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  1. Drael646464's Avatar
    Well, it has to do with demand. As demand increases, prices tend to drop. No one wanted the 950 so its price was only lowered when Microsoft started getting rid of stock. Retailers, however, do whatever they please. They probably forgot to discount the 950 lol


    If we're being honest here I can tell you the iPhone SE is the ONLY iPhone I EVER considered buying. And that's because of its size. I hate phablets and this trend of phones with screens over 5".
    The performance is good and the camera is nice. It's not great (lacks OIS) but hey, it's better than the one many Android flagships brings (I'm looking at you, Sony).
    Internal storage depends on your use. Apple has offered the SE in four configurations: 16GB, 32GB, 64GB and 128GB.

    The 16 and 64GB were the configurations offered in 2016 when the phone was released. The 32 and 128GB are the configurations of the 2017 refresh. But you can still find all the options on the market (just not directly from Apple).
    I don't advise anyone to go with 16GB. Ever.
    As for the 32GB, depends on your use of the phone. One of the many flaws of the iPhone is the lack of support for SD cards. So unless you're absolutely certain you won't need the space or you won't be using the phone as a daily driver, I say go for 64GB or 128GB.

    In your case, I honestly say: stay away from the iPhone. You clearly need a lot more storage than Apple offers and you'd be going back to Nokia 920 days where you'd constantly have to be worrying about "Storage Sense" and taking things out of the phone.
    Well they probably have 128 or 256 on their iPhone 7 or 8? But I'd never spend that amount of money on a phone (I didn't even spent that much on my PC, or my TV as the iPhone 8), and I'm happy with 10m (very happy).

    However I'll agree about the size of the SE for sure. I got the 950 partly for the smaller size and its still tricky to pocket, or use one handed. It is however "about right" and the nice screen and viewing makes up for it.

    Most small phones are bottom tier nowadays, so its rare to find a decent phone that isn't a "cheezeblock".
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    06-21-2017 04:30 AM
  2. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well, it has to do with demand. As demand increases, prices tend to drop. No one wanted the 950 so its price was only lowered when Microsoft started getting rid of stock. Retailers, however, do whatever they please. They probably forgot to discount the 950 lol


    If we're being honest here I can tell you the iPhone SE is the ONLY iPhone I EVER considered buying. And that's because of its size. I hate phablets and this trend of phones with screens over 5".
    The performance is good and the camera is nice. It's not great (lacks OIS) but hey, it's better than the one many Android flagships brings (I'm looking at you, Sony).
    Internal storage depends on your use. Apple has offered the SE in four configurations: 16GB, 32GB, 64GB and 128GB.

    The 16 and 64GB were the configurations offered in 2016 when the phone was released. The 32 and 128GB are the configurations of the 2017 refresh. But you can still find all the options on the market (just not directly from Apple).
    I don't advise anyone to go with 16GB. Ever.
    As for the 32GB, depends on your use of the phone. One of the many flaws of the iPhone is the lack of support for SD cards. So unless you're absolutely certain you won't need the space or you won't be using the phone as a daily driver, I say go for 64GB or 128GB.

    In your case, I honestly say: stay away from the iPhone. You clearly need a lot more storage than Apple offers and you'd be going back to Nokia 920 days where you'd constantly have to be worrying about "Storage Sense" and taking things out of the phone.
    Good points.
    Storage size really is a personal thing. I don't carry around tons of data so 32gb is fine. That's still hours and hours of music, pics, files, etc. but I understand how some people want more. That's where sd cards come in handy.
    I also like the smaller devices now that I've tried them. I don't want to know my "mobile" device is in my pocket.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    06-21-2017 06:34 AM
  3. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Two: Predictive text. WM with Cortana kicks Android's butt. With Cortana I could just about carry a complete conversation with the predicted words above the keyboard. With Android... I still have to type a couple of letters before the right word comes up above the keyboard. Even then it doesn't show the proper variants till I keep typing.
    Install SwiftKey. It's as good if not better than the WM keyboard.
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    06-21-2017 07:30 AM
  4. Sedp23's Avatar
    Install SwiftKey. It's as good if not better than the WM keyboard.
    Using that now and it's definitely than wm keyboard
    06-21-2017 07:52 AM
  5. Drael646464's Avatar
    Using that now and it's definitely than wm keyboard
    As of sometime this year, it is the WM keyboard.

    MS is using swiftkey as the basis of the virtual keyboard across all of Windows. They are also using it on other platforms as the vehicle for cloud clipboard.

    If you do use an android or ios device, using swiftkey and Cortana is a good way to stay somewhat in the MSFT loop.
    06-21-2017 08:31 AM
  6. Sedp23's Avatar
    As of sometime this year, it is the WM keyboard.

    MS is using swiftkey as the basis of the virtual keyboard across all of Windows. They are also using it on other platforms as the vehicle for cloud clipboard.

    If you do use an android or ios device, using swiftkey and Cortana is a good way to stay somewhat in the MSFT loop.
    Gave Cortana a try on Android and tried out google now for the first time I like google now a little bit better

    And as of right now google the keyboard on Android is ALOT better and more accurate with the Swype keyboard
    06-21-2017 08:34 AM
  7. Drael646464's Avatar
    Gave Cortana a try on Android and tried out google now for the first time I like google now a little bit better

    And as of right now google the keyboard on Android is ALOT better and more accurate with the Swype keyboard
    Well the reason why I mentioned this, is I figure you were a msft fan - swiftkey is MSFT owned, and according to build, will enable cloud clipboard on android and ios devices, and Cortana on android and ios, will enable Cortana "skills" and timeline. "Skills" are like alexa and amazon home - you can order and uber, buy a pizza, get news read to you, all that sort of thing. Timeline is where you can resume tasks you started on your PC or other device.

    Between Cortana, swiftkey and onedrive (which enables files on demand), you get the most part of the new fall creators update features (although obviously not quite as many "skills" will work, and timeline will require compatible apps, which is easier within the MS software ecosystem)

    SwiftKey is also the basis for the new windows keyboard that will feature voice and stylus scripting as well as conventional shape writing.

    These apps are the bridge for users on other platforms to the FCU features. They are essentially the glue that brings all the mobile OSes together under Microsoft.

    You seem to hang around here at this MSFT site, because you are curious about the future of win10m. I am unaware of any other interest you have in msft. But regardless, these apps give you a way of sampling the incoming features announced at build.

    But if you prefer using the google assistant chatbot, and sticking to google provided features, all good, I was just pointing these things out.
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    06-21-2017 09:00 AM
  8. jeffchapik's Avatar
    I tried Cortana on Android, but she's nerfed compared to what she can do on WM. Unfortunately, Google Now isn't much better. I really miss having my text messages read aloud to me while driving and being able to respond hands free.

    I think I saw it posted somewhere that there's a messaging app that will do this, but I haven't bothered to look into it yet.

    If only FB and Edge didn't suck so bad on WM, I'd go back to using my 640.
    06-21-2017 10:49 AM
  9. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I've not followed the whole thing. Too lazy right now to read that many words.

    Whomever is trying to make it out that buying a $199 iPhone SE from Cricket costs you extra money down the road to make up for the subsidy is just wrong.

    I used to work for Cricket. There is no contract. They do subsidize certain phones by a lot. Their internal documents will show clearly that the sale price is a loss based on what they have to purchase the phones for. It's the candy that lures users onto their network where they hope to retain them through value and customer service. For current users it is an incentive to stay vs the pressure of sign up deals with other networks. It is what is known in business terms as a loss leader. They hope to make up the loss down the line, but there is zero financial compulsion on the user to make up the shortfall. Unlike the main-line carriers in the US they have no contract. It is prepaid and the user may cancel at any time without any buy out or penalty except for the no refund on unused service policy.

    In terms of getting an immediate unlock... Just follow my guide. It costs nothing if you are on the unlimited plan. If you are on a lower plan the price difference on the plan will be returned to you as a credit to apply to your next bill. https://forums.windowscentral.com/cr...customers.html
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    06-21-2017 10:51 AM
  10. libra89's Avatar
    In terms of getting an immediate unlock... Just follow my guide. It costs nothing if you are on the unlimited plan. If you are on a lower plan the price difference on the plan will be returned to you as a credit to apply to your next bill. https://forums.windowscentral.com/cr...customers.html
    +1
    I followed this guide and it worked almost perfectly for iPhones, aside from a 2 to 3 day wait for an unlock code.
    06-21-2017 11:17 AM
  11. TgeekB's Avatar
    I've not followed the whole thing. Too lazy right now to read that many words.

    Whomever is trying to make it out that buying a $199 iPhone SE from Cricket costs you extra money down the road to make up for the subsidy is just wrong.

    I used to work for Cricket. There is no contract. They do subsidize certain phones by a lot. Their internal documents will show clearly that the sale price is a loss based on what they have to purchase the phones for. It's the candy that lures users onto their network where they hope to retain them through value and customer service. For current users it is an incentive to stay vs the pressure of sign up deals with other networks. It is what is known in business terms as a loss leader. They hope to make up the loss down the line, but there is zero financial compulsion on the user to make up the shortfall. Unlike the main-line carriers in the US they have no contract. It is prepaid and the user may cancel at any time without any buy out or penalty except for the no refund on unused service policy.

    In terms of getting an immediate unlock... Just follow my guide. It costs nothing if you are on the unlimited plan. If you are on a lower plan the price difference on the plan will be returned to you as a credit to apply to your next bill. https://forums.windowscentral.com/cr...customers.html
    Thank you for stating the facts. I was getting tired trying to prove to someone in another country that I was not paying 3 times the price for the SE nor was I going to go to court for unlocking it but seemed to be getting no where.

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    06-21-2017 11:33 AM
  12. RumoredNow's Avatar
    You're welcome. And in terms of comparing plans between countries, that is like comparing gas prices. It doesn't make sense for a US bound driver to price gasoline in Hong Kong... They can't reasonably get their car there anyway.

    I frequently shop cell phone service prices and Cricket comes out on top for value and service even still. It's why I've kept them for 3 years now. The real power is in group save discounts. We have 4 lines with 4GB high speed data a month (used to be 2.5 each, then they upped us to 3 and now 4GB for the same price) and an 8GB line that we use as a hotspot all for $120 a month. Voice and data connections are reliable and we have no issues with them when traveling around the country either. Unlimited calls, texts and MMS in the US. I can't beat that value anywhere else in the US.

    The price of bananas in Bolivia does not apply to the equation.
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    06-21-2017 02:10 PM
  13. DJCBS's Avatar
    I've not followed the whole thing. Too lazy right now to read that many words.

    Whomever is trying to make it out that buying a $199 iPhone SE from Cricket costs you extra money down the road to make up for the subsidy is just wrong.

    I used to work for Cricket. There is no contract. They do subsidize certain phones by a lot. Their internal documents will show clearly that the sale price is a loss based on what they have to purchase the phones for. It's the candy that lures users onto their network where they hope to retain them through value and customer service. For current users it is an incentive to stay vs the pressure of sign up deals with other networks. It is what is known in business terms as a loss leader. They hope to make up the loss down the line, but there is zero financial compulsion on the user to make up the shortfall. Unlike the main-line carriers in the US they have no contract. It is prepaid and the user may cancel at any time without any buy out or penalty except for the no refund on unused service policy.

    In terms of getting an immediate unlock... Just follow my guide. It costs nothing if you are on the unlimited plan. If you are on a lower plan the price difference on the plan will be returned to you as a credit to apply to your next bill. https://forums.windowscentral.com/cr...customers.html

    Maybe then you SHOULD have read the entire thing :P

    No one is saying it costs more, what at least I'm saying is that it doesn't cost you less to get the phone through a carrier. They will NOT give you a phone on a great deal for almost free. They might take a loss but they will not lose almost 2/3's of the price of the phone.

    Using your example:

    "It costs nothing if you are on the unlimited plan."

    And how much does that plan cost? Likely much more than a normal plan would/should. Why? Because they're putting in the money they spend on the phones to account for the people who *might* do that "I get this for cheap and then immediately cancel my connection with the carrier"

    Now, going through the unlock method you pointed towards:

    "The device you want to unlock has been active for at least six (6) months of paid service or you are on a $70 plan."

    Meaning you have to have paid for 6 months the phone in your plan, even if you don't think you're paying the discount. Otherwise you need to have the absolutely ABSURD $70 plan (seriously? $70 for a phone plan? I guess to Americans this might sound "normal" but believe me, these are NOT normal values. Don't fool yourselves ;) )

    Now as for your work around: Sure it might work. But you should also know that such may constitute fraudulent behaviour (I don't work in the US but I could build a legal case against you for that here in Europe, just saying. So I'm sure AT&T's lawyers could to, specially in the US where you can so easily take people to court ;P ).

    In Law, the principle of good faith in contracts is quite important. Yes, you can argue that "it's not your fault the carrier is stupid and didn't saw that breach in the system" but you're still subject to the principle of contractual good faith which DOES bind you legally. Just like the carrier is forced to provide you exactly with the service they offered and not something else (that's why they're now putting an end to "unlimited data plans" or adding clauses of "fair use").


    So back to the main point: getting a phone through a carrier might be a good deal IF you intend to stay on that carrier, be it with a contract (don't do phone contracts, for Christ's sake) or just through the normal service subscription. However, do not believe for a single moment that the carrier is giving you a great discount or even taking a huge loss.
    Carriers who do that often end up bankrupt pretty quickly ;)
    06-21-2017 02:32 PM
  14. TgeekB's Avatar
    You're welcome. And in terms of comparing plans between countries, that is like comparing gas prices. It doesn't make sense for a US bound driver to price gasoline in Hong Kong... They can't reasonably get their car there anyway.

    I frequently shop cell phone service prices and Cricket comes out on top for value and service even still. It's why I've kept them for 3 years now. The real power is in group save discounts. We have 4 lines with 4GB high speed data a month (used to be 2.5 each, then they upped us to 3 and now 4GB for the same price) and an 8GB line that we use as a hotspot all for $120 a month. Voice and data connections are reliable and we have no issues with them when traveling around the country either. Unlimited calls, texts and MMS in the US. I can't beat that value anywhere else in the US.

    The price of bananas in Bolivia does not apply to the equation.
    Absolutely.
    You're right about the group discount also, the biggest savings are found there. Though I certainly can't complain about $35 month either. The nice thing with Cricket is you can switch back and forth between plans easily if your needs change. I know people who have done it with no argument. AT&T has great service in my area so for me its a great situation.

    Of course you and I are going to be in court soon so better get a lawyer. 😂

    Sent from mTalk on my SP4
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    06-21-2017 02:41 PM
  15. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Maybe then you SHOULD have read the entire thing :P
    Maybe you should read more of what I wrote. They do lose money on the phone at sale and have no recourse if you do unlock it and walk away. Furthermore Cricket is one of the best service values in the US market. So we are not overpaying in that regard.

    Again, the cost of phone service outside the US does not apply. In Portugal they pay approximately 5.54€ per gallon of gasoline. I just filled my tank today for $1.95 USD a gallon. I could tell you all day that that is the price YOU should pay as well, but it's meaningless to you because you are not in my market so you have to pay what the cost is in YOUR market.

    You only have to have the $70 plan for the amount of time it takes to get on chat and ask for the unlock code. Then you get the full difference refunded to you. I have done this thing. I wasn't charged extra, I wasn't cancelled from my service and I most certainly was not subject to any legal action.

    In Law, the principle of good faith in contracts is quite important.
    What part of NO CONTRACT is failing to penetrate into your consciousness? I can't be held accountable for some contract that only exists in the mind of a third party internet poster...

    As for the rest of what you are spouting. You're just spouting. This stuff about being held in breach is nonsense.

    As far as:
    ...don't do phone contracts, for Christ's sake...
    For the last time we aren't engaging in any contract. You keep harping on this point and ignoring how it fails to apply. The result is that much of your argumentation is against something that is simply not a valid condition.
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    06-21-2017 06:30 PM
  16. TgeekB's Avatar
    Maybe you should read more of what I wrote. They do lose money on the phone at sale and have no recourse if you do unlock it and walk away. Furthermore Cricket is one of the best service values in the US market. So we are not overpaying in that regard.

    Again, the cost of phone service outside the US does not apply. In Portugal they pay approximately 5.54€ per gallon of gasoline. I just filled my tank today for $1.95 USD a gallon. I could tell you all day that that is the price YOU should pay as well, but it's meaningless to you because you are not in my market so you have to pay what the cost is in YOUR market.

    You only have to have the $70 plan for the amount of time it takes to get on chat and ask for the unlock code. Then you get the full difference refunded to you. I have done this thing. I wasn't charged extra, I wasn't cancelled from my service and I most certainly was not subject to any legal action.



    What part of NO CONTRACT is failing to penetrate into your consciousness? I can't be held accountable for some contract that only exists in the mind of a third party internet poster...

    As for the rest of what you are spouting. You're just spouting. This stuff about being held in breach is nonsense.

    As far as:


    For the last time we aren't engaging in any contract. You keep harping on this point and ignoring how it fails to apply. The result is that much of your argumentation is against something that is simply not a valid condition.
    But...but...but...🤣
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    06-21-2017 06:35 PM
  17. tgp's Avatar
    I just filled my tank today for $1.95 USD a gallon.
    That's cheaper than where I live! I'm going to be in your neck of the woods next month visiting my sister. I'm looking forward to filling up with gas there!

    What part of NO CONTRACT is failing to penetrate into your consciousness?
    For the last time we aren't engaging in any contract.
    Wait? Are you under contract?

    @DJCBS, contracts are mostly gone in the US. There are still remnants of them, such as for businesses and other entities who have deals with the carriers, or those who are still under contract from when they did exist, but for the most part a consumer cannot create or renew a new 2 year contract. It's all month to month now.

    Even the carrier financing for the cost of the device does not cost the consumer anything. We pay exactly the same price for the phone whether we pay it all up front or spread it out over 24 months. In fact, it's free financing, free use of the carriers' money.
    06-21-2017 06:44 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    But...but...but...������
    I'm reminded of a saying involving a horse and water and something about drinking.
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    06-21-2017 07:02 PM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    I'm reminded of a saying involving a horse and water and something about drinking.
    Yes, yes I think I remember that one!
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    06-21-2017 07:03 PM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    I tried Cortana on Android, but she's nerfed compared to what she can do on WM. Unfortunately, Google Now isn't much better. I really miss having my text messages read aloud to me while driving and being able to respond hands free.

    I think I saw it posted somewhere that there's a messaging app that will do this, but I haven't bothered to look into it yet.

    If only FB and Edge didn't suck so bad on WM, I'd go back to using my 640.
    Slimsocial is a decent FB webwrapper. And there are a couple of other browsers on win10m. UC browser, and monument are decent offerings. I personally don't mind egde, although it does chew resources.
    06-21-2017 09:56 PM
  21. Neill Baldwin's Avatar
    I'll second both of those. I like Slim Social because of the dark theme. I also use UC browser.
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    06-22-2017 02:50 AM
  22. Guytronic's Avatar
    Comments cleaned thread closed...

    From now on please discuss intelligently in any and all threads.
    There will be no tolerance for name calling from this point forward.

    As always please consider using the report feature prior to engaging in demeaning rhetoric with others.
    Thank you.
    06-22-2017 06:50 PM
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