[matt john2]

I have ever given a thought that may be it's not the camera that sell iPhone more than any smartphone.
Something else may be like
Faster Updates
Numbers and quality of apps
Brainwashed Americans
...
...
...etc

Multi OS user here. Additional to your post.
-Aesthetics are better than Lumia phones.
-iPhones look beautiful, iPhone 4s is solid made and still popular.
- Apple copied others idea but made it "better", its pros for users
- some official apps and Apple made apps are far, far superior than in WP or Android
- The OS itself feels well made
- More support( big advantage) than WP
- sound quality are better on iPhone
- and popularity-who doesn't want to show off?

[Luisraul924]

I did a camera comparison between my iPhone 6 and my L1020. Surprisingly the iPhone 6 beats the L1020 in most applications, speed, the auto is astonishing, auto white balance are mostly better in iPhone 6, focus is sometimes faster and more accurate, vibration reduction is also noticeable better on iPhone especially on videos, you wouldn't find much/any distortion in videos compared to the 1020 which almost of the videos I've taken have distortion, iPhone's camera software also offers fun(sometimes gimmicky) features. The only thing 1020 did better over iPhone/other smartphone are image quality, focal length and almost full control of the camera plus the dual microphone.

Probably because the iPhone just works. I don't understand why people bash on the iPhone so much. I used to, but then stopped one day and asked myself why? I've never owned an iPhone I had tried one, but trying and owning are two different things. So two years ago I traded my Lumia 920 for an iPhone 5 and it truly opened my eyes. It's a device that just works period. It may get boring to the tech enthusiasts that like to flash ROMs or the like, but for those looking for a device that just works; the iPhone is where its at.

[matt john2]

Probably because the iPhone just works. I don't understand why people bash on the iPhone so much. I used to, but then stopped one day and asked myself why? I've never owned an iPhone I had tried one, but trying and owning are two different things. So two years ago I traded my Lumia 920 for an iPhone 5 and it truly opened my eyes. It's a device that just works period. It may get boring to the tech enthusiasts that like to flash ROMs or the like, but for those looking for a device that just works; the iPhone is where its at.

True. And IOS is a perfected OS, iPhone is also a work of art, its just the fact that there are some reasons people(myself added) hate them because they are expensive, and there's always better/cheaper alternatives that are bang for the buck.

[dicks-webos]

I got a 930 because it was cheap and has a 20mp camera and 4K. I also have a Pentax K3 but wanted something light to carry but which still has good quality. With Denim the 930 has been significantly improved. Speed, camera quality and battery duration. All significantly better. I like the separate camera button, that is much better than entering an unlock code, start the camera, etc. Yeah the camera on other phones may be "quicker" but on the 930 I hit the camera button and a second later can shoot a picture.

I've never had a iPhone and have no urge to try. The cost is x3 and the phone still has poor battery duration. The camera is at least on par with the 930 and in many areas below par (4K, etc.).

To the previous poster re. sound quality: do your homework. The 930 can record in Dolby Surround and has 6 or 9 microphones. Videos are a blast compared to iPhone.

Till now I've not regretted getting the 930 - on the contrary.

[jason8957]

I did a camera comparison between my iPhone 6 and my L1020. Surprisingly the iPhone 6 beats the L1020 in most applications, speed, the auto is astonishing, auto white balance are mostly better in iPhone 6, focus is sometimes faster and more accurate, vibration reduction is also noticeable better on iPhone especially on videos, you wouldn't find much/any distortion in videos compared to the 1020 which almost of the videos I've taken have distortion, iPhone's camera software also offers fun(sometimes gimmicky) features. The only thing 1020 did better over iPhone/other smartphone are image quality, focal length and almost full control of the camera plus the dual microphone.

I wonder what you mean by better focal length. Would that not be dependent on what you wanted at the time? Or for a certain type of subject? For instance, you might want a longer focal length for a portrait than you would for a landscape. I have never used an L1020, is there a real adjustment for focal length?

I think that the set effective focal length of the L920, which I have, is about 26mm. This is not ideal for portraits, but good for a big picture with a deep field of focus. I don't know what is set on an iPhone.

[Nogitsune Micah]

I've never missed a picture with a Lumia.

1. Nearly 4 year old cousin...never missed pics during Christmas or birthdays

2. Concerts

3. Dates with the bf....when we are out and taking pics of the stuff around us.

4. Brothers sports events.....i never miss a shot.

Lumia is slower than competitors sometimes but having used an iPhone 6 plus and m8...there is nothing I am missing.

[ajayden]

iPhone camera has only one mode to shoot, whereas Lumia has 2 modes to shoot. Let me tell you why.

Lumia is well equipped to take fast shots (point and shoot) and the more artistic shots.

1) Microsoft Camera - This is the point and shoot camera that included in all Wndows Phones so that we dont miss a moment. The camera loads faster by just pressing the camera hardware button (even from the lockscreen).


2) Lumia Camera - A camera that allows you to bring out the photographer inside you. It for those shots that need some artistic ideas and preparation. It is for the photography enthusiasts who would like to capture great day and low light photos.


So Lumia phones gives us a fast camera for point and shoot and also a Lumia Camera for those who want to change the ISO, Shutter Speed, Exposure, White Balance to take fantastic photos.
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So basically Lumia phones(with speed and features) beat the iPhone even here.

[blue1k]

iPhone camera has only one mode to shoot, whereas Lumia has 2 modes to shoot. Let me tell you why.

Lumia is well equipped to take fast shots (point and shoot) and the more artistic shots.

1) Microsoft Camera - This is the point and shoot camera that included in all Wndows Phones so that we dont miss a moment. The camera loads faster by just pressing the camera hardware button (even from the lockscreen).


2) Lumia Camera - A camera that allows you to bring out the photographer inside you. It for those shots that need some artistic ideas and preparation. It is for the photography enthusiasts who would like to capture great day and low light photos.


So Lumia phones gives us a fast camera for point and shoot and also a Lumia Camera for those who want to change the ISO, Shutter Speed, Exposure, White Balance to take fantastic photos.
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So basically Lumia phones(with speed and features) beat the iPhone even here.

Wait till you try Lumia Cam 5. Then that fantastic quality gets thrown out for speed, high saturation and contrast, and higher iso. Quality is poor compared to Lumia Cam Classic and iPhone. Especially in HDR rich tone mode. Can't hold a candle to the quality of the IOS camera sadly.

[ajayden]

What do you think about these photos? The photo was taken on Lumia 1020 with Denim and Lumia Camera 5.

1) Original pic


2) Crop zoom from the original pic

[blue1k]

What do you think about these photos? The photo was taken on Lumia 1020 with Denim and Lumia Camera 5.

1) Original pic


2) Crop zoom from the original pic

Lumia Cam 5 doesn't run on 1020. Only for 930, 1520, 830, and Icon. I have a 1020 too. Quality is crap sadly versus classic app on my 930 and 1020.
And 1020 never got denim. It's same firmware as Cyan but labeled as Denim (see 1020 forums)

[ajayden]

Lumia Cam 5 doesn't run on 1020. Only for 930, 1520, 830, and Icon. I have a 1020 too. Quality is crap sadly versus classic app on my 930 and 1020.
And 1020 never got denim. It's same firmware as Cyan but labeled as Denim (see 1020 forums)

Oh then its worse for the iPhone cos it still has to beat the Lumia 1020 (without Denim and Lumia Camera 5).

[blue1k]

Oh then its worse for the iPhone cos it still has to beat the Lumia 1020 (without Denim and Lumia Camera 5).

That it does but as pointed out the speed of focusing and shot to shot because of the old processer is a deal breaker for some. I guess it comes down to what you want: 1020 has unparalleled quality but not great for action photography vs the iPhone or Note4/S5 which can fire off full frame burst shots with ultrafast phase detection autofocus.

But you missed my other point which is that you sadly lose that trademark quality on Cam 5 that everyone loves with Pureview cameras 😞

[matt john2]

Does denim update really affect the image quality? I think its the hardware that matters more than software.

[xandros9]

Does denim update really affect the image quality? I think its the hardware that matters more than software.

Nokia would often update the camera algorithms and such in firmware updates. The 920 for example saw some changes with Amber etc. (of course they have to stop sometime)

[P1ng0fDeath]

-Aesthetics are better than Lumia phones

that's subjective. Very.

-iPhones look beautiful, iPhone 4s is solid made and still popular.

they are, and so are almost all Lumias (except the popular part)

- Apple copied others idea but made it "better", its pros for users

agreed

- some official apps and Apple made apps are far, far superior than in WP or Android

than WP, yes, some. Than Android, though, hardly any.

- The OS itself feels well made

so does the others in their way.

- More support( big advantage) than WP

describe "more support". Phone updates or user support?

- sound quality are better on iPhone

it depends on the iPhone and on the Lumia in question

- and popularity-who doesn't want to show off?

i don't. And most Lumias draw a lot of attention on their own btw, especially more striking models like the 925, 830, 1020 and 1520 and the colorful ones

[anon(5445874)]

I quit reading The Verge ages ago (along with some of the other apple obsessed sites). It's like they can't even think for themselves. It's like a scene out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. You walk into an apple store, walk out as a pod person. Kinda creepy!

[blue1k]

Does denim update really affect the image quality? I think its the hardware that matters more than software.

Sort of. The issue is the Lumia Camera 5 app itself with jpeg processing. It's terrible compared to the Classic app even on Denim. There is another thread with a whole bunch of examples showing how the new app handles processing differently. If you use the old Classic camera on Denim you get the good ol great quality shots but you are stuck with a slow camera with no 4k or rich tone.

The question is then why did MS ruin the great algorithm and replace it with a crappy one in the new app when it's very obvious the old one was much better.

[dicks-webos]

Do iPhones have a separate camera button? How the hell then is the iPhone camera app supposed to start faster than the one on a 930 with Denim? I hit the camera button and nearly instantly I can shoot. I truly can not imagine that an iPhone is started faster.

Besides the discussion is more one of taste - the quality is important too. I don't think the iPhone does Dolby Surround does it?

But the iPhone has more sex appeal, and for many people following the herd this counts :)

Luckily there are alternatives for those who do not want to be sucked up in a big grey herd.

[matt john2]

The question is then why did MS ruin the great algorithm and replace it with a crappy one in the new app when it's very obvious the old one was much better.

Indeed, I dont understand why either, can't they just fix what's broken and then polish it. Its also why I can't fully commit to WP, MS isn't fully committed to their mobile division(yet).

[fatclue_98]

Indeed, I dont understand why either, can't they just fix what's broken and then polish it. Its also why I can't fully commit to WP, MS isn't fully committed to their mobile division(yet).

Microsoft just finished acquiring Nokia last spring (4/14) and have already released Microsoft-branded phones. Apple hasn't gone through any buyouts, neither have Samsung, HTC or LG. So let's look at recent buyouts and then tell me if Microsoft hasn't moved faster than others.

The last Motorola before the Google acquisition was the Droid Razr series in Q4 of 2011 (11/11). It wasn't until August of 2013 until the Moto X was released. Almost 2 full years between model releases.

The Palm Pre2 was released in October of 2010 and the HP Pre3 wasn't released (unofficially) until August of 2011. In fact, the phone was never officially released in the US due to the Apothecalypse. Almost a full year to release a phone that was basically a refresh of the existing line.

Even though it wasn't a buyout, during the transition from Research In Motion to BlackBerry, model releases were almost two years apart (Bold 9900 - 9/11 Z10 - 3/13).

Now consider that the Lumia 535 was released just 7 months after the closing of the Nokia deal and tell me Microsoft isn't committed to its mobile division.

[etad putta]

Microsoft just finished acquiring Nokia last spring (4/14) and have already released Microsoft-branded phones. Apple hasn't gone through any buyouts, neither have Samsung, HTC or LG. So let's look at recent buyouts and then tell me if Microsoft hasn't moved faster than others.

The last Motorola before the Google acquisition was the Droid Razr series in Q4 of 2011 (11/11). It wasn't until August of 2013 until the Moto X was released. Almost 2 full years between model releases.

The Palm Pre2 was released in October of 2010 and the HP Pre3 wasn't released (unofficially) until August of 2011. In fact, the phone was never officially released in the US due to the Apothecalypse. Almost a full year to release a phone that was basically a refresh of the existing line.

Even though it wasn't a buyout, during the transition from Research In Motion to BlackBerry, model releases were almost two years apart (Bold 9900 - 9/11 Z10 - 3/13).

Now consider that the Lumia 535 was released just 7 months after the closing of the Nokia deal and tell me Microsoft isn't committed to its mobile division.

The 535 is a turd, it's touch screen issues have all but relegated it to the "no thanks" group. Their other groups of entry level phones are nothing more than an exchange of cheepo parts. They show me nothing. But at this time, i don't see anything from anyone that is a better value than my 635 so i sit and play wait and see.

[fatclue_98]

The 535 is a turd, it's touch screen issues have all but relegated it to the "no thanks" group. Their other groups of entry level phones are nothing more than an exchange of cheepo parts. They show me nothing. But at this time, i don't see anything from anyone that is a better value than my 635 so i sit and play wait and see.

If you've never been a part of a corporate buy-out you have no idea how hard it is to get all the logistics straight in such a short time frame. Even a renaming like RIM/BlackBerry did is a paperwork mess when you have so many vendors involved. That's not even taking into account the local business permits for each of your locations, worker's comp certificates, umbrella insurance, etc.

Putting out that 535 in that timeframe was monumental task, they deserve more credit than calling the handset a turd.

[etad putta]

If you've never been a part of a corporate buy-out you have no idea how hard it is to get all the logistics straight in such a short time frame. Even a renaming like RIM/BlackBerry did is a paperwork mess when you have so many vendors involved. That's not even taking into account the local business permits for each of your locations, worker's comp certificates, umbrella insurance, etc.

Putting out that 535 in that timeframe was monumental task, they deserve more credit than calling the handset a turd.

You may be right, but those with the screen problems that Microsoft can't seem to fix should may feel differently. I believe the proper action would be to replace the product if they can't get it right.

[fatclue_98]

You may be right, but those with the screen problems that Microsoft can't seem to fix should may feel differently. I believe the proper action would be to replace the product if they can't get it right.

Isn't that what warranties are for? There's no such thing as recalls for phones, if a customer has an issue they need to get to an authorized repair center or contact Microsoft. I had an issue with the headphone jack on an iPhone 6+ and the only solution was to make an appointment through the "Genius" and have the phone repaired. No loaners, no nothing. Just like everybody else.

[etad putta]

Isn't that what warranties are for? There's no such thing as recalls for phones, if a customer has an issue they need to get to an authorized repair center or contact Microsoft. I had an issue with the headphone jack on an iPhone 6+ and the only solution was to make an appointment through the "Genius" and have the phone repaired. No loaners, no nothing. Just like everybody else.

Ask Guytronic how committed he thinks Microsoft is in regards to the 535 he has. There is no fix for the screen problems. They should do an exchange for a working phone. And yes they do have phone recalls. Just a few months back my out of warranty iphone five had its power button , battery, and camera module replaced for free. I was given a loaner and had the option to keep it rather than wait for my phone to be fixed. Great support from apple and the genius bar. Hopefully MS will step up and do the same if needed.