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  1. editguy's Avatar
    I'm intrigued. Oh, and now you have that Styx song stuck in my head for the rest of the night.
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    04-18-2017 12:40 AM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Here's what I wonder - if sailfish can community open source writing drivers, such that this OS can run on a dozen phones....why can't windows do that?

    Looks like a nice UI design sailfish. I wonder how it actually does at running android apps without play services...
    WP and W10M sandboxing prevent heavy modifications for the most part. Although Interop Unlock and Interop Tools have help tremendously.

    The second part is a good question... They used to have Alien Dalvik on the original Jolla Phones. Not sure yet what they've done to update that. Obviously, Android is no longer using Dalvik and have moved to ART. Not having Google Play Services would not likely bother me overly much if I can retain all my Microsoft Services...
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    04-18-2017 05:42 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Sorry, couldn't help myself...

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    04-18-2017 09:24 AM
  4. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Back to the OP...

    This would be awesome to try out on my Z3 when the ROM becomes available.
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    04-18-2017 09:25 AM
  5. Drael646464's Avatar
    WP and W10M sandboxing prevent heavy modifications for the most part. Although Interop Unlock and Interop Tools have help tremendously.

    The second part is a good question... They used to have Alien Dalvik on the original Jolla Phones. Not sure yet what they've done to update that. Obviously, Android is no longer using Dalvik and have moved to ART. Not having Google Play Services would not likely bother me overly much if I can retain all my Microsoft Services...
    Sadly, almost all apps these days require it. Google have encouraged people to check for play services as a "piracy protection". You can use anything on the amazon app store without play services, but generally that's more limited (like more limited than W10M, theres about 700,000 in windows store, about 600,000 in the amazon apps store, and qualitively, I think the windows store supports more major app platforms).

    On bb10, theres a workaround where you uncompile, recompile the apk, and then spoof the signature to google+ (which checks application signatures). Some programmers special project.

    Still you do get sailfishes own apps, so there's probably some interesting stuff there, and if you are using a sailfish phone, apps are not your big priority.

    For Microsoft apps, you'd have to check the amazon app store, and see if there are versions without play services required. A quick search of the amazon store at least reveals some apps - outlook, onenote, onedrive, skype. Not specifically seeing office 365, and there's definitely no Cortana.
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    04-18-2017 09:45 AM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Sorry, couldn't help myself...
    Hey, someone had to and if you had not, I would have done it eventually.


    For Microsoft apps, you'd have to check the amazon app store, and see if there are versions without play services required.
    Worst case scenario I should be able to sync my Calendar, Contacts and Outlook email. There is always signing into Outlook in browser which gets you everything. I managed well enough on a Firefox OS phone to have everything I needed.
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    04-18-2017 03:02 PM
  7. PerfectReign's Avatar
    You could always just carry around your 386, in a backpack, with a battery pack....you'd just need a mobile router.
    Yeah, not a problem. I remember running a longish batch file under OS2 Warp against one running on the brand new Windows 95 on two 386-based PS/2 machines.

    The Warp machine ran the batch (compiling a point-of-sale software running in DataFlex, scanning the hard drive, copying files, updating Excel) in about 1/3 the time it took the Win95 machine. The two were identical except for software.
    04-18-2017 04:53 PM
  8. editguy's Avatar
    Any idea what these will sell for and where they will be sold?
    04-18-2017 08:30 PM
  9. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Any idea what these will sell for and where they will be sold?
    Sony has an Open Devices Program to make changing ROMs easier. You're likely not going to find Sony phones running Sailfish at a carrier in the US any time soon. You would find an eligible device through the normal channels and flash the ROM yourself.

    I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling that officially the targets will only be the Xperia X line since that supplants the previous Z and earlier model lines. Unofficially, XDA would likely be your friend
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    04-19-2017 08:47 AM
  10. RumoredNow's Avatar
    OK

    Just pulled the trigger on a Lime Gold, international Xperia X - F5122 with 64 GB internal storage. BNIB for $338.

    I'll bump it up to Nougat when it comes in via OTA and then the real waiting game starts. C'mon Sailfish. Daddy needs a new OS!
    04-21-2017 01:48 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Dang, they were in a hurry to get rid of that phone. USPS has it about 2 hours after I ordered. Should be here Monday.
    04-21-2017 05:05 PM
  12. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Here is a FAQ about using Android Apps on Sailfish and it has a recent date of April 05, 2017.

    https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/a...do-I-get-them-
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    04-22-2017 12:38 PM
  13. editguy's Avatar
    I'm not a big app user, anyway, but it's nice to know that there are options.
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    04-22-2017 01:56 PM
  14. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I'm not a big app user, anyway, but it's nice to know that there are options.
    I'm not a huge app user either. It is good to know you can access stores like Amazon though.

    Question remains, does it support ART or just Dalvik?

    Here is a user community Q&A I'm scrolling through now: https://together.jolla.com/question/...ony-xperia-qa/
    04-23-2017 07:25 AM
  15. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Some answers...

    MWC Announcements Q&A (20 mins) Asked by c_la , backup: r0kk3rz (Jaymzz_, 09:07:27)

    1. This topic is shortened in duration as explained before. The Q&A is going to be divided into 2 sections. The first section is to answer the top questions from TJC Q&A page ( https://together.jolla.com/question/...t=votes&page=1 ) and second, whatever time we have left in 20 minutes, will be dedicated to community members asking their questions live. In case there were unanswered questions left, we (Jaymzz_, 09:07:41)
    2. https://together.jolla.com/question/...t=votes&page=1 (Jaymzz_, 09:07:49)
    3. First question: How do we get Xperias running Sailfish OS? (Jaymzz_, 09:12:56)
    4. Answer: So basically: the practical side of things, i.e. how a user gets the Xperia Sailfish device are not agreed fully yet. So unfortunately we will need to come back to this at a later stage. (Jaymzz_, 09:13:12)
    5. second question: Alien Dalvik support? (Jaymzz_, 09:13:32)
    6. Answer: Simply yes. (Jaymzz_, 09:13:56)
    7. Third question: Will sony give jolla access to the SW that powers its really good cameras so SFOS can fully exploit them? (Jaymzz_, 09:14:27)
    8. Answer: For the camera, we cannot yet promise that all the features of the camera are supported, but we are working on it and we think that we are going to get great quality pictures out of the camera. (Jaymzz_, 09:14:44)
    9. Jonatan Walck, Community member (jwalck, 09:16:02)
    10. Fourth question: How will the warranty be handled? (Jaymzz_, 09:17:22)
    11. Fifth question: To what extent are Sony involved? Are they simply allowing their hardware to be ported onto, or are they looking at becoming an official partner? In essence, in the future, could we buy a Sony device running SFOS? (Jaymzz_, 09:18:32)
    12. Answer to the previous question: Not agreed yet. (Jaymzz_, 09:18:55)
    13. Answer: This is a collaboration between Jolla and Sony Open Devices Program. The future regarding "buying a Sony device with Sailfish OS" is under discussion, and will be announced when we know. (Jaymzz_, 09:19:37)
    14. Sixth question: When can we expect the first Xperias with SFOS? I imagine it will be an official port of SFOS onto an Xperia already running Android. If this is the case, will there be a clear, step-by-step process to help those Jolla fans who don't have great tech knowledge (Jaymzz_, 09:20:29)
    15. Answer: We target to have something to offer at the end of Q2. (Jaymzz_, 09:21:46)
    16. Seventh question: Will the Dual Sim models be supported if the single sim devices are going to receive SFOS? (Jaymzz_, 09:22:06)
    17. Answer: Our first project is with the Xpreria X device, further devices are still to be agreed and announced. Aim is to support several Xpreria series devices. (Jaymzz_, 09:23:07)
    18. Eighth question: End of June? (Jaymzz_, 09:23:42)
    19. Answer: Yes (Jaymzz_, 09:23:50)
    20. Ninth question: Does the cooperation include Xperia tablets? (Jaymzz_, 09:24:17)
    21. Answer: Our first project is with the Xpreria X device, further devices are still to be agreed and announced. (Jaymzz_, 09:25:14)
    22. Tenth question: Will the devices be pure SFOS, or will they be dual boot? (Jaymzz_, 09:25:34)
    23. Answer: Practicalities are undecided, but we are considering both options single and dual boot. (Jaymzz_, 09:27:08)
    24. Does this mean we should run out and buy ourselves an xperia x with android today, getting sailfish and alien dalvik on it after Q2 2017? (Jaymzz_, 09:27:59)
    25. Answer: We should have answers relatively soon, so I'd not run to a store today. Of course up to you. (Jaymzz_, 09:30:03)
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    04-23-2017 08:38 AM
  16. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Here's a pretty good look at Sailfish UI as the vlogger compares it to Tizen.

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    04-23-2017 09:06 AM
  17. editguy's Avatar
    Here's a pretty good look at Sailfish UI as the vlogger compares it to Tizen.

    Your link isn't showing up. Maybe a bracket in the wrong spot?
    04-23-2017 05:20 PM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Your link isn't showing up. Maybe a bracket in the wrong spot?
    It's an embedded Youtube video. I see it.

    Here is the raw link: https: //youtu.be/eocrWa01eIo
    04-23-2017 05:23 PM
  19. editguy's Avatar
    When I replied to your post I found the link there and was able to copy and past the link and watch it. Sailfish reminds me of Symbian (makes sense). I used Symbian for a long time before coming to Windows phone. If I was forced to go to another OS, I believe I would feel very comfortable with Sailfish. I'm looking forward to giving it a try.
    04-23-2017 05:31 PM
  20. editguy's Avatar
    It's an embedded Youtube video. I see it.

    Here is the raw link: https: //youtu.be/eocrWa01eIo
    Funny, it doesn't show up on mine. Maybe it's just Edge on my computer. I just checked it on Firefox and it does show there.
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    04-23-2017 05:36 PM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    So the Xperia X came today and is updating to Nougat. Unfortunately I don't even have time to play with it since I worked 12 hours today and back for 12 tomorrow. Gotta get up at 3:30 am.

    I will say the pictures on the internet don't do it justice. That Lime Gold is BEAUTIFUL. What a fantastic looking phone.
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    04-24-2017 07:53 PM
  22. meattray's Avatar
    So the Xperia X came today and is updating to Nougat. Unfortunately I don't even have time to play with it since I worked 12 hours today and back for 12 tomorrow. Gotta get up at 3:30 am.

    I will say the pictures on the internet don't do it justice. That Lime Gold is BEAUTIFUL. What a fantastic looking phone.
    So what made you pick the Xperia X?
    04-24-2017 08:00 PM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    So what made you pick the Xperia X?
    As shown in the video linked in the OP of the thread, and talked about in subsequent posts, the Xperia X is the first porting target for the collaboration between Jolla and Sony Open Devices Program to put Sailfish OS on the Xperia lineup.

    I wanna be a sailor.


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    04-24-2017 08:10 PM
  24. editguy's Avatar
    As shown in the video linked in the OP of the thread, and talked about in subsequent posts, the Xperia X is the first porting target for the collaboration between Jolla and Sony Open Devices Program to put Sailfish OS on the Xperia lineup.

    I wanna be a sailor.
    Hey, they told you not to run out and buy it yet.
    It would be kinda cool if they were able to make it dual boot. Either way, though, I think I'm in. Heck, I didn't even hate Symbian. I would prefer something like this over Android or iOS. I also expect that they would do a better job with the camera than Alcatel has with the Idol. Where did you purchase your Xperia?

    I had another thought. If Sony has an open devices program, why didn't MS hook up with them? Perhaps that's a rhetorical question.
    04-26-2017 07:15 PM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    @editguy I know, I know... I jumped the gun, but I'm terribly excited about the idea of running officially sanctioned Sailfish. I've been looking for this a long time. I demoed Sailfish on my Nexus 4 in the 1.x version and fell in love with it. In 2014 I was in Italy and I almost bought a Jolla Phone to bring home, except it would not have played nice with US carrier networks.

    It also says in the answers that dual SIM won't be supported, but since the Dual SIM is an adaptive tray (2 SIMs or 1 SIM + micro SD) I hope that just means that the second SIM won't work. That would not bother me and near as I can tell there is only one international model.

    I'm betting heavily that the international model will get Sailfish long before the North American one (if that even gets it at all, Jolla has made a pretty wide path around the US and shows no interest in coming here directly).

    Word is that Sony is working with Jolla to get the camera dialed in. It may not be as feature rich as the Android version, but I do believe it will be a solid shooter as Sony prides itself on camera and they don't want a poor representation here.

    Here's the one I got: https://smile.amazon.com/XPERIA-F512...ireless&sr=1-1 It was marked as Only 1 Left and I got it for $338... LOL then it went to Only 1 Left at $339. Still the best price I found on the 64GB international in my color choice of Lime Gold.

    IDK why Microsoft hasn't proliferated some W10M ROMS. A certain class of user loves flashing and will try most anything. That is a better fast track to getting 3rd party OEMs on board most likely...
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    04-27-2017 10:17 AM
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