07-21-2017 10:14 PM
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  1. ghese's Avatar
    So here's the situation. I've been a huge fan of Windows. Been using Windows mobile, Windows phone and Windows 10 mobile.

    Last phone I got was the Lumia 950XL. Appart from the lackluster build-quality (the mozo leather case kinda made it more bearable), I was extremely satisfied With it. Especially the continuum feature. (Connecting to my Xbox, using Remote desktop to Connect to my University and run matlab and do other School work on my TV. Now that's some great value).

    However, I managed to crack up my screen and it's only a matter of time till water seeps in and ruins the Whole phone. It's already started to act up. So I need to find myself a New phone before my 950xl is completely dead.

    1) Get the iPhone 7:
    - Pricey but somewhat future proof
    - Con: No headphone Jack. It's like a huge deal-breaker. I use a headphone to Connect to Xbox, Laptop and School PCs. Having a headphone With Apple proprietary Connection is extremely unpractical.
    Solution: Use an adaptor. But the practicality is questionable

    2) Get the iPhone SE:
    - Way cheaper. Could be a fine temporary phone till Microsoft hopefully releases a Surface Phone.
    - Good battery-life.
    - Con: The front-facing camera is only 1.2 MP. I do use the front-facing camera alot.

    3) Get the iPhone 6s:
    - It's got everything I need. But costs way more than the SE. While it's not as future-proof as iPhone 7.

    4) Wait another 3 months for iPhone 7s:
    - They may consider adding the headphone Jack back in??
    - Extremely future proof, even if it's going to be extremely pricey
    - Not sure if the 950XL will last another 3 months.

    Those seem to be my options as of now. Being deprived of apps, if I'm buying a New phone, if it's anything but Windows, I want the best app experience. Apps on iOS are without any doubt far better than those on Android. Android just has the app-count to boast about, the quality on those apps are aweful! Not to mention the Android lag that would be too obvious on non-flagship Phones. Not to mention the delay in getting Notifications and so on. I just can't stand Android for everyday use, it's just so inconsistent

    Please help me, I'm so lost.
    05-28-2017 05:46 PM
  2. libra89's Avatar
    Before I give my answer, how big is this crack? Sometimes tempered glass screen protectors can kind of "absorb" small cracks so you wouldn't have to worry about water getting in.

    The front camera on the SE isn't too bad, it might be a nice stopgap for now if the crack is big. Unless you can find a good deal on the 6s, I recommend the SE.
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    05-28-2017 05:58 PM
  3. ghese's Avatar
    Before I give my answer, how big is this crack? Sometimes tempered glass screen protectors can kind of "absorb" small cracks so you wouldn't have to worry about water getting in.

    The front camera on the SE isn't too bad, it might be a nice stopgap for now if the crack is big. Unless you can find a good deal on the 6s, I recommend the SE.
    I'd say the crack is huge, With some deeper areas. It's the first time I manage to crack a screen like this, so I might also be exhaggerating a bit. I've definetly seen worse cracks on Phones.

    And are you sure about the front facing camera on SE? I mean, the phone is Perfect in every other sense for that price. But 1.2 MP does sound really bad compared to the 5 mp I'm used to on 950XL.
    05-28-2017 07:04 PM
  4. libra89's Avatar
    I'd say the crack is huge, With some deeper areas. It's the first time I manage to crack a screen like this, so I might also be exhaggerating a bit. I've definetly seen worse cracks on Phones.

    And are you sure about the front facing camera on SE? I mean, the phone is Perfect in every other sense for that price. But 1.2 MP does sound really bad compared to the 5 mp I'm used to on 950XL.
    Ooh, in that case about the crack, that doesn't sound good.

    For context, I have both phones (the 950 (not the XL but same cameras of course) and the SE). In situations with low light, the SE's camera isn't so good but it does have retina flash, which can help sometimes in those situations. The 950s on the other hand has more detail in low light situations, even though it doesn't have any kind of flash at all.

    So it really depends on your lighting situations where you plan to use the camera. If you're always planning to use it in situations with low light, I would advise skipping the SE.

    Edit: http://forums.imore.com/iphone-se/36...ctures-se.html

    If you have a moment, please browse this thread. There are some pictures taken with the front camera there. Hopefully that helps you some.
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    05-28-2017 07:44 PM
  5. PerfectReign's Avatar
    FWIW, I'm leaning towards the Rotten Apple also.

    I disliked Windows Mobile until 8, and disliked the tiny Iphone and Cult of Jobs even more. However, I eventually got sick of Android and switched to Windows Mobile 8.1 and 10. It just sucks less than the competition.

    Lately though, the app gap has become a productivity issue. Also, seeing my Microsoft reps enjoy a better experience on their Iphones than I have on my Elite X3, has made me doubt.

    Maybe my sons and their friends are onto something with their Iphones...

    http://www.perfectreign.com/2017/05/iphone/

    Sent from mTalk
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    05-28-2017 08:12 PM
  6. TgeekB's Avatar
    The iPhone SE is an exceptional phone. Easy to carry around, fast, excellent battery life. I haven't used the front facing camera so if selfies are important to you it might be a drawback. I can't see it as a negative though.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    05-29-2017 07:29 AM
  7. Drael646464's Avatar
    There's some good deals on unlocked alcatel 4s pros on ebay, if w10m still interests you. Camera ain't quite as good, but speakers are apparently amazing, processer/ram is better.

    People who use the SE seem pretty happy with it. And being HP intends to release a new x3 by all indications (they are working with MS of new 10m productivity features, and some photo leaks of different looking phones are around), the price of the current x3 will probably come down when it drops.

    There's also some odds (not as certain as a new x3) that alcatel will release a refresh too - they have a new android, and their pattern last time was to re-use the hardware for windows, and blackdroid as well.

    I expect there will be at least a new flagship or two, in the fall.

    Any surface phone, I suspect will not be a slab. It won't drop this year most likely, and it'll IMO probably be something like a detachable clamshell, or something unusual. Worth keeping in mind, if your waiting for a MS phone, its going to be "out of the box". It also may be pricey.

    So yeah, I wouldn't "wait for a surface phone". I'd try and find something decent to tide you over for what could be two years. Of course you need a phone soon. SE might be the gap filler. Cricket has it cheap (locked) if your one of those US folks.
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    05-29-2017 08:14 AM
  8. docsp1's Avatar
    If you consider an Android phone Security is a problem
    http://m.androidcentral.com/cloak-da...-you-need-know
    05-29-2017 08:15 AM
  9. xandros9's Avatar
    Moved to Phone Wars.

    If anyone is considering Android with security as a high-priority, go Pixel, BlackBerry or phone with Lineage OS support.
    The others, if you buy high-end aren't as bad but they're not great. There's a lot of bad Android phones but they cast a shadow over the good ones like cheap Windows laptops from back in the day.

    Anyways regarding the original post...

    Apple is NOT adding a headphone jack back in. They stick to their guns.

    I would think the SE is the way to go, unless the size is an issue. If I had to go iOS, I'd go with an SE.
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    05-29-2017 07:39 PM
  10. ghese's Avatar
    Thanks for the responses guys. As for Android, I just can't bear it. Even when I tried out the S8, the lag was apparent. The thing is, With Windows, the apps may sometimes show the loading screen when multitasking, But that's consistent. It may be slower at launching apps when comparesd side to side With a New android flagship. But it's always consistent. You know what to expect. Android on the other hand, the lag and delays are so random. It's just hopeless to use.

    But thanks again guys! Tried out the Se at store, the front facing camera wasn't too bad, at least in good lighting.
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    05-29-2017 07:57 PM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Thanks for the responses guys. As for Android, I just can't bear it. Even when I tried out the S8, the lag was apparent. The thing is, With Windows, the apps may sometimes show the loading screen when multitasking, But that's consistent. It may be slower at launching apps when comparesd side to side With a New android flagship. But it's always consistent. You know what to expect. Android on the other hand, the lag and delays are so random. It's just hopeless to use.

    But thanks again guys! Tried out the Se at store, the front facing camera wasn't too bad, at least in good lighting.
    Must just be Samsung because I don't have any of these issues.

    Anyway, best of luck with your choice of phone. :)
    05-30-2017 03:24 AM
  12. tdbmoss's Avatar
    If you like the 950 XL then why not get it repaired, or if too expensive then get another 950 XL? You can probably still find new 950 XLs, or there are obviously plenty of used ones around too.

    If you really want to go iPhone, wait until they refresh them in September as the prices always drop on the current ones when the new one is released each year - if you need a temporary phone the x2x Lumias e.g. 625 (great budget phone in my opinion) are very cheap these days and run W10M fine.
    05-30-2017 09:36 AM
  13. Drael646464's Avatar
    Must just be Samsung because I don't have any of these issues.

    Anyway, best of luck with your choice of phone. :)
    Nah android has this weird habit of running fluid most of the time, and then suddenly having large slow downs on particular activities. Its not just Samsung. Might be the app interface, dunno. But I've seen it on a wide variety of android devices, and across different versions/flavours.
    05-30-2017 09:47 AM
  14. libra89's Avatar
    Nah android has this weird habit of running fluid most of the time, and then suddenly having large slow downs on particular activities. Its not just Samsung. Might be the app interface, dunno. But I've seen it on a wide variety of android devices, and across different versions/flavours.
    You're talking to the wrong guy. He recently got a new Android phone but he had his previous phone for years so him saying that is not incorrect.
    05-30-2017 11:09 AM
  15. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I've been using the same Android device, a Moto X Pure Edition, 1½ years now, and mine hasn't had those issues. I've never done a FDR since I've had it.
    05-30-2017 11:52 AM
  16. Guytronic's Avatar
    No slowdowns or stutters here on Android either.
    3 years ago yes...not on my last 4-5 Androids at all.
    05-30-2017 12:18 PM
  17. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Nah android has this weird habit of running fluid most of the time, and then suddenly having large slow downs on particular activities. Its not just Samsung. Might be the app interface, dunno. But I've seen it on a wide variety of android devices, and across different versions/flavours.
    I've been using android for over three years now. I moved over from a 920, it was a bit of a lemon for me.

    I've had no issues with my old or new phone. The newer version of android is even better than the one I had previously.

    All companies have lemon phones. Also a lot issues with android is people using off market apps.

    To each their own though. I'm not for dissing companies or tech. I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to that.

    At the end of the day, it's about what I want and how I work with it that matters.
    05-30-2017 03:40 PM
  18. Drael646464's Avatar
    I've been using android for over three years now. I moved over from a 920, it was a bit of a lemon for me.

    I've had no issues with my old or new phone. The newer version of android is even better than the one I had previously.

    All companies have lemon phones. Also a lot issues with android is people using off market apps.

    To each their own though. I'm not for dissing companies or tech. I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to that.

    At the end of the day, it's about what I want and how I work with it that matters.
    So your saying nothing has ever taken a long time to load an app? Like just suddenly out of the blue?

    Maybe they fixed this somewhat with 6.0 *shrug* (although it seems app specific). Or are these all phones with very large amounts of ram, like more than 3gb? Or do they have custom app loaders (app loaders seem to often be unstable).

    IDK, that's interesting to me. I wonder whats different specifically with you guys phones, from the device's I've had experience with. I've not yet used an android device (any) that doesn't experience this, am curious.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 05-30-2017 at 10:49 PM.
    05-30-2017 10:37 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    So your saying nothing has ever taken a long time to load an app? Like just suddenly out of the blue?

    Maybe they fixed this somewhat with 6.0 *shrug* (although it seems app specific). Or are these all phones with very large amounts of ram, like more than 3gb? Or do they have custom app loaders (app loaders seem to often be unstable).

    IDK, that's interesting to me. I wonder whats different specifically with you guys phones, from the device's I've had experience with. I've not yet used an android device (any) that doesn't experience this, am curious.
    That hasn't happened to me, and I over 250 apps on my device.
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    05-30-2017 11:11 PM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    That hasn't happened to me, and I over 250 apps on my device.
    Lol, how many of them do you actually use?
    05-30-2017 11:36 PM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Lol, how many of them do you actually use?
    I have 25 different apps just for music, and I use them all at least once a week. I recently uninstalled 25 apps I wasn't using.
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    05-31-2017 12:16 AM
  22. Drael646464's Avatar
    I have 25 different apps just for music, and I use them all at least once a week. I recently uninstalled 25 apps I wasn't using.
    You must be a hardcore streamer!
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    05-31-2017 01:10 AM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    So your saying nothing has ever taken a long time to load an app? Like just suddenly out of the blue?
    The only app issues I ever have is due to the app and not the OS. That's typical of any platform though. Sometimes apps 'break'. The developer typically gets roasted for it in the reviews too.

    Not to pick on Samsung but their interface skin has always been a bit heavy, even though it's been trimmed a lot, it's still not perfect. The other issue with Samsung is they pre-load a lot of apps that you can't delete, only disable. They're still good devices though.

    I would have bought a Pixel but I couldn't justify the cost and I wasn't a fan of the overall design. That's personal choice though.

    So I typically buy the phones that have the cleanest interface and if I feel like it I put a launcher on or theme it. It's mostly mood based.

    Then there's the apps. I like going through the Play store and seeing what's there. Sometimes I install apps just to see what they're like. I'm curious that way.

    Truth is, my habits on Android are different than what they were on Windows Phone/Mobile. I typically left my interface alone and the Store was always a bit depressing.

    So that's why I'm on Android.
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    05-31-2017 01:32 AM
  24. ghese's Avatar
    The Android lag will become apparent when you start using a different platform. And it's not Limited to apps loading or breaking. It's more random than that. Like pressing the home button and sometimes getting there instantly, and some other times for no reason, wait 2 Seconds to get to the homescreen. Sometimes the widgets takes longer to load up. Or it might be the scrolling that stutters for no reason, in browsers, play store or even those widget side panels. You can even see this happen to S8s on reviews (The reviewers usually just brush it off or pretends tht they didn't see it, but you can see it happening if you observe carefully).

    Want to see a prime example of Android holding back great hardware? There's no doubt about S8 being beautiful and powerful hardware (it's got 4 GB RAM). Check out videos comparing the S8 With the SE(it's got 2 GB RAM). The SE is consitant and mostly on par and sometimes even faster at loading up apps and running them smoothly. Heck, even games load up faster on the SE and the Graphics(not talking about resolution) on those games are better on iOS. And we're talking about SE that's been in use for 1 year versus a New S8. That just speaks volumes about how lackluster Android is.
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    05-31-2017 07:33 PM
  25. ghese's Avatar
    No slowdowns or stutters here on Android either.
    3 years ago yes...not on my last 4-5 Androids at all.
    So in the last 3 years, you've had 5 different Android Phones. That's probably why you couldn't see the degradation of Android's performance over time.
    05-31-2017 07:44 PM
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