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  1. TgeekB's Avatar
    Mind you, you bought it on a carrier. You'll be paying for that phone for a while. Outside the USA we don't buy phones on contracts. And so I never *ever* think about carrier prices of phones. When I say an iPhone is overpriced, I'm looking at the real price of the device, bought from Apple (or any tech retailer), without a carrier in the middle.
    The iPhone SE, for example, costs three times the price you paid if you buy it normally.


    More than advising against Apple's terrible hardware and software though, I advise everyone against buying phones from carriers or on contracts of any sort :P
    That's actually incorrect. Cricket does not have contracts. That's the actual price. I only pay $35 per month for 4gb data, unlimited texts and calls. The phone cost $199 outright.
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    06-18-2017 11:15 AM
  2. Byrese's Avatar
    Mind you, you bought it on a carrier. You'll be paying for that phone for a while. Outside the USA we don't buy phones on contracts. And so I never *ever* think about carrier prices of phones. When I say an iPhone is overpriced, I'm looking at the real price of the device, bought from Apple (or any tech retailer), without a carrier in the middle.
    The iPhone SE, for example, costs three times the price you paid if you buy it normally.


    More than advising against Apple's terrible hardware and software though, I advise everyone against buying phones from carriers or on contracts of any sort :P
    I hear you. I bought a Note 5 on contract about a year and a half ago. It recently stopped sending text and had some other problems that made it un-usable. But of course I still hasn't paid it off. And because of a crack it got from a good fall recently, I could trade it back in. So I'm still paying for a phone that doesn't work. Smh (in the mean time I bought an Honor 8 at a good price)'

    before this I always bought my phones out right, took care of them, and sold them 6-8 months later. I'll NEVER doing a contract again.
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    06-18-2017 04:45 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Mind you, you bought it on a carrier. You'll be paying for that phone for a while. Outside the USA we don't buy phones on contracts. And so I never *ever* think about carrier prices of phones. When I say an iPhone is overpriced, I'm looking at the real price of the device, bought from Apple (or any tech retailer), without a carrier in the middle.
    The iPhone SE, for example, costs three times the price you paid if you buy it normally.


    More than advising against Apple's terrible hardware and software though, I advise everyone against buying phones from carriers or on contracts of any sort :P

    Cricket is an MVNO of AT&T - there are no contracts. The price you pay for their phones is the full price since they offer no financing. After 4 months of service you are entitled to get an unlock code, if you want to call that a "catch".
    Last edited by fatclue_98; 06-18-2017 at 06:00 PM.
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    06-18-2017 05:05 PM
  4. DJCBS's Avatar
    That's actually incorrect. Cricket does not have contracts. That's the actual price. I only pay $35 per month for 4gb data, unlimited texts and calls. The phone cost $199 outright.
    If you're paying 35 bucks a month for 4GB of date, mate, you ARE paying the rest of the phone. I pay a third of that for 5GB of data (plus 5GB extra for YouTube streaming and most apps consumption don't count to that data). Plus the free texts, calls etc.

    See, that's the problem Americans have. You're so accustomed to being ripped off by your carriers, you no longer notice it ;)
    06-18-2017 06:25 PM
  5. TgeekB's Avatar
    If you're paying 35 bucks a month for 4GB of date, mate, you ARE paying the rest of the phone. I pay a third of that for 5GB of data (plus 5GB extra for YouTube streaming and most apps consumption don't count to that data). Plus the free texts, calls etc.

    See, that's the problem Americans have. You're so accustomed to being ripped off by your carriers, you no longer notice it ;)
    Wrong again, mate.
    That's an extremely good price in the U.S. Don't know where you're from but I'm not moving to your country to save a few bucks on my cell phone bill. The phone cost $199 outright and you can spin it any way you want to try to hate on iPhone but you're still wrong.
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    06-18-2017 06:31 PM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    See, that's the problem Americans have. You're so accustomed to being ripped off by your carriers, you no longer notice it ;)
    Yes, for the most part we do pay more for cell phone service than a lot of the rest of the world. That's just a cost of being an American!

    Also, contracts are pretty much gone here. Carriers do finance phones, but it doesn't cost any extra. Your cost is the same whether you pay it all up front or pay monthly for two years. At any time you are free to pay off the balance and leave. You are not under contract.
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    06-18-2017 07:02 PM
  7. cmattau90's Avatar
    I'm about done too with no new phones on the horizon, especially on Verizon. There are a couple of apps I need for work too. Since I have an iPad, I'll go with iPhone. I don't like the childish icons and lack of a dark theme (rumor is iOS 11 will have one), but all the MS services work well. I'll never have anything Android because I hate and do not trust google, period.
    06-18-2017 10:03 PM
  8. Ryujingt3's Avatar
    I had iPhone, I sold it to get Windows Phone 8, with no regrets. I later got an Android, sold that too due to lack of software updates, horrible UI and notification system and went back to Windows Phone.

    Out of interest, did you pick iOS or Android?
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    06-19-2017 09:28 AM
  9. Guzzler3's Avatar
    I've been down the iOS road. Absolutely hated it. One of the most frustrating and boring OS's I've ever dealt with.

    I jumped ship to Android with a Motorola G4+. Why Motorola? They were one of the few manufactures that I think has a better track record for providing timely OS updates. I bought it out-right, refurbished. It's a good phone. Not great, but good, for the price.

    Trying to setup the MS apps wasn't to bad, except for the contacts with Outlook. That took some work and trial and error to get them into the system. OneDrive is still quirky. I can't quite get it sync everything properly. Pictures and files fine, but saved SMS pictures is eluding me.

    I kept hearing that MS app experience was really good on, and in some ways superior than on WM. I beg to differ. Outlook on WM is MUCH easier to use (I still have my old WM phone and use it to compare).

    Three things I REALLY, really, miss from WM:
    One, live tiles. I never realized how good a design concept it is, till I didn't have it.

    Two: Predictive text. WM with Cortana kicks Android's butt. With Cortana I could just about carry a complete conversation with the predicted words above the keyboard. With Android... I still have to type a couple of letters before the right word comes up above the keyboard. Even then it doesn't show the proper variants till I keep typing.

    Three: SMS text to speech/speech to text over wired or Bluetooth. It's BUILT in the operating system! Android, you have to get an App for it. And I tried several of them none of them equaled what's already built in WM. When driving or riding my motorcycle, SMS text to speech (and vice verse) is much needed.

    I want to jump BACK to WM so badly, but I have work apps that aren't available in WM (iOS or Android only). So I'm stuck with what I've got.
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    06-19-2017 09:51 AM
  10. DJCBS's Avatar
    Wrong again, mate.
    That's an extremely good price in the U.S. Don't know where you're from but I'm not moving to your country to save a few bucks on my cell phone bill. The phone cost $199 outright and you can spin it any way you want to try to hate on iPhone but you're still wrong.
    You can move to any country that it's not the US. It'll be the same.

    And I don't need to spin it to be right. I just need to go to Apple's own website to prove you that NO, the iPhone SE isn't 199 dollars. It's at best 399$ https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphon...00,20,32,40,60

    The rest of the phone your carrier is charging you via the price of the service they offer. You can fool yourself whatever way you want. And this isn't hating on the iPhone. It's applicable to ANY phone. You're NOT getting a bargain. You're paying for the phone indirectly. Even if you refuse to see it ;)
    06-19-2017 01:51 PM
  11. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Yes, for the most part we do pay more for cell phone service than a lot of the rest of the world. That's just a cost of being an American!

    Also, contracts are pretty much gone here. Carriers do finance phones, but it doesn't cost any extra. Your cost is the same whether you pay it all up front or pay monthly for two years. At any time you are free to pay off the balance and leave. You are not under contract.
    Ha! Have you looked at T-Mobile? Or the others? T-Mobile drops the monthly cost by the monthly cost of the phone once it’s paid off. The other carriers do the same, however, they charge extra on top of the regular price so you essentially pay double for the phone and that’s why those carriers let you upgrade once a year.
    06-19-2017 01:53 PM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    You can move to any country that it's not the US. It'll be the same.

    And I don't need to spin it to be right. I just need to go to Apple's own website to prove you that NO, the iPhone SE isn't 199 dollars. It's at best 399$ https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphon...00,20,32,40,60

    The rest of the phone your carrier is charging you via the price of the service they offer. You can fool yourself whatever way you want. And this isn't hating on the iPhone. It's applicable to ANY phone. You're NOT getting a bargain. You're paying for the phone indirectly. Even if you refuse to see it ;)
    OK, this if fun. 😁

    I am not on contract and can leave Cricket tomorrow if I wish and take the phone with me. Though its locked to their network for a few months everyone knows how to get a phone unlocked, correct?
    So if I leave and take the phone, how will they get this mysterious amount of money you talk about from me? That only works if you are on a contract which Cricket doesn't have. They have about the lowest prices in the country so......$35 per month instead of $80 which I was paying AT$T a couple of years ago. $199 for a phone instead of $399 from Apple (we all know the phones don't really cost the retail price). That's a savings of $200 for the phone and $45 per month for service. That seems like a bargain to me.

    What should I have done, paid full retail price from Apple?

    Your turn. 😉

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    06-19-2017 02:17 PM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    Here's a little info on how much an iPhone SE costs to make. Even at $199 they're making money.

    http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...to-buy-1318326
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    06-19-2017 02:45 PM
  14. paul87russell's Avatar
    I still have my 1520 as a sidephone and Android as my main phone because i like the customizability. If you want ease of use then apple surely is the way to go.
    06-20-2017 01:03 AM
  15. Drael646464's Avatar
    I pay ~13.50 USD dollars per month pre-pay for 1 gig data, unlimited texts and 200 minutes of calling. I mostly use data around the home though, via wifi. But sometimes 500mb would do. I don't live in the US.
    I always do unlocked, and avoid contracts but...

    If you get 4gb that seems reasonable to me, given data is generally expensive. And if it doesn't cost much to unlike, and your on their only a few months, that doesn't seem to bad.

    But now that someone has mentioned cheaper prices somewhere else in the world, is got me wondering where its cheaper, and how cheap....

    In the SE, its a curious beast. It was released later than the 950, but here, retails generally lower. But if you know where to buy it, it can be had for around the same price as the discounted 950, 200 bucks.

    I guess perhaps this is because its smaller, and it can't do ios 11. Not really sure, not being an apple person why the SE is comparatively "cheap".

    The ram is okay, for ios. The screen seems pretty decent. Camera shots look quite good actually in daylight at least. Only question for me would be internal storage. Apple phones don't come with microsd do they?

    16gb would be far too little. Without microSD, for me even 64 would be to small. 128 gb would do it though.

    I'm already reaching the limits of my phones storage. I'm considering getting a 128 gb sd card, and I've already got a 128gb usb for my continuum dock (for a portable media collection) 64gb microSD and 32hn of internal storage. Did not think I'd ever use so much space on a phone!
    But once you've got a decent music collection, videos, pictures, apps, games....it all fills up pretty fast.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 06-20-2017 at 06:45 AM.
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    06-20-2017 06:31 AM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    I pay ~13.50 USD dollars per month pre-pay for 1 gig data, unlimited texts and 200 minutes of calling. I mostly use data around the home though, via wifi. But sometimes 500mb would do. I don't live in the US.
    I always do unlocked, and avoid contracts but...

    If you get 4gb that seems reasonable to me, given data is generally expensive. And if it doesn't cost much to unlike, and your on their only a few months, that doesn't seem to bad.

    But now that someone has mentioned cheaper prices somewhere else in the world, is got me wondering where its cheaper, and how cheap....

    In the SE, its a curious beast. It was released later than the 950, but here, retails generally lower. But if you know where to buy it, it can be had for around the same price as the discounted 950, 200 bucks.

    I guess perhaps this is because its smaller, and it can't do ios 11. Not really sure, not being an apple person why the SE is comparatively "cheap".

    The ram is okay, for ios. The screen seems pretty decent. Camera shots look quite good actually in daylight at least. Only question for me would be internal storage. Apple phones don't come with microsd do they?

    16gb would be far too little. Without microSD, for me even 64 would be to small. 128 gb would do it though.

    I'm already reaching the limits of my phones storage. I'm considering getting a 128 gb sd card, and I've already got a 128gb usb for my continuum dock (for a portable media collection) 64gb microSD and 32hn of internal storage. Did not think I'd ever use so much space on a phone!
    But once you've got a decent music collection, videos, pictures, apps, games....it all fills up pretty fast.
    All countries see to have different prices, that's just the way it goes I guess. You have to shop for the best deal.

    BTW, the SE is upgradeable to iOS 11. Its on the official list. Anything 5s and newer will work.

    As far as storage, I have the 32gb version which is plenty for me. I have lots of music and pics on it with room left over. Everything else is on OneDrive. MS (everyone really) seems to be pushing the cloud so I wonder if their "new" devices, whenever they show up, will be cloud based or have sd cards. It will be interesting to see.

    Anyway, though I had used an iPhone in the past, I want exactly a big fan. But I have to tell you, for $200, this is a nice little device that will hold me over while we wait to see what MS produces.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    Last edited by TgeekB; 06-20-2017 at 08:16 AM.
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    06-20-2017 07:54 AM
  17. DJCBS's Avatar
    OK, this if fun.

    I am not on contract and can leave Cricket tomorrow if I wish and take the phone with me. Though its locked to their network for a few months everyone knows how to get a phone unlocked, correct?
    So if I leave and take the phone, how will they get this mysterious amount of money you talk about from me? That only works if you are on a contract which Cricket doesn't have. They have about the lowest prices in the country so......$35 per month instead of $80 which I was paying AT$T a couple of years ago. $199 for a phone instead of $399 from Apple (we all know the phones don't really cost the retail price). That's a savings of $200 for the phone and $45 per month for service. That seems like a bargain to me.

    What should I have done, paid full retail price from Apple?

    Your turn.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4


    " Though its locked to their network for a few months everyone knows how to get a phone unlocked, correct?
    So if I leave and take the phone, how will they get this mysterious amount of money you talk about from me?"

    This is answered with ONE word: Court.

    You're violating a legal contract and finding an alternative way to circumvent the conditions for sale of the device. You don't need a cellular data contract to have entered a contract with Cricket. You did so the moment you purchased the phone.

    Your turn. ;)
    06-20-2017 10:22 AM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    " Though its locked to their network for a few months everyone knows how to get a phone unlocked, correct?
    So if I leave and take the phone, how will they get this mysterious amount of money you talk about from me?"

    This is answered with ONE word: Court.

    You're violating a legal contract and finding an alternative way to circumvent the conditions for sale of the device. You don't need a cellular data contract to have entered a contract with Cricket. You did so the moment you purchased the phone.

    Your turn. ;)
    Wow, now you're reaching!

    Ok, I know someone who called Cricket after 1 month of owning it and they unlocked it for them. That's scenario #1 .
    Next, lets say I wait the 3 months. I'm not being charged any more so I lose nothing and then get it unlocked. That's scenario #2 .
    I know eventually we have to give up going back and forth but I appreciate you being good natured about it!
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    06-20-2017 10:28 AM
  19. fatclue_98's Avatar
    All countries see to have different prices, that's just the way it goes I guess. You have to shop for the best deal.

    BTW, the SE is upgradeable to iOS 11. Its on the official list. Anything 5s and newer will work.

    As far as storage, I have the 32gb version which is plenty for me. I have lots of music and pics on it with room left over. Everything else is on OneDrive. MS (everyone really) seems to be pushing the cloud so I wonder if their "new" devices, whenever they show up, will be cloud based or have sd cards. It will be interesting to see.

    Anyway, though I had used an iPhone in the past, I want exactly a big fan. But I have to tell you, for $200, this is a nice little device that will hold me over while we wait to see what MS produces.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    The SE is a great little device. For my eyes, that's the problem.
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    06-20-2017 10:28 AM
  20. TgeekB's Avatar
    The SE is a great little device. For my eyes, that's the problem.
    Well it looks like you wear glasses like me so I understand.
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    06-20-2017 10:30 AM
  21. DJCBS's Avatar
    In the SE, its a curious beast. It was released later than the 950, but here, retails generally lower. But if you know where to buy it, it can be had for around the same price as the discounted 950, 200 bucks.

    I guess perhaps this is because its smaller, and it can't do ios 11. Not really sure, not being an apple person why the SE is comparatively "cheap".

    The ram is okay, for ios. The screen seems pretty decent. Camera shots look quite good actually in daylight at least. Only question for me would be internal storage. Apple phones don't come with microsd do they?

    16gb would be far too little. Without microSD, for me even 64 would be to small. 128 gb would do it though.

    I'm already reaching the limits of my phones storage. I'm considering getting a 128 gb sd card, and I've already got a 128gb usb for my continuum dock (for a portable media collection) 64gb microSD and 32hn of internal storage. Did not think I'd ever use so much space on a phone!
    But once you've got a decent music collection, videos, pictures, apps, games....it all fills up pretty fast.

    Well, it has to do with demand. As demand increases, prices tend to drop. No one wanted the 950 so its price was only lowered when Microsoft started getting rid of stock. Retailers, however, do whatever they please. They probably forgot to discount the 950 lol


    If we're being honest here I can tell you the iPhone SE is the ONLY iPhone I EVER considered buying. And that's because of its size. I hate phablets and this trend of phones with screens over 5".
    The performance is good and the camera is nice. It's not great (lacks OIS) but hey, it's better than the one many Android flagships brings (I'm looking at you, Sony).
    Internal storage depends on your use. Apple has offered the SE in four configurations: 16GB, 32GB, 64GB and 128GB.

    The 16 and 64GB were the configurations offered in 2016 when the phone was released. The 32 and 128GB are the configurations of the 2017 refresh. But you can still find all the options on the market (just not directly from Apple).
    I don't advise anyone to go with 16GB. Ever.
    As for the 32GB, depends on your use of the phone. One of the many flaws of the iPhone is the lack of support for SD cards. So unless you're absolutely certain you won't need the space or you won't be using the phone as a daily driver, I say go for 64GB or 128GB.

    In your case, I honestly say: stay away from the iPhone. You clearly need a lot more storage than Apple offers and you'd be going back to Nokia 920 days where you'd constantly have to be worrying about "Storage Sense" and taking things out of the phone.
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    06-20-2017 10:35 AM
  22. libra89's Avatar
    Wow, now you're reaching!

    Ok, I know someone who called Cricket after 1 month of owning it and they unlocked it for them. That's scenario #1 .
    Next, lets say I wait the 3 months. I'm not being charged any more so I lose nothing and then get it unlocked. That's scenario #2 .
    I know eventually we have to give up going back and forth but I appreciate you being good natured about it!
    Consider me an example of number 1. I newly opened a line with a Cricket and I was able to get my SE unlocked after 3 weeks. It took 2 days for it to actually happen but it's all good.
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    06-20-2017 10:43 AM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    Consider me an example of number 1. I newly opened a line with a Cricket and I was able to get my SE unlocked after 3 weeks. It took 2 days for it to actually happen but it's all good.
    Thank you. Gives my point more credence.
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    06-20-2017 10:45 AM
  24. Drael646464's Avatar
    All countries see to have different prices, that's just the way it goes I guess. You have to shop for the best deal.

    BTW, the SE is upgradeable to iOS 11. Its on the official list. Anything 5s and newer will work.

    As far as storage, I have the 32gb version which is plenty for me. I have lots of music and pics on it with room left over. Everything else is on OneDrive. MS (everyone really) seems to be pushing the cloud so I wonder if their "new" devices, whenever they show up, will be cloud based or have sd cards. It will be interesting to see.

    Anyway, though I had used an iPhone in the past, I want exactly a big fan. But I have to tell you, for $200, this is a nice little device that will hold me over while we wait to see what MS produces.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
    That I didn't know. Seems like the SE got in, and the 5 missed out.

    I've 32 gb of music alone (all mp3, not even flac, and that's a tiny portion of my overall collection, only the new stuff - on my PC I have 135gb of music, 456 gb of video).

    About 15gb of apps and games. 20gb of video. Then there's pictures. I'm literally about 10gb short of running out of space on my 96 gb.

    I'm probably quite atypical, but the cloud has never been fast enough/high enough quality for me. I just don't really stream, apart from the odd bit here and there. when I use Netflix I download. When I use groove, I download.

    I think I have streamed once in the last year. I use onedrive mainly for important documents, like receipts, office files, picture backups - the sort of thing where speed and latency don't matter.

    If wireless networking were ever as fast as fibre, I might consider going all cloud. Or at least, roughly around the speed of 5ghz wifi for flac and video streaming.
    But until then its, for me, for itty bitty files. As an audiophile I consider streaming music to be similar to radio - a convenience that sacrifices quality. I have quite a large collection of HD audio, and some metal cone custom speakers. I'd actually like us all to move one day into lossless video - I'd rather that than 4k. Again, not exactly typical. I don't think of myself as a snob though, I do use 320 kbps mp3s, and happily watch 720 video.

    But I don't think I am entirely alone in storing a lot of local files either way. When it comes to SD cards, people don't even really buy 32 gb anymore. 64 is more standard. The newest iphones and galaxies come with 128gb internal.

    That said, some people are real streaming/cloud fans. I know some people have dozens of streaming services, and entirely use Netflix, Spotify, Pandora, iheartradio etc. For those people, 32gb might well be plenty.
    Last edited by Drael646464; 06-21-2017 at 03:49 AM.
    06-21-2017 03:25 AM
  25. Keeptechcoolandsimple's Avatar
    That I didn't know. Seems like the SE got in, and the 5 missed out.

    I've 32 gb of music alone (all mp3, not even flac, and that's a tiny portion of my overall collection, only the new stuff - on my PC I have 135gb of music, 456 gb of video).

    About 15gb of apps and games. 20gb of video. Then there's pictures. I'm literally about 10gb short of running out of space on my 96 gb.

    I'm probably quite atypical, but the cloud has never been fast enough/high enough quality for me. I just don't really stream, apart from the odd bit here and there. when I use Netflix I download. When I use groove, I download.

    I think I have streamed once in the last year. I use onedrive mainly for important documents, like receipts, office files, picture backups - the sort of thing where speed and latency don't matter.

    If wireless networking were ever as fast as fibre, I might consider going all cloud. Or at least, roughly around the speed of 5ghz wifi for flac and video streaming.
    But until then its, for me, for itty bitty files. As an audiophile I consider streaming music to be similar to radio - a convenience that sacrifices quality. I have quite a large collection of HD audio, and some metal cone custom speakers. I'd actually like us all to move one day into lossless video - I'd rather that than 4k. Again, not exactly typical. I don't think of myself as a snob though, I do use 320 kbps mp3s, and happily watch 720 video.

    But I don't think I am entirely alone in storing a lot of local files either way. When it comes to SD cards, people don't even really buy 32 gb anymore. 64 is more standard. The newest iphones and galaxies come with 128gb internal.

    That said, some people are real streaming/cloud fans. I know some people have dozens of streaming services, and entirely use Netflix, Spotify, Pandora, iheartradio etc. For those people, 32gb might well be plenty.
    for phones - which not only acts as a phone, but also a camera, media player, productivity tools, gaming devices, etc... - 32gb is increasingly becoming insufficient. system alone takes up a portion of the 32gb, with each update adding more to it, so not even the entire 32gb is usable. apps are becoming larger to make them "nicer" (in terms of features and looks). as cameras become nicer, and more like standalone cameras, pictures and videos take more space. so on and so forth.

    i always get the most memory possible on a phone, but still inadvertently start to run low. i rely on the cloud, not because cloud services are so much better, but because it helps alleviate
    06-21-2017 05:28 AM
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