[realwarder]

To beat the iPhone, you have to beat the iPhone?s camera | The Verge

Would love to know how L930 Denim compares.. any ideas?

[PeaceNik]

In terms of features Lumia Denim definitely beats the Apple iPhone, however the speed of the iPhone is probably still unmatched.

But Lumia is probably better because it provides a balance between speed and feature with very detailed results.

The only thing that annoys me are the constant stutters in the app.

[theefman]

The iphone is already beaten, not sure why people are still trying to "beat" it. Or am I the only one without iphone envy?

[realwarder]

The iphone is already beaten, not sure why people are still trying to "beat" it. Or am I the only one without iphone envy?

It's good to have a target else people get complacent.

Any idea of timing comparison: 930/830 to iPhone? Time to load camera and be ready to shoot and time to take a shot (between shots)?

[xandros9]

Honestly, this was one of the few articles that make me cringe.

Its been a while since I read that, but I don't want to give them another hit, so I'll try to remember (If anyone has that site that pulls the page and hosts it so they wont get clicks, please share it)

The sole Lumia mention IIRC is a false implication, that the head of whatever switched from 1520 to 6+ because of photography. Why not change of employer? Other experience. Kind of an underhanded cherrypick IMHO.

Eh, the comments are nice IMO.

that's not to say its wrong, its not wrong. I've handled an iPhone, and the camera launch time is really nice.

[theefman]

It's good to have a target else people get complacent.

Any idea of timing comparison: 930/830 to iPhone? Time to load camera and be ready to shoot and time to take a shot (between shots)?

Is that the only criteria for a camera's performance? How about low light flash performance, image quality, zoom capability? Are those not also valid features to have in a camera? Why is it the only requirement now for a good camera is speed, which coincidentally is the one area the iphone excels in, why aren't we judging on ALL criteria and not only the ones handpicked to favor the iphone?

[realwarder]

Is that the only criteria for a camera's performance? How about low light flash performance, image quality, zoom capability? Are those not also valid features to have in a camera? Why is it the only requirement now for a good camera is speed, which coincidentally is the one area the iphone excels in, why aren't we judging on ALL criteria and not only the ones handpicked to favor the iphone?

I selected those because they are important. Have you never missed a moment on your Lumia? I know I have. 5 seconds from pocket, 5 to load the camera, 3 to select video. 13 seconds is forever. That is why Denims update to instantly long press the camera button for 4k video in seconds is a big thing. I hope Microsoft keep the focus on improving the camera in the future. But even now.. Is denim already quicker?

[theefman]

Never had to launch a camera quickly because a historical building or landscape was moving too fast......

[AraknidX]

Never had to launch a camera quickly because a historical building or landscape was moving too fast......

How about a baby or toddler doing something new for the first time? If you want to capture that moment you need a very fast acting camera.

[Helder Costa1]

I selected those because they are important. Have you never missed a moment on your Lumia? I know I have. 5 seconds from pocket, 5 to load the camera, 3 to select video. 13 seconds is forever. That is why Denims update to instantly long press the camera button for 4k video in seconds is a big thing. I hope Microsoft keep the focus on improving the camera in the future. But even now.. Is denim already quicker?

got denim on my 930. quick very quick. it's instant. imbelieavable quick

[theefman]

How about a baby or toddler doing something new for the first time? If you want to capture that moment you need a very fast acting camera.

How about if you don't have a baby or a toddler?

[anon(8150199)]

Not saying iPhones' cameras suck, but saying it's the top performing one is downright ignorant. I've handled several of them, and pretty much the only advantage over Lumias is speed, but then Lumia Camera 5 has almost already matched that.

Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention the fact that iPhones lack camera button.

[karan madhyani1]

It's good to have a target else people get complacent.

Any idea of timing comparison: 930/830 to iPhone? Time to load camera and be ready to shoot and time to take a shot (between shots)?

Watch from @5:40

[Dusan Randj]

So, looks like 930 with Denim is faster than iPhone. What are complains now?

[realwarder]

So, looks like 930 with Denim is faster than iPhone. What are complains now?

That was sweet. Great find.

Looks faster now to me.

[xandros9]

So, looks like 930 with Denim is faster than iPhone. What are complains now?

That doesn't fit with The Verge's point, so it therefore doesn't exist to them.

[PBlessing]

I read this line in the article "The standard that must be reached isn’t so much about image quality as it is about quickness, predictability, and reliability — and nobody does those things better than Apple." and just started laughing... Change two words in that sentence and you have something just as true and totally explains our society...

"The standard that must be reached isn’t so much about food quality as it is about quickness, predictability, and reliability — and nobody does those things better than McDonalds." Speed and predictability over quality. Apple the fast food of phones.

[Dusan Randj]

I read this line in the article "The standard that must be reached isnt so much about image quality as it is about quickness, predictability, and reliability and nobody does those things better than Apple." and just started laughing... Change two words in that sentence and you have something just as true and totally explains our society...

"The standard that must be reached isnt so much about food quality as it is about quickness, predictability, and reliability and nobody does those things better than McDonalds." Speed and predictability over quality. Apple the fast food of phones.

You nailed it.

[paulxxwall]

Unfortunately ms can strap the Hubble telescope to its phone....apple will sell more no matter what check out there record earnings this last quarter. I really wonder what kind of cameras ms needs on there phones to sell like iPhones and stop laying people off

[karan madhyani1]

Guys windowsphone beats apple in terms of fluidity & camera
Easily
Even at low end...(considerimg lumia camera is going to b for all devices)
So technicially windowsphone shud sell like iphones but it doesn't because of eco-system...
By eco system i mean the quality of apps & apps availability with update frequency. ...(no app gap never existed)...i'm not complaining i'm expressing my thoughts. Ecosystem wich makes the potential of this wonderful os un-utilised...:/
...

P.S-considering this comment without considering xbox music as a part of os :P

[Musti Tunc]

There is no phone that can be matched to the L930's camera with denim update in terms of speed an quality.

[Matt_Matthew]

*And L1520 too. Currently using it. <3

[D M C]

Unfortunately ms can strap the Hubble telescope to its phone....apple will sell more no matter what check out there record earnings this last quarter. I really wonder what kind of cameras ms needs on there phones to sell like iPhones and stop laying people off

I have ever given a thought that may be it's not the camera that sell iPhone more than any smartphone.
Something else may be like
Faster Updates
Numbers and quality of apps
Brainwashed Americans
...
...
...etc

[paulxxwall]

I have ever given a thought that may be it's not the camera that sell iPhone more than any smartphone.
Something else may be like
Faster Updates
Numbers and quality of apps
Brainwashed Americans
...
...
...etc

Your right and wrong . It is faster updates,more and better app selection but I don't think its brainwashed. Apps don't leave the iTunes store ...on contrary! For WP customers like me hearing bad news like apps pulling support or there apps in general,no interest in developing apps for the platform. All these hopes and dreams have been part of ms for years but of course this one is different right?

[matt john2]

I did a camera comparison between my iPhone 6 and my L1020. Surprisingly the iPhone 6 beats the L1020 in most applications, speed, the auto is astonishing, auto white balance are mostly better in iPhone 6, focus is sometimes faster and more accurate, vibration reduction is also noticeable better on iPhone especially on videos, you wouldn't find much/any distortion in videos compared to the 1020 which almost of the videos I've taken have distortion, iPhone's camera software also offers fun(sometimes gimmicky) features. The only thing 1020 did better over iPhone/other smartphone are image quality, focal length and almost full control of the camera plus the dual microphone.