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  1. Mihai N's Avatar
    I came to the thread again because the storage settings and SD card management in Android 7 sucks big time. I mean if I set the card as internal memory it doesn't show in file Explorer and you can't set download paths for saving files at all, when I set it up as external storage I had to choose the default write disk without being told what is saved where in each occasion, there was also up to several GB of space that was said to be occupied but not knowing what if was in File Explorer or Storage settings, and so on. I expected a lot more from the OS praised by so many and holder of 85% market share. It may have it positive points, but I want the W10M storage management back, not this clueless management and having to go through a jungle of folders to see where did an app saved files
    05-04-2017 04:38 PM
  2. Seth Glenn's Avatar
    Hello all!

    I've been a big fan of Windows Phone/Mobile since about 2011. I loved my blue Nokia Lumia 920 and was a constant advocate for Windows Phone and why people should give it a chance. During the biggest portion of Microsoft's marketing for Windows phone 8 I was able to persuade several friends and coworkers to give it a try.

    I came to Windows Phone 8 from iOS and an aged iPhone 4, and before that an iphone 3GS, so I have experienced Apples ecosystem, even though I was never fully in love with it. Having grown up a PC guy, and having an Xbox and a Windows PC, I was an early adopter of OneNote and SkyDrive, which later became OneDrive, so mving to Windows Phone for me was a dream. I absolutely LOVED the integration with the MS ecosystem, the contacts and ability to check on a person's facebook & twitter status, texts and calls all in one place on one live tile was amazing. I loved the xbox games that were exclusive like Halo Spartan Assault. If I did not have a first party app for something I was interested in, I found the best 3rd party apps that often were better that the Android/iOS alternatives: (MS's youtube, Mytube, 6tag, etc). My wife, who still swears by Apple, was not happy to lose facetime and imessage, which we used for video chat to see our young kids. I of course promoted Skype as the alternative, and it worked great, even if my wife complained. The "APP GAP" never bothered me really, as I use mostly the same 8-10 apps everyday, and mobile sites continue to get better and run faster as HTML5 becomes the norm, and we get away from flash.

    I used my Lumia 920 for almost 4 years until it died. It survived 2 1/2 years with a crack in the screen, and was so durable I rarely used a case. When it died I switched to a newly released Lumia 950, and while I think Windows 10 Mobile is great, they did drop the ball on some things. I do believe Continuum is going to grow and be important to the MS ecosystem, just not sure in which ways. My Lumia 950 was great, until about 6 months ago. I started having intermittent battery issues. My phone would randomly restart when I was doing different things: Opening an app, opening my camera, unlocking my screen, the list goes on. It got to the point where it was happing 5 times a day sometimes. It didn't matter how full my battery was, though it did happen more often when lower than 50%. When it happened during a few calls, I finally bought a new battery. Unfortunately, I had to order it online, since MS does not replace batteries themselves. Believe me I tried. I went to the local MS store, and they said even if the replaced the phone, they had to use the old battery. They didn't even have them in stock for such a purpose.

    I replaced the battery, and for a week, it was bliss. All was well again, until it wasn't. Random restarts started happening again. I did not want to get a new phone, and I'm still on contract with ATT to this day for it.(will never do that again; unlocked only from now on). But I use my phone for work, and having a phone restart in the middle of a work call can't be an issue. I started researching inexpensive Android phones pretty hard. Something I could buy outright and use until either a Surface Phone or something else comes out worth getting. I could have stayed in the Windows Mobile ecosystem, but as of Nov/Dec 2016 when this happened, MS had dropped even their own phones from their stores. Out of necessity, I was going to have to buy a new phone.

    I finally found a phone that peaked my curiosity enough, and the price dropped enough during the holiday season that I bit the bullet, and bought an Android Nextbit Robin for $150 off Amazon; a phone that came out at the same time as the 950. It has almost the exact same specs as the Lumia 950 as well, a Qualcom 6-core processor, 3 GB of Ram, 32 GB storage, USB-C, a fingerprint reader, and as a bonus, 100GB of proprietary cloud storage. This is by far, the BEST specs I could find for that price, as anything else at that price was several years older than my 2015 Lumia, and less powerful. I also went with no name Nextbit, because their developers were already testing Android 7, keeping up with Google and Samsung. Their CEO also was very responsive on their forums, answering questions as he could. This company has since been bought by Razer, and I'll be curious to see where that leads, as a gamer myself.

    First, I still have my 950, and it works well, but stays mostly plugged in and used in Continuum mode for my son to play Minecraft and other games on using a blue tooth keyboard and mouse, on a 20 inch screen. ;-)

    Now, using my Nextbit Robin, I have spent almost 5 months in Android, running many Microsoft apps, and using their services when possible. Used Windows Central and also Paul Thurrott's great series of articles, Android for the Windows guy" as a base for setting up my phone. I use MS's Arrow launcher, sticking with it after trying several. I just can't get over how much it integrated with my MS apps, but it also is fairly intuitive. FOr example, a list of 'frequent apps' which for me clearly points to being a creature of habit, and using the same 10-12 apps most often that I did on W10M. Twitter, Instagram, Music/Groove, Camera, Mail, Facebook, Messenger, Reddit, Alarms.

    I won't lie and say I haven't found other apps I didn't have access to previously. And in a lot of cases, those apps I now have access to on Android are sometimes a joy to use. Textra, for example, is my go to SMS app. I love being able to assign colors and names not only to individual contacts, but also to group texts as well. It also works as an overlay when I get a notification, and disappears again after I reply, putting me right back in the app I was using before. Sure, there are also loads of apps that I've tried and uninstalled as not necessary. Overall, while access to millions of apps can be great when searching for that one; it's not really needed all the time. And as such, I can safely say I would absolutely be interested in the next generation of Windows Mobile devices, be that some sort of Surface device, or something else entirely.

    I would say to those who haven't switched, I like Android, but not necessarily more than W10M. It has it's own quirks and frustrations. Millions of apps in the Play store don't mean they are all better. I have to wade through 20 trash apps to find the one I want sometimes. But Android has definitely been the best switch for me, allowing me to stay integrated in the MS ecosystem. I use Onedrive AND Google photos to backup my pics/videos, because why not? I use OneDrive and Office quite a bit. Also, the MS Authenticator app is amazing, and can be sued for more than just MS accounts.

    If you are forced to switch, or just curious, I'd recommend Android as the easiest to switch to. Use the aforementioned resources, and make it your own. As for me, I'll look forward to what Microsoft has to offer, whether in the mobile space or some new category of hybrid phones/tablets/pocket PCs, with excitement and anticipation.

    Thanks, Seth
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    05-04-2017 04:51 PM
  3. Drael646464's Avatar
    I haven't used win10 m yet, but it will be my next phone. I've been an android user (still use the tablets), and then a bb10 user (that runs android apps).

    So instead of directly compare, which I can only do once I have tried win10m (Something I am glad that I will have the luxury of doing when the app store is likely to grow, and the possibly game changing for windows Cortana skills api is on its way) - I'll just describe my journey of disenchantment with android.

    At first like most users I imagine, I was taken in by all the options for apps in the playstore, and the selection of launchers for customizing UI. I enjoyed the ability to root android, and get under the hood a little, change settings and so on, do backups, adjust partitions - some of those techy things I like to do to tweak experience and performance on windows machines.

    The first that reared its head, was those launchers everyone loves - well they are literally the first thing to crash. Yes, it may reboot itself, as a default, but those things are as buggy as file explorer in windows 98. They are also pretty samey. You don't get wild control over how you access the internal system, it merely controls how you access apps and app folders. Which makes it functionally like an app launcher in windows, despite its effect on the appearance. It got dull.

    The app selection, will I was very impressed with it at first, it turned out all that software was largely of an extremely low quality. Most of it was based around advertising, like the operating system and google ecosystem itself. It made the experience of using an android phone comparable to watching free to air tv, filled with continual little disappointments and blemishes to the experience. Some small number of apps won't run on all devices - there is very little development budget so supporting a variety of hardware is just not commercially of interest. Basically, if you want an app, and it doesn't work, nobody cares.
    Between games that juice for cash, and apps that pop up advertsing, and the model of data collection and advertising the whole platform of google represents, I became quickly disatistfied. The platform, also felt like...it was designed for dumb people. Like the devolution of the personal computer. And not in a natural interaction sense of conversation, or intuitive gestures or hand movements. It was simple to grasp, but also messy and not natural at the same time. The UI of windows seems more 'centralised' and well organised IMO. (Not that everything is - the 2d the folder system we use for files - it was nothing like actually using a real folder, where spacial memory and special logic apply, there is much in computers that deserves being completely re-thought out from stratch).
    The games were by and large pretty aweful, apart from the odd title, and some windows ports.
    Touch itself, is a fatiguing motion, squinting at a tiny screen, less than healthy for the eyes. I came to value the tablet experience, as a very casual form of computing, over highly active use of a phone all day long. The phone being something I tend to use more now for checking emails or playing music than actively using for longer periods. Check or do, then move on. It gets little action unless I am using navigation or suddenly need to research something in the browser.

    It was after I moved to bb10 (still on android with some tablets), that I finally realised, even with the ability to install many dozens of apps, something I often rushed to - I only used a small handful of them, basically, ever.

    The more intuitive gesture system of bb10 (which windows 10 has now, as to a more limited degree does android), the centralised hub over the hodgepodge of android notifications, the ability to real time multi-tasking (which I realise no other mobile OS has), these helped re-inforce how hodgepodge the android UI was.

    While you can now filter notifications with more control, and get them on glance, it still seems less than ideal for tracking vital messages and so on - why even mix "you've got an email" with "some stupid thing has updated and who cares" in the first place? And why put it on a top swipe down that is easy to mistrigger?. It lacks the simple, easy to trigger side of screen swype elegancy that BB10 and now windows 10 has (for things like the hub, close app, or in windows the task manager), even if it does use some of these motions, they seem poorly implemented by comparison.

    And having installed what seems now like WAAAY too many apps on every device I've owned, getting excited about the possibility of doing this, and doing that, only to find, actually that's like ordering a lathing kit, a birdhouse DIY kit, an ab cruncher and a digital photograph keyring from ebay, for all the actual use I get out of it. Whether its pokemon go, or some new redundant chat platform that makes icq look dated, share economies that represent a falling of quality of service and regulation as much as they do a saving in pennies, a lot of it seems like hot air to me now.

    And touch tech seems so thoroughly old hat to be now, I can barely understand the excitement which some older people approach apps and so on. Even how some people get excited about phones. They ain't flying cars. It's nice. Its a new toy. The novelty will wear off, and odds are it won't change your life.

    My little BB, I'm keeping. Even when apps no longer work. You know why? that tiny little keyboard has been more use to be sending vital emails and texts, than fifty apps. And that's in an age where the hardkeyboard is a "spiffy new feature" on a tablet, but "an old dried up dustball' on a phone. Honestly people a f'n bizzare.

    It occurs to me even, that with the limited number of thing I do, perhaps most people really don't even need an app store. Just basic tasks - browser, email, wifi chat, banking, gps, calculator, photo editor, social apps. Sure the other's might be handy to some, perhaps even very functional, but at least somewhat overrated, for having as options.

    And when I saw googles more recent moves, to increase search result advertising, push away windows customers by making no UWPs and pulling chrome apps - annoying in your face stuff like popups on google search and youtube "recommending" chrome, I could see a creep that was impossible to deny.

    Like 30 second advertising breaks on free-to-air tv turning into two minutes, the advertising model of google, with a totally captive and quite dependant audience would only turn into a monster the more you fed it. A slow creep of "how the heck did we end up here", that will eventually dawn on everyone, the way it did with free to air being replaced by cable, streaming and so on.

    bb10 of course was lovely. A bit simple, but for a phone that's kind of expected for whatever reasons. But a fluid and intuitive user experience. But of course, with it no longer supported, the 4.4 android runtime will soon run its clock.

    And as I mentioned I use like, hang on, let me count them. 6 installed rather than native apps. One of the only because aliexpress offers shopping specials via the app (its horrible to use next to tablet or desktop, so I select on that, and then switch to the phone to use the discount. lol really, the app is AWFUL, and very few people actually buy things via phones, according to market research). Most of the apps on by phone sit their like rows of cans of preserved food in a doomsday preppers basement waiting for a day that never comes. Like a cat lady waiting for her date.

    I do get a lot more use out of apps on my windows tablet, and desktop, largely because those experiences are more enjoyable. My phone as exciting as phones sometimes seem to many, as a sort of boring tool device, that occasionally lets me waste time in a generally still dull way with the odd bus stop game, or social app.

    My tablet my comparison is thoroughly exciting to me - the casual magazine like experience of browsing or social networking whilst reclining in bed, or on the sofa, entertainment on screen sizes I enjoy, games that wipe the floor with freemium android offerings.

    I won't discount some useful things that software model has brought about. Ubers for people who get drunk in town, but don't mind a bit of touchy feely on the way home. Strangers basements to stay in whilst travelling. Nifty little apps that change your voice into a rap, or add rabbit ears to your photo (okay no I am kidding, there are some useful functions, for people who get use out of those functions)

    But it feels like a phase. A phase that degrades in quality the more you use it. Like broadcast TV. Or facebook.

    So I look to someone with a preferable vision of the future than that, or the jailcell apple proposes.

    Although I watch the world with its move towards , say something like smart homes. And in the same way cars supplant walking, phones supplant having a sense of direction and to some degree in person friendship (and supplant a tolerance of silence and inactivity with an eternal restlessness of the heart),

    I see smart homes eventually robbing people of the sheer will and know how to turn on a light switch. I see technology designed for convenience basically making people fat, stupid and incapable, in the very long term. A dystopia brought on by creature comfort desires. And I am a big fan of technology - It's just a shame technology isn't designed for us, in terms of out psychological, biological and evolutionary needs - but rather we are expected to adapt to it (impossible as that is without survival pressures), with the honey cloying call of "do less, think less, move less, speak less, we'll handle that" ringing in the ears of chronically overworked consumers grinding in a captalistic engine that thrives more on competition that quality or efficiency of outcome.

    So while I'd like to be optimistic MS has a better vision for the technological future for consumers - I am not sure that consumer driven markets are capable of making the right choices for themselves, any more than a truck sized fat person has any likelihood of turning down that next slice of pizza or pie.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 05-05-2017 at 04:48 AM.
    05-05-2017 04:21 AM
  4. Drael646464's Avatar
    I guess I can only hope, that this little frogs jump out before they boil, or that I am well and dead by the time it does.
    05-05-2017 04:49 AM
  5. Mark Richey's Avatar
    I love Windows 10 Mobile and I am still updating my 950, as we speak. However, I have used Windows Phones in Japan, with no carrier support, no 4G support, lousy Here/Bing Maps, and mediocre searches. Since I was using an Apple 3Gs Sim card, cut to a MicoSim, cut to a NanoSim, I thought if I went to one of the Sim only carriers, I could get a card for my 950 that would support 4G. So I took a Nexus 5X down to Y! Mobile and got a great deal.

    Long story short, the 950 still only got essentially 3G. What also surprised me, being new to Android, was how simple set up was. I had to tweak absolutely no settings, where as before, I needed APN for Softbank and was still unimpressed.

    So I am still on the 5X, and actually am impressed with the ecosystem. I am running a blended system, with the Microsoft Arrow Launcher (I joined the Beta program) and tons of Microsoft apps, including ToDo, Office (I have a 365 account), news and weather, Outlook, and even Groove Music. But I also heavily rely upon G-mail and the Google Calendar. Part of the reason for this is my wife sports an Apple 7 and works for Google Japan, so I must use the calendar to keep up. To be honest, Google Calendar, and even some of Gmail are still superior to Outlook Calendar/Mail.

    I am on Nougat 7.1x and despite having bought a new one, I have ditched my Band 2 for an LG Urbane. Microsoft Band app and the Band 2 on Windows phone are better than on Android, but I am very happy with a more smartwatch type device.

    But there are things I miss. I bought the 950 on release (it runs great on the latest builds, but sucked out of the box) for the expandable storage. I miss that.

    So I am still looking to replace the Nexus in the next few months. I have mostly been watching prices on the Xperia XZ. It has expandable storage, a great camera, and.....A dedicated camera button.

    However, the LG G6 is also whispering in my ear. Tough call!

    I bought one of the last Lumias. I don't foresee Windows 10 Mobile making any headway in Japan. It is an iPhone centric country. But I will continue to use the 950 - just not as my daily driver. To get the best navigation, maps, and 4G in Japan, I will stick with Android. Many wonderful choices, but after 5 phones, my heart is still in WP country.

    Windows Phones:
    - Toshiba Windows Mobile 6.5
    - HTC Titan (Windows Phone 7-7.8)
    - Nokia 920 (Cyan) Windows Phone 8-Windows 10 Mobile
    - Nokia Lumia 930 (Windows 8-Windows Mobile 10) Runs great on Windows 10 Mobile
    - Microsoft Lumia 950 (Windows 10 Mobile)
    05-05-2017 09:21 AM
  6. Mark Richey's Avatar
    Love the Arrow Launcher. In the Beta program and so I get the latest and greatest. Funny how you settled on Textra as well. I do miss my live tiles though.

    Good luck with your Android.
    05-05-2017 09:30 AM
  7. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Company usage:
    PC & Windows phone - from HP! - or Mac & iPhone from Apple
    Um a Mac == a PC. It just runs Unix instead of Windows.

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    05-05-2017 12:46 PM
  8. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    I had many Windows phones. I started with WP7 and upgraded to Lumia 920 and 1020. I dabbled with the OnePlus 1 and then went back to a Lumia 950. When I see other people with all the apps, especially my son, I get tempted to try Android. Now, I'm running a Samsung S7 Edge.

    I want to love Microsoft products. I have a Surface Pro 3 and an Xbox One. It is nice to have everything unified. I'm not even a power user. I don't use social media. I use very few apps. I don't even care about NFC payment; a credit card is just as easy to use as a phone. I will never own a smart watch or fitness band or any other connected device. But there are some things that are very convenient to use while mobile, such as Uber and Lyft, Yelp, HappyCow and IsItVegan, mobile deposit in banking apps, etc.

    Android is fine. Its aesthetics do not fit my preferences, but it works fine. My S7 Edge, however, bugs me. The WiFi hardly ever connects automatically when I travel between home and work, but it does almost always disconnect automatically. It does not have USB C, which is tolerable because of the wireless charging. It doesn't read texts through bluetooth without an app that is unreliable at best. I don't know why, but I find the UI design silly looking. The cartoonish icons and block backgrounds turn me off. I managed to use Nova launcher and Zooper Widget Pro to get a UI that looks very good, but for some reason it still bugs me.

    I will probably go back and forth between my Lumia 950 and my S7 Edge, but mostly because I have an affinity to W10M.
    05-05-2017 02:24 PM
  9. Rhody#WP's Avatar
    I don't see the app gap getting solved any time soon, unless we move away from apps entirely, which has been hinted at. UWP will not solve anything. There is no reason to develop a UWP app when your service works fine in a browser. The only reason developers would start writing Windows apps is if the market share of W10M smartphones started to be competitive. The only way I see Microsoft getting an edge in the market is if they do something to disrupt the industry that would make a Microsoft mobile device a hot commodity. Maybe that's something like ditching the candy bar and going straight to wearable or a pocket device without a dedicated screen or who knows? Something! I can tell you what it won't be: it won't be voice or VR. Those are not the future. Voice has privacy concerns, and VR is too cumbersome. If it's AI, then they have some work to do. Maybe they should team up with some partners to tap into the power of the cognitive cloud.

    Then again, maybe they should stay right where they are. Minimalism is trending.
    05-05-2017 02:35 PM
  10. Nobby Stiles's Avatar
    Although right now I am locked into my contract with Windows 10 on a 950xl, I am getting a bit tired of one or two major (in my view) bugs on this phone. The text scaling on MS Edge is horrendous - it is either far too big or far too small and the scaling/text options in Settings don't work for me due to other side effects. This is a basic issue and should be fixed across the board. I have an old iPhone 5s with a 4 inch screen and I have no trouble reading the text on Safari websites. Why can I not read sites on a 5.5 inch Lumia screen?

    The app gap hasn't been too much of an issue for me, so is not a pull factor to go back to Android.

    All I want, is a phone with a good camera, excellent battery life, that does all the basics well at a mid-range price. I thought the 950xl might do that for me, but it is failing. Next year I think I'll be picking up the BB Keyone. It seems to tick most of the boxes.

    I don't think I will miss Live Tiles too much other than the look. I will hate the unholy mess on Android but I am hoping to keep it as simple as I can if I move across. iPhones don't do it for me aside from reliability as they charge too much and the battery is usually only average although the SE looks tempting.
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    05-05-2017 03:18 PM
  11. Drael646464's Avatar
    I don't see the app gap getting solved any time soon, unless we move away from apps entirely, which has been hinted at. UWP will not solve anything. There is no reason to develop a UWP app when your service works fine in a browser. The only reason developers would start writing Windows apps is if the market share of W10M smartphones started to be competitive. The only way I see Microsoft getting an edge in the market is if they do something to disrupt the industry that would make a Microsoft mobile device a hot commodity. Maybe that's something like ditching the candy bar and going straight to wearable or a pocket device without a dedicated screen or who knows? Something! I can tell you what it won't be: it won't be voice or VR. Those are not the future. Voice has privacy concerns, and VR is too cumbersome. If it's AI, then they have some work to do. Maybe they should team up with some partners to tap into the power of the cognitive cloud.

    Then again, maybe they should stay right where they are. Minimalism is trending.
    Well the smartphone biz is definitely at saturation now in mature markets. Last quarter only growth in budget handsets globally really. Negative growth will sink in soon, and almost everyone will be looking for the next thing.

    VR is growing pretty rapidly, though very early. Voice too. I reckon skipping the candybar might be sensible. Watch if its well implemented might gain some traction, but it'd have to be a lot better than the watches so far. Maybe using voice as a secondary input.

    Hard agent AI is a long long way off. Although pieces of cognitive code will certainly work their way into heuristic based soft AI, until its primarily learning and as complex as we are, its not true AI (hence it will take many people working together for a long time to make). In the mean time, emulation should get better though, with bits of learning strapped on.

    I don't however reckon that the lifeblood of UWP depends on mobile. If it did, there wouldn't be basically any. Its held up by tablets, notebooks etc more than phones. When windows on arm comes about, there will be good reasons to make mobile centric apps for non-smartphone devices, and that should boost the platform reliably, as no doubt the market in the east and west will be flooded with such devices after release.
    05-05-2017 09:26 PM
  12. PerfectReign's Avatar
    No more crashes and app lags while multi tasking, I mean REAL MULTI TASKING, not the fake one with Windows 10 Mobile.
    Remember, Windows Mobile just sucks less than A droid or Ios.


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    05-05-2017 09:42 PM
  13. Drael646464's Avatar
    FYI, no mobile OS other than bb10 has real-time multi-tasking. Android does have an emulation via the ram management service, but it still freezes apps (and it also uses more ram and battery due to doing so)
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    05-05-2017 10:03 PM
  14. nate0's Avatar
    FYI, no mobile OS other than bb10 has real-time multi-tasking. Android does have an emulation via the ram management service, but it still freezes apps (and it also uses more ram and battery due to doing so)
    Multi tasking, multi threading and multi processing... I think on background task multi tasking Windows Mobile does a steller job. Push notifications for instance are at least 5 9's reliable. Updates. Not sure if background tasks count though or is this referring to UI experiences/multiwindowing? Sorry I have not read the whole three yet. But what you said is true. iOS is a killer at this and why battery life is excellent on their hw.
    05-05-2017 11:04 PM
  15. Drael646464's Avatar
    Multi tasking, multi threading and multi processing... I think on background task multi tasking Windows Mobile does a steller job. Push notifications for instance are at least 5 9's reliable. Updates. Not sure if background tasks count though or is this referring to UI experiences/multiwindowing? Sorry I have not read the whole three yet. But what you said is true. iOS is a killer at this and why battery life is excellent on their hw.
    Yeah, I wasn't referring to services, like notifications. But rather "apps running at the same time, in real-time". Mobile OSes generally avoid this because its a battery hog. Android has a system where it keeps some apps in ram, still running, but sort of "decides for itself" whether to keep them there, or freeze them. However it also discourages developers from using this.

    iOS and windows 10 mobile, generally just freeze, with a few specific exceptions like music playing and navigation. BB10 runs up to eight apps real-time, its the closest to the desktop experience of multi-tasking. If you run a bb app, it keeps going no matter what it is.

    For most people, it wouldn't much matter generally getting real-time. The average person might want to keep their music going (works on all platforms), or perhaps stream something (works on some not on others).

    But the sort of power user "crunch video here, install software here, run a youtube video, whilst skyping" doesn't generally find much use on something with a tiny screen. And they both offer benefits and advantages. iOS generally has excellent battery life, and I suspect win10m would be the same. They'd also both use less ram. But the odd user might want multiple things running real-time, for which windows 10 proper and OSX are the best, and bb10 and android have a limited capacity.

    It, like most things mobile, are a series of compromises. For which compromises one wants, like the cheese block sized phablet, versus the pocket 5 incher, it depends on the user which they will find the best.

    Myself, I basically very rarely want anything real-time on a phone. Very few apps are designed to run that way anyway. Battery life is my priority there, so on a phone, I prefer a system that freezes apps. On a tablet, its a different story, and PC different again.

    The ideal smartphone system, at least until the battery life gets to a week or so (long way off lol!), would be one that actually lets the user decide between bb10s, androids, and windows10m/ios's system. A toggle that lets you choose how many apps to keep in real-time if any, and whether to throttle services and to what degree. Something like the UAC settings in windows (a slider), but with battery optimisation.

    Although for me, I'd always turn it down to the bottom.

    But if they decide to scale windows proper, via arm, onto eventually a smartphone platform, they really should do something like this. And have a setting for plugged in, versus not plugged in. This way one could have the full desktop experience, or a more battery optimised system, depending on what one wants, and whether its docked.
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    05-05-2017 11:35 PM
  16. nate0's Avatar
    The ideal smartphone system, at least until the battery life gets to a week or so (long way off lol!), would be one that actually lets the user decide between bb10s, androids, and windows10m/ios's system. A toggle that lets you choose how many apps to keep in real-time if any, and whether to throttle services and to what degree. Something like the UAC settings in windows (a slider), but with battery optimisation.

    Although for me, I'd always turn it down to the bottom.
    Thumbs up to that!

    I want to just pop a new Tesla cell in my phone sometimes :)
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    05-05-2017 11:43 PM
  17. PerfectReign's Avatar
    The text scaling on MS Edge is horrendous - it is either far too big or far too small and the scaling/text options in Settings don't work for me due to other side effects. This is a basic issue and should be fixed across the board. .
    if you can, try one of the more recent builds. Sites which looked horrid prior are now great.







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    05-06-2017 12:18 AM
  18. EliteMikes's Avatar
    I hate to admit it but I am feeling the app gap a bit and I'm missing my music streaming apps like slacker radio, BUT and a big but is that android might have a gazillion apps which are mostly the same apps just regurgitated ones and (ALL) every single one is spyware! they ALL ask for permission to have access to your IDENTITY, cameras, mics, contacts, emails, SMS, photos/media files, calendar and a plethora of other privacy invasive stuff! just as an example I wanted to install windows tiles launcher app called squarehome 2 so my spydroid can at least feel like my L950 and wm10 and it wanted access to everything! EVERYTHING!!! how in da hell can you spydroid fans or users put up with this crap? are you so desperate to have apps that your willing to give up your privacy and have your lives spied on? REALLY??? not including every person on your contacts is now on a data base... sorry but I would rather be missing some Apps than give up my privacy... then lets not forget the unscrupulous amounts of ads that we are bombarded with in these said apps, sorry but I get enough of that crap when I go on the internet... so for as long as I can I'm gonna stick with my L950... till I can get me either a HP Elite X3 or the new surface phone or whatever they plan on calling it...
    The problem with permissions is they aren't granular enough, but with square home2, it needs those permissions to be able to have it's widgets work.
    05-06-2017 07:50 AM
  19. EliteMikes's Avatar
    This is another win for android. MS has completely failed with media apps on the xbox one as well. I've found that just using the Chromecast controlled by the phone is much much better than the experience offered on xbox native apps. The fact that MS hasn't released something like this is mind boggling, it would be the perfect thing for project Rome and their UWP apps. Smartglass and the xbox one app (UWP, android, iOS) suck, unless you are a die hard gamer.


    MS has more failures than successes if you really think about it. Windows 10 isn't the failure that 8 was, but they won't reach their goal of installs. UWP isn't taking off anytime fast, I don't have high hopes that BUILD brings great news on that front. Features that should have been around since day 1 (Onedrive placeholders, roaming profiles). Live tiles are just plain stupid on the start screen, the notification system is more annoying than anything else.

    Windows 10 still beats the competition in most areas, mostly because there is no competition. Anyone that tries to tell someone that Linux is usable needs their head checked. I don't think Apple is serious about the desktop any longer. I can tell you that working in an environment where we have a mix of windows, Linux and macs that the mac experience on the active domain is a disaster.

    If the unicorn that is the all in one windows mobile device ever comes to be, it will destroy the competition in the enterprise.
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    05-06-2017 08:13 AM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    This is another win for android. MS has completely failed with media apps on the xbox one as well. I've found that just using the Chromecast controlled by the phone is much much better than the experience offered on xbox native apps. The fact that MS hasn't released something like this is mind boggling, it would be the perfect thing for project Rome and their UWP apps. Smartglass and the xbox one app (UWP, android, iOS) suck, unless you are a die hard gamer.


    MS has more failures than successes if you really think about it. Windows 10 isn't the failure that 8 was, but they won't reach their goal of installs. UWP isn't taking off anytime fast, I don't have high hopes that BUILD brings great news on that front. Features that should have been around since day 1 (Onedrive placeholders, roaming profiles). Live tiles are just plain stupid on the start screen, the notification system is more annoying than anything else.

    Windows 10 still beats the competition in most areas, mostly because there is no competition. Anyone that tries to tell someone that Linux is usable needs their head checked. I don't think Apple is serious about the desktop any longer. I can tell you that working in an environment where we have a mix of windows, Linux and macs that the mac experience on the active domain is a disaster.

    If the unicorn that is the all in one windows mobile device ever comes to be, it will destroy the competition in the enterprise.
    If you add the number of console users, to windows 10 users and then consider that all those windows 7 and 8 users when they upgrade their machines will have to go with windows 10 (new intel chips don't support 7 or 8)- of course MS will make its billion. It's already at 400,000. Windows 7 alone comprises about 500,000. It's inevitable really. If they can continue to grow tablet market share at the rate its growing or perhaps even faster, especially with arm coming, it'll happen sooner.

    MS have basically built a one way street for desktop, and are working on notebook and tablet market shares. I don't personally see how it can not happen. It would require someone to create a comparably powerful software offering on desktop, laptop and tablet. Google don't have a shot really with their software funding model being based on phones. Apple seems to have got distracted by soon to dry up premium phone sales, and have done little to focus on their desktop offerings, outside of the MacBook.

    I guess there's a chance someone distrupts that process, but its pretty damn well strategized commercially.

    Going to be such an amazing year for MS fans. We have the invoke, windows on arm, some new mystery piece of hardware, Cortana api, and probably even more we don't know about.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 05-06-2017 at 09:13 AM.
    05-06-2017 08:59 AM
  21. matt john2's Avatar
    IMO loyal Windows fans/users are declining. There are a lot of people I know personally that are really pissed on what Microsoft is heading to with their current Windows 10. Some of them have already switched to Linux as their main OS, myself included.
    And only using Windows for some specific task like photo editing.

    I disagree on Linux being unusable, there is a steep learning curve but that's just it.
    And if you're willing to do it you can even game on Linux thanks to the power of Virtualisation. - My 2 cents
    05-06-2017 01:29 PM
  22. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think the more surface devices, laptops, etc. that get out there will only increase the number of users. The education push is brilliant as it will create users for life. MS is thinking long term.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    05-06-2017 01:43 PM
  23. EliteMikes's Avatar
    I disagree on Linux being unusable, there is a steep learning curve but that's just it.
    And if you're willing to do it you can even game on Linux thanks to the power of Virtualisation. - My 2 cents
    You described the exact problem with Linux. There is a learning curve and for the average person they aren't going to take the time to learn it. Some people aren't capable of learning it. I play with the major flavors of it at work and there is not one that I'd recommend to my parents or younger non technical friends.
    05-06-2017 02:05 PM
  24. EliteMikes's Avatar
    Going to be such an amazing year for MS fans. We have the invoke, windows on arm, some new mystery piece of hardware, Cortana api, and probably even more we don't know about.
    It's going to be the same as it always is. MS announces something that sounds great then they completely drop the ball. I'm done holding onto hope that things will get better. Even the new surface laptop is a joke without at least 1 usb-c port IMO.

    MS dips there toes into some technology then backs away abruptly. My only hope right now is they make windows 10 rock solid. All I want from it is a tabable windows explorer and virtual desktops that will maintain their state on reboots. That's it. Strip out notifications, strip out live tiles.
    05-06-2017 02:16 PM
  25. Drael646464's Avatar
    It's going to be the same as it always is. MS announces something that sounds great then they completely drop the ball. I'm done holding onto hope that things will get better. Even the new surface laptop is a joke without at least 1 usb-c port IMO.

    MS dips there toes into some technology then backs away abruptly. My only hope right now is they make windows 10 rock solid. All I want from it is a tabable windows explorer and virtual desktops that will maintain their state on reboots. That's it. Strip out notifications, strip out live tiles.
    Pretty sure tabbing in explorer is on its way. Not sure I agree with this "dips it toes and then retreats" narrative. MS seems to have fully committed to AR/MR/VR. They continue to work on Cortana. They have released numerous hybrid form factors.

    As for usb-c, sure its great, but very few uses for it yet. USB 2, type a sticks, may still being used in ten years for all we seem to actually be changing. So for students I understand that choice.

    I guess an OS is a very large task. They are still trying to adapt windows 10 for virtual reality, increased voice capacity, while tweaking features in the OS, even at a software level there are a lot of balls in the air. I'm sure we'll get feature updates over time, but of course some of these are future minded - MS really can't afford to sit on its laurels, it has to stay ahead of the curve to survive.

    Ultimately they need to future proof their OS with voice, virtual reality, and the capacity to scale from no screen to small screen up to large screen. That's sort of a herculean task. While the desktop format will likely always exist in some form or other, and windows has a stronghold there right now, commercially speaking its not enough to rest there. A company grows, or it shrinks really.

    Have you put your suggestions separately into "feedback", btw?
    05-06-2017 10:15 PM
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