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  1. Jimmy23au's Avatar
    Hi was considering switching from Lumia to ativ s does it have a good GPS app like here drive
    Exotic Hadron likes this.
    03-20-2013 06:28 AM
  2. Muessig's Avatar
    If I'm not mistaken the here drive app is available for all wp8 phones.
    03-20-2013 06:56 AM
  3. Vheissu's Avatar
    Muessig is correct Here Drive is available for all wp8 devices I have it on my 8x
    03-20-2013 07:01 AM
  4. Mankku's Avatar
    Depends on where you live though, I can't download it to my Ativ S, live in Finland Nokia-land
    03-20-2013 11:40 AM
  5. Coolknight1968's Avatar
    Nokia Here is only available in some markets. In Germany T-Mobile provides Navigon for free for WP8 devices that lack Nokia Here. I have Navigon, but I find it expensive for most people.
    03-22-2013 03:42 AM
  6. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    Depends on where you live though, I can't download it to my Ativ S, live in Finland Nokia-land
    Seems to depend on your SIM card, more specifically, on the MCC (Mobile Country Code) of your SIM card. So if you happen to use Rogers/T-Mobile USA/Verizon/Vodafon SIM in Finland, you will be able to use Nokia app, albeit being charged for roaming... But if you are using Sonera, Elisa, etc. - you are in trouble and you won't be able to pass MCC checks performed by the HERE Drive app upon its start.
    06-05-2013 11:14 AM
  7. neo158's Avatar
    Nokia Here is only available in some markets. In Germany T-Mobile provides Navigon for free for WP8 devices that lack Nokia Here. I have Navigon, but I find it expensive for most people.
    I used to use Navigon on my HD7, a little pricey as you say but it's the best alternative considering Tomtom isn't available.
    06-05-2013 03:16 PM
  8. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    That Garmin owned Navigon was good for WP 7.x, they provided tons of maps and the app worked well. Now that I am stuck. Look at this, getlemen. What countries is it for? No clue. Will I be able to run it in Finland provided that reportedly the app doesn't start in France. How come they provide such an expensive (for the Marketplace) app without even giving you a few runs to try it out? Spending like hundred plus EUR to just see it's not working would be terrible. They don't even have the app enlisted on their site! WTF, sir?
    06-06-2013 05:33 AM
  9. neo158's Avatar
    That Garmin owned Navigon was good for WP 7.x, they provided tons of maps and the app worked well. Now that I am stuck. Look at this, getlemen. What countries is it for? No clue. Will I be able to run it in Finland provided that reportedly the app doesn't start in France. How come they provide such an expensive (for the Marketplace) app without even giving you a few runs to try it out? Spending like hundred plus EUR to just see it's not working would be terrible. They don't even have the app enlisted on their site! WTF, sir?
    When I was using it there were maps for most if not all regions. But I know what you mean, a trial or make the app free and pay just for the maps would be a good thing for them to have.

    I did find it listed on the English website NAVIGON for Windows Phone 7 | NAVIGON - a Garmin company. though. I also found map coverage as well:

    NAVIGON Europe - Albania, Andorra, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Finland, France, Gibraltar, Greece, United Kingdom, Ireland , Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary, Vatican
    06-06-2013 07:12 AM
  10. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    When I was using it there were maps for most if not all regions. But I know what you mean, a trial or make the app free and pay just for the maps would be a good thing for them to have.

    I did find it listed on the English website NAVIGON for Windows Phone 7 | NAVIGON - a Garmin company. though. I also found map coverage as well:

    NAVIGON Europe - Albania, Andorra, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Finland, France, Gibraltar, Greece, United Kingdom, Ireland , Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary, Vatican
    Firstly, this is listed for Navigon for Windows Phone 7, yikes! I know all WP are supposed to run on every WP version, however there are, cough, examples that don't. Consider Navitel. Their version Navitel for Windows Phone 7 works specifically on Windows Phone 7 platform and won't run on Windows Phone 8.

    Going next. On this page, if you choose Maps, you will have the following list of maps:
    The best maps for better coverage



    NAVIGON Europe

    Albania, Andorra, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Finland, France, Gibraltar, Greece, United Kingdom, Ireland , Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Austria, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Hungary, Vatican
    Now choose Map coverage and, geez, it's different:
    [Country] [Coverage as a % of the population] [Points of Interest (POI)]

    Albania ~7% (1.314km) 416 POIs in 12 categories
    Austria ~99% (206.196km) 64.778 POIs in 60 categories
    Belarus ~4% (3.127km) 143 POIs in 10 categories
    Benelux ~99% (272.584km) 98.982 POIs in 64 categories
    Bosnia-Herzegovina ~13% (1.571km) 148 POIs in 8 categories
    British Isle (UK & Northern Ireland) ~99% (451.147km) 214.158 POIs in 75 categories
    Bulgaria ~25% (9.265km) 2.832 POIs in 47 categories
    Croatia ~69% (51.559km) 8.678 POIs in 53 categories
    Czech Republic ~99% (223.628km) 52.301 POIs in 59 categories
    Denmark ~99% (119.285km) 19.910 POIs in 55 categories
    Estonia ~99% (79.759km) 11.410 POIs in 54 categories
    Finland ~99% (610.483km) 21.735 POIs in 59 categories
    France (incl. Andorra & Monaco) ~99% (1.305.260km) 911.088 POIs in 68 categories
    Germany ~99% (1.074.804km) 324.685 POIs in 64 categories
    Greece ~99% (318.486km) 52.515 POIs in 70 categories
    Hungary ~99% (181.375km) 62.750 POIs in 61 categories
    Italy (incl. Vatican & San Marino) ~99% (718.221km) 186.742 POIs in 63 categories
    Latvia ~99% (99.158km) 6.029 POIs in 49 categories
    Lithuania ~99% (81.173km) 9.592 POIs in 47 categories
    FYROM ~8% (750km) 130 POIs in 12 categories
    Moldova ~28% (3.574km) 160 POIs in 7 categories
    Montenegro ~6% (490km) 53 POIs in 6 categories
    Norway ~99% (217.757km) 19.612 POIs in 55 categories
    Poland ~99% (658.022km) 115.767 POIs in 71 categories
    Portugal ~99% (189.892km) 48.653 POIs in 64 categories
    Republic of Ireland ~99% (96.880km) 10.509 POIs in 51 categories
    Romania ~10% (16.630km) 2.493 POIs in 42 categories
    Serbia ~6% (2.410km) 135 POIs in 10 categories
    Slovakia ~99% (89.370km) 15.078 POIs in 50 categories
    Spain ~99% (807.975km) 182.074 POIs in 67 categories
    Sweden ~99% (538.279km) 34.856 POIs in 59 categories
    Switzerland (incl. Liechtenstein) ~99% (126.100km) 73.421 POIs in 61 categories
    Russia ~42% (297.574km) 67.577 POIs in 61 categories
    Turkey ~29% (110.387km) 106.066 POIs in 66 categories
    Ukraine ~8% (14.274km) 60 POIs in 2 categories
    • So what's the real coverage? Will I be able to use it in Russia, Turkey, Ukraine (since they are listed as covered), or there is NO support for these maps for Windows Phone platform?
    • Do they support Windows Phone 8 platform? The page shows Navigon for Windows Phone 7 but the Download fuer Windows Phone link follows you to the page where there is NO support for Windows Phone 7. Instead, only Windows Phone 8 is listed as supported platform.


    Customers over at Russian Marketplace report there is NO map for Russia, although Ukraine is available. The coverage list has both present. So what is included and what is not, I wonder. )
    I believe the coverage list may have been borrowed from the iPhone platforms. Poor marketing guys at Garmin. Hundred bucks is pretty big money to throw it. I would've spent twice as much easily if I knew exactly what I get and what I don't.
    This really pisses me off! I only I could try the app even for a day and check to see if it even runs on my device and if it covers my desired locations, that would be perfectly enough for me to make a decision. What a bardak as we say in Hebrew.
    Last edited by Exotic Hadron; 06-07-2013 at 10:52 AM.
    06-07-2013 10:24 AM
  11. neo158's Avatar
    Firstly, this is listed for Navigon for Windows Phone 7, yikes! I know all WP are supposed to run on every WP version, however there are, cough, examples that don't. Consider Navitel. Their version Navitel for Windows Phone 7 works specifically on Windows Phone 7 platform and won't run on Windows Phone 8.

    Going next. On this page, if you choose Maps, you will have the following list of maps:


    Now choose Map coverage and, geez, it's different:


    • So what's the real coverage? Will I be able to use it in Russia, Turkey, Ukraine (since they are listed as covered), or there is NO support for these maps for Windows Phone platform?
    • Do they support Windows Phone 8 platform? The page shows Navigon for Windows Phone 7 but the Download fuer Windows Phone link follows you to the page where there is NO support for Windows Phone 7. Instead, only Windows Phone 8 is listed as supported platform.


    Customers over at Russian Marketplace report there is NO map for Russia, although Ukraine is available. The coverage list has both present. So what is included and what is not, I wonder. )
    I believe the coverage list may have been borrowed from the iPhone platforms. Poor marketing guys at Garmin. Hundred bucks is pretty big money to throw it. I would've spent twice as much easily if I knew exactly what I get and what I don't.
    This really pisses me off! I only I could try the app even for a day and check to see if it even runs on my device and if it covers my desired locations, that would be perfectly enough for me to make a decision. What a bardak as we say in Hebrew.
    Look at the Technical Data page, it states:

    "Compatible with all Windows Phone devices. NAVIGON Version 4.5 or later is compatible with Windows Phone 8 only."

    However, as you mention, the coverage is a major issue and those are big discrepancies between the two lists of countries covered.
    06-09-2013 11:52 AM
  12. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    Look at the Technical Data page, it states:

    "Compatible with all Windows Phone devices. NAVIGON Version 4.5 or later is compatible with Windows Phone 8 only."

    However, as you mention, the coverage is a major issue and those are big discrepancies between the two lists of countries covered.
    Yup, and I got it mentioned in my post above. But, look, that's what confuses you even further so. They could've been ever so slightly accurate with how they advertise the product name and its technical data, rightfully so. It says Navigon for Windows Phone 7, you drill down and you get that the product that advertises support for Windows Phone 7 does not offer support for this platform.

    I really appreciate the speed and responsiveness of Navigon Support, but that's what was in their prompt reply to my question regarding the coverage, I am quoting:
    Thank you for your e-mail.
    Unfortunately we do not provide the maps for Russia for Windows Phone.
    We only offer the application for Russia on the iPhone.
    The map coverage is the general coverage for all the countries that we support on all platforms.
    We understand it is confusing as you clicked on this link from the Windows Phone page.

    The information will be forwarded to the correct department and perhaps it will be adjusted.
    We apologize for the confusion and inconvenience.
    Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any other questions.

    Yours sincerely,
    _____________________
    NAVIGON Support Team

    I highly appreciate this swift response from the Navigon, because I was near to buying costly software that I would have not been able to use.

    I was shocked by how many customers in Russian market got n@iled with this offer from Navigon. Just imagine, you have a target market for a specific area and you have a product that is directly related to geolocation. The offer does not expressly tell that native location for the target market is NOT (surprise!) support by the product. Now you follow the product link to the international site, because Russian site is just as flat out empty and disorientating and those roads down to Mongolia, look for the detailed description of map coverage and get doubly confused because it says maps cover what they don't because there is no such maps, leave alone that confusion with Windows platform.
    06-17-2013 07:01 PM
  13. neo158's Avatar
    Yup, and I got it mentioned in my post above. But, look, that's what confuses you even further so. They could've been ever so slightly accurate with how they advertise the product name and its technical data, rightfully so. It says Navigon for Windows Phone 7, you drill down and you get that the product that advertises support for Windows Phone 7 does not offer support for this platform.

    I really appreciate the speed and responsiveness of Navigon Support, but that's what was in their prompt reply to my question regarding the coverage, I am quoting:



    I highly appreciate this swift response from the Navigon, because I was near to buying costly software that I would have not been able to use.

    I was shocked by how many customers in Russian market got n@iled with this offer from Navigon. Just imagine, you have a target market for a specific area and you have a product that is directly related to geolocation. The offer does not expressly tell that native location for the target market is NOT (surprise!) support by the product. Now you follow the product link to the international site, because Russian site is just as flat out empty and disorientating and those roads down to Mongolia, look for the detailed description of map coverage and get doubly confused because it says maps cover what they don't because there is no such maps, leave alone that confusion with Windows platform.
    Co-Pilot Live is available now and that covers Russia, not sure how good the coverage is though.
    06-18-2013 03:58 AM

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