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  1. Alessandro Dut's Avatar
    You cant be serious. Actually the shutter speed in 830 is faster since you can control it. If you mean the time it takes to take a picture the iPhone is faster, as well as it focus time. But quality is better in 830 overall.

    It would say both have its pros and cons but once you put the price into the equation pretty much iPhone becomes a crap.

    iPhone 6 is more mature and they have the support from developers, if Windows Phone had better developers there would be no reason at all to get an iPhone over anything.
    05-27-2015 02:08 AM
  2. shadow118's Avatar
    The Search button was the worse of the three, but I'm pretty sure it's the very nature of the screen. You see, the Lumia 830's screen slopes gently into the frame surrounding it. It starts quite early on so it's very discreet. It looks and feels wonderful, but it has the unintended consequence of making using screen protectors ridiculous. Especially tempered glass screen protectors. They can't sit flat, and they cover a pathetically small amount of the screen. Because they're always peeling off, there's a gap of air between the glass and the Search button (and the Back button, but that wasn't QUITE as bad. It still didn't work very well, and the Home failed every now and then), which causes it to not register your taps.
    Is the problem there only when using sreen protectors? I'm not a huge fan of them, so if I get a 830 and use it without one, I would be fine?
    05-27-2015 03:37 AM
  3. grazy1982's Avatar
    there's no need for screen protectors. day to day use does not case scratches! if you drop it and it lands awkwardly, no screen protector is going to stop it shattering!

    I have had a 1020 since launch and there isn't 1 scratch on it! they are gorilla glass after all
    05-27-2015 04:40 AM
  4. Harrie-S's Avatar
    05-27-2015 05:11 AM
  5. sweatshopking's Avatar
    Yes it is. otherwise people wouldn't be buying it.

    People who are willing to buy the IPhone bearing its cost in mind are not comparing it with the 830.​​ i would at least expect them to compare it to the 930.

    It is like saying is the Mercedes S class 3 times better than a BMW 5 series. well...those two products are not even competitors.​

    We have to compare the S class with a 7 series, that's when we start to make sense.​

    OP even wants feedback comparing the 640 XL with the IPhone 6....... :S​
    These nerds are crazy. IPhone is the best phone in the world on almost every metric. Windows phones are low selling jokes, which will probably be discontinued shortly. There is no comparison. The 830 isn't good on any metric. Too expensive, low red, old slow SOC, mediocre build, etc. It was a terrible deal when it launched, and it hasn't aged well.
    05-27-2015 07:36 AM
  6. sweatshopking's Avatar
    No, you need a screen protector if you don't want scratches. All screens scratch, and anyone claiming no scratches is lying. How deep they are depends, but they all scratch.
    05-27-2015 07:37 AM
  7. Harrie-S's Avatar
    These nerds are crazy. IPhone is the best phone in the world on almost every metric. Windows phones are low selling jokes, which will probably be discontinued shortly. There is no comparison. The 830 isn't good on any metric. Too expensive, low red, old slow SOC, mediocre build, etc. It was a terrible deal when it launched, and it hasn't aged well.

    Eyeryone has the right on his or her opinion but why is it needed to call people with another opinion crazy nerds?

    Bye the way statements like " IPhone is the best phone in world " make you also sound as a nerd but then from another team.
    Last edited by Harrie-S; 05-27-2015 at 09:01 AM.
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    05-27-2015 08:04 AM
  8. x I'm tc's Avatar
    These nerds are crazy. IPhone is the best phone in the world on almost every metric. Windows phones are low selling jokes, which will probably be discontinued shortly. There is no comparison. The 830 isn't good on any metric. Too expensive, low red, old slow SOC, mediocre build, etc. It was a terrible deal when it launched, and it hasn't aged well.
    Honestly, the iPhone may well be the best phone in the world. Certainly no Windows Phone can lay claim to even being a "good" phone since the OS is so horrible, the app situation so dire, and the threat of discontinuation in the near future does, indeed, seem high.

    But ignoring for a moment the 50/50 tossup I'd give it that Windows Phones still exist in 2017, to say the iPhone is the "best phone in the world on almost every metric" is equally crazy:
    • It has very little RAM (only 1 GB compared to 3 or more in it's high-end competitors).
    • It has a low resolution screen.
    • It has poor battery life and no removable battery.
    • It lacks SD expansion.
    • It lacks working NFC.
    • It has a solid but unexceptional camera.
    • It has very questionable build quality (and downright lousy "hand feel").


    In fact, other than perhaps app quality, the iPhone is not the best phone on any metric. But the total can be greater than the sum of the parts.
    05-27-2015 08:49 AM
  9. broar94's Avatar
    Lumia 830 comes with the Snapdragon 400(Adeno 305 gfx) it will be slower than Apple iPhone 6 in gaming and will not be able to maintain high frame rate in 720p resolution. iPhone 6 will be much more advanced and can handle everything. Apps are way better and better quality than WP store, plus continuous app updates on IOS and up to date IOS versions, much more polished. I have a 730 and I know what I am talking about :) .
    Only cam quality will be better cause it has the pureview camera on the 830. If you have the budget to spend on an iPhone, go for it, you wont regret buying one. So to compare the midrange WP 830 to iPh 6 its not a nice comparison.
    05-27-2015 09:15 AM
  10. hiya15's Avatar
    I dont think little ram is going to affect Iphone , i mean its all about how OS handles its resource, for instance i ve used android phone with 2G ram and "Quad core processor" but still it lagged ,iphone 6 has very good processor and performance is butter smooth.I think its the price of all the iphones that is not justified and static UI . Lumia 830 , on other hand, is very good phone for its price ,infact better than some of the other in the same range. Ofcourse there are issues but Win OS sails smoothly inside it. Then ,in the end, it comes to - what do you actually prefer . I love tiles interface, i dont use apps like crazy, and i am getting very good camera so i am pretty good with 830.
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    05-27-2015 12:54 PM
  11. Micke Tallberg's Avatar
    The thing about iPhone and iOS is that even though it lacks in features and specs it's so well polished. Combine that with the absolute largest ecosystem support and all in all it's no wonder the iPhone/iOS experience is still so popular.

    One important matter is that due to iOS broad support there's virtually no lock-in, it's the only plattform that gives you access to Apple, MS and Google ecosystems (and of course lots of other smaller systems).

    I've been a Windows Phone user for about 2,5 years, but I'm leaving now, by going from Lumia 1020 to iPhone 5S. I'll miss the larger screen somewhat (but not the overall form factor) but that's about it. I still really like MS productivity apps, but iOS doesn't lack in that area, it's rather the prioritized platform for MS Productivity team.

    I'd say that about the only thing going for the Lumia 830 is the price tag. Sure, you could pinpoint specific things that are better with the 830, hell, for all I know they may even be in the majority. But that doesn't really matter, for the overall user experience is, for most users, simply better with the iPhone.
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    05-27-2015 01:07 PM
  12. qwertyaa's Avatar
    You have Lumia 1020 and you will miss the bigger screen size? I am still asking if i am alright, or not. I am using Lumia 1020 as you but the phone is really bulky and the screen size is uncomfortable to use with one hand. Ok. What are you doing with two hands of you could use one? I also think of buying an iPhone 5s, because of compact size. But it is too expensive to buy, especially for an old phone.

    For iPhone 6. The phone is really awful. How could Apple do a phone with this bigger screen size. 4,7 inches. This is really awful. I want a phone, not a pocket computer. I hope people not to be so ugly these days, but this is the reality.

    Using ugly words like selfie and so on.
    05-27-2015 02:03 PM
  13. Rishabh Shukla's Avatar
    That includes price too...??? Are you serious ha ha ha :D
    05-27-2015 03:13 PM
  14. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    Is the problem there only when using sreen protectors? I'm not a huge fan of them, so if I get a 830 and use it without one, I would be fine?
    I only had issues when I had a screen protector. I took it off and the issues disappeared.
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    05-27-2015 03:33 PM
  15. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    When it all comes down to it, it's a matter of opinion.
    I've used all the operating systems and I prefer Windows Phone. Of course app support is horrid but I don't need a whole bunch of apps. I don't need every gimmicky feature. What I have is a solid, slick, beautiful OS that comes with levels of customization iPhone users can only dream of. Windows Phone flows beneath my fingers and presents a smooth, dynamic experience compared to the static icons of iOS. I take pride and pleasure in the way I set up my home screen because it's set up for me, and it's the perfect mixture of productivity and personalization. Everything I need is one tap away and everything I want is a few swipes away. I've used iOS and I can't stand the restrictive, static nature of the entire operating system.
    But that's not the only reason I prefer Windows Phone. I think Lumia hardware is gorgeous. The Lumia 830 feels amazing in hand. It's warm in the hand and the eye, it's a pleasure to handle, and it gives me everything I need. Despite quite a nasty drop onto my bathroom floor the 830 remains in near perfect condition, without cracks or scratches. It's camera is amazing, and in my household I'm constantly asked to take pictures of the baby, and she has an S5.
    The iPhone feels cold, and hard, and it's completely flat back doesn't feel great in hand. It's curvy corners are mildly nicer than the sharper edges of the 830, but I just don't like the feel of the iPhone overall. It quickly feels sticky, and it feels so fragile that I feel as if I could snap it in half. I can't iOS, or iTunes, either.
    I'm perfectly content with my Lumia 830. My original plan was to buy a Lumia 1520, but my local AT&T store was sold out, so I bought this instead. And I'm happy. I'd love the camera, screen and performance of the 1520, but it's not necessary. Maybe next year I'll but the Lumia 940 (after the price falls), but until then I have a phone that works for me. It's not perfect, but--for me--it's better than the iPhone. And in the end I still saved hundreds of dollars. I can't justify spending that much money on a phone when I have everything I need, right here.
    You can go ahead and assume the iPhone is the best phone in the world. I won't deny you your opinion. But don't you dare deny us ours, either.
    05-27-2015 03:48 PM
  16. sanshiro's Avatar
    I've owned several Lumia and other WPs. Lumia 830 is easily the worst, an "Affordable Flagship" that is neither affordable nor a flagship.

    Pro:
    -microSD support
    - wireless charging
    - size, weight and form factor

    Con:
    - Slow, performance issues due to low-end processor
    - Expensive
    - Camera is no better than Lumia 920, in fact it has worse low-light performance
    - The back cover is wonky and gives way to pressure, it creaks, and goes flying if you drop the phone.
    - Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity issue
    - Prone to crashes - a nightmare of instability issues

    I see little advantage of the Lumia 830 compared to an iPhone, and plenty of disadvantages.
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    05-27-2015 04:03 PM
  17. YanivC's Avatar
    DMC I Agree 100%. Ive got the 830 (Had the 1520 too), have a surface pro 3, have a surface rt, even have a new surface 3.... Im obviously a Microsoft fan. But let's get real. How you gonna compare a 64bit processor with what the 830 currently has. Come on folks! Don't take credit away from something that deserves it.
    The iPhone 6 is a beast of a device and most probably kicks the crap out of the 830 6 ways from Sunday. And, one day hopefully soon (can anyone say 940?) we can say that Windows devices are killing iPhone, but right that's just not the case.
    Either way I love my 830 and would never trade it over the iPhone... but I wouldn't make sucha bold claim based on emotion and not fact.
    05-27-2015 04:17 PM
  18. badcat's Avatar
    Ask any manufacturer/retailer how to determine the value of a product. The value is not what it costs to produce with a little profit added on. The value is what customers are willing to pay. The iPhone sells like gangbusters at $800, while WPs struggle to sell at any price point. That, my friends, is what determines the value.

    Now, whether or not it is worth it to you is another matter, but it's hard to argue value.
    Just because someone is willing to pay it doesn't mean it's actually worth it. People pay too much for Apple stuff every day. I used to use Apple stuff until I realized I was paying more for the same hardware. Not to mention that their laptops were a nightmare to repair.
    05-27-2015 04:21 PM
  19. bo_woods's Avatar
    Just because someone is willing to pay it doesn't mean it's actually worth it. People pay too much for Apple stuff every day. I used to use Apple stuff until I realized I was paying more for the same hardware. Not to mention that their laptops were a nightmare to repair.
    I have to respectfully disagree. What people may be willing to pay for a product does contribute and is very much apart of a products value in my opinion. What a majority of people are willing to pay for a product corresponds with the device's worth IMO.
    Apple devices could very well be low cost for Apple to produce, but Apple devices are loved, high quality/have great aesthetics, and are demanded, all making people willing to spend fair amounts of money on them, which make them very valid to be priced high.
    Also it apparently wasn't easy for the iPhone 6 to be produced. I think there were reports of issues Apple had getting enough sapphire for the iPhone 6, causing the display to not be able to be made 100% sapphire, and only the home button being able to be completely sapphire. Also products can often have higher prices due to make up for all the advertising and endorsements made all the time
    ( "Apples Beats by Dre" maybe)
    Last edited by bo_woods; 05-27-2015 at 05:24 PM.
    05-27-2015 05:12 PM
  20. badcat's Avatar
    I have to respectfully disagree. What people may be willing to pay for a product does contribute and is very much apart of a products value in my opinion. What a majority of people are willing to pay for a product corresponds with the device's worth IMO.
    Apple devices could very well be low cost for Apple to produce, but Apple devices are loved, high quality/have great aesthetics, and are demanded, all making people willing to spend fair amounts of money on them, which make them very valid to be priced high.
    Also it apparently wasn't easy for the iPhone 6 to be produced. I think there were reports of issues Apple had getting enough sapphire for the iPhone 6, causing the display to not be able to be made 100% sapphire, and only the home button being able to be completely sapphire. Also products can often have higher prices due to make up for all the advertising and endorsements made all the time
    ( "Apples Beats by Dre" maybe)
    Well I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion. I don't see how you can rate products without factoring in cost. So that's it then.
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    05-27-2015 05:45 PM
  21. Impact15's Avatar
    The iPhone 6 actually only does 120fps or 240fps when shooting slow motion and 30fps or 60fps in normal mode. The 830 does not have slow motion, however it does shoot 30fps...
    The 830 has a 10MP, f/2.2, with 6 lens optics while the iPhone has an 8MP, f/2.2, with 5 lens optics, just saying...
    05-27-2015 06:41 PM
  22. yhan saints's Avatar
    iPhone 6 is purely overrated..you pay alot every release getting little improvements..or should I say "not-worth-the-price-specs"
    I've been using WP for years and it does what people need..camera wise, it definitely stands out..
    Last edited by yhan saints; 05-27-2015 at 09:21 PM.
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    05-27-2015 07:17 PM
  23. raycpl's Avatar
    The iPhone 6 actually only does 120fps or 240fps when shooting slow motion and 30fps or 60fps in normal mode. The 830 does not have slow motion, however it does shoot 30fps...
    The 830 has a 10MP, f/2.2, with 6 lens optics while the iPhone has an 8MP, f/2.2, with 5 lens optics, just saying...
    ... not to mention iP6 records video in glorious mono. LOL
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    05-27-2015 09:07 PM
  24. Motor_Mouth's Avatar
    Better software and third party support, much better design (IMO), an amazing camera, an with better support from Microsoft, I say the iPhone is the better choice. Not to mention the best of Apple's, Google's, Microsoft's, and even Blackberry's ecosystem under its plate, the iPhone is one great choice!
    I don't like the look of the iPhone 6 at all. Like most Apple products, it seems to be aimed at females. It just looks too soft to me and because it's made of metal, the first thing everyone does is put a case around it, making it too bulky. I also think iOS 8 is a dog's breakfast of a UX. I find it very unintuitive and just plain ugly to look at. It looks like an old Linux Window Manager that was trying harder to look different than to be usable. Both Android and Windows Phone are far more appealing and, because the look inevitably carries over to apps, iPhone falls behind there, too.

    Ultimately, though, I think it comes down to what you want to use it for. WinPhone has all the apps anyone will ever need but if you are someone who has to have all the latest apps the day they come out, then it won't suit you. OTOH, if you see it as a tool and you have a list of things you want it to be able to do, you'll find everything you need.

    Interestingly, one of the reasons I stick with WinPhone is because it has unique apps that I can't get on other platforms. One in particular, Weather & Surf Australia, is something I rely on every day and there is nothing that comes close to it on any other platform. I also think Audiotica is the best music player I've ever seen and, again, it is a WinPhone exclusive.

    At the end of the day, I'd say the iPhone is the emotional choice but the 830 would be the rational choice.
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    05-27-2015 09:53 PM
  25. Motor_Mouth's Avatar
    What a majority of people are willing to pay for a product corresponds with the device's worth IMO.
    Of course, where this falls down is that Apple don't have a majority in any market in which they play. Last I looked, their global market share in smart phones was only twenty-odd percent (although it has probably improved slightly this year) and I'm pretty sure their market share in tablets has also fallen below 50%. In the PC market, they remain a single digit player. I suppose mp3 player market is one but it is the rapidly shrinking exception.
    I think there were reports of issues Apple had getting enough sapphire for the iPhone 6, causing the display to not be able to be made 100% sapphire, and only the home button being able to be completely sapphire.
    AFAIK, Apple never intended to make a sapphire iPhone screen. It was just a rumour and it turned out to be for the watch.
    05-27-2015 10:00 PM
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