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  1. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Here's the one I got: https://smile.amazon.com/XPERIA-F512...ireless&sr=1-1 It was marked as Only 1 Left and I got it for $338... LOL then it went to Only 1 Left at $339. Still the best price I found on the 64GB international in my color choice of Lime Gold.
    FWIW, the item shipped fast from the US. Ordered it on a Friday and got it on the following Monday. It was originally slated for the Chinese Market from what I've seen on the bx and on the phone.

    Now that I look closer it is actually a different seller in the link I posted. I just checked the link from my order history and somehow the seller switched from NGP Store USA to universal goods even if I follow the link from my order history. Same 99% positive ratings for the seller which is what made me pull the trigger...
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    04-27-2017 01:48 PM
  2. editguy's Avatar
    @editguy I know, I know... I jumped the gun, but I'm terribly excited about the idea of running officially sanctioned Sailfish. I've been looking for this a long time. I demoed Sailfish on my Nexus 4 in the 1.x version and fell in love with it. In 2014 I was in Italy and I almost bought a Jolla Phone to bring home, except it would not have played nice with US carrier networks.

    It also says in the answers that dual SIM won't be supported, but since the Dual SIM is an adaptive tray (2 SIMs or 1 SIM + micro SD) I hope that just means that the second SIM won't work. That would not bother me and near as I can tell there is only one international model.

    I'm betting heavily that the international model will get Sailfish long before the North American one (if that even gets it at all, Jolla has made a pretty wide path around the US and shows no interest in coming here directly).

    Word is that Sony is working with Jolla to get the camera dialed in. It may not be as feature rich as the Android version, but I do believe it will be a solid shooter as Sony prides itself on camera and they don't want a poor representation here.

    Here's the one I got: https://smile.amazon.com/XPERIA-F512...ireless&sr=1-1 It was marked as Only 1 Left and I got it for $338... LOL then it went to Only 1 Left at $339. Still the best price I found on the 64GB international in my color choice of Lime Gold.

    IDK why Microsoft hasn't proliferated some W10M ROMS. A certain class of user loves flashing and will try most anything. That is a better fast track to getting 3rd party OEMs on board most likely...
    Thanks for all of the info. Since it's expected to be released at the end of June, I think I'll wait a bit on the purchase. Since the Jolla people are former Nokia I would expect a decent camera experience and, as you say, Sony takes pride in it. That's what's frustrating about the Idol 4S camera being inconsistent. It's a good sensor.
    I'm really looking forward to this and the Xperia X looks like a nice phone. What do you think of it so far?
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    04-27-2017 05:18 PM
  3. RumoredNow's Avatar
    ...That's what's frustrating about the Idol 4S camera being inconsistent. It's a good sensor.
    I'm really looking forward to this and the Xperia X looks like a nice phone. What do you think of it so far?
    Idol 4S has a Sony sensor LOL. But they let the SoC control it. There appears to be zero camera firmware on the thing.

    The Xperia X is a nice phone. Great feel and balance. The hardware is pretty groovy. I'm still evaluating it, but the SD 650 seems very capable to me. Display is nice. Weather hasn't really cooperated for me to check sunlight readability. The screen is very punchy and vibrant when you use "Vivid mode" for the display.

    It's a very attractive phone to me, although I don't like the camera placement, I prefer it in the middle and a couple centimeters down. I need to get out and take some more serious pictures with the 23MP shooter. And, hey, it has a camera button!!!

    Idol 4S was my first fingerprint reader experience and it proved to be kind of a PITA. The fingerprint reader on the X is in the power button so it is a no brainer, tap the power and hold your finger on the button another fraction of a second and bam, unlocked. That is a pleasure to use. Hope that support for it makes it into Sailfish.
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    04-27-2017 09:13 PM
  4. editguy's Avatar
    Sounds like a nice phone. It definitely looks nice. And it's definitely great to see a manufacturer include a camera button! I'll be following this.
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    04-29-2017 01:16 AM
  5. Drael646464's Avatar
    @editguy I know, I know... I jumped the gun, but I'm terribly excited about the idea of running officially sanctioned Sailfish. I've been looking for this a long time. I demoed Sailfish on my Nexus 4 in the 1.x version and fell in love with it. In 2014 I was in Italy and I almost bought a Jolla Phone to bring home, except it would not have played nice with US carrier networks.

    It also says in the answers that dual SIM won't be supported, but since the Dual SIM is an adaptive tray (2 SIMs or 1 SIM + micro SD) I hope that just means that the second SIM won't work. That would not bother me and near as I can tell there is only one international model.

    I'm betting heavily that the international model will get Sailfish long before the North American one (if that even gets it at all, Jolla has made a pretty wide path around the US and shows no interest in coming here directly).

    Word is that Sony is working with Jolla to get the camera dialed in. It may not be as feature rich as the Android version, but I do believe it will be a solid shooter as Sony prides itself on camera and they don't want a poor representation here.

    Here's the one I got: https://smile.amazon.com/XPERIA-F512...ireless&sr=1-1 It was marked as Only 1 Left and I got it for $338... LOL then it went to Only 1 Left at $339. Still the best price I found on the 64GB international in my color choice of Lime Gold.

    IDK why Microsoft hasn't proliferated some W10M ROMS. A certain class of user loves flashing and will try most anything. That is a better fast track to getting 3rd party OEMs on board most likely...
    They tried with the xiaomi mi 4. It was still buggy by the time they finished with it. Sailfish is open sourced and community driven. Little more open to tinkering. I think your basically stuck with re-writing all the drivers. Which if you were writing for someone elses model, wouldn't pay off that well. It would work much better with specific partnerships, but if the model were big enough, I think it'd be viable.
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    05-02-2017 03:43 AM
  6. editguy's Avatar
    Idol 4S has a Sony sensor LOL. But they let the SoC control it. There appears to be zero camera firmware on the thing.

    The Xperia X is a nice phone. Great feel and balance. The hardware is pretty groovy. I'm still evaluating it, but the SD 650 seems very capable to me. Display is nice. Weather hasn't really cooperated for me to check sunlight readability. The screen is very punchy and vibrant when you use "Vivid mode" for the display.

    It's a very attractive phone to me, although I don't like the camera placement, I prefer it in the middle and a couple centimeters down. I need to get out and take some more serious pictures with the 23MP shooter. And, hey, it has a camera button!!!

    Idol 4S was my first fingerprint reader experience and it proved to be kind of a PITA. The fingerprint reader on the X is in the power button so it is a no brainer, tap the power and hold your finger on the button another fraction of a second and bam, unlocked. That is a pleasure to use. Hope that support for it makes it into Sailfish.
    So, have you had time to play with the phone more under it's current Android configuration? If so, what are your impressions? How is the camera?
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    05-09-2017 01:29 AM
  7. RumoredNow's Avatar
    So, have you had time to play with the phone more under it's current Android configuration? If so, what are your impressions? How is the camera?
    I've been driving it daily. Android is still Android, but the Sony skin is light and most nice touches. DTtW which I have turned off because the fingerprint reader is on and it is fast. DTtS which I do use.

    I like the hardware a lot. The SD 650 seems very competent. The screen is nice and has some color tweaks.

    I've not spent a lot of time with the camera yet, but that seems competent as well...
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    05-09-2017 02:05 PM
  8. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Not. Coming. Fast. Enough.
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    05-20-2017 06:47 AM
  9. nate0's Avatar
    Thanks for the OP for reminding folks in other forums about this. I read up on Sailfish off an on only recently. I will start to read more into it this coming week. What is their current list of HW supported meaning how many devices so far? Or is it mostly focusing with Sony right now?

    To answer another question I saw earlier in the threads about what they might have to offer to the game that Android does not already do...From first glance it seems their OS is Microsoft-like in that it is scalable through IoT, Enterprise, handhelds, tablets, etc type devices. If that is true, then I would say they are future proofing themselves too...So that is one good thing I noticed.
    06-04-2017 07:44 PM
  10. nate0's Avatar
    Also, I bet the OS has older roots and might be older than 10 years if you count where it is derived from. Reading more here it is based from a Linux distro created under Nokia. We all know how long Nokia has been around. Linux is not that old but has been around longer than 2011.
    06-04-2017 07:52 PM
  11. RumoredNow's Avatar
    There are dedicated Sailfish phones... Hard to come by in the US and mostly nothing to wow anyone who chases spec. Also there is the radio compatibility issue.

    Ports is another story. Various Android units have had quite polished ports. Back in the Nexus 4 era I was really impressed with Sailfish on that worthy device. Only issue was that Alien Dalvik didn'y come along with the port. The Sony collaboration should address that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfi...dware_overview
    06-05-2017 08:58 AM
  12. nate0's Avatar
    The OnePlus X has a port too I later found.
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    06-05-2017 09:14 AM
  13. editguy's Avatar
    There are dedicated Sailfish phones... Hard to come by in the US and mostly nothing to wow anyone who chases spec. Also there is the radio compatibility issue.

    Ports is another story. Various Android units have had quite polished ports. Back in the Nexus 4 era I was really impressed with Sailfish on that worthy device. Only issue was that Alien Dalvik didn'y come along with the port. The Sony collaboration should address that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfi...dware_overview
    Is there still a port available for the Nexus 4? I have a barely used one that I wouldn't mind experimenting with.
    06-05-2017 02:15 PM
  14. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Is there still a port available for the Nexus 4? I have a barely used one that I wouldn't mind experimenting with.
    This one seems pretty current. :)

    https://forum.xda-developers.com/nex...-port-t2969823
    06-06-2017 07:47 PM
  15. Keeptechcoolandsimple's Avatar
    I've been driving it daily. Android is still Android, but the Sony skin is light and most nice touches. DTtW which I have turned off because the fingerprint reader is on and it is fast. DTtS which I do use.

    I like the hardware a lot. The SD 650 seems very competent. The screen is nice and has some color tweaks.

    I've not spent a lot of time with the camera yet, but that seems competent as well...
    I recall my Sony Xperia Z and I agree with you on the skin. It was very near stock with minimal additions to connect to various sony products.
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    06-06-2017 11:39 PM
  16. Keeptechcoolandsimple's Avatar
    When I replied to your post I found the link there and was able to copy and past the link and watch it. Sailfish reminds me of Symbian (makes sense). I used Symbian for a long time before coming to Windows phone. If I was forced to go to another OS, I believe I would feel very comfortable with Sailfish. I'm looking forward to giving it a try.
    I'm also reminded of BlackBerry 10 in Sailfish based on the videos. Especially how BB10 touted its active frames and an all gesture based interaction. Interesting to see how sailfish develops.
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    06-06-2017 11:54 PM
  17. editguy's Avatar
    Thanks!
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    06-07-2017 01:32 AM
  18. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Thanks!
    Before you start... Got WugFresh? IMHO the essential Nexus Toolikit before you sail off into the flashing seas.

    If you get the N4 on Sailfish, let us know what you think. Question #1 for me is do the ports now allow Alien Dalvik?
    06-07-2017 11:36 AM
  19. editguy's Avatar
    Before you start... Got WugFresh? IMHO the essential Nexus Toolikit before you sail off into the flashing seas.

    If you get the N4 on Sailfish, let us know what you think. Question #1 for me is do the ports now allow Alien Dalvik?
    Thanks for the info. I will definitely give feedback after I get into it. I'm just ready to start a big video job so it will have to wait until that's completed. It's a shame how work get in the way of fun.
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    06-07-2017 02:33 PM
  20. xandros9's Avatar
    After a pretty long time fiddling with my friend's Turing Phone, it's now back in their possession and I have this document to show for my time. (and a video, but that's something else)

    This is my sizable review of Sailfish OS 2.0.4. I go into detail with it's mechanics so its long-winded.

    https://mega.nz/#!ZY0C0KoC!uOVaKl7lD...2rKbs4pCkwRjjU

    PDF - 3.6 MB
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    06-27-2017 05:10 PM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Thanks @xandros9 I'll digest that PDF over the next couple of days...

    I check daily for news of the port to Xperia X. Still waiting. Still impatient.
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    06-28-2017 07:52 AM
  22. nate0's Avatar
    The Xiaomi Redmi note 4 has a sailfish port now.
    07-04-2017 01:58 AM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    The Xiaomi Redmi note 4 has a sailfish port now.
    I assume that is community driven/compiled? Any word on Android app support?

    I'd much rather have an official ROM and definitely would prefer Sony hardware over Xiaomi.


    A few notes:

    Jolla is releasing the ROM to Cbeta testers first. https://blog.jolla.com/sony-xperia-project-update/

    I backed the wrong horse. My initial (and admittedly too quick) search found only a US F5121 and an International F5122 which is dual SIM. Seems there is a third option, the International F5121 which is single SIM. That's the one needed and I got the F5122 thinking they would just cut out support for the second SIM (whose slot doubles as SD slot anyway). I based this assumption on the lack of US model availability worldwide - the US is hardly the target audience for Sailfish at this stage in its development. I'll be correcting that error soon and securing the correct F5121. I now assume that the US version may be acceptable, but will seek the International anyway. Only difference I can tell is that the US model lacks fingerprint reader support. Unfortunately both F1521s only have half the internal storage of the F5122: down to 32GB from 64...

    I'm officially off W10M at this point. Haven't touched it for a couple of months now. Android is just meh, but I've made my peace with it for now.
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    07-04-2017 07:11 AM
  24. nate0's Avatar
    @RumoredNow
    Yes. It is and XDA community port. I agree with you on the choice of Sony. However Sailfish is Sailfish so if you like the OS you just need to know what hardware is supported. However Xiaomi's Redmi name is of the lower end devices. The good thing about Android devices is you can have a sweet piece of hardware from anywhere (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, US), but it runs whatever skin/OS that maker wants it to have...unlock the boot loader and you can usually find a better looking and acting OS out there some where for it...
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    07-04-2017 07:46 AM
  25. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I've done the community port thing before and have done the ROM shopping thing as well. If the Redmi Note 4 I could easily find on Amazon supported LTE for the US I might grab one as a stop gap. I'd probably be better served with a used Nexus 5 for that though...

    I'm more excited to have an officially supported version with working Alien Dalvik. I still have some patience left in the tank.
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    07-04-2017 06:39 PM
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