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  1. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I know this is the phone wars forum, but seriously.... there is just way too much hate and dislike for anything else besides Windows.

    I've seen far too many people who love to bash the competition and spread a lot of fud around here. Some of this is just wrong

    While I do appreciate a spirited discussion, I don't think it's wise to paint a false picture of the other platforms as some people around here like to do.

    Some folks don't want to even discuss the other platforms here, which is rather silly to me since that is the whole purpose of this place.

    Everyone has different experiences with all the platforms, and none of them are perfect in themselves, so it's a compromise to find the one that offers the best for each of us.

    For myself I only have a few grips about Windows phone but those few grips are keeping me on another platform. These same things are keeping many others away too, and it just isn't about the lack of applications. While I fully understand the wants for the platform to be unique I also understand that there needs to be similarities enough so that people can be comfortable with it,and allow those who want to change things to their respective choices to do so. While the way it is may be perfect for some, it's not for all.

    If Microsoft ever realizes this, and relents while maintaining all the security features people will flock to the platform in numbers unseen before and then too will the developers come.

    I'm hoping for the next release to do this but until then I will remain away and hopefully folks who are badmouthing all the other platforms will chill out some.
    12-28-2014 08:15 AM
  2. Inferati's Avatar
    I know this is the phone wars forum, but seriously.... there is just way too much hate and dislike for anything else besides Windows.

    I've seen far too many people who love to bash the competition and spread a lot of fud around here. Some of this is just wrong

    While I do appreciate a spirited discussion, I don't think it's wise to paint a false picture of the other platforms as some people around here like to do.

    Some folks don't want to even discuss the other platforms here, which is rather silly to me since that is the whole purpose of this place.

    Everyone has different experiences with all the platforms, and none of them are perfect in themselves, so it's a compromise to find the one that offers the best for each of us.

    For myself I only have a few grips about Windows phone but those few grips are keeping me on another platform. These same things are keeping many others away too, and it just isn't about the lack of applications. While I fully understand the wants for the platform to be unique I also understand that there needs to be similarities enough so that people can be comfortable with it,and allow those who want to change things to their respective choices to do so. While the way it is may be perfect for some, it's not for all.

    If Microsoft ever realizes this, and relents while maintaining all the security features people will flock to the platform in numbers unseen before and then too will the developers come.

    I'm hoping for the next release to do this but until then I will remain away and hopefully folks who are badmouthing all the other platforms will chill out some.

    Totally get what you are saying; however, there is plenty of other people on other platforms who do the same. I don't see what the difference is? People become passionate about something, they're going to defend it as if it was their child. No big deal. It's not toxic, it's just competition.
    12-28-2014 08:20 AM
  3. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Totally get what you are saying; however, there is plenty of other people on other platforms who do the same. I don't see what the difference is? People become passionate about something, they're going to defend it as if it was their child. No big deal. It's not toxic, it's just competition.
    I don't agree with the premise that it's just competition, and with some here their hatred for Google and Apple is very much toxic.

    One can be very passionate about all of this but still show respect for others too. Some here forget many of us use all of the available platforms daily.
    12-28-2014 08:38 AM
  4. EBUK's Avatar
    There are things I dislike about Windows Phone.
    There are things I dislike about Android.
    I've never owned an iPhone but when I try it out in stores, I dislike everything about it.

    There are things I like about Windows Phone.
    There are things I like about Android.
    There's nothing I've sampled in an iPhone that am particularly enamoured by.

    At the moment, there is more I like and less I dislike about WP than with Android. Therefore, I will shout louder about WP. But in a few months, it may be the other way around. I am not a fanboi, I don't hold an unwavering faith in a particular platform. I will use the system that works best for me at a particular time.

    But right now, I'm "Thinking Different" (to use that old Apple slogan that's grammatically incorrect) and using Windows Phone.
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    12-28-2014 11:06 AM
  5. oviedofreak82's Avatar
    For me, I don't hate Android I just dislike the parent company and its anti-competitive approach to supporting the Windows OS. I really like Apple just not a big fan of how it locks you down to its ecosystem and its ridiculously high prices to purchase one. To each their own; operating systems are like shoes; as soon as they become outdated, toss them out and get the latest and greatest.
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    12-28-2014 11:22 AM
  6. Inferati's Avatar
    I don't agree with the premise that it's just competition, and with some here their hatred for Google and Apple is very much toxic.

    One can be very passionate about all of this but still show respect for others too. Some here forget many of us use all of the available platforms daily.
    Right, but everyone is different. Some people have hate for everything Microsoft as well, so its not a one way streak. I get that you think its toxic, but, people who hate other platforms, they're not thinking about that hate 24/7. Besides, everything in text can be taken too seriously. I could say I hate everything that Audi makes and you'd think that i would be terrible to talk to about it. But when talked to directly i could explain to you why i hate it eloquently.

    On your second point, I do agree, but on every platform there is always the people who take it to far.

    All I'm trying to say is, this is not just a windows phone problem. Is not really a problem that can be fixed, all you can do is learn to live with it.
    12-28-2014 09:14 PM
  7. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I've seen far too many people who love to bash the competition and spread a lot of fud around here. Some of this is just wrong

    While I do appreciate a spirited discussion, I don't think it's wise to paint a false picture of the other platforms as some people around here like to do.
    You say that as if it is some peculiar tendency of WC posters only. We all know that not to be the case. Every day I read iMore and Android Central I know I'm gonna have to scroll through some badmouthing of MS/Windows/WP. Maybe you should focus your efforts on cleaning up Android Central before sauntering on over here to play forum cop. Just sayin'.
    psudotechzealot likes this.
    12-28-2014 09:29 PM
  8. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    Totally get what you are saying; however, there is plenty of other people on other platforms who do the same. I don't see what the difference is? People become passionate about something, they're going to defend it as if it was their child. No big deal. It's not toxic, it's just competition.
    Maybe toxic isn't the right word. But irrational or just plain silly to hate a company (speaking generally) that probably hasn't done anything to you personally (or could give two craps about you) to elicit such emotions. Same goes with blind, undying devotion to a company or product. Not to say I don't have products and brands I prefer over similar ones. But it stops at being a mere consumer and not some cloak wearing follower.
    fatclue_98 and Inferati like this.
    12-28-2014 09:38 PM
  9. ajb1965's Avatar
    I agree with you, and to some extent those attitudes are even displayed here amongst our own forum users (Lumia vs non Lumia devices etc.). It's the darker side of human nature. We like to argue, even start wars over trivial things.
    Guytronic likes this.
    12-28-2014 09:53 PM
  10. tangledW's Avatar
    I know this is the phone wars forum, but seriously.... there is just way too much hate and dislike for anything else besides Windows.

    I've seen far too many people who love to bash the competition and spread a lot of fud around here. Some of this is just wrong

    While I do appreciate a spirited discussion, I don't think it's wise to paint a false picture of the other platforms as some people around here like to do.

    Some folks don't want to even discuss the other platforms here, which is rather silly to me since that is the whole purpose of this place.

    Everyone has different experiences with all the platforms, and none of them are perfect in themselves, so it's a compromise to find the one that offers the best for each of us.

    For myself I only have a few grips about Windows phone but those few grips are keeping me on another platform. These same things are keeping many others away too, and it just isn't about the lack of applications. While I fully understand the wants for the platform to be unique I also understand that there needs to be similarities enough so that people can be comfortable with it,and allow those who want to change things to their respective choices to do so. While the way it is may be perfect for some, it's not for all.

    If Microsoft ever realizes this, and relents while maintaining all the security features people will flock to the platform in numbers unseen before and then too will the developers come.

    I'm hoping for the next release to do this but until then I will remain away and hopefully folks who are badmouthing all the other platforms will chill out some.
    Nah...

    Your platform (whatever it is) sucks.
    12-28-2014 10:02 PM
  11. windows94's Avatar
    I used to be an IOS guy, and then I switched to android for the features and because I became a "power user". Android was great at first and kept getting better, but you started to have to upgrade your phones all the time because android kept expanding and you needed more RAM and processing power to run it... At all... Then I switched to windows because it was cheap and ran great. I don't care for android anymore.
    12-28-2014 10:13 PM
  12. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Maybe you should focus your efforts on cleaning up Android Central before sauntering on over here to play forum cop. Just sayin'.
    I read Android Central almost every day, and I don't see them bashing Windows Phone or Microsoft constantly, over and over. Perhaps you're seeing something I'm not? Are there any recent threads over there where you see WP hate happening?
    12-28-2014 11:50 PM
  13. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I read Android Central almost every day, and I don't see them bashing Windows Phone or Microsoft constantly, over and over. Perhaps you're seeing something I'm not? Are there any recent threads over there where you see WP hate happening?
    Sure, I will PM you with my collated summary. We can order pizza and beer and match it up with MDMcAtee's documented instances of "hate." Good times.
    12-29-2014 12:53 AM
  14. sumton's Avatar
    Why should windows phone users respect apple or google did you see apple supporting windows phone by releasing apps or did you see google supporting windows phone?
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    12-29-2014 01:11 AM
  15. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'm really not sure of the rationale behind this forum. It was around before I even became a member of this site, much less a moderator. I know that CrackBerry (where I originally came from, as I had a BlackBerry from 2009-2012), AndroidCentral and iMore don't have Phone Wars forums. Just the title of the forum itself seems to lend itself toward arguments. It's not something I like to see.
    12-29-2014 01:19 AM
  16. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Sure, I will PM you with my collated summary. We can order pizza and beer and match it up with MDMcAtee's documented instances of "hate." Good times.
    So in other words, you don't have anything.
    12-29-2014 02:04 AM
  17. ShreyansShah's Avatar
    i never came here before today. i thought phone wars forum meant war between windows phones..not war betwwn OSs.
    i simply thought i love windows phone platform, what the hell use of battle between different phones as i am gonna use one of them anyway.
    12-29-2014 03:59 AM
  18. Slovenix's Avatar
    i never came here before today. i thought phone wars forum meant war between windows phones..not war betwwn OSs.
    i simply thought i love windows phone platform, what the hell use of battle between different phones as i am gonna use one of them anyway.
    It's because some of us use multiple OSs so of course we let our self criticize things. Still Love Windows Phone OS of course. :)
    12-29-2014 04:10 AM
  19. Steve Adams's Avatar
    i know this is the phone wars forum, but seriously.... There is just way too much hate and dislike for anything else besides windows.

    I've seen far too many people who love to bash the competition and spread a lot of fud around here. Some of this is just wrong

    while i do appreciate a spirited discussion, i don't think it's wise to paint a false picture of the other platforms as some people around here like to do.

    Some folks don't want to even discuss the other platforms here, which is rather silly to me since that is the whole purpose of this place.

    Everyone has different experiences with all the platforms, and none of them are perfect in themselves, so it's a compromise to find the one that offers the best for each of us.

    For myself i only have a few grips about windows phone but those few grips are keeping me on another platform. These same things are keeping many others away too, and it just isn't about the lack of applications. While i fully understand the wants for the platform to be unique i also understand that there needs to be similarities enough so that people can be comfortable with it,and allow those who want to change things to their respective choices to do so. While the way it is may be perfect for some, it's not for all.

    If microsoft ever realizes this, and relents while maintaining all the security features people will flock to the platform in numbers unseen before and then too will the developers come.

    I'm hoping for the next release to do this but until then i will remain away and hopefully folks who are badmouthing all the other platforms will chill out some.
    pot......kettle......black!
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    12-29-2014 06:47 AM
  20. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    You say that as if it is some peculiar tendency of WC posters only. We all know that not to be the case. Every day I read iMore and Android Central I know I'm gonna have to scroll through some badmouthing of MS/Windows/WP. Maybe you should focus your efforts on cleaning up Android Central before sauntering on over here to play forum cop. Just sayin'.
    Bob... I'm not trying to play cop at all. Ever since I got my first WP and after I traded out of it I have noticed the amount of vitriol against both Google and Apple here. It's almost like a bragging point for some to start a hate fest every time they move to WP platform.

    Sure there are some on the other forums that do this as well, but nothing like what happens here, and for the most part those folks are usually put in their place pretty quickly (at least on the Android forums) Generally from what I have seen most there have high hopes for WP and wish it well to succeed. The majority of people there know and understand that competition is a good thing because without it their choices are limited.

    I just find myself wondering why there is so much hatred for Google and Apple after all these other platforms gives everyone a choice.
    12-29-2014 06:49 AM
  21. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Sure, I will PM you with my collated summary. We can order pizza and beer and match it up with MDMcAtee's documented instances of "hate." Good times.
    Bob I have been overly critical of all of the platforms in the past. I am no angle by any means, however most of my criticism has been directed at the companies mistakes not just the platform.

    There is no perfect phone platform for everyone and even though I use a Android m8 doesn't mean that I hate WP....

    Would I love to see some of the same options I have with it on the WP version, absolutely. .. If that was possible I would be using the WP version today.

    My dear old Grandmother once told me when I was a child ... " a wiseman can always change his mind, but a fool never does"... It took me a while to figure that out...
    12-29-2014 06:58 AM
  22. tgp's Avatar
    I read Android Central almost every day, and I don't see them bashing Windows Phone or Microsoft constantly, over and over. Perhaps you're seeing something I'm not? Are there any recent threads over there where you see WP hate happening?
    I agree. The bashing is much more prevalent in this forum. Even the moderating is different here. But as Laura mentioned, we do have Phone Wars.
    12-29-2014 07:09 AM
  23. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    While I fully understand the wants for the platform to be unique I also understand that there needs to be similarities enough so that people can be comfortable with it,and allow those who want to change things to their respective choices to do so. While the way it is may be perfect for some, it's not for all.

    If Microsoft ever realizes this, and relents while maintaining all the security features people will flock to the platform in numbers unseen before and then too will the developers come.

    I'm hoping for the next release to do this but until then I will remain away and hopefully folks who are badmouthing all the other platforms will chill out some.
    MS has already moved some of what was unique with WP toward a more "recognizable" user experience when they released 8.1. Features like the notification center and apps with more iOS/Android-like designs (hamburger button being a good example) are becoming more of the norm. While it might help pursued some non-WP users to come to the platform it is making many current WP users upset. "If I wanted my WP to feel like an Android I would have an Android."

    But again, I see your point. If the UI were to change to be more like iOS/Android to bait people in its familiarity, once market share was solid it would be nice to see MS switch it back to a more pure WP experience. There are numerous things I can do on my WP that take less steps than my wife on her iPhone.

    But making WP another iOS/Android clone isn't the answer. WP has much larger hurdles to jump over: salespeople bias, MS / Windows reputation, media hate, etc...
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    12-29-2014 07:10 AM
  24. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    MS has already moved some of what was unique with WP toward a more "recognizable" user experience when they released 8.1. Features like the notification center and apps with more iOS/Android-like designs (hamburger button being a good example) are becoming more of the norm. While it might help pursued some non-WP users to come to the platform it is making many current WP users upset. "If I wanted my WP to feel like an Android I would have an Android."

    But again, I see your point. If the UI were to change to be more like iOS/Android to bait people in its familiarity, once market share was solid it would be nice to see MS switch it back to a more pure WP experience. There are numerous things I can do on my WP that take less steps than my wife on her iPhone.

    But making WP another iOS/Android clone isn't the answer. WP has much larger hurdles to jump over: salespeople bias, MS / Windows reputation, media hate, etc...
    The salespeople and media bias can be overcome provided some real changes take place with the OS and if Microsoft brings out some real top spec'd flagship phones without being locked into carrier restrictions.

    I know that there are many purists who really really dislike anything that resembles Android but the reality is that the various Android phones are the most popular and prevalent and most used and continue to be. If these purists truly wanted WP to take over, they are going to have to step out of their comfort zone and embrace the changes that need to be made to accomplish this. Microsoft will have to step up their game as well by competing head to head with Google on all of the carriers with phones that are just as powerful with the spec's that meet or exceed the other platforms. Low end phones to most Android users and the media doesn't elicit excitement and getting them excited is the best way to get people buying.

    The attitude towards the other platforms needs to be directed at Microsoft to step up and stop targeting the #2 and go after the # 1 head to head spec for spec.... feature for feature...That is competition and the way it's being done now is being a also-ran........
    Last edited by MDMcAtee; 12-29-2014 at 07:56 AM. Reason: I
    12-29-2014 07:53 AM
  25. Jazmac's Avatar
    My position has been that the amount of hate about this device and its development from the people here will drive me away from Windows Phone. Having said that and as was said earlier, I don't dislike android per se but its parent company. And not even the parent as much as its current leadership. That needs to change. I don't have issue with IOS which is where, if I ever left here, would find myself. I don't have any plans on leaving Windows Phone.
    MSFTisMIA and a5cent like this.
    12-29-2014 08:05 AM
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