09-14-2017 09:56 PM
86 123 ...
tools
  1. emiel1976's Avatar
    Please tell me why i must stay with the Windows platform?
    Even Microsoft makes there one suport and apps better for other platforms than for there own platform. Skype is better on any other system than that from Windows on phone or pc. There keyboard on the iPhone is better than on the Windows phone, the Edge browser is more a bug than usable and even Windows 10 is still far behind os-x.

    Why must i stay with the windows platform as other platforms give me what i want and better than Microsoft for there own platform do?

    I have tablets, phones, laptops and a desktop pc running all win10 but i am thinking of switching to apple and android only because of the way Microsoft treates there user by supporting other platform more than there own platform, and than i am not talking only about win mobile.
    I feel like i am used like %%#@ and that microsofts tanks you for getting there product and than say but we help the ones on other platforms because we our platform sucks and we have your money already, thank you and have fun.
    08-04-2017 10:36 AM
  2. Travis Guinn's Avatar
    That's not an easy question to answer. I was a windows phone fan from way back when it was CE based and you had o use a stylus. I even still have some of those devices. My all time favorite was a Motorola mpx220. Today, my daily phone is an iPhone. I absolutely hate it, but it has the apps I need to do my job. I still use my 1520 and my HP Elite to surf the web and listen to music over wifi and really miss the tiles of Win Mobile when i have to go back to the crappy iPhone interface. I can't tell you to stay on Windows Phone but I will tell you I'd switch back immediately if there was a way to get the apps I need.

    Best of luck
    RobertP1 and aximtreo like this.
    08-04-2017 11:49 AM
  3. jeffchapik's Avatar
    I won't give my money to Apple, and I tried Android and didn't like it.
    Player Piano likes this.
    08-04-2017 12:01 PM
  4. anthonyng's Avatar
    It's just stuff @emiel1976, nobody making you do anything, especially if you're unhappy. That's what options, choices are for! That's why Windows mobile needs to stick around, samsung's own tizen ambitions, sailfish os and etc need to be somewhat relevant so we can benefit from choice and find what works best for each of us.
    xandros9, libra89, TgeekB and 2 others like this.
    08-04-2017 12:11 PM
  5. xandros9's Avatar
    Use what works for you. If you wanted to live with a Treo or iPhone 3G and it still worked, sure.

    At the end of the day, the facts are that these are just phones, Microsoft has moved on and if you don't want to give money to Apple, just buy a used iPhone.

    Or make Android work for you. It's highly customizable and experiences can vary widely depending on the manufacturer and device.
    libra89 and Guytronic like this.
    08-04-2017 01:14 PM
  6. PerfectReign's Avatar
    Don't kick yourself over this. I still use all the platforms and they all suck.
    darrell reimer likes this.
    08-04-2017 01:43 PM
  7. etphoto's Avatar
    "must stay"?? I'm never going to tell someone they must stay. Do what you want.

    Twitter: @PhotographyET
    xandros9 likes this.
    08-04-2017 01:46 PM
  8. Demian Mioc's Avatar
    Windows Hello is amazing! Wink makes me smile every time I unlock my phone, sometimes I even wink back :)
    08-05-2017 03:11 PM
  9. nasznjoka's Avatar
    just switched to Macbook pro last week.. phone android wait to goo
    08-05-2017 03:25 PM
  10. Kimmo Toivanen's Avatar
    MS will not ask you to stay. Apple will not ask you to leave (though they'll welcome your dough).
    I swithed to android phone, but all computers stay on Windows.

    Whatever works ;)
    08-05-2017 03:32 PM
  11. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    For me Windows PC is the desktop operating system I've used all my life. I've dealt with it's quirks, pains, ups and downs, and know it just so well. I just want Microsoft to focus on making quality updates that actually bring real improvements and fixes. And for phones, they need to keep them supported for longer. Lumia 830, 1020, 930 and 1520 owners will have a lot to say about that!
    08-05-2017 10:19 PM
  12. Drael646464's Avatar
    Please tell me why i must stay with the Windows platform?
    Even Microsoft makes there one suport and apps better for other platforms than for there own platform. Skype is better on any other system than that from Windows on phone or pc. There keyboard on the iPhone is better than on the Windows phone, the Edge browser is more a bug than usable and even Windows 10 is still far behind os-x.

    Why must i stay with the windows platform as other platforms give me what i want and better than Microsoft for there own platform do?

    I have tablets, phones, laptops and a desktop pc running all win10 but i am thinking of switching to apple and android only because of the way Microsoft treates there user by supporting other platform more than there own platform, and than i am not talking only about win mobile.
    I feel like i am used like %%#@ and that microsofts tanks you for getting there product and than say but we help the ones on other platforms because we our platform sucks and we have your money already, thank you and have fun.
    Do what you want. You can choose a progressively more guarded and proprietary walled garden, or a progressively ad creeping advertsing platform. Both absolutely great ways to be treated as a customer. Which one do you prefer? Whatever it is, go for it. They both need all the encouragement they can get.
    08-06-2017 03:11 AM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    Do what you want. You can choose a progressively more guarded and proprietary walled garden, or a progressively ad creeping advertsing platform. Both absolutely great ways to be treated as a customer. Which one do you prefer? Whatever it is, go for it. They both need all the encouragement they can get.
    Actually neither needs encouragement since they're leading the industry and will for the foreseeable future. They both give customers what they want. It's MS that needs encouragement, but I understand you see it differently.

    To the OP, choice is a good thing so never feel like you need to stay with one platform. Some even mix and match. Whatever works for you.
    Guytronic, libra89 and aximtreo like this.
    08-06-2017 07:29 AM
  14. Wbutchart1's Avatar
    Do what you want. You can choose a progressively more guarded and proprietary walled garden, or a progressively ad creeping advertsing platform. Both absolutely great ways to be treated as a customer. Which one do you prefer? Whatever it is, go for it. They both need all the encouragement they can get.
    I chose the ad creep, have cut down Google stuff on it... Let's face it they track everything anyway.. Android or not, Facebook is the same.

    Id love the third option, Windows Phone is brilliant, sadly. Microsoft don't agree and take no interest in the os. If I can't be sure to get a phone in my price range then there is little point in continuing with it. Android has every price range (as wp did a few years back) so I go with that and hope Microsoft change their direction when it comes to mobile in the future.
    08-06-2017 02:46 PM
  15. TgeekB's Avatar
    I chose the ad creep, have cut down Google stuff on it... Let's face it they track everything anyway.. Android or not, Facebook is the same.

    Id love the third option, Windows Phone is brilliant, sadly. Microsoft don't agree and take no interest in the os. If I can't be sure to get a phone in my price range then there is little point in continuing with it. Android has every price range (as wp did a few years back) so I go with that and hope Microsoft change their direction when it comes to mobile in the future.
    Ad creep is everywhere. When you go to the store, sign up for a service, or use any smartphone. It can't be totally avoided unless you're going to go live off the grid in the middle of the woods. Good luck with that.
    The excuse that Android is tracking you is old and tired. Everything is. Just be smart about it.
    Laura Knotek and aximtreo like this.
    08-06-2017 02:54 PM
  16. nasznjoka's Avatar
    Do what you want. You can choose a progressively more guarded and proprietary walled garden, or a progressively ad creeping advertsing platform. Both absolutely great ways to be treated as a customer. Which one do you prefer? Whatever it is, go for it. They both need all the encouragement they can get.
    Such fanboyish comment
    08-06-2017 03:05 PM
  17. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Actually neither needs encouragement...
    Me thinks you didn't account for sarcasm. ;)
    aximtreo likes this.
    08-06-2017 03:40 PM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    Me thinks you didn't account for sarcasm. ;)
    Perhaps, but I'm not so sure.
    08-06-2017 03:54 PM
  19. LuxuryTouringZone's Avatar
    Such fanboyish comment
    LOL Guess he's just really tired of Android this and iOS that, and wants to see more diversity in people's hands. 😏
    08-06-2017 05:12 PM
  20. Drael646464's Avatar
    Ad creep is everywhere. When you go to the store, sign up for a service, or use any smartphone. It can't be totally avoided unless you're going to go live off the grid in the middle of the woods. Good luck with that.
    The excuse that Android is tracking you is old and tired. Everything is. Just be smart about it.
    Googles profit model is ads. I'm old enough to have seen what a locked in userbase, and an ad based model has done to broadcast TV, and I've seen google services ads, on google search, and youtube start to grow. If there were paid alternatives to both services, or any popular alternatives the risk of ad creep would be vastly lower. Indeed googles new OS, fushia, has ads baked into the desktop.

    The issue isn't merely ad creep, but a completely captive audience, and the effect of encouraging that monopoly. This has nothing to do with tracking (other than how tracking is used to make advertisers keener on buying ads - such as using gmail to create targeted google search ads), it's merely an observation of a logically predictable and obvious trend.


    The only way to avoid google ecosystem becoming drenched in ads like broadcast TV has, is by their being viable alternatives to their core products, and people actively using them. Anyone that thinks that monopoly is a good thing for consumers, hasn't been paying attention.

    Of course the other factor with android, is it appears to be the OS userbase that is least likely to spend money of software. Which means it tends to have a lot of ad funded, freemium type software. One could always at least do ones bit there, and pay for software however. Something I personally would recommend users of any mobile OS do.

    Android is a good OS, but the profit model issues surrounding it and its attendant google ecosystem are not insignificant especially in the long term. Certainly avoiding google ecosystem on the platform helps, as does buying software.
    RumoredNow and AccentAE86 like this.
    08-06-2017 08:13 PM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    Googles profit model is ads. I'm old enough to have seen what a locked in userbase, and an ad based model has done to broadcast TV, and I've seen google services ads, on google search, and youtube start to grow. If there were paid alternatives to both services, or any popular alternatives the risk of ad creep would be vastly lower. Indeed googles new OS, fushia, has ads baked into the desktop.

    The issue isn't merely ad creep, but a completely captive audience, and the effect of encouraging that monopoly. This has nothing to do with tracking, it's merely an observation of a logically predictable and obvious trend.


    The only way to avoid google ecosystem becoming drenched in ads like broadcast TV has, is by their being viable alternatives to their core products, and people actively using them. Anyone that thinks that monopoly is a good thing for consumers, hasn't been paying attention.
    Very true, but if you think Microsoft is a saint and doesn't/won't do similar then I think you're mistaken. I'm not saying I agree with it, just that it's a current moneymaker for most similar corporations. Google is just the best at it right now and the others are jealous.
    Laura Knotek, aximtreo and libra89 like this.
    08-06-2017 08:24 PM
  22. Drael646464's Avatar
    I chose the ad creep, have cut down Google stuff on it... Let's face it they track everything anyway.. Android or not, Facebook is the same.

    Id love the third option, Windows Phone is brilliant, sadly. Microsoft don't agree and take no interest in the os. If I can't be sure to get a phone in my price range then there is little point in continuing with it. Android has every price range (as wp did a few years back) so I go with that and hope Microsoft change their direction when it comes to mobile in the future.
    win10m is not without its issues atm, especially in the hardware department, and in terms of niche apps. Using android with reduced google ecosystem is not a bad choice IMO

    Very true, but if you think Microsoft is a saint and doesn't/won't do similar then I think you're mistaken. I'm not saying I agree with it, just that it's a current moneymaker for most similar corporations. Google is just the best at it right now and the others are jealous.
    MSFT does track metrics, that's true. MSFT employs a mixture of approaches with windows 10 - store app sales, metrics and licensing, as well as cloud services. Because its a mixture and not msfts core profit model, there's little incentive to ad creep. And msft doesn't have a search or video social network monopoly either.

    Win10m, really, has its own separate problems. The point of my statement is really to point out that no mobileOS is perfect, or "treats it's customers well". They all, in very different ways, treat their customers badly.

    In microsofts case, its mainly neglect atm. In google and apple's case its more related to progressive exploitation. It's not a situation where one can pick a model phone OS, and say - this company is perfect. They are all, in different ways, crap. It should be a case of knowingly picking the "wrong" you are comfortable with IMO.
    Last edited by xandros9; 08-07-2017 at 03:52 PM.
    TgeekB likes this.
    08-06-2017 08:28 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    MSFT does track metrics, that's true. MSFT employs a mixture of approaches with windows 10 - store app sales, metrics and licensing, as well as cloud services. Because its a mixture and not msfts core profit model, there's little incentive to ad creep. And msft doesn't have a search or video social network monopoly either.

    Win10m, really, has its own separate problems. The point of my statement is really to point out that no mobileOS is perfect, or "treats it's customers well". They all, in very different ways, treat their customers badly.

    In microsofts case, its mainly neglect atm. In google and apple's case its more related to progressive exploitation. It's not a situation where one can pick a model phone OS, and say - this company is perfect. They are all, in different ways, crap. It should be a case of knowingly picking the "wrong" you are comfortable with IMO.
    Agree. Each ones situation lends itself to what they can and must do to survive, or better, suck as much blood out of us that they can.

    Oh well, pick your poison and be done with it.
    08-06-2017 08:40 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Such fanboyish comment
    Not when it's the truth. Apple is very proprietary, right down to their connectors, and Google can't help but being an ad-infested bot. It's how they make their coin. God bless capitalism.
    aximtreo likes this.
    08-07-2017 06:20 PM
  25. TgeekB's Avatar
    Not when it's the truth. Apple is very proprietary, right down to their connectors, and Google can't help but being an ad-infested bot. It's how they make their coin. God bless capitalism.
    Hey, when it works and people want it..
    libra89 and Elky64 like this.
    08-07-2017 06:41 PM
86 123 ...

Similar Threads

  1. Windows 10 vs MacOS
    By James Falconer in forum Windows 10
    Replies: 48
    Last Post: 08-31-2017, 01:01 PM
  2. Why is my laptop lagging after rolling back Windows 10 from the Creators Uodate?
    By Windows Central Question in forum Ask a Question
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-04-2017, 03:11 PM
  3. How do you use your Windows phone today?
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-04-2017, 09:40 AM
  4. Windows 10 Insider 'skip ahead' option is now closed
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-04-2017, 06:10 AM
  5. How to make Windows 10 more secure by using a standard user account
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-04-2017, 06:10 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD