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  1. Skyjouby's Avatar
    It means bootloop. Windows Logo, Samsung Logo -> restart.
    Arf... I will stay in my poor 10.0.14291.1001...

    The .218 is indeed running pretty well on the Ativ S.
    One funny thing about the autofocus with the primary camera is that it works in some applications like the Authenticator but not in the Windows Camera application. How sad... :/
    And the front facing camera autofocus is working.
    I would really love to go back to 10586!
    For camera, I'm using Camera360Sight which is really good :)
    04-14-2016 06:08 PM
  2. Toutencarton's Avatar
    If you want to go back to the 10586 build, downgrade to WP8.1.1 using SMD Binary Downloader v3.54 to flash an factory ROM and then, upgrade to W10M (fast ring from WP8.1.1 to get 10586.107 then Release Preview Ring from 10586.107 to get 10586.218).
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    04-14-2016 06:21 PM
  3. Tien-Lin Chang's Avatar
    Attention 14322 does not work on the ATIV S anymore!
    I was too late to seeing this.....

    Now needs to rollback and start all over....=__=

    However being in W10M for few months, I really failed to see it's potential over WP8.1 especially on old devices....UWP support is the only reason it stay in my ATIV S thought.
    04-15-2016 04:25 AM
  4. Dave Velo's Avatar
    If you want to go back to the 10586 build, downgrade to WP8.1.1 using SMD Binary Downloader v3.54 to flash an factory ROM and then, upgrade to W10M (fast ring from WP8.1.1 to get 10586.107 then Release Preview Ring from 10586.107 to get 10586.218).
    I'm still on 8.1 update 2. I've reset all registry entries to their defaults. Windows update keeps asking me to update to 10586.29. If I initiate the update, do you know if the update will continue to .218? Thanks
    04-15-2016 08:40 AM
  5. Toutencarton's Avatar
    I'm still on 8.1 update 2. I've reset all registry entries to their defaults. Windows update keeps asking me to update to 10586.29. If I initiate the update, do you know if the update will continue to .218? Thanks
    Your problem is that it seems Windows Update has downloaded (or started downloading) the 10586.29 update before you restored your phone registry values. At this point, only a hard reset can save you because there is no simple way to reset Windows Update on Windows Mobile (if there is a way at all). And no, the update will not continue to 10586.218 because you restored the registry value and each time a system update is installed you need to re-enroll your phone in the insider program.
    04-15-2016 08:52 AM
  6. Dave Velo's Avatar
    I was too late to seeing this.....

    Now needs to rollback and start all over....=__=

    However being in W10M for few months, I really failed to see it's potential over WP8.1 especially on old devices....UWP support is the only reason it stay in my ATIV S thought.
    The only reason I went from 8.1 to 8.1 update 2 was the hope that my phone and my Logitech BT keyboard would communicate... they don't. Have you tested any BT functions on your phone?
    04-15-2016 09:02 AM
  7. Dave Velo's Avatar
    Your problem is that it seems Windows Update has downloaded (or started downloading) the 10586.29 update before you restored your phone registry values. At this point, only a hard reset can save you because there is no simple way to reset Windows Update on Windows Mobile (if there is a way at all). And no, the update will not continue to 10586.218 because you restored the registry value and each time a system update is installed you need to re-enroll your phone in the insider program.
    Hi, no I don't believe there was any attempt to start downloading 10586.29. Automatic Update is turned off. If I use the Upgrade Advisor app, It simply says there's an update available and to go to Phone Update. Perhaps all phones running 8.1 update 2 are automatically targeted for 10. Does that make sense?
    04-15-2016 09:48 AM
  8. Toutencarton's Avatar
    Hi, no I don't believe there was any attempt to start downloading 10586.29. Automatic Update is turned off. If I use the Upgrade Advisor app, It simply says there's an update available and to go to Phone Update. Perhaps all phones running 8.1 update 2 are automatically targeted for 10. Does that make sense?
    Automatic update turned off doesn't mean Windows Update cannot search for new update.
    And yes, It may be that maybe they check the system build number first, if not compatible, they perform a check on the phone manufacturer and so on.
    04-15-2016 11:53 AM
  9. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    Perhaps all phones running 8.1 update 2 are automatically targeted for 10. Does that make sense?
    It hardly is so. I had Windows Phone 8.1 Update 2 on the phone and Upgrade Advisor wasn't considering the phone as eligible for upgrading to Windows 10.
    Up until I changed PhoneManufacturer in DeviceTargetingInfo from SAMSUNG to NOKIA and enrolled into Windows Insider program I wasn't able to upgrade to Windows 10.
    04-15-2016 07:41 PM
  10. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    each time a system update is installed you need to re-enroll your phone in the insider program.
    I don't feel this is rightfully so.

    I've enrolled into Windows Insider program only once when the phone was on Windows Phone 8.1 Update 2.

    After that I underwent 3 updates (10586.107->.164 (soft reset) ->.218 (no reset), and i didn't do anything with my enrolment to run these updates. I haven't run Windows Insider anymore after upgrading once from 8.1 to 10.

    All updates to Windows 10 the phone received without me needing to play with enrollment into Windows Insider program.
    04-15-2016 07:53 PM
  11. Driesb's Avatar
    Same with me. After the .218 I did a hard reset and I am back to the Samsung settings. Now I am on the production ring, which I don't mind because I don't want to be on the fast ring.
    BTW: the black screen bug seems to be gone (4 days on .218).
    04-16-2016 05:48 AM
  12. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    Does anyone know what's the difference between the update procedure during live upgrade and update procedure executed during the reset?

    I mean it is quite obvious that a simple update from one build to another isn't enough. For example some system apps might not get correctly updated during the update procedure where resetting the phone almost by 100% is a solution.

    I thought Windows uses DISM in both cases, isn't it?
    04-16-2016 06:23 AM
  13. Dave Velo's Avatar
    I don't feel this is rightfully so.

    I've enrolled into Windows Insider program only once when the phone was on Windows Phone 8.1 Update 2.

    After that I underwent 3 updates (10586.107->.164 (soft reset) ->.218 (no reset), and i didn't do anything with my enrolment to run these updates. I haven't run Windows Insider anymore after upgrading once from 8.1 to 10.

    All updates to Windows 10 the phone received without me needing to play with enrollment into Windows Insider program.
    Yes, I believe you're correct. I haven't been enrolled in the program since 8.1 update 2 either. So, am I to understand that you updated from 8.1 update 2 to 10586.107 without first updating to 10586.29?
    04-16-2016 08:43 AM
  14. Dave Velo's Avatar
    Same with me. After the .218 I did a hard reset and I am back to the Samsung settings. Now I am on the production ring, which I don't mind because I don't want to be on the fast ring.
    BTW: the black screen bug seems to be gone (4 days on .218).
    Were you able to backup to the cloud before doing a hard reset? If so, were you able to restore your apps and settings?
    04-17-2016 02:08 AM
  15. Driesb's Avatar
    Were you able to backup to the cloud before doing a hard reset? If so, were you able to restore your apps and settings?
    Yes and yes
    Last edited by xandros9; 05-14-2016 at 07:30 PM.
    04-17-2016 03:41 AM
  16. Tien-Lin Chang's Avatar
    Just finishedthe rollback from 14233 to 8.1 update 1 then all the way to 10586.218

    However it's sad that I find after I reset and restored everything from my previous setting (14295.1004), I still couldn't add input method for other language in 10586.218.....I can't believe after these much versions MSFT still can fail on this simple thing....

    And yet this just a prefect DEMO of how terrible the restore system MSFT provide. I got everything settled in my previous working backup, I have 3 input method in two languages and just the US english in my list now. I have my scale down to 150% and my tiles are sitting well in a 4-column layup, the backup just reload all my tiles - in a 3-column layup. Am I supposed to be happy that this in not my daily phone and just limited apps/tiles were there so there's not much work to do? I'm getting tired of this half-baked BS...:(

    But I have to say that going production ring to build 218 I can feel the performance and soomthness are better than any build I've tried before. I guess I'll leave my device as my bed time reader...

    ######UPDATED######
    After received an update last night the keyboard language back to life. I can enjoy build 218 now.
    Last edited by Tien-Lin Chang; 04-17-2016 at 08:27 PM.
    04-17-2016 05:19 AM
  17. Tourniquet's Avatar
    But I have to say that going production ring to build 218 I can feel the performance and soomthness are better than any build I've tried before. I guess I'll leave my device as my bed time reader...
    I totally agree. 218 is the best windows 10 Build ever! I run OS Benchmark before:
    Windows Phone 8.1 Update: 473
    Windows Phone 8.1 Update 2: 454

    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 107: 303
    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 218: 504
    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 318: 483 (best battery life)
    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 456: 535
    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 545: 454
    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 589: 495
    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 633: 521(fixed battery drain?)
    Windows 10 Mobile TH2 713: 512

    Windows 10 Mobile RS1 103: 493
    Windows 10 Mobile RS1 189: 498

    Windows 10 Mobile RS2 14965: 541 (Graphics improvements)

    This is the overall score from OS Benchmark 2.
    Last edited by Tourniquet; 12-13-2016 at 06:54 PM.
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    04-17-2016 02:43 PM
  18. lukas_ita's Avatar
    Has anyone tried redstone builds?
    04-18-2016 05:38 AM
  19. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    Has anyone tried redstone builds?
    Yes. Reports were, RS1 (14XXX) builds are no longer supported on ATIV S.

    After you update the phone to the latest RS1 build and restart the phone, you will no longer be able to boot into Windows. The phone will stuck in a boot loop.

    Attention 14322 does not work on the ATIV S anymore!
    04-18-2016 06:27 AM
  20. ronfante's Avatar
    Just finishedthe rollback from 14233 to 8.1 update 1 then all the way to 10586.218

    However it's sad that I find after I reset and restored everything from my previous setting (14295.1004), I still couldn't add input method for other language in 10586.218.....I can't believe after these much versions MSFT still can fail on this simple thing....

    And yet this just a prefect DEMO of how terrible the restore system MSFT provide. I got everything settled in my previous working backup, I have 3 input method in two languages and just the US english in my list now. I have my scale down to 150% and my tiles are sitting well in a 4-column layup, the backup just reload all my tiles - in a 3-column layup. Am I supposed to be happy that this in not my daily phone and just limited apps/tiles were there so there's not much work to do? I'm getting tired of this half-baked BS...:(

    But I have to say that going production ring to build 218 I can feel the performance and soomthness are better than any build I've tried before. I guess I'll leave my device as my bed time reader...

    ######UPDATED######
    After received an update last night the keyboard language back to life. I can enjoy build 218 now.
    forum.xda-developers.com/windows-phone-8/development/rom-custom-spvrom-t3319771 just for the future, there is already .218 ready :)
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    04-18-2016 06:31 AM
  21. Exotic Hadron's Avatar
    am I to understand that you updated from 8.1 update 2 to 10586.107 without first updating to 10586.29?
    If I am not mistaken, after you enroll into Windows Insider program, the phone installs two updates in a row: .107 and .164.

    But maybe these are 29 and 107, I can't say for sure.
    04-18-2016 06:34 AM
  22. Dave Velo's Avatar
    If I am not mistaken, after you enroll into Windows Insider program, the phone installs two updates in a row: .107 and .164.

    But maybe these are 29 and 107, I can't say for sure.
    There is one thing that is causing me some trepidation. According to MS website, Windows 10 Mobile updates are automatic. Once I commit to 10, is there a way to prevent MS from downloading Redstone? Or do I have to worry about that?
    04-18-2016 07:26 AM
  23. Skyjouby's Avatar
    There is one thing that is causing me some trepidation. According to MS website, Windows 10 Mobile updates are automatic. Once I commit to 10, is there a way to prevent MS from downloading Redstone? Or do I have to worry about that?
    Hi Dave,
    In fact, when you are in Wp 8.1, the WIndows Insider app has 2 choices if you subscribe: Insider Slow and Insider Fast.

    When you update your mobile to WM 10.10586, your Windows Insider app will evoluate with another choice: Production.
    In WM10.10586, you have to subscribe on more time to the ring you want to go on. At this moment, if you choose Production ring, you'll stay in 10.10586 while if you choose Insider Fast ring, you'll upgarde to Redstone.
    That's it ;)
    04-18-2016 12:04 PM
  24. Dave Velo's Avatar
    Hi Dave,
    In fact, when you are in Wp 8.1, the WIndows Insider app has 2 choices if you subscribe: Insider Slow and Insider Fast.

    When you update your mobile to WM 10.10586, your Windows Insider app will evoluate with another choice: Production.
    In WM10.10586, you have to subscribe on more time to the ring you want to go on. At this moment, if you choose Production ring, you'll stay in 10.10586 while if you choose Insider Fast ring, you'll upgarde to Redstone.
    That's it ;)
    Thanks for your support Skyjouby. Since I've set all the registry settings back to their defaults, Insider doesn't have any builds for the ativ s. However, the Update Advisor app shows that my phone can download .29 and Windows update keeps nagging me to do so. From what I've read, .218 seems to be working pretty well. Do you concur? Cheers!
    04-18-2016 02:05 PM
  25. Skyjouby's Avatar
    Thanks for your support Skyjouby. Since I've set all the registry settings back to their defaults, Insider doesn't have any builds for the ativ s. However, the Update Advisor app shows that my phone can download .29 and Windows update keeps nagging me to do so. From what I've read, .218 seems to be working pretty well. Do you concur? Cheers!
    Hi Dave, sorry for the delay...
    In fact, I cannot help you more about 10.10586, as I am in Redstone for a moment...

    Redstone is really not recommended so I must go back to 10/10586, but I have no time to to it for the moment :/

    Hope you have stil found the answer!
    04-22-2016 05:42 AM
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