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  1. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    I want Nokia to make a polycarbonate phone shaped similar to the 920. All of the Lumia's Microsoft makes are shaped like regular candy bar phones. It almost makes me wonder if Nokia is holding certain designs to themselves.
    Last edited by MarkusDindu; 04-21-2015 at 07:50 PM. Reason: Spelling
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    04-21-2015 02:51 PM
  2. Bartdog's Avatar
    Lumia. I'm WP all day. Was never a true Nokia fan. In fact, I waited out the Sammy ATIV hoping it would come to ATT, but it never did, so I relented and went with the 920.
    04-21-2015 02:57 PM
  3. realwarder's Avatar
    I think the real question behind all this is why... why would they want to get back into phones when they sold out of them? It's not like all the other phone companies are making buckets of money... you have companies like Xi (and Microsoft) basically giving phones away virtually at cost to grow market share and promote their services. Why would Nokia want to jump into a zero margin game? Sure they might sell a few Android phones to devoted Nokia fans, but that's not going to win any awards for numbers.

    No, I wouldn't choose a Nokia Android phone. Happy with Windows phone here.
    04-21-2015 04:00 PM
  4. fdalbor's Avatar
    The sun has long set on Nokia phones. They did not make it when they were on top; how can you expect them to make it now when they don't really exist as a smartphne producer. Nokia was my first cell phone and my first smartphone. Both were outstanding and the original (6010) still works fine. But I know when its time to quit. An its time to quit. Lets remember them for what they were; not what they have become. The end.
    Last edited by fdalbor; 04-21-2015 at 11:35 PM.
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    04-21-2015 04:34 PM
  5. aveese's Avatar
    i'll have to see if it offers better things than samsung as samsung is my first choice in android
    04-21-2015 07:33 PM
  6. DJCBS's Avatar
    I'm not sure Windows Central is the place for you to ask this and wait for unbiased answers =P Of course people here will always pick a Windows Phone over an Android. Well...99% of people here, at least.

    I think you know my answer to your question. I'm the 1% lol ;P
    04-21-2015 07:48 PM
  7. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    Definitely always Windows Phone. Nokia phones wouldn't even be the phones they were. Those are Microsoft phones now. I'm a Windows Phone fan more than Nokia. The beautiful, fast, easy-to-use OS is just too good. Android~ Not so much.
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    04-21-2015 08:20 PM
  8. L Beezy's Avatar
    The beauty of being a consumer is the fact that I can buy whatever I want. Would I get a Nokia Android phone just for the Nokia name? Nope. Would I get one if it was appealing with great specs and a good price? Yes. Why? Because I buy based on quality of device, appeal, and price point. Also, I have the freedom to buy and use whatever I want.

    Never been a fanboy of any product. They have their strengths and weaknesses. I've said this before, and I'll say it again:
    I'm just as loyal to a product/OS/company as it is loyal to me.
    ...which is saying a lot.
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    04-21-2015 09:17 PM
  9. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    So let's say Nokia returns to smartphone/tablet making. They won't run Android, they'll run Sailfish OS. Think of it this way, they don't want to make a deal with a company again, like Microsoft or Google (to install Google Play services). They'll probably start off independent and not relying on anyone. I can't blame them if they choose Sailfish, just from their website alone it looks pretty.

    https://sailfishos.org/
    04-21-2015 09:42 PM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    So let's say Nokia returns to smartphone/tablet making. They won't run Android, they'll run Sailfish OS. Think of it this way, they don't want to make a deal with a company again, like Microsoft or Google (to install Google Play services). They'll probably start off independent and not relying on anyone. I can't blame them if they choose Sailfish, just from their website alone it looks pretty.

    https://sailfishos.org/
    Would it have any apps? I cannot see it having a good app store.

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
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    04-21-2015 09:54 PM
  11. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Would it have any apps? I cannot see it having a good app store.

    Sent from my Moto X using Tapatalk
    It appears to run android apps so I am assuming it will have some degree of app store.
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    04-21-2015 09:56 PM
  12. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    According to the site, it runs Android apps.... so I think they knew that there will be a huge app problem.
    04-21-2015 09:59 PM
  13. tgp's Avatar
    It appears to run android apps so I am assuming it will have some degree of app store.
    Amazon's Fire Phone runs Android apps as well. How did that go over?

    Nokia already released an Android tablet. I see them going with a full Google Android phone.
    04-21-2015 10:11 PM
  14. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Amazon's Fire Phone runs Android apps as well. How did that go over?

    Nokia already released an Android tablet. I see them going with a full Google Android phone.
    The only difference is, Nokia helped develop the Sailfish OS, so why wouldn't they?
    04-21-2015 10:18 PM
  15. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    The only difference is, Nokia helped develop the Sailfish OS, so why wouldn't they?
    You seem to have missed that fact that they recently released a tablet that runs Lollipop. Do you really think they would turn to another OS with low market share?
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    04-21-2015 10:29 PM
  16. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    It appears to run android apps so I am assuming it will have some degree of app store.
    Last I checked. It can sideload apps, but the results are inconsistent and prone to freezing. The fact that the hardware is meh at best isn't helping them right now. As I said before. If Nokia could make a compelling piece of hardware with the features I desire at the right price. I'm game.
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    04-21-2015 10:36 PM
  17. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Did they? Last time I checked they only licenced the name to Foxconn who are the real developers of the tablet, Nokia had 0 people working on the tablet.

    The unveiling of the N1 came shortly after an announcement on 17 November 2014 by Nokia technologies head Ramzi Haidamus that the company would begin to contract the manufacturing of future Nokia products to third-party companies, to ensure a continued consumer presence for the "valuable" Nokia brand.
    But so far Sailfish OS has been winning awards at MWC and been called "The Android Alternative" by many media outlets. So perhaps they do have a chance, even then they can start off small (they did sell their whole hardware division after all.) I think Nokia is trying to be unique instead of being part of the endless sea of android devices in which it was proven that there's no profitability unless you're Samsung, or Google.
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    04-21-2015 10:39 PM
  18. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The only difference is, Nokia helped develop the Sailfish OS, so why wouldn't they?
    You seem to have missed that fact that they recently released a tablet that runs Lollipop. Do you really think they would turn to another OS with low market share?
    Last I checked. It can sideload apps, but the results are inconsistent and prone to freezing. The fact that the hardware is meh at best isn't helping them right now. As I said before. If Nokia could make a compelling piece of hardware with the features I desire at the right price. I'm game.
    SIdeloading apps only appeals to enthusiasts. The average Joe or average Jane who doesn't frequent forums such as these wouldn't have a clue about sideloading.
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    04-21-2015 10:50 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Amazon's Fire Phone runs Android apps as well. How did that go over?

    Nokia already released an Android tablet. I see them going with a full Google Android phone.
    I agree. I have non-techy family members who have Kindle Fire tablets. They just use the Amazon App Store, but they wouldn't have a clue how to install the Google Play Store on their Kindle Fire tablets. Those same people have Android smartphones, but they also don't have a clue how to sideload the Amazon App Store on their Android smartphones. They'd probably look at me like I was speaking a foreign language if I even mentioned sideloading.
    04-21-2015 10:55 PM
  20. fdalbor's Avatar
    I use Kindle Fire tablets and have a 820 and a Moto G lte. There are a ton of other app stores (1MobileMarket, MoboMarket, GetJar, and many others) that you can get Android apps from just by downloading the app for that store. Even a bozo like myself can download Android apps and never get close to Google's Play store. You only need their Play Store if you want a Google App.
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    04-21-2015 11:32 PM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I use Kindle Fire tablets and have a 820 and a Moto G lte. There are a ton of other app stores (1MobileMarket, MoboMarket, GetJar, and many others) that you can get Android apps from just by downloading the app for that store. Even a bozo like myself can download Android apps and never get close to Google's Play store. You only need their Play Store if you want a Google App.
    Just the fact that you are a member of this site means you're really an enthusiast, not 'bozo'. The relatives of mine that I'm talking about wouldn't even know how to look for any of those other sites. The particular app store that is native to their devices and preinstalled is all they know and care about. They had no interest in even checking out Mobile Nations, despite my involvement.
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    04-21-2015 11:36 PM
  22. DJCBS's Avatar
    Did they? Last time I checked they only licenced the name to Foxconn who are the real developers of the tablet, Nokia had 0 people working on the tablet.
    Except that's not true. Nokia designed the N1 both hardware and software. The N1 was designed by Axel Meyer and his team. In case you're wondering who Axel Meyer is, he's the current Head of Design at Nokia and he was also responsible for the design of the Nokia N9 (and therefore Lumia 800). Many of the team designers that were in charge of the N9 remained at Nokia, actually they didn't move to Microsoft.

    Nokia didn't license the name to Foxconn. They contracted Foxconn to build the tablet for them. Which is exactly what Microsoft does with the Xbox One, and Apple with pretty much all their products. Now, Foxconn can only produce those things under a license. Obviously otherwise it would be industrial theft.
    But Nokia had a group on the Nokia Technologies division (Nokia's new "D&S" division if you will) led by Sebastian Nystrm developing the N1, starting on the 26th of April (the day after the deal with MS closed).

    The key difference between "old" Nokia and "new" Nokia that people apparently didn't grasp is that "old" Nokia was a phone maker AND manufacturer. That second part: the manufacturing and distribution, is what Nokia no longer does and what Microsoft bought.
    So basically, now and going forward, Nokia will join the likes of Apple, Sony, Motorola etc. They design the phones inside and out and then a third party (Foxconn) builds the phones for them.


    But so far Sailfish OS has been winning awards at MWC and been called "The Android Alternative" by many media outlets. So perhaps they do have a chance, even then they can start off small (they did sell their whole hardware division after all.) I think Nokia is trying to be unique instead of being part of the endless sea of android devices in which it was proven that there's no profitability unless you're Samsung, or Google.
    If anything, Sailfish will end up turned into Nokia's Android "skin". As a separate OS it has very little future. And Nokia will not make the same mistake twice. Going with an OS with no relevance and little development (WP7) already cost them a lot once. Even if they end up buying Jolla (which I believe is a possibility) they won't be further developing Sailfish as a phone OS to compete with Google.

    By the way, the scenario on Android isn't really as Samsung-centred as that. Yes, Samsung is the biggest Android OEM but they are seeing profits decreasing while other Android OEMs that have innovated more then them these last few years have seen growth (like LG for example).
    04-22-2015 03:55 PM
  23. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Amazon's Fire Phone runs Android apps as well. How did that go over?

    Nokia already released an Android tablet. I see them going with a full Google Android phone.
    I never said it would be popular, I just said that it runs android apps ;) Do keep in mind the fire phone was a horribly overpriced phone which is a HUGE reason for its epic fail.
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    04-23-2015 12:23 AM
  24. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    By the way, the scenario on Android isn't really as Samsung-centred as that. Yes, Samsung is the biggest Android OEM but they are seeing profits decreasing while other Android OEMs that have innovated more then them these last few years have seen growth (like LG for example).
    You mean Huawei and Xiaomi? Also please post a source showing that LG is showing growth, no the stocks doesn't count since it's a mysterious and complex set of fake values to determine how much a company is "worth". I can't find it anywhere (then again all articles point to Android as a whole instead of OEMs)
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    04-23-2015 03:23 PM
  25. DJCBS's Avatar
    You mean Huawei and Xiaomi? Also please post a source showing that LG is showing growth, no the stocks doesn't count since it's a mysterious and complex set of fake values to determine how much a company is "worth". I can't find it anywhere (then again all articles point to Android as a whole instead of OEMs)
    Head over to Android Central and search there. They ran an article on it. And I'm pretty sure other tech sites that cover Android like PocketNow and Android Authority ran the story too.
    prasath1234 likes this.
    04-23-2015 09:10 PM
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