP, by contrast, is hanging by a proverbial thread. That being said, Microsoft can and probably will subsidize WP as needed for the time being, but it's certainly not standing on its own financially. Will Microsoft pull the plug? Probably not, but at the same time it's certainly a possibility.

    I've said before that the differences in the attitudes on the Mobile Nations forums comes down to this: iPhone users don't even know there are other platforms (exaggerated to emphasize the point), and Android users know they're not the only ones, but they don't care about them. You know, the elephant is not afraid of the mouse. WP & BlackBerry are the underdogs and must "fight" for survival.
    I would add that Android users don't really need to care about other platforms because their own platform is so very diverse. You don't like Samsung's flavor of Android? go for HTC. Or sony. Or LG. Different yet the same.
    12-29-2014 03:34 PM
  21. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I just want to say as someone who was an avid Android user for like 3-4 years(I used Phandroid...I didn't know of AC really until after Windows Phone in 2012 when I discovered Windows Central) something interesting.

    Windows Phone users may be the most zealous when it comes to their OS compared to other Mobile Nation sites, but that is sort of natural. We're the underdogs and get treated as lesser class compared to Google. So it is natural.

    However, within the Android World, the same type of mentality exists heavily....if not worse. You have the Nexus Crowd, The Galaxy Crowd, HTC, Rooted Users, Non-Rooted Users and even within their own world they fight heavily with each other(And even worse than Lumia vs Htc/Samsung).

    So while they may not be as vocal about Anti-Microsoft(Most of them use google services primarily and are less open to others anyway so that argument is invalid)....they have their own division that is just as vocal as ours is with Microsoft vs Google. Android Users are generally far more aggressive when it comes to their android device compared to another android device...

    and don't you dare compare it to apple :D

    However on the flipside, it's also the same argument for Google fans vs windows Fans.....Reverse it. Chromebooks vs Windows. So again it is not just a Windows Central/Windows Phone thing. I'd argue and say it is less prevalent on Windows central than other sites.

    I would add that Android users don't really need to care about other platforms because their own platform is so very diverse. You don't like Samsung's flavor of Android? go for HTC. Or sony. Or LG. Different yet the same.
    My biggest objection to the whole tribal thing at the core of this discussion is that it's just an exercise in silly stereotyping. Stereotyping is one of the most frequent fallacies and distractions encountered on website comment forums. In my book, it's fine to confront a "hater" and hold him or her to a standard of defensible commentary in the context of a particular post, but it is folly to try to extrapolate those behaviors to a whole forum of users.
    Android is ruling the market, so google got the license to put up their chin up, and ignore rest.
    Where as windows phone though growing but still struggling, so if google doesn't provides google services to windows user ,they will be unaffected to most of the levels, whereas MS is struggling and of they dont share their app to other platforms, it gonna cost MS a lot.
    So time plays its role time to time.
    Time is of Google inc.
    Let them enjoy, u keep using Windows and windows phone.
    And to add to that, WP is less of a threat to Android than Android is to WP. We know for sure that Android is not going down anytime soon. WP, by contrast, is hanging by a proverbial thread. That being said, Microsoft can and probably will subsidize WP as needed for the time being, but it's certainly not standing on its own financially. Will Microsoft pull the plug? Probably not, but at the same time it's certainly a possibility.

    I've said before that the differences in the attitudes on the Mobile Nations forums comes down to this: iPhone users don't even know there are other platforms (exaggerated to emphasize the point), and Android users know they're not the only ones, but they don't care about them. You know, the elephant is not afraid of the mouse. WP & BlackBerry are the underdogs and must "fight" for survival.
    FWIW


    Actually Android Central does have a phone wars forum it's in the Android Lounge and imore has their iteration of it in their other os's forum but not called phone wars and there's a current thread going on there about which platform to choose... Micah even posted on it..
    12-29-2014 03:57 PM
  22. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    My biggest objection to the whole tribal thing at the core of this discussion is that it's just an exercise in silly stereotyping. Stereotyping is one of the most frequent fallacies and distractions encountered on website comment forums. In my book, it's fine to confront a "hater" and hold him or her to a standard of defensible commentary in the context of a particular post, but it is folly to try to extrapolate those behaviors to a whole forum of users.
    No one including myself has ever said it's the entire forum Bob that acts this way. Not once. So the core discussion is not stereotyping the entirety of the forum or it's members,but only some here whom as I stated in the beginning do this .
    12-29-2014 06:49 PM
  23. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I just want to say as someone who was an avid Android user for like 3-4 years(I used Phandroid...I didn't know of AC really until after Windows Phone in 2012 when I discovered Windows Central) something interesting.

    Windows Phone users may be the most zealous when it comes to their OS compared to other Mobile Nation sites, but that is sort of natural. We're the underdogs and get treated as lesser class compared to Google. So it is natural.

    However, within the Android World, the same type of mentality exists heavily....if not worse. You have the Nexus Crowd, The Galaxy Crowd, HTC, Rooted Users, Non-Rooted Users and even within their own world they fight heavily with each other(And even worse than Lumia vs Htc/Samsung).

    So while they may not be as vocal about Anti-Microsoft(Most of them use google services primarily and are less open to others anyway so that argument is invalid)....they have their own division that is just as vocal as ours is with Microsoft vs Google. Android Users are generally far more aggressive when it comes to their android device compared to another android device...

    and don't you dare compare it to apple :D

    However on the flipside, it's also the same argument for Google fans vs windows Fans.....Reverse it. Chromebooks vs Windows. So again it is not just a Windows Central/Windows Phone thing. I'd argue and say it is less prevalent on Windows central than other sites.
    I am sorry but your assessment is flawed IMHO.

    Sure there are divisions with the various factions of Android and while there are outspoken people within their respective ranks on the various forums, none that I have seen show the same disdain towards Microsoft as what is shown here towards Google.

    Being a "underdog " is not a free pass for some here to constantly put another platform down.

    Yes most use Google services, but many including myself use Microsoft services as well so the argument is valid in every way.

    Most Android users I know care very deeply about getting the best way of doing things with the least amount of hassle, so for Microsoft to add more services is a bonus and as such are appreciative of this.

    As to the general consensus about Apple, while many feel about the same there,things have been changing slowly since more and more people have used them switching to Android. Most who have switched have stated that they dislike the closed stance on everything and are enjoying the ease of customizing their phones. It's usually like that especially if they are going with one of the various highend phones.
    Last edited by MDMcAtee; 12-29-2014 at 07:25 PM.
    12-29-2014 07:00 PM
  24. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    No one including myself has ever said it's the entire forum Bob that acts this way. Not once. So the core discussion is not stereotyping the entirety of the forum or it's members,but only some here whom as I stated in the beginning do this .
    MD, just because you aren't accusing every WP user of the behavior doesn't mean you aren't stereotyping. Also, I wasn't just referring to your post. When people say iPhone users do this, Android users do that, and Windows Phone users do the other thing, that is by definition stereotyping, unless there are defined, proven characteristics that have been demonstrated to differentiate the groups. Anecdotal, perception-biased observations don't cut it. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying into the whole "Windows Phone users are haters" implication running through this thread. If you were to say something like "many people in tech forums hate devices they don't use and it is unfortunate because that exercise interferes with rational discussion" I would give you a thanks and a like. It's the fact that you are singling out WP people that causes the stereotype. I dunno, maybe you have made a similar thread in Android Central asking them "why all the hate" toward other platforms. I doubt it though.
    12-29-2014 10:37 PM
  25. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    MD, just because you aren't accusing every WP user of the behavior doesn't mean you aren't stereotyping. Also, I wasn't just referring to your post. When people say iPhone users do this, Android users do that, and Windows Phone users do the other thing, that is by definition stereotyping, unless there are defined, proven characteristics that have been demonstrated to differentiate the groups. Anecdotal, perception-biased observations don't cut it. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying into the whole "Windows Phone users are haters" implication running through this thread. If you were to say something like "many people in tech forums hate devices they don't use and it is unfortunate because that exercise interferes with rational discussion" I would give you a thanks and a like. It's the fact that you are singling out WP people that causes the stereotype. I dunno, maybe you have made a similar thread in Android Central asking them "why all the hate" toward other platforms. I doubt it though.
    Really... So stating some people here do this way too much is stereotyping the entire forum? Look at the post regarding here.. Come on..

    I really suggest that you take the appropriate time to go back and read what I said please.

    I understand that you feel differently than I do Bob, but please... I never thought anyone would try to make your claims about such a general description for some vocal people.

    I have no need to post this on AC since the same thing isn't as prevalent and when it does happen folks there are very quick to say something about it.

    I am sorry but it appears that you have a grudge against the other platforms and you appear to condone the doing this here..
    12-29-2014 11:01 PM
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