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  1. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Ok just a few question since i see some picture experts in here, which i am not :)
    On the photo it shows a DNG option set for 6MP shot. Is this on a lower spec camera phone, would my L930 have a higher MP rating available since it gives me a 16MP RAW file?

    Also, can someone explain me a difference between RAW and DNG? Which is better for Adobe Lightroom?
    on a higher MP camera, you would get a higher res DNG photo.

    For the difference: https://photographylife.com/dng-vs-raw
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    07-11-2016 08:37 AM
  2. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Ok just a few question since i see some picture experts in here, which i am not :)
    On the photo it shows a DNG option set for 6MP shot. Is this on a lower spec camera phone, would my L930 have a higher MP rating available since it gives me a 16MP RAW file?

    Also, can someone explain me a difference between RAW and DNG? Which is better for Adobe Lightroom?
    Are you not seeing DNG on your Lumia 930 already? You should be. It would be the same as my 1520. 5MP jpg + 16MP dng if shooting 16:9 ratio and 5MP jpg + 18MP dng if shooting 4:3 aspect ratio. If you are seeing this, then the Reg Edit is meaningless to you as you already have these values in your registry.

    RAW is a proprietary file type and different DSLR makers use differing file formats. So one program might open the Sony and Cannon RAW, but not the Fuji RAW. DNG is the "open standard" developed by Adobe so certainly Adobe products like Lightroom will open it. I'm sure you will find programs that won't open DNG even though it is meant to be universal.

    Nokia (and now Microsoft) went with DNG files and I don't know that there is even a way to switch off DNG in your phone and over to a RAW capture. It's nomenclature as they do the same thing (dump the sensor data), but also a file standard.
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    07-11-2016 11:20 AM
  3. thron's Avatar
    When I delete the photo from my camera roll, it only removes the unprocessed image. Is there a setting I missed that also enables removal of the .dng from the Camera Roll folder?
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    07-11-2016 01:36 PM
  4. RumoredNow's Avatar
    When I delete the photo from my camera roll, it only removes the unprocessed image. Is there a setting I missed that also enables removal of the .dng from the Camera Roll folder?
    I've not seen one or read about one. Certainly on my 1520 if I delete a pic all the extra files go out with it.

    But I've already taken to managing the picture files with File Browser either on Phone or on PC when connected by USB.
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    07-11-2016 01:44 PM
  5. thron's Avatar
    The 1520 already has DNG-enabled out of the box, correct?
    I believe my 830 would purge all files upon deletion, too.

    The 640 (with the registry modification) seems to leave them behind. Not a big deal, but it'd be nice to have the throw-away pics' free space right away, rather than waiting for USB management.
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    07-11-2016 01:48 PM
  6. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Yeah 1520 has DNG out of the box and deletes the files.

    You can use File Browser on the phone to clean up.

    My new habit with Camera on W10M is to save all pics to Internal anyway. The processing of pics is very heavy in W10M and the SD card bus speed bottlenecks it fast. So I shoot to Internal and habitually move to SD and clean files on a regular basis anyway. That's with every phone.
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    07-11-2016 01:53 PM
  7. thron's Avatar
    That's a good idea! I should switch mine to internal, too.

    Slightly off-topic: Is there a way to save the HDR setting? I have to manually enable it each time I fire up the camera. It doesn't seem to remember the previously-used state.
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    07-11-2016 02:24 PM
  8. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Slightly off-topic: Is there a way to save the HDR setting? I have to manually enable it each time I fire up the camera. It doesn't seem to remember the previously-used state.
    Good question. Can't find it with a quick look around, but I'm sure it is in there.

    Maybe someone else knows?
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    07-11-2016 02:35 PM
  9. hardywang's Avatar
    To be honest I personally don't feel the need to take raw file on phone.

    I have my DSLR and edit pretty much every single photo in raw format, so it is essential to me.

    However if you use a phone to take pictures you need something quick. I also believe most "phone photographers" are not actual professional at e all.

    I turned off raw capture on my Lumia 950xl after couple of days.
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    07-11-2016 02:44 PM
  10. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I have my DSLR and edit pretty much every single photo in raw format, so it is essential to me.
    Awesome.

    I don't have a DSLR though and no plans to get one. I'm a hobbyist for sure. I like having the phone with me at all times as the convenient way to take pics whenever I want... Especially on vacation when you have so much else to juggle.

    And trust me, when it is a vacation or a planned shoot I would not rely on the 640 even with DNG. My 1520, however, has proven itself more capable than my skills thus far and has not failed me except in the case of low light and DNG can help mollify that.
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    07-11-2016 02:50 PM
  11. thron's Avatar
    I also believe most "phone photographers" are not actual professional at e all.
    Definitely not a 'photographer,' in my case.
    But taking the best possible photo when you're selling something, be it for ebay or real estate; a sharp & vibrant image can spark interest and lead to a quicker sale.
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    07-11-2016 03:02 PM
  12. hardywang's Avatar
    Definitely not a 'photographer,' in my case.
    But taking the best possible photo when you're selling something, be it for ebay or real estate; a sharp & vibrant image can spark interest and lead to a quicker sale.

    Well, it's really personal preference. If you think the phone raw file is useful to you it's definitely a good thing to have.
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    07-11-2016 03:11 PM
  13. anon(5841099)'s Avatar
    The best camera is the one you have on you, whether you are a 'professional' or not. Enabling JPG+DNG capture can sometimes give you a chance to fix post processing. Example:


    Windows Camera decided that this picture really needed a glowing cyan sky. The colour temperature is also quite cold compared to what you would see in real life.


    Toning down the highlights got rid of the glowing sky (mostly, it still will never have the dynamic range of an average modern DSLR). Add a bit warmer colour temperature and sharpening/noise removal to your liking and done.

    So yeah, it's a good tool to have. Just learn how to use it wisely otherwise you will end up just playing with sliders and be disappointed. Because the raw output of the sensor needs quite some work before you get a decent image.
    07-11-2016 05:29 PM
  14. hardywang's Avatar
    The best camera is the one you have on you, whether you are a 'professional' or not. Enabling JPG+DNG capture can sometimes give you a chance to fix post processing. Example:

    https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8838/2...df0c99d5_c.jpg
    Windows Camera decided that this picture really needed a glowing cyan sky. The colour temperature is also quite cold compared to what you would see in real life.

    https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8803/2...741cac74_c.jpg
    Toning down the highlights got rid of the glowing sky (mostly, it still will never have the dynamic range of an average modern DSLR). Add a bit warmer colour temperature and sharpening/noise removal to your liking and done.

    So yeah, it's a good tool to have. Just learn how to use it wisely otherwise you will end up just playing with sliders and be disappointed. Because the raw output of the sensor needs quite some work before you get a decent image.
    Well said. A raw (dng) file is useless unless you know how to post-process it properly.

    And I think it depends on phone, my 950XL produces dng file in about 20mb size. Think about the SD card size, it could be filled quickly.
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    07-11-2016 06:08 PM
  15. Saijin_Naib's Avatar
    Good question. Can't find it with a quick look around, but I'm sure it is in there.

    Maybe someone else knows?
    I've not found it in the registry yet in the obvious places. It may be easier to turn up when InteropTools gets searching soon.
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    07-12-2016 02:29 AM
  16. Axeelant's Avatar
    Are you not seeing DNG on your Lumia 930 already? You should be. It would be the same as my 1520. 5MP jpg + 16MP dng if shooting 16:9 ratio and 5MP jpg + 18MP dng if shooting 4:3 aspect ratio. If you are seeing this, then the Reg Edit is meaningless to you as you already have these values in your registry.

    RAW is a proprietary file type and different DSLR makers use differing file formats. So one program might open the Sony and Cannon RAW, but not the Fuji RAW. DNG is the "open standard" developed by Adobe so certainly Adobe products like Lightroom will open it. I'm sure you will find programs that won't open DNG even though it is meant to be universal.

    Nokia (and now Microsoft) went with DNG files and I don't know that there is even a way to switch off DNG in your phone and over to a RAW capture. It's nomenclature as they do the same thing (dump the sensor data), but also a file standard.
    Yes i do see it, but i have just now noticed what confused me. When you make a HDR picture in DNG mode, you will get 4 files out of it. EVminus, EV0, EVplus and another file named somethingRAW (this one is actually a JPG, but the RAW in it's name made me to believe all other files are RAW format and not DNG. Now that i check it again i see this is not true.

    Thanks again for explaining the difference to me :)

    Take care :D
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    07-12-2016 03:14 AM
  17. RumoredNow's Avatar
    When you make a HDR picture in DNG mode, you will get 4 files out of it. EVminus, EV0, EVplus and another file named somethingRAW (this one is actually a JPG
    I love this "trick" of getting all the brackets as DNG to give you choices of exposure to work from in post-shot edit. Or if you turn on HDR and Flash you get a Dynamic Flash JPG, a DNG with Flash and a DNG no flash.

    Last edited by RumoredNow; 07-12-2016 at 07:15 PM. Reason: typo monkey
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    07-12-2016 10:04 AM
  18. Axeelant's Avatar
    I love this "trick" of getting all the brackets as DNG to give you choices of exposure to work from in post-shot edit. Or if you turn on HDR and Flash you get a Dynamic Flash JPG, a DNG with Flash and a DNG no flash.

    MS really thought of everything :) Or Nokia for that matter :) Perfect for later editing. Also, if you compose the different exposure images together in Lightroom, the HDR that comes out is really almost the same as editing the Rich capture on the phone itself. Great stuff :D
    07-13-2016 06:11 AM
  19. Saijin_Naib's Avatar
    If you don't have Lightroom, I've found LuminanceHDR to be a great program for editing/compositing bracketed exposures.
    Bonus:
    • Free
    • Open-Source
    • Cross-Platform
    • Wide format support

    Have fun, gents!
    Luminance HDR - Browse Files at SourceForge.net

    Here's a three-shot (+/- 1 EV) composite from my Fuji HS25exr to give you an idea.
    11337032_10101324518516315_2541937807267791500_o.jpg
    07-13-2016 10:40 AM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Thanks, checking it out now.
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    07-13-2016 11:11 AM
  21. RumoredNow's Avatar
    I did this one entirely in Fotor from the 640 DNG ev+ file.

    I cropped it 16:9 (same as original) to remove a light pole in the lower right corner and that left me with a 5.0MP image. Applied the Landscape scene mode, used the Real-Illusion filter at 18% and then applied Tilt/Shift on the horizontal with a broad in-focus band across the mid section and the top and bottom 1/8th (1/4 of total picture) with diffused focus...


    dng_ev-_fotor_crop_landscape_real-illusion_tilt-shift.jpg
    Last edited by RumoredNow; 07-14-2016 at 01:16 PM. Reason: typo monkey
    07-14-2016 10:52 AM
  22. rhapdog's Avatar
    Okay, I downloaded the Interop Tools, enabled Developer Mode successfully. However, the tool will not install.

    It gives the warning, but when I tap "install", it just closes out and doesn't install. Running build 14393 on Lumia 640 LTE. Has Microsoft disabled the installation of this tool with this build? Anyone else able to install the tool on this build?

    EDIT: Nevermind. It's NOT in the All Apps list as stated in the instructions from RumoredNow. It is in Settings -> Extras -> Interop Tools.

    @RumoredNow: Please correct your instructions. ;)
    07-21-2016 10:08 AM
  23. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Okay, I downloaded the Interop Tools, enabled Developer Mode successfully. However, the tool will not install.

    It gives the warning, but when I tap "install", it just closes out and doesn't install. Running build 14393 on Lumia 640 LTE. Has Microsoft disabled the installation of this tool with this build? Anyone else able to install the tool on this build?
    Here's the thread on Interop Tools: http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...op-unlock.html The only mention in there of Insider Fast is back on 14367 that it was working.

    What version of the tool did you use? There is a v1.7 link in post #20 of that thread.

    Is the appx bundle on SD by any chance? I put v1.7 in the root folder of This Device on my 640 and it worked. Just yesterday I put v1.7 in the root folder of This Device on a non-Lumia and it worked. The 640 is on Insider Release and the non-Lumia was stock... So it may have been the build, but I can't say.
    07-21-2016 10:20 AM
  24. rhapdog's Avatar
    Here's the thread on Interop Tools: http://forums.windowscentral.com/win...op-unlock.html The only mention in there of Insider Fast is back on 14367 that it was working.

    What version of the tool did you use? There is a v1.7 link in post #20 of that thread.

    Is the appx bundle on SD by any chance? I put v1.7 in the root folder of This Device on my 640 and it worked. Just yesterday I put v1.7 in the root folder of This Device on a non-Lumia and it worked. The 640 is on Insider Release and the non-Lumia was stock... So it may have been the build, but I can't say.
    I must have edited my previous post while you were posting. Check it again. It did work, but your instructions on where to find it were wrong. :D

    I have it "sort of" working. I selected the 8MP + 8MP DNG though, because I'm shooting 4:3 ratio to get every pixel out of the sensor.

    However, I only get the full sized JPEG, and a 11.3MB DNG file that is 800x600 in size. Looks like a preview DNG or something. Not sure what is going on here. The file size is in accordance with what you were reporting, but I'm only getting the 800x600 pixel image uncompressed.

    I do believe the raw image file size is rather small for true raw images at any rate.

    I tried again at 16:9 ratio at 6MP, and I'm getting an 800x448 image.

    Please help me resolve this.
    07-21-2016 10:49 AM
  25. Saijin_Naib's Avatar
    Rhap,
    Sorry, he's not wrong. I talked with Gustav and he said that InterOp Tools should NOT be in Extra->Settings anymore since many versions of the tool ago.

    Make sure you're using his most recent release:
    https://mega.nz/#F!iZMhSSzI!sGQy4V12ubfvT8Abm2Uo1g

    Also, your DNG file is the proper resolution. Check it out on your desktop using another program, or check it on mobile using Rawer or another RAW editor app. For whatever reason it appears that phones that are modded to shoot DNG do not report the resolution properly in Photos. All of my 4:3 DNG report 800x600 in Photos as well.
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    07-21-2016 10:55 AM
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