02-19-2016 02:31 AM
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  1. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    WP is good for casual users those who just do texts ,calls and emails ....like myself....
    I am currently using Lumia 1320, Lumia 625, iPhone 5s and galaxy s4
    Lumia is better for normal using
    But apps and games selection is much more better on ios and Android

    Those who want to get wp experience despite knowing app gap they should try lower and mid range Lumia..
    But for Lumia flagship.....big NO

    Android flagships are much better than Microsoft Lumia.....

    But If you want to switch android then you should go for Nexus series.
    But isn't that what a 'phone' is for?' Like you, I call, text, mail and browse a bit. Games have never been my thing, especially on a small screen, banking on a phone has never been my thing. I'm not a habitual Facebooker or twitter user. I own a small company and every device we issue is a windows device. 1) Because they are pretty reliable, 2) my drivers aren't likely to get hit over the head, like If they had an apple or shiny galaxy on the cabs, 3) they are reasonable priced. 100 each for my 640's, 100 for both 550's, 60 on amazon for my 1320 and the same for a blu win hd LTE. I have basically, when you add my 950 and 950 xl to the party, equipped my firm with capable, reliable devices for just under 2k. I'd get three iPhone 6's for that.

    It's not about OUR opinion, with regards to what you go with, buy what is best for you. I've had all three OS's and this is the one for my business, and personal use. Every device is laid out identically, including some games for the drivers whilst they are out and about. They love them. They like the ease of use, the way that info is at hand. That's just my experience. Everything integrates nicely.

    What you choose is erm... Your choice. Best of luck whatever path you take
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    02-15-2016 12:00 PM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    May I ask, a few questions?

    What is the additional information that widgets provide that you say Live Tiles do not provide?

    Do you happen to know how many Widgets are allowed to be active at the same time and how often they are updated?

    When you say widgets are animated, do you mean they cycle/repeat or that they have a live video feed?

    One last question, when you say "don't have to wait for information... like a Live Tile to scroll", do you really mean flip?

    Thank you in advance for any answers you provide.

    Best wishes

    Posted using Windows Central app for Windows Phone.
    I'm not saying one is better than the other I'm just saying what I personally prefer. Let's be clear with that because I can tell by your questions it could start the whole 'battle' nonsense. I used a Windows Phone so I'm not some Android fanboy.

    To answer your questions.

    Widgets come in different sizes so it's dependant on that. I personally don't use that many just the ones I need/like. You can have more screens with more widgets if you want.

    I'm not a fan of the flip or the scroll on a live tile. I've seen some with scrolling. Also some are dead tiles... When I used to use WP sometimes the data wasn't updated frequently. Widgets tend to be consistently up to date.

    My weather widget is animated, showing different weather conditions.

    My music widget has full functionality on it including a stop button.

    Each widget is unique like live tiles.
    Last edited by N_LaRUE; 02-15-2016 at 04:24 PM.
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    02-15-2016 12:14 PM
  3. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    When i used to use WP sometimes the data was updated frequently. Widgets tend to be consistently up to date.
    And this is actually by design. Live tiles,under windows, have a frequency they can update mandated so they do not drain battery life or consume too much data. With android these things are left for the particular developer to consider, or as is usually the case not consider. The over active widget usually cannot be tracked and falls into the dreaded "Android System" catagory where you get to play guessing games when trying to resolve a fast draining battery issue.
    02-15-2016 01:54 PM
  4. nausky's Avatar
    And this is actually by design. Live tiles,under windows, have a frequency they can update mandated so they do not drain battery life or consume too much data. With android these things are left for the particular developer to consider, or as is usually the case not consider. The over active widget usually cannot be tracked and falls into the dreaded "Android System" catagory where you get to play guessing games when trying to resolve a fast draining battery issue.
    I have personally never had widget that needed to update status information work reliably. Weather widgets to email to Fitbit--all needed a manual refresh half the time and were therefore pointless. I've had several Android phones from Gingerbread to Lollipop and it's just always been that way. 8.1 tiles were pretty unreliable too, but I find the actual w10 apps to have rocksolid tile updates. Never need to open my email or calendar apps. Legacy apps are still broken.

    Widgets with concrete functions were nice, like my old IR blaster to replace remotes, flashlight or music controls, but I prefer the way that's baked into the UI on w10. Flashlight in action center, music controls on volume up, RIP IR blasters. ☺
    02-15-2016 02:17 PM
  5. robert peake's Avatar
    im having exactly the same dilema as the OP. had windows from way back, had a few issues about 4 years ago and went to the s3mini then s4 mini and then back to the 530/735/650 and now the 950. And i want to like it so much. for me i like the look of the 6s, but the closed system and no sd card. I like the s6 and just recently got rid of my Linx 10 and bought a Asus 8 inch tablet and im loving it, its fluid, loads of apps etc and they all work lol. my 950 basically has everything shut down in the background manual sync of mails just to keep the battery good. for me, its battery, camera and sd card.
    i still havent made my mind up on what to do, i want the 950 to work, i like it as you dont see many of them, its all samsung and iphones, the camera is great on the 950 and i like the operating system, i think its superb. managed to convert my wife to windows with a 640 and my daughter has the 550. if my eldest has a issue with the 6s then i struggle to work it with itunes etc.
    02-15-2016 06:55 PM
  6. mariusmuntean's Avatar
    I am wondering, what am I losing if I decide to switch?
    Maybe the great Zeiss camera, but besides that, I don't see many things...

    Are there some of you who are following the leaks on the Galaxy S7 and are considering switching to the Galaxy S7 when it will be released, or even to another Android phone? If so, what are your reasons? Do you agree or disagree with me on the reasons I have cited?

    Sorry for the long message, but I wanted to be thorough on my experience. :-)
    You won't lose anything, you will gain a decent OS, decent apps, event Ms's apps and services look and work better, and a phone with much less issues than the 950s.
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    02-16-2016 01:58 AM
  7. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    You won't lose anything, you will gain a decent OS,
    That's subjective.
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    02-16-2016 02:45 AM
  8. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Widgets with concrete functions were nice, like my old IR blaster to replace remotes, flashlight or music controls, but I prefer the way that's baked into the UI on w10. Flashlight in action center, music controls on volume up, RIP IR blasters. ☺
    That's the same in Android. Flashlight, music controls, etc in the notifications area. Also actionable notifications is nice.
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    02-16-2016 02:53 AM
  9. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    And this is actually by design. Live tiles,under windows, have a frequency they can update mandated so they do not drain battery life or consume too much data. With android these things are left for the particular developer to consider, or as is usually the case not consider. The over active widget usually cannot be tracked and falls into the dreaded "Android System" catagory where you get to play guessing games when trying to resolve a fast draining battery issue.
    Um, Android 6.0 now has functions to control background process. It's called Doze. This helps extend battery life if you require that.

    Going by some recent articles however it would seem some apps (mainly Facebook) is a big culprit for battery drain for both iOS and Android. I'm at the point of uninstalling it as I'd like my 10 - 15% battery life back... not that I have many issues with battery life on my Z3 though.

    Lastly, yes I know that the design of the Live Tile was to keep them in active to conserve battery. Saying that, WP was never a great phone with battery life, it's about average. From what I've heard W10 has improved things a lot but apparently it's a hit and miss for some people.

    Unlike my L920 which would drain battery with just the thought of turning on GPS, my Z3 has been fantastic. I don't turn off GPS ever and I can go for two day on one charge if I'm not doing anything intensive. I don't stress about battery as much as I did with the L920. I didn't have a good L920 experience I had a bit of a lemon so I'll admit that my personal experience wasn't that great overall.

    I am still curious of where W10 is heading and what will come. I'm not a fan enough to just jump back in without having what I have now. So I'll keep an eye on it. But at this stage I cannot return to WP. I'd feel I was missing too much.
    02-16-2016 03:02 AM
  10. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Sounds like you had a lemon battery on your L920. All of my windows phones have been able to go two days minimum. From the mighty 1520 down to the tiny 435 l've averaged two days. Maybe two of my android devices have ever lasted that long.

    Doze only helps with apps Andripd identifies. The majority of widgets still show as Android System which you cannot sleep. All doze is is a rip off of apps like greenify that have already been around.
    02-16-2016 04:17 AM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Sounds like you had a lemon battery on your L920. All of my windows phones have been able to go two days minimum. From the mighty 1520 down to the tiny 435 l've averaged two days. Maybe two of my android devices have ever lasted that long.

    Doze only helps with apps Andripd identifies. The majority of widgets still show as Android System which you cannot sleep. All doze is is a rip off of apps like greenify that have already been around.
    My Z3 also has it's own proprietary system for longevity of the battery. I don't use many updating widgets so it's a non issue for me really. Batteries on smartphones are still the one thing that needs to be improved. Also the main drain on any smartphone is the screen so either the battery improves or the screen becomes less power hungry or both.

    My L920 is/was a lemon in the real sense. I had nothing but issues with it and unfortunately I wasn't able to replace it. I know some people had wonderful experiences with their phones unfortunately mine was painful after the first few months. Every update required a hard reset. My camera took dodgy pictures. My battery lasted barely 4 hours and I had the whole thing turning into a mini stove top from time to time. It just got too much.

    Again I'm not out to compare just saying what works for me. I have no issues with Android or WM. Just Android suits 'me' better for what I want at this point in time. I'd have no issues returning to WM when/if it becomes viable for me.
    02-16-2016 07:02 AM
  12. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Not surprising really. I have alot of respect for Sony's engineering acumen. If anyone could manage a stable battery life with android it's Sony. I wish people on the low end had access to great engineering under android.
    02-16-2016 07:50 AM
  13. captaincalamity's Avatar
    Best Battery life i ever had on Android was with the Z3 Compact, the thing lasted for ever, much more than my Z3 loaded with the same apps/sync etc..and the Z3 lasted 2 days, I could get 3 days out of the z3c amazing device, same load on the s5 was just over a day, s6 was about 8 hours same as my Lumia 930, Iphone 6, iphone 5s.
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    02-16-2016 10:08 AM
  14. Lundon44's Avatar
    Funny coming across this thread because for the first time in.. 8 yrs I'm actually thinking of seriously switching to another OS other than Windows Mobile. I've been very faithful (and patient when it comes to WM). For the most part I've been a proud owner but since my last handset change from my 1520 to the 950XL I have to admit the upgrade didn't feel that satisfying. Like many others, I've been plagued by bugs and reboots. Having to perform hard resets on every OS update also isn't ideal. While I understand no phone is perfect, I feel that WP is currently the furthest away from that. I've never ever seriously considered another OS until recently. While I have all the important apps I need for my day to day needs I can't deny that most of these apps aren't polished, lack features available on other OS', or just don't work as well as I would expect them to. And as a WP user I'm actually starting to imagine a world where I could actually download the apps I want rather than searching for semi-decent 3rd party alternatives. When someone recommends an app to me I already know there's an 80% chance it won't be available in my app store. Then I end up justifying to myself why I don't need to try the app anyway.

    I plan to hold onto my 950XL until the Surface Phone officially releases. My hopes are high for this phone but it will take more than just specs to win me over this time. Having a powerful device means nothing if you don't have the right software to drive it. Meaning it would be nice to see a more polished Windows 10 by then, and possibly even more developers on board and porting apps over. Unlike the OP I may actually consider the next Galaxy Note this time around. The thought of a fully developed app store, a stylus that is more than a gimmick and a vibrant screen are very enticing. I hope batter life is comparable to what I'm used to. Even though my 950XL's battery is really not as good as my 1520's was. I do know there's a likely chance I'll be sacrificing one the best cameras on the market but that shouldn't be the only reason for me to hold onto my 950XL. Which at this point, it probably is one of the only reasons. Anyway, only time will tell. My hopes are that MS' next flagship is worthy enough to keep me loyal customer because 7 yrs of defending Windows Phone is exhausting.
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    02-16-2016 03:46 PM
  15. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Lundon44,

    In my opinion there really is not a "performance" upgrade out there right now over your 1520 on 8.1 much less your 950XL on W10M. If you go with the Nexus line you will get Marshmallow which is a new OS it's self and also pretty rough and sooer than later that update well will go dry. If you go iOS you will get the apps and a nice experience but with all the trappings of the walled ecosystem.

    With both Android and iOS you will need to be prepared for something you have not run into with Windows and that is apps will not be sand boxed and can break your phone. For instance, just this last week Adobe's Creative Cloud Updater started deleting the first file/folder it found in the root directory, so many people had to do resets to get their phones working again. Yes, often apps in these Unix based systems have root access. You have to worry about both malware and simple bad code. It's not all bad or good, it's just another thing.
    02-16-2016 04:39 PM
  16. Lundon44's Avatar
    Lundon44,

    In my opinion there really is not a "performance" upgrade out there right now over your 1520 on 8.1 much less your 950XL on W10M. If you go with the Nexus line you will get Marshmallow which is a new OS it's self and also pretty rough and sooer than later that update well will go dry. If you go iOS you will get the apps and a nice experience but with all the trappings of the walled ecosystem.

    With both Android and iOS you will need to be prepared for something you have not run into with Windows and that is apps will not be sand boxed and can break your phone. For instance, just this last week Adobe's Creative Cloud Updater started deleting the first file/folder it found in the root directory, so many people had to do resets to get their phones working again. Yes, often apps in these Unix based systems have root access. You have to worry about both malware and simple bad code. It's not all bad or good, it's just another thing.
    I appreciate that info as these are things I'm sure most droid users won't admit to. My girlfriend for example has a GS5. She tries to boast whenever possible about how inferior my phone is when I can't find an app she can get, or when she sees my phone reboot randomly (yes, this still happens semi-regularly for me). But I do also see the moments where her phone acts and drives her nuts. Build quality is also a little more questionable. Then again I'm not an avid phone dropper whereas she is. She's replaced her phone screen quite a few times from drops where as mine feels a little more sturdy.
    02-16-2016 05:14 PM
  17. wolfpack219's Avatar
    Suprised at all the problems that people are experiencing on W10M. I have it running on a Lumia 735 and it runs rather well. I have experienced an occasional reboot or edge page not loading, but this instances are few and far between. The app gap is present but I knew that when I got involved with W10M and since more have become available though not always the best quality. I think an improvement would be making sure what limited apps are in the windows store are of high quality would help. I use the web pages pinned to my home in replacement of some apps and it satisfies me. I think we will see more apps as they are made for millions of w10 users in the future and with the iOS app project. Also battery life is fantastic on the Lumia 735.

    That being said I hope Lumia goes away and other manufacturer's make windows phone. HTC, Samsung, or Motorola would be cool. I have no issues with Microsoft manufacturing phones but I agree with the strategy of them being software focused and on devices.
    02-16-2016 05:56 PM
  18. chmun77's Avatar
    Just as you have a right to your opinion please respect mine and others who do not agree having only two choices is acceptable. I have used android from the start, it has always been disappointing. iOS is great and all but is not an acceptable choice for many because of cost and the closed system. So if I cannot afford an iOS device (and I surely cannot) why do you seek begrudge me the option of using windows mobile? Why do you feel because YOU like android it's legitimate for it to be MY ONLY CHOICE? I ask because that is what your doing when you jump on the hater bandwagon proclaiming it's dead or should be. You and those on your bandwagon discourage developers who may give us a bone. Or do you just feel lower income people do not have a right to an opinion or choice.

    "How can WP shines when the world are happy with Android and iOS?" - No, YOU are happy with android and iOS. Many of US are not, and to us WP already shines.
    Whoa.... Please enlighten me in what way did I disrespect your choice and others?? I just speaking with my own experiences with windows phone for the past years since WP7 till now. You can continue to support Windows phone for all you want because that's your money, not mine. And when did I said that Android is your only choice?? I stated examples from both IP6s and Note 4, so I guess you can go with either of the platforms as well. Please don't put words into my mouth.

    I'm not discouraging developers. Is the developers / companies themselves who are not even giving a hoot about this platform. I do purchase apps on windows phone as well. But how often apps are updated? I see Facebook and Messenger, Whatsapp, etc being updated weekly on iOS and Android for bug fixes etc. Windows phones? When was the last update for Facebook messenger? We are not here to hate this platform but it is what this platform which make us to hate it.

    And no, I'm not the only one who is happy with Android and iOS. The market speaks for itself. WP sales dropped, badly while Android and iOS are still dominating the market. Just Google yourself, lots of references out there.

    You may disagree, but please do not make it personal. Furthermore, this is Phone Wars forum. Everyone has their rights to speak up for the platform they like. Again, is not about YOU, but opinions of themselves.
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    02-16-2016 06:46 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Lundon44,

    In my opinion there really is not a "performance" upgrade out there right now over your 1520 on 8.1 much less your 950XL on W10M. If you go with the Nexus line you will get Marshmallow which is a new OS it's self and also pretty rough and sooer than later that update well will go dry. If you go iOS you will get the apps and a nice experience but with all the trappings of the walled ecosystem.

    With both Android and iOS you will need to be prepared for something you have not run into with Windows and that is apps will not be sand boxed and can break your phone. For instance, just this last week Adobe's Creative Cloud Updater started deleting the first file/folder it found in the root directory, so many people had to do resets to get their phones working again. Yes, often apps in these Unix based systems have root access. You have to worry about both malware and simple bad code. It's not all bad or good, it's just another thing.
    There is nothing rough about Marshmallow. It runs flawlessly on my 2013 Nexus 7 and on my Moto X Pure Edition. Lollipop was a different story in some of the early builds.
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    02-16-2016 08:16 PM
  20. ScrubbyXD's Avatar
    Maybe I've just run into some lemons then. Among the the bugs I've personally recreated: 6p screen freezing with reboot, 5x random reboots, home screen transitions taking as much as 3 seconds, music playback out of ear speaker instead of loudspeaker.
    02-16-2016 08:29 PM
  21. libra89's Avatar
    Maybe I've just run into some lemons then. Among the the bugs I've personally recreated: 6p screen freezing with reboot, 5x random reboots, home screen transitions taking as much as 3 seconds, music playback out of ear speaker instead of loudspeaker.
    I have a 5x and it has never randomly rebooted on me as much as my old 435 did. Actually, it hasn't done it at all. I don't understand the "well run dry comment" because didn't the previous Nexus phones also get Marshmallow?

    Also, let's not act like all WP 8.0 phones got 8.1, even the ones that are Lumias.
    02-16-2016 09:30 PM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Maybe I've just run into some lemons then. Among the the bugs I've personally recreated: 6p screen freezing with reboot, 5x random reboots, home screen transitions taking as much as 3 seconds, music playback out of ear speaker instead of loudspeaker.
    Those sound like serious lemons to me. 😞 My Nexus 7 is much older and has lower specs than those devices but doesn't have those problems. I'd suggest sending your devices back for warranty replacement or repair.
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    02-16-2016 09:33 PM
  23. Iain_S's Avatar
    If the S6 Edge is anything to go by, I would never buy another Samsung phone again, completely disappointing and a severe let down for a flagship device, maybe 2017 it will get marshmallow.
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    02-16-2016 09:34 PM
  24. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I have a 5x and it has never randomly rebooted on me as much as my old 435 did. Actually, it hasn't done it at all. I don't understand the "well run dry comment" because didn't the previous Nexus phones also get Marshmallow?

    Also, let's not act like all WP 8.0 phones got 8.1, even the ones that are Lumias.
    Nexus 5 and 6 phones got Marshmallow. Older Nexus phones didn't, but the Nexus line is supported for at least 2 years.
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    02-16-2016 09:37 PM
  25. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    If the S6 Edge is anything to go by, I would never buy another Samsung phone again, completely disappointing and a severe let down for a flagship device, maybe 2017 it will get marshmallow.
    Samsung devices tend to get updates much slower than Nexi, Moto, LG. The S6 Marshmallow update has just started rolling out, and not many carriers have released it yet.
    N_LaRUE likes this.
    02-16-2016 09:40 PM
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