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  1. sweatshopking's Avatar
    I had a sub. I had a 6 hour drive today, and while it wasn't disgusting, i would have preferred a nice Madras or Vindaloo.
    05-28-2015 10:55 PM
  2. colinkiama's Avatar
    have you used win 10? have you seen the direction they're taking it? it'll improve nothing. Still no apps, and hamburgers galore.
    that's because its not even out yet *sigh*
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    05-28-2015 11:19 PM
  3. colinkiama's Avatar
    read what who said? you honestly suggesting that windows phone 10 will catch up on ANY METRIC to android or iOS? they launched android M today, and again, annually, google puts out a massive operating system overhaul that adds hundreds of features and will have huge support from basically ALL OEM's. Microsoft puts out a buggy update every 2 years that lacks many of the features of the competition and has no app support.

    there is literally nothing that windows 10 will fix vs 8.1, unless you really like hamburgers.
    Stop. All you are really complaining about is the app availability, not the os. Try another platform like android or ios and comeback here another time. There is no point in complaining. Firstly updates are made to fix bugs, software limitations, app discrepancies, app inconsistency. Also we are getting a new office suite for windows 10 mobile so yes if you read carefully you would understand that he was right.
    Last edited by colinkiama; 05-28-2015 at 11:36 PM.
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    05-28-2015 11:24 PM
  4. sweatshopking's Avatar
    Stop. All you are really complaining about is the app availability, not the os. Try another platform like android or ios and comeback here another time. There is no point in complaining
    No. there are many features that android or iOS support that WP doesn't. App availability is a problem too, but that's a separate issue.

    as for the fact win 10 hasn't launched yet, they've discussed their new design direction and stated they're not going to change it. I don't believe android/iOS porting is going to have ANY impact on app availability, and given the statements made by numerous companies, it's not going to change.

    the OS hasn't launched, but the direction suggests it'll be DOA, just like the previous launches of 7, 8, 8.1

    I don't even really use apps. I use the browser for 99% of everything. I have to. i've been with wp since launch.

    I like windows phone. I just don't see it as a viable option long term, and microsoft isn't doing anything to change that.
    05-28-2015 11:35 PM
  5. colinkiama's Avatar
    No. there are many features that android or iOS support that WP doesn't. App availability is a problem too, but that's a separate issue.
    For example?
    05-28-2015 11:36 PM
  6. sweatshopking's Avatar
    How about having an assistant that works in more than 2 countries?
    for two: Google Now on Tap: Android M finds contextual information at the push (and hold) of a button
    there is tons more, but that's what literally 10 seconds finds.

    how about payment options? wallet doesn't work AT ALL. FOR LITERALLY ANYTHING.
    nvm many apps don't work as well thanks to API limitations, and API LIMITATIONS are an OS feature problem.
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    05-28-2015 11:43 PM
  7. mase123987's Avatar
    For example?
    Apple Pay....EASY finger print reader ( love it for unlocking)

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    05-28-2015 11:51 PM
  8. MarkusDindu's Avatar
    Apple Pay....EASY finger print reader ( love it for unlocking)
    Being able to unlock my phone with my thumb on the home button is something I didn't think would mean this much to me. But it works so well, it's almost like magic. When I switch back to my old phone for nostalgia purposes sometimes, it feels truly mundane having to punch in a passcode to unlock it. It makes it feel like an antique.
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    05-29-2015 01:34 AM
  9. rdubmu's Avatar
    Microsofts apps are all available and better versions on iOS. Looking at iOS, u still get the. Best of each ecosystem including Google


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    05-29-2015 02:05 AM
  10. thepolicecall911fordetails's Avatar
    Apple Pay....EASY finger print reader ( love it for unlocking)

    Posted via the Windows Central App for Android
    Apple Pay is a great feature if you know how to use it.
    I remember waiting in line to buy something and I see a lady pulling out an iphone 6. She is looking around, all confident and states

    "No card. I am using Apple Pay."

    Then she starts tapping the nfc device once...twice... then many times.

    My sister and I quietly started laughing in the line. She still had the home screen up and kept madly tapping. She finally gave up and took out her credit card.
    Last edited by thepolicecall911fordetails; 06-28-2015 at 08:48 PM.
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    05-29-2015 02:32 AM
  11. pbdavis73's Avatar
    No it was not tempered glass. It was film.
    05-29-2015 04:47 AM
  12. pbdavis73's Avatar
    The 930 is heavier and thicker. The 830 is definitely a better looker IMO.
    05-29-2015 04:49 AM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    How about having an assistant that works in more than 2 countries?
    for two: Google Now on Tap: Android M finds contextual information at the push (and hold) of a button
    there is tons more, but that's what literally 10 seconds finds.

    how about payment options? wallet doesn't work AT ALL. FOR LITERALLY ANYTHING.
    nvm many apps don't work as well thanks to API limitations, and API LIMITATIONS are an OS feature problem.
    Cortana works in 10 countries after it's first year of release and localised for each of those countries. They could just release Cortana for every country with limited support but the user experience would not be good.

    Now on tap is a completely new feature, have to applaud google on that. Maybe try suggesting Microsoft to add it on windows 10 on uservoice or the feedback app.

    Payments are going be improved in windows 10. It's going to be like android and IOS where you don't need a secure sim. You just need to register your credit card with an app connected to wallet or wallet itself.

    And you are acting like Microsoft aren't trying to lift API limitations with windows 10. Look at the BUILD 2015 Windows 10 mobile presentation of you don't believe me. What I find funny is that some app developers are just lazy or too slow. Windows phone 8.1 gave the developers the file picker API for uploading and downloading files and VoIP is in the OS too yet whatsapp calling and sending songs on whatsapp still isn't possible on Windows Phone. As I said before, complaining here won't achieve anything, if you really want windows phone to be viable in the long term, give feedback to Microsoft.
    EDIT: http://wmpoweruser.com/whatsapp-beta...-call-feature/ looks like whatsapp calls are going to be out soon.
    Last edited by colinkiama; 05-29-2015 at 05:50 AM.
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    05-29-2015 04:53 AM
  14. hotphil's Avatar
    For example?
    Even just laying aside app availability, the list is massive. To get us started, off the top of my head:
    Gapless playback in native music app.
    Fingerprint locking
    Worldwide launches of devices/features
    Multitasking
    Side-loading/multiple Stores
    USB OTG
    Wi-Fi Direct
    Voice assistants available internationally
    Availability of companion wearable tech

    The problem with drinking the "Windows 10 will fix all that" Kool Aid is that Microsoft used that line before. On 8.1. And on 8. And on 7. And on 6.5.... you get the picture.
    05-29-2015 05:31 AM
  15. colinkiama's Avatar
    Even just laying aside app availability, the list is massive. To get us started, off the top of my head:
    Gapless playback in native music app.
    Fingerprint locking
    Worldwide launches of devices/features
    Multitasking
    Side-loading/multiple Stores
    USB OTG
    Wi-Fi Direct
    Voice assistants available internationally
    Availability of companion wearable tech

    The problem with drinking the "Windows 10 will fix all that" Kool Aid is that Microsoft used that line before. On 8.1. And on 8. And on 7. And on 6.5.... you get the picture.
    But windows 10 actually brings most of these features. Voice assistants available internationally, worldwide launches of products and services and availability of wearables aren't magically sorted out after an OS update though. But the other features are definitely coming to windows 10. Microsoft did videos and presentations on these things, they are actually coming.
    http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/3-773
    http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/2-639
    http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2015/2-639
    Last edited by colinkiama; 05-29-2015 at 05:59 AM.
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    05-29-2015 05:47 AM
  16. Micke Tallberg's Avatar
    For me NO phone has ever cut the mustard. but it is quite simple an iPhone at 540 vs a Lumia 830 at 250 is a no brainer. Because for less money I get more!!! Wireless charging, FM Radio, A far better user interface. What does the iPhone give me more apps! that's it. With windows 10 I think the app gap will be closed by Christmas and my definition of closed is when I see an advert for a new app I will expect it to have three icons and not just two
    There's no way that the app gap will be closed by Christmas this year. We might see Win 10 for phones in October, but that's doubful, and most developers are likely going to wait to see if the platform will take off before deciding to go for a Windows app.

    Add to that that Win 10 for phones really doesn't add that much value. There's really nothing that will make people go "wow", it's still very much Windows Phone, you know the OS that most people have not learned to love during the last 3-4 years. If you like Windows Phone, fine, then you'll probably buy a new Windows phone. If not, well then you'll most likely end up looking at Android or iOS.
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    05-29-2015 06:07 AM
  17. Harrie-S's Avatar
    There's no way that the app gap will be closed by Christmas this year. We might see Win 10 for phones in October, but that's doubful, and most developers are likely going to wait to see if the platform will take off before deciding to go for a Windows app.

    Add to that that Win 10 for phones really doesn't add that much value. There's really nothing that will make people go "wow", it's still very much Windows Phone, you know the OS that most people have not learned to love during the last 3-4 years. If you like Windows Phone, fine, then you'll probably buy a new Windows phone. If not, well then you'll most likely end up looking at Android or iOS.
    Indeed with the W10 introduction the app gap will not magically disappear.
    And nobody stated that end of this year the gap would be gone. (I am even not convinced if "every one" will have W10 end of the year.)
    And in W10 it will be easier to make apps or at least will not make it more difficult.

    The introduction of many low (mid) end phones seams to work because they are bought so that at least is good.

    And for the rest we have to see the only thing I can say is that W10 is coming.
    And will have some features which android and or IPhone already (long) have and hopefully some wow features.
    But I also do not belief that the W10 introduction will "convert" suddenly huge numbers of android and iPhone owners but the goal of Microsoft is (i hope) that there will be steady on more and more converts.
    Last edited by Harrie-S; 05-29-2015 at 06:50 AM.
    05-29-2015 06:33 AM
  18. nemov888's Avatar
    I have to agree... Lumia 830 would be my perfect phone if only they had put a faster processor inside! I have the 735 (same processor) and it is soooo slow sometimes. Fine for most things but for camera especially, the delay is too much. iPhone is superior at the moment and I am waiting with my cash to buy the new 940......just hope they release the bloody thing soon! :)
    05-29-2015 06:46 AM
  19. hotphil's Avatar
    Microsoft did videos and presentations on these things, they are actually coming.
    I'd like to think they are coming. But the thing is, I can go out and buy all those things. Today, not 2016 Q1, today. Just not from Microsoft.
    And I still get (arguably better) access to all MS services. So Windows 10 is already irrelevant.
    ​I'd love to proved wrong and have MS launch a plethora of Hello and Continuum equipped high-end devices with Cortana and all other features worldwide in the next month or two. But it ain't gonna happen. Anyone thinking it will is going to be disappointed.
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    05-29-2015 07:07 AM
  20. colinkiama's Avatar
    I'd like to think they are coming. But the thing is, I can go out and buy all those things. Today, not 2016 Q1, today. Just not from Microsoft.
    And I still get (arguably better) access to all MS services. So Windows 10 is already irrelevant.
    ​I'd love to proved wrong and have MS launch a plethora of Hello and Continuum equipped high-end devices with Cortana and all other features worldwide in the next month or two. But it ain't gonna happen. Anyone thinking it will is going to be disappointed.
    Then go buy the other things and use them till windows 10 comes out. You would have all the MS services, all the features you wanted and all the apps too. Think of it as a vacation from windows phone. When you have 3 years of catching up to do, it takes time.
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    05-29-2015 08:25 AM
  21. realwarder's Avatar
    I'd like to think they are coming. But the thing is, I can go out and buy all those things. Today, not 2016 Q1, today. Just not from Microsoft.
    And I still get (arguably better) access to all MS services. So Windows 10 is already irrelevant.
    ​I'd love to proved wrong and have MS launch a plethora of Hello and Continuum equipped high-end devices with Cortana and all other features worldwide in the next month or two. But it ain't gonna happen. Anyone thinking it will is going to be disappointed.
    You make good points. Except miss one. People often don't like Google or Apple for reasons of principle. Whether that's the fact that you are the product to Google and they mine all your data, forcing use of Google+ etc. and have poor security, or Apple where users are pretentious and love getting ripped off.

    I think Apple makes great products that 'just work', and are technically very good. Not cutting edge, but what is needed. An impressive feat. But also way overpriced.

    Google based (Android) products have terrible security. Almost every phone on the market has vulnerabilities on it because there is no centralized OS update mechanism. Today I would never feel secure browsing the web or installing third party apps that something wasn't going to start spying on me. And that is outside Google already doing that with any data in their systems.

    Microsoft is the third place platform, but I feel it's the best value and I have the highest trust in it. Currently.

    Since I'm ok with only having around 200 apps on my phone with plenty of tools and games (of which I daily use about 8), Windows Mobile supports me well and keeps my data safe, all for a great price.
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    05-29-2015 08:41 AM
  22. sweatshopking's Avatar
    But windows 10 actually brings most of these features. Voice assistants available internationally, worldwide launches of products and services and availability of wearables aren't magically sorted out after an OS update though. But the other features are definitely coming to windows 10. Microsoft did videos and presentations on these things, they are actually coming.
    New Retail Peripherals and NFC/HCE Support in Windows 10 | Build 2015 | Channel 9
    Microsoft Passport and Windows Hello: Moving Beyond Passwords and Credential Theft | Build 2015 | Channel 9
    Microsoft Passport and Windows Hello: Moving Beyond Passwords and Credential Theft | Build 2015 | Channel 9
    and by the time win 10 comes out, google and apple will have added another long list of things that windows lacks and they'll constantly be trying to catch up. if you don't mind having fewer apps, features, and functionality, fine.
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    05-29-2015 10:14 AM
  23. salazka's Avatar
    Are you arguing which is cheaper, which is better value for money, or which is the better phone?

    All 3 are different things.
    The better phone is iPhone 6 hands down. It is ridiculous to even argue that.
    Cheaper phone is 830.
    Value for money one can say neck and neck considering the additional value from app library, screen, production quality, camera factors. I would say 830 is a bit higher since the price gap is huge. L830 can be had for approx. 250 without contract on amazon.
    05-29-2015 11:15 AM
  24. colinkiama's Avatar
    iPhones are best for the majority of people. Easy to use, ecosystem is already there. The OS just works with little problems. Despite it seeming like a ripoff with there being less features than android, the features that exist function well.
    05-29-2015 01:34 PM
  25. colinkiama's Avatar
    and by the time win 10 comes out, google and apple will have added another long list of things that windows lacks and they'll constantly be trying to catch up. if you don't mind having fewer apps, features, and functionality, fine.
    From the recent leaks and talks about google and apple, they seem to be focusing more on IoT, with few big features being added to the phone OS. After 10, there are going to be lots of little update since Microsoft will have more control over the update process. If any features are added in android or IOS, Microsoft can catch up, quickly next time and even has chances to even surpass the others in some places
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    05-29-2015 01:46 PM
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