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  1. Oversoul7's Avatar
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    Bellow are the screenshots so you can see it for your self. Thats the prove! :)
    Attachment 77549
    Boris, it seems that I use my phone more than yours! As a test i disabled mobile data and checked my whatsapp and the news only periodically, as a result I haven't charged it in 24 hours this morning it was at 70%, all this while using the white background instead of black! So i guess the battery is fine, just my usage causes the drainage...after all I rely on whatsapp and internet browsing alot and have my celluar data on virtually the entire time. But it must mean you are not on whatsapp etc. for long periods of time.

    Yes the firmware will arrive I am sure of it as well, I also am expecting it in september.I just hope for one thing: that the mobile data option will be added to the quick action menu, cause from what i've heard and seen so far it isn't there!!!! Only bluetooth, wifi and other customizable shortcuts! Why they would fail to include it makes absolutely no sense. Let's hope its just a developer preview thing.
    08-23-2014 04:09 AM
  2. Boris NevermorE's Avatar
    Boris, it seems that I use my phone more than yours! As a test i disabled mobile data and checked my whatsapp and the news only periodically, as a result I haven't charged it in 24 hours this morning it was at 70%, all this while using the white background instead of black! So i guess the battery is fine, just my usage causes the drainage...after all I rely on whatsapp and internet browsing alot and have my celluar data on virtually the entire time. But it must mean you are not on whatsapp etc. for long periods of time.

    Yes the firmware will arrive I am sure of it as well, I also am expecting it in september.I just hope for one thing: that the mobile data option will be added to the quick action menu, cause from what i've heard and seen so far it isn't there!!!! Only bluetooth, wifi and other customizable shortcuts! Why they would fail to include it makes absolutely no sense. Let's hope its just a developer preview thing.
    Really? a shortcut to mobile data can't be added to action center? Since i didn't go with developers preview, I don't know about that, but here I am, learning something every day :)
    I gave you my type of usage of the phone so you can compare it with yours. So we concluded that your battery is just fine. With that amount of usage, having your battery last for 24 hours, means your battery is perfect. i am sure that if you use your phone like i do, you will get the same battery life as mine.
    No, i am not a heavy Whatsapp user or any other social/messaging app user, i use them from time to time, when i want to check out whats going on. :)
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    08-23-2014 10:48 AM
  3. Macco26's Avatar
    Quick questions:

    1) if you have CSC ATO: what's the firmware your i8750 has got?
    2) Is it the latest one, AFAYK?
    2) What about those with CSC for Nothern EU Countries (can't remember the CSC acronym now, I mean Scandinavians)? Are they getting an even more recent firmware maybe?

    I'm still speaking about GDR3 firmware, of course. I wonder if switching to one of those would put me in the first lanes once Samsung opens the 8.1+fw update.

    (I have CSC DBT as of now, thus NOT EVEN getting GDR3... hence with a veeeery old firmware)
    08-24-2014 12:40 PM
  4. lzeta's Avatar
    The people with different firmware versions likely haven't got GDR3 yet, they are using the T899M version of the ATIV S which has different firmware as it uses LTE or they have the ATIV S Neo or ATIV SE.
    Thanks, infact my firmware version is 2424.13.10.1 and I think is the last release for GT-I8750 ATIV-S
    08-24-2014 02:14 PM
  5. Boris NevermorE's Avatar
    Quick questions:

    1) if you have CSC ATO: what's the firmware your i8750 has got?
    2) Is it the latest one, AFAYK?
    2) What about those with CSC for Nothern EU Countries (can't remember the CSC acronym now, I mean Scandinavians)? Are they getting an even more recent firmware maybe?

    I'm still speaking about GDR3 firmware, of course. I wonder if switching to one of those would put me in the first lanes once Samsung opens the 8.1+fw update.

    (I have CSC DBT as of now, thus NOT EVEN getting GDR3... hence with a veeeery old firmware)
    Ok here we go:
    1. ATO is a firmware for Austria. You do know what CSC means, right?
    2. ATO or NEE are CSC's that got the latest Update 3 (GDR3) and the OS version you will get with GDR3 should be: 8.0.10501.127 or 8.0.10512.142**, Firmware (or Firmware Revision Number) should be: 2424.13.11.2, that should be the numbers you get with GDR3.
    3. Northen EU Countries? I think you refer to NEE, which is Scandinavian CSC, and to be more precise, it's Swedish CSC. The trick with changing your CSC with ATO or NEE is about you to be able to download latest WP8 Update 3 (publicly known as GDR3). I got my GDR3 here in Macedonia through T-Mobile MK and I leave to stay on NEE, didn't went back to MBM who is my default CSC. It supposed to get the firmware among all others but that not necessarily means it will get it first. When Samsung release their firmware for WP8.1.1, we will get it faster than Nokia, cuz there are not that much Samsung WP phones they need to get it. In my calculations we should get the firmware right after IFA Berlin (Sept 5th - Sept. 10th 2014).
    The thing is, if you have ATO or NEE on your phone, then your phone or carrier is compatible with all those CSC's and you might be able to get the GDR3. I on my own ATIV S i8750 have 40 different CSC's which i thought is normal, but when i saw here on the forums that many of the people have 1 or up to 10 various CSC's on their phones. I guess i got lucky with 40 different CSC's, LoL.
    Hope this helped you :)
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    08-24-2014 03:13 PM
  6. Boris NevermorE's Avatar
    Thanks, infact my firmware version is 2424.13.10.1 and I think is the last release for GT-I8750 ATIV-S
    Nope, latest Firmware (Firmware Revision Number) for GDR3 is: 2424.13.11.2
    What's your OS Version? I think you got GDR2
    08-24-2014 03:18 PM
  7. cbmago's Avatar
    Hello,

    just to say that my firmware is 2424.13.10.1 too! My OS version is 8.0.10517.150. I have ATO selected, and im waiting too :)
    08-24-2014 03:31 PM
  8. Boris NevermorE's Avatar
    Hello,

    just to say that my firmware is 2424.13.10.1 too! My OS version is 8.0.10517.150. I have ATO selected, and im waiting too :)
    Well, you have GDR3 (8.0.10517.150), but a firmware from GDR2 (2424.13.10.1). Try changing ATO to NEE, and see if you can pick up the GDR3 firmware.
    Numbers for the full GDR3 should be like this:
    MS Update: 8.0.10517.150 (3rd and 4th number could vary 105xx.1xx)
    Firmware revision number: 2424.13.11.2
    Radio Software version: 2424.13.9.1
    Bootloader version: 13.08.14.16
    08-24-2014 03:39 PM
  9. cbmago's Avatar
    Thanks Boris, but i only have six CSC (ATO, BTU DBT, ITV XEF, XEO) no NEE.
    I have all that numbers, Firmware is the only one different
    08-24-2014 03:43 PM
  10. neo158's Avatar
    Well, you have GDR3 (8.0.10517.150), but a firmware from GDR2 (2424.13.10.1). Try changing ATO to NEE, and see if you can pick up the GDR3 firmware.
    Numbers for the full GDR3 should be like this:
    MS Update: 8.0.10517.150 (3rd and 4th number could vary 105xx.1xx)
    Firmware revision number: 2424.13.11.2
    Radio Software version: 2424.13.9.1
    Bootloader version: 13.08.14.16
    I had GDR3 with the 2424.13.10.1 firmware as well, it is one of the firmware versions for GDR3. I would assume that the 2424.13.11.2 firmware just fixes some minor issues with the previous firmware version that the rest of us have.
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    08-24-2014 03:49 PM
  11. Boris NevermorE's Avatar
    I had GDR3 with the 2424.13.10.1 firmware as well, it is one of the firmware versions for GDR3. I would assume that the 2424.13.11.2 firmware just fixes some minor issues with the previous firmware version that the rest of us have.
    It might be that, but when i did updates (from GDR1 to GDR2 and later GDR3) I write down all the numbers for each Update.
    When I update to GDR2, the firmware number was exactly like that 2424.13.10.1, so after that when i update to GDR3, the Firmware Revision number changed to 2424.13.11.2 (no additional update after getting GDR3), that's what confused me, and that's why i though 2424.13.10.1 is actually a GDR2 firmware, but ok, we learn something everyday :)
    08-24-2014 03:55 PM
  12. xxxneoxxx's Avatar
    I'm so hoping my battery life improves with Samsung firmware.. It's gotten way worse for me since 8.1. If i compare it with some of the things i read in this topic, i really don't get it. Battery sense shows no big drains what so ever. With limited usage of my Ativ, and it has been charging all night, i get to recharge it the next night again cause the remaining battery life has dropped under 30%/20%. Apps show virtually no usage except for the app Grin, which is an imgur app I do use several during the day. Which is not allowed to run in the background anyways.

    The only thing i can think of is dat cellular data is on, and wifi is on. And with "on" i mean that i don't explicitely turn them off when not using the phone. Wifi sense is off, the "keep wifi on when screen times out" setting is off.. Apps that are allowed to run in the background (but using almost no battery) are:

    * Tile clock (shows a clock on the homescreen)
    * Whatsapp
    * Onedrive (in order to upload photos in the background)
    * Regenmeter (a dutch local weather forecast)

    To try to track down the issue, I've turned off some apps that were also allowed to run in the background. Battery saver itself (read on several occasions that allowing it to run in background causes drains?), did the same for the default WP8 calender calender app (just to see if that matters) and another app called Upcoming Tile. Also set the screen to the most dark setting and disabling the sensor..

    Still, I have a feeling it's related with the Wifi/cellular data being on most of the time, and the crappy drivers probably in use in 8.1. :(
    I sometimes have bad cell reception in certain areas of my home. Could that be a cause for the phone to use a lot more battery aswell?
    08-25-2014 03:13 AM
  13. fl_x's Avatar
    Do you have many email accounts in your phone? I've noticed, that my sync settings where changed when I updated to 8.1
    Without any warning all my mail synced with the setting "on usage"

    Setting it back to hourly did the trick for me.
    08-25-2014 03:29 AM
  14. WinSammie's Avatar
    It might be that, but when i did updates (from GDR1 to GDR2 and later GDR3) I write down all the numbers for each Update.
    When I update to GDR2, the firmware number was exactly like that 2424.13.10.1, so after that when i update to GDR3, the Firmware Revision number changed to 2424.13.11.2 (no additional update after getting GDR3), that's what confused me, and that's why i though 2424.13.10.1 is actually a GDR2 firmware, but ok, we learn something everyday :)
    I changed CSC from DBT to ATO, then I got GDR3 with firmware 2424.13.10.1 also. Don't have NEE in the list.
    08-25-2014 03:39 AM
  15. megadragon998's Avatar
    This may be kinda offtopic, but could pro shot work better on our devices with new firmware update or is it hardware related?
    08-25-2014 04:38 AM
  16. neo158's Avatar
    This may be kinda offtopic, but could pro shot work better on our devices with new firmware update or is it hardware related?
    It could as the problems are related to firmware, it's all down to Samsung to fix the issues that prevent ProShot from working correctly.
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    08-25-2014 04:48 AM
  17. xxxneoxxx's Avatar
    Yep, 2 accounts.. My Live account, and also an exchange account. Live account set to daily, and the exchange account to manually. But maybe my post is somewhat offtopic in this topic. Although it could be related, i don't know. I think the bad reception could be the cause, combined with older drivers not properly working under 8.1 for example.
    08-25-2014 05:57 AM
  18. Boris NevermorE's Avatar
    Yep, 2 accounts.. My Live account, and also an exchange account. Live account set to daily, and the exchange account to manually. But maybe my post is somewhat offtopic in this topic. Although it could be related, i don't know. I think the bad reception could be the cause, combined with older drivers not properly working under 8.1 for example.
    Having mobile data and wi-fi finder (scanner) always ON, there is your problem. Those 2 things are among Top 5 most battery drainers, not just here on WP, but on Android and iOS too. Bad reception is another battery drainer, since your phone is trying harder at that time to connect to a cell tower. The harder it tries, the more battery will drain.
    Let's make a test. In the next week or let's say 10 days, try to keep mobile data and wi-fi scanner turned OFF. Only use them (turn them ON) when you need them, even if that happens 3-5 times per hour. When you need internet and you don't have a wi-fi spot to connect, turn the mobile data ON, finish what you have to finish online and then turn it OFF. Same goes for the wi-fi too. When you find a wi-fi spot, keep mobile data OFF and just use the wi-fi spot. When you finish, turn it OFF. Everything else you have just leave it as it is now (bg tasks, email settings etc.). Monitor closely your battery life in the next week or 10 days and see what results you will get.
    And by the way, your post is kinda OFF topic, but it's ON topic too, cuz you are expecting new firmware from Samsung, so, your post is ON topic :)

    P.S. Turning your mobile data (internet) off, will NOT turn your phone reception off (the radio part).
    08-25-2014 06:23 AM
  19. Macco26's Avatar
    3. Northen EU Countries? I think you refer to NEE, which is Scandinavian CSC, and to be more precise, it's Swedish CSC. The trick with changing your CSC with ATO or NEE is about you to be able to download latest WP8 Update 3 (publicly known as GDR3).
    Thanks, I know what a CSC is and even saw (not clicked) the Diagnosis screen where they are, once (being the cell of my wife I could do that juse once).
    I am sure that the mobile had ATO. Not quite sure of NEE. From what you all are saying, the latest firmware (despite a minor release) is downloadable once set CSC NEE (and hard reset), while ATO would get the 2nd place.
    I wonder if I may risk resetting and go the ATO route (while the cell is unused for 1 week) or better wait the official release (if ever!) of the 8.1+fw schedule, and discover if ATO would have been a better bet.
    In the meantime my fw is very ancient, as the CSC DBT didn't even got GDR3... Wonder if just that would solve some minor Bluetooth problems my wife encountered daily..
    08-25-2014 01:51 PM
  20. vicu9mx's Avatar
    Thanks Boris, but i only have six CSC (ATO, BTU DBT, ITV XEF, XEO) no NEE.
    I have all that numbers, Firmware is the only one different
    I'm on ATO too and same options as you, my firmware is 10.1 and wp 8.1 (8.10.12397.895)
    08-25-2014 03:16 PM
  21. lzeta's Avatar
    I have installed the DP and my OS version is 8.10.14157.200, the firmware 2424.13.10.1
    i only have six CSC (ATO, BTU DBT, ITV XEF, XEO) no NEE
    the last time I updated the firmware I switch to ATO CSC than tu ITV, because I'm in Italy
    I think that switching again to ATO CSC would be useless because the firmware would be the same
    Are you agree with me or I'll try to do it?
    08-25-2014 03:58 PM
  22. WinSammie's Avatar
    I have installed the DP and my OS version is 8.10.14157.200, the firmware 2424.13.10.1
    i only have six CSC (ATO, BTU DBT, ITV XEF, XEO) no NEE
    the last time I updated the firmware I switch to ATO CSC than tu ITV, because I'm in Italy
    I think that switching again to ATO CSC would be useless because the firmware would be the same
    Are you agree with me or I'll try to do it?
    I agree, let's monitor in this forum the CSC that gets 8.1 firmware first, we can always switch to that CSC then. I also only have ATO, BTU, DBT, ITV, XEF, XEO, and I'm on ATO now.
    Last edited by WinSammie; 08-26-2014 at 02:38 AM.
    08-25-2014 04:19 PM
  23. Oversoul7's Avatar
    Hey guys, this is something I found on some forum with guys like us waiting for the firmware release. The guy asked a local network carrier about gdr3 and 8.1 and says he's been told the release will be at end of August (in New Zealand), but its not clear whether its 8.1 or the gdr3 he was asking about. Don't take it as something definite, i just shared it for your entertainment.

    dave1234

    Reply # 1111097 19-Aug-2014 09:58

    I also emailed Telecom back in June and received this:
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    I understand that you would like to know to when the new firmware will be released for your Samsung Ativ S. At this time we do not have a confirmed time frame to release the update you mentioned although we are looking at end of August but cannot promise the actual time and day. Our product teams do evaluate software updates for mobiles on a continuous basis and we aim to make important updates available as soon as possible. There is a lot of work involved in development and testing to ensure the software works optimally for Telecom users. For this reason critical updates are prioritised over non-critical updates and in some cases non-critical updates may not be released.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    In my email I had asked both about GDR3 and 8.1 so I don't know which they are referring to (I would have thought both were software releases rather than firmware, but maybe the Ativ needs a firmware update too), but I'm assuming at this point that they will be skipping GDR3 and going straight to 8.1. I don't have a lot of faith in the timeline they gave me, but I thought I would share the info I have since others are also waiting patiently...



    Here is the link to the forum page:

    When is release for Windows Phone 8.1 for Samsung Ativ S 8750 in NZ
    08-26-2014 01:39 AM
  24. xxxneoxxx's Avatar
    Having mobile data and wi-fi finder (scanner) always ON, there is your problem. Those 2 things are among Top 5 most battery drainers, not just here on WP, but on Android and iOS too. Bad reception is another battery drainer, since your phone is trying harder at that time to connect to a cell tower. The harder it tries, the more battery will drain.
    Let's make a test. In the next week or let's say 10 days, try to keep mobile data and wi-fi scanner turned OFF. Only use them (turn them ON) when you need them, even if that happens 3-5 times per hour. When you need internet and you don't have a wi-fi spot to connect, turn the mobile data ON, finish what you have to finish online and then turn it OFF. Same goes for the wi-fi too. When you find a wi-fi spot, keep mobile data OFF and just use the wi-fi spot. When you finish, turn it OFF. Everything else you have just leave it as it is now (bg tasks, email settings etc.). Monitor closely your battery life in the next week or 10 days and see what results you will get.
    And by the way, your post is kinda OFF topic, but it's ON topic too, cuz you are expecting new firmware from Samsung, so, your post is ON topic :)

    P.S. Turning your mobile data (internet) off, will NOT turn your phone reception off (the radio part).
    I know that last part. I also think we had some miscommunications. :P
    Wifi sense is off. Wifi is on, but the "Keep wifi on when the screen times out" option is off. The screen time-out setting is set to 3 minutes. Cell data is on, but I think this is turned off when wifi is on? Anyways, i went through all kinds of guides online to help me conserve battery life already. THe only thing i refuse to to is turn wifi off manually every time. I mean, this feature is built in the OS, and I don't see how turning it off manually would work any better than having the OS do it when the phone is not in use.

    For example, the "send information about wi-fi connections to help discover nearby wifi" and "automatically connect to wi-fi hotspots" options are also both off.

    I haven't had such drains anymore, so i blame the bad reception the other day. Also, i disabled the "automatically adjust screen brightness", another thing i found online.. And just set the brightness to low. Even though i already have a dark background set. It probably all helps somewhat. The weird thing is that Battery Sense doesn't show any programs consuming a lot of battery in the background, so it must be something "under the hood"/in the OS itself.

    In my specific case, i've noticed battery life has taken a dive since the 8.1 update. But since we are all running older/not optimised drivers on a newer version of the OS with a lot of new features under the hood perhaps, i think we should all have noticed some decrease in battery life? I usually take post from people telling that they run their Ativ for 3 days on a single charge with a grain of salt nowadays. If you have some programs running in the background and use email sync and mobile data or wifi (in my opinion: "normal/light" smartphone use), i think most people would struggle to have the battery last 2 whole days. 3 days would only be possible with little to no usage, no connectivity what so ever and no programs running in the background probably, lol. If u use it in that way, might as well get a dumb phone, lol. :)

    /me is still having high hopes for updated drivers..
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    08-27-2014 05:12 AM
  25. Alex Boom's Avatar
    I guess they meant 8.1 release...GDR3 is too old to be expected at the same time the 8.1 will be released....but u never know..:)
    talking about the FW now, when i had the GDR2 i had different FW, that changed after i got the GDR3...it's possible that some devices can get the GDR3 without changing FW, possibly due to the devices/countries, shipped roms. Good news anyway...can't wait for the final 8.1...
    08-27-2014 05:18 AM
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