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  1. mary beth hale's Avatar
    Wooooo....does that say $99 for the Samsung?
    wooooo is right but I checked Verizon website and it still says $199. damn
    04-26-2014 01:51 PM
  2. deadwrong03's Avatar
    Wooooo....does that say $99 for the Samsung?



    Yes but keep in mind this was the Microsoft store they have the full retail of both phones as $599 as well prices differ from verizon





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    04-26-2014 02:00 PM
  3. Matthew Becker1's Avatar
    Yea, still waiting on WPCentral's ATIV SE review. A shame that all that was posted yesterday was the "Don't Install WP 8.1 on the ATIV SE" article which, while valid, seems to insinuate that the ATIV SE can't handle OS 8.1 while everything is acceptable on Nokias running 8.1 .
    I don't see that insinuation in the article. The point is that the ATIV SE's issues are to the point where the phone is almost unusable, whereas consumers using other devices (not just Nokia) seem to be faring better. There was no mention of Nokia anywhere in the body of the article.
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    04-26-2014 02:52 PM
  4. mary beth hale's Avatar
    I don't see that insinuation in the article. The point is that the ATIV SE's issues are to the point where the phone is almost unusable, whereas consumers using other devices (not just Nokia) seem to be faring better. There was no mention of Nokia anywhere in the body of the article.
    hadn't thought of it that way. thanks.
    04-26-2014 03:09 PM
  5. anon(5445874)'s Avatar
    I would never purchase a Samsung product. I liked them in the past but don't really like them anymore. And the Nokia cameras are simply the best. Samsung cannot compete, and if you look at the numbers... Samsung has not been competing at all. (at least when it comes to WP) Also, Ativ is a week name.
    04-26-2014 03:13 PM
  6. Kazashimo's Avatar
    I would never purchase a Samsung product. I liked them in the past but don't really like them anymore. And the Nokia cameras are simply the best. Samsung cannot compete, and if you look at the numbers... Samsung has not been competing at all. (at least when it comes to WP) Also, Ativ is a week name.
    I don't buy Samsung anymore either...i did in the past when they only made flip phones, but I just haven't liked the quality of their electronics in general.
    04-26-2014 03:18 PM
  7. A895's Avatar
    I would never purchase a Samsung product. I liked them in the past but don't really like them anymore. And the Nokia cameras are simply the best. Samsung cannot compete, and if you look at the numbers... Samsung has not been competing at all. (at least when it comes to WP) Also, Ativ is a week name.
    Camera? I will concede that.

    Numbers? This is like their 4th WP in almost two years of course their numbers are abysmal.

    Competing? Do you mean by price? Because most Lumias sold (according to numbers) are low end devices.

    Name? Completely subjective.

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    04-26-2014 03:19 PM
  8. A895's Avatar
    I don't buy Samsung anymore either...i did in the past when they only made flip phones, but I just haven't liked the quality of their electronics in general.
    Any particular reason? Or is this just Samsung circle jerk?

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    04-26-2014 03:20 PM
  9. Kazashimo's Avatar
    Many reasons, their choice of material, how they market high end specs with mid range build quality (phones, laptops and TVs)... Their dedication to Android, their low end phones are so bad all around, specs and hardware, and they are usually hideous.

    Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and I'm very passionate about technology and design as a whole. Some people might not agree, but I respect that.

    On the other hand, I have really enjoyed what Nokia has been doing with the Lumia line. Although I've never owned many Nokia devices in the past, one of my favorite old phones of theirs was the music xpress (5500 I think it was?).
    04-26-2014 03:29 PM
  10. Narathan's Avatar
    Nothing wrong with Samsung devices except when it comes to looks. They pack some serious hardware and manage to cram it into a very light package, which I find very impressive!
    Design wise, I still miss the quality/look/feel of the say, Omnia 7. That was my first WP7 device and boy did I love that thing...

    samsung-omnia-7-3-1-.jpg

    Have to agree with the materials being used for housing. It's a weird kind of plastic with a cheap feel, but its actually pretty durable. I bet if they gave it a rubberized matte finish, it would already be a lot better instead of hyperglazing everything. Or fake leather stitches.
    04-26-2014 04:53 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    I`m still not getting the fascination with material choices or design. We all used to rock ugly feature phones years ago. And it is becoming increasingly obvious that no matter how good an OEM`s devices look (HTC, Nokia) it does not mean they will do well. And regardless of looks I look at what does device bring to the table for me as a tool (because smartphones are tools and a means to an end) that is worth me spending hundreds of dollars on? If we are going for pure function Samsung wins every time (if we are talking about Android with something like the S5 or Note 3). With regards to the Ativ SE vs the Lumia Icon, the Samsung wins for the fact it will without a doubt be more useful with a micro SD card slot and a removable battery.
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    04-26-2014 05:14 PM
  12. J Ice70's Avatar
    I would never purchase a Samsung product. I liked them in the past but don't really like them anymore. And the Nokia cameras are simply the best. Samsung cannot compete, and if you look at the numbers... Samsung has not been competing at all. (at least when it comes to WP) Also, Ativ is a week name.
    I was disappointed and returned the last two Smart Blu-Ray player I purchased. I went with a samsung and could not be happier.

    Anyhow, although I considered the Ativ SE becuase of MicroSD slot, a MicroSD slot holds less value to me without the fantastic camera and video of the Icon. So Icon it is.

    I also went so far as to a keep 6" block of wood in my pocket at work for a few hours to see if the 1520 would be a good phone for me, not something I could get use to. It's all a matter of preference and needs.
    04-26-2014 05:52 PM
  13. brau0303's Avatar
    Some additional information: I will not speculate weather or not Ativ is a weak name, I can add that the Samsung Ativ product line extends beyond WP devices, there are tablets and 2 in Ones.The product line has been active for several years and while not really well known they seem to sell well and are well made (the Tablets and 2 in Ones are not made of plastic). just wanted to share some additional info.

    Cheers
    BR

    I would never purchase a Samsung product. I liked them in the past but don't really like them anymore. And the Nokia cameras are simply the best. Samsung cannot compete, and if you look at the numbers... Samsung has not been competing at all. (at least when it comes to WP) Also, Ativ is a week name.
    04-26-2014 06:02 PM
  14. Batt1eRatt1e's Avatar
    Exactly! The sad thing is that similar articles from other sites all reported wpcentral as "source". Confused because I thought the problems they alerted people to were randomly happening to many different phones post 8.1 and not the Ativ SE specifically.
    I don't find this too concerning. 8.1 is not in it's final build and released to the public. Once the official final version is released I'm sure the ATIV SE will get it. I don't like to update until the final build is released. I never rooted or did all that under the table stuff on Android and risk problems happening because I couldn't wait for an official final build.
    04-26-2014 09:15 PM
  15. BrooklynGal's Avatar
    I too, am trying to decide between the ATIV SE and Icon. I am concerned about the problems regarding 8.1 upgrade and the ATIV SE . Has any one read/heard about these problems happening with the Icon? I'm still using my Samsung Omnia ll, which has lasted about 4 years. I do prefer a removable battery and SD card on the ATIV. I do prefer the built in FM radio on the Icon. Regarding the full resolution matter, Is it a huge difference between 4:3 and 16:9? I realize the Icon takes 2 photos; one in RAW and I'll have to keep track on those because the Icon has 32 gb which I read is actually formatted to be 26 gb. On the Icon, I probably won't use all of the camera settings either on the installed camera or the Nokia camera. I prefer saving the photos and music to an SD card for an easier transfer. I favour a removable battery in case a soft reset is needed; although, pressing both the power and volume down buttons is the solution for the Icon. I also favour it in case the battery drains down.

    I've seen both in the store and both felt comfortable . Regarding the Icon, the touchscreen seemed to flow a bit easier and the screen appeared brighter, but that could have just been a setting. Photos on both looked good. Videos looked good, with the Icon's looking just a tad clearer. Call quality on both were good, the ATIV seemed a bit clearer both on the handset and speakerphone. Wish one phone had all the features I want just as the Omnia ll did.
    04-26-2014 09:28 PM
  16. BrooklynGal's Avatar
    Has anyone read if the upgrade to 8.1 has any negative affects on the Icon? I too, am trying to decide between the two. Is there a big difference regarding the 4:3 and 16:9 full resolutions? I prefer an SD card and removable battery. I realize the Icon saves 2 copies of photos, one in RAW format which uses about 25 mb. I would have to be sure to keep tabs on that because even though the Icon has 32 gb of storage, I read somewhere that it is actually formatted to be 26 gb. I probably will not use all of the features on the both the Nokia camera and the regular camera on the Icon. I believe both phones have cameras with auto focus. I also prefer a built in FM radio of which the Icon has.

    I have seen both in the store. Both felt comfortable. The Icon's touchscreen seemed to flow a bit easier and was also brighter, but, that could have been a setting adjustment. Both took good photos. Both took good videos; the Icon's was just a tad clearer. Call quality on both were good both on the handset and speakerphone; although, the ATIV was a bit clearer.
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    04-26-2014 09:56 PM
  17. Kazashimo's Avatar
    Has anyone read if the upgrade to 8.1 has any negative affects on the Icon? I too, am trying to decide between the two. Is there a big difference regarding the 4:3 and 16:9 full resolutions? I prefer an SD card and removable battery. I realize the Icon saves 2 copies of photos, one in RAW format which uses about 25 mb. I would have to be sure to keep tabs on that because even though the Icon has 32 gb of storage, I read somewhere that it is actually formatted to be 26 gb. I probably will not use all of the features on the both the Nokia camera and the regular camera on the Icon. I believe both phones have cameras with auto focus. I also prefer a built in FM radio of which the Icon has.

    I have seen both in the store. Both felt comfortable. The Icon's touchscreen seemed to flow a bit easier and was also brighter, but, that could have been a setting adjustment. Both took good photos. Both took good videos; the Icon's was just a tad clearer. Call quality on both were good both on the handset and speakerphone; although, the ATIV was a bit clearer.
    I don't know much about either phone, but I did make a mistake in the past and chose an HTC 8x over a Lumia 820. You don't realize how much you're missing out on until you've owned a Lumia, and then went with a different make. I regretted my decision so much that I ended up selling my 8x on Craigslist for $90 just so I could buy a Lumia 520 for $90. I couldn't have been happier. Buying a windows phone that isn't a Lumia, to me, feels like eating a $20 meal at run down restaurant.

    That's just my opinion, I know it doesn't really answer your question, but it's food for thought.
    04-26-2014 10:43 PM
  18. A895's Avatar
    I don't know much about either phone, but I did make a mistake in the past and chose an HTC 8x over a Lumia 820. You don't realize how much you're missing out on until you've owned a Lumia, and then went with a different make. I regretted my decision so much that I ended up selling my 8x on Craigslist for $90 just so I could buy a Lumia 520 for $90. I couldn't have been happier. Buying a windows phone that isn't a Lumia, to me, feels like eating a $20 meal at run down restaurant.

    That's just my opinion, I know it doesn't really answer your question, but it's food for thought.
    Not really food for thought if you didn't give explicit reasons why you sold your 8X.

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    04-26-2014 11:21 PM
  19. Kazashimo's Avatar
    Not really food for thought if you didn't give explicit reasons why you sold your 8X.
    Oh Sure.

    One of the main reasons why it didn't feel like a true windows phone was the lack of Nokia exclusive apps. Mix radio, camera apps... Certain accessories (Nokia branded headphones 🎧), and at the time, there was no voice navigation on Bing maps. Every article, every new thing on Windows phone was Nokia this, Nokia that. HTC was the red headed step child, and Samsung was the kid next door. I wanted the whole experience, specs didn't matter, it was being a part of every innovation with the OS that mattered. That's where Windows Phone would shine, with a Lumia. I know that there is obviously better support for other manufacturers now, but history is the best teacher. I don't want to end up feeling left out in the future, and Microsoft has put all their cards in Nokia's basket...hell, they bought the damn basket. So if I'm going to use a mobile OS, I would rather take the failsafe path and go with the OS provider's own hardware.

    I'm just the kind of person that goes all in, not stick my head in the door and wait for something to happen.

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    04-26-2014 11:45 PM
  20. A895's Avatar
    The apps that are Nokia exclusives now are not really all that. The apps that I think should have been universal from the beginning Nokia HERE, and Drive are now available on all WPs now. As far OS itself, it's literally the same on every WP. Nokia is not changing much as compared to how much OEMs can change on Android for example. That's why on the outside looking in, I don't see what's the big deal of going to Nokia really. What's interesting most of all, defects were reported by all the Nokia devices but I have never really heard anything crippling on the Ativ SE, Ativ S, Ativ Odyssey, or 8X/8S. This tells me Nokia has some quality control issues as well. How do they keep releasing flagship devices with bugs? The 1520 had the touchscreen bug, and the Icon has WiFi issues.

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    04-27-2014 07:27 AM
  21. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I find it hilarious that people keep harping on the issues of "Nokia Phones"

    Having owned a 920(2 different models as I wanted the colors), 810(my first nokia), 928, Briefly a 925, a 1020 and a 1520 now...the ONLY major issue i've ever had thatr scared me was when i had the "Gears of death" thing when the phone supposedly bricked itself if you factory reset on the 920, though it actually managed to fix itself.

    My 1520 does have the issue of when the Screen inverts the colors but that RARELY happens and it happens all of 3-4 seconds before it rights itself?

    You do realize Samsung is now having issues of their own with their Galaxy Line of Phones aka their Bread & Butter where people can't even use the CAMERA on their phone as it becomes permanently disabled to the point where it is unusable and people are having to exchange their Galaxy S5 for another one(or a different model). I don't think that has ever happened with Lumias.

    Also, in the early days of the Galaxy S series, the phone was unusable for its GPS! Check the Samsung Captivate(Galaxy S variant for Att) and I believe Samsung Vibrant(Tmobile's Galaxy S variant). You could not use the GPS on those phones because of some issue with the hard/ware/software thus you couldn't reliably use maps because it would report your location being far and far away.

    Didn't Apple also have some defects & Quality control issues of their own?

    My point being is IF Nokia has some issues with Quality control(Which you are Exaggerating), stop acting as if Samsung's products are instantly better for that reason because they have their own issues as does ANY manufacturer as there truly is no perfect device that is bug free.
    The apps that are Nokia exclusives now are not really all that. The apps that I think should have been universal from the beginning Nokia HERE, and Drive are now available on all WPs now. As far OS itself, it's literally the same on every WP. Nokia is not changing much as compared to how much OEMs can change on Android for example. That's why on the outside looking in, I don't see what's the big deal of going to Nokia really. What's interesting most of all, defects were reported by all the Nokia devices but I have never really heard anything crippling on the Ativ SE, Ativ S, Ativ Odyssey, or 8X/8S. This tells me Nokia has some quality control issues as well. How do they keep releasing flagship devices with bugs? The 1520 had the touchscreen bug, and the Icon has WiFi issues.

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    04-27-2014 08:06 AM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    This is precisely why I now will not buy anything non-microsoft. I have a Surface and I wished that Microsoft would make a laptop of Surface Quality but for now my Surface Pro(and later this year when Surface Pro 3 is announced, I'll get the Surface Pro 2 during the holidays).

    Microsoft makes the best tablet to me and choosing anything other than Surface(or perhaps Lenovo's Yoga) Series seems less to me. Same with Nokia. The OS might be the same on them underneath it all, but the fact of the matter is, that Nokia(now microsoft) has a proven reputation of being the BEST for windows phone and as you said going to other OEMs does make me feel like I am sort of going down in quality.

    I am not opposed to checking other OEMs out, but it would be Samsung or Sony....Samsung is crap and they sell 2nd hand junk to people who gladly accept 2nd hand devices with no issue whatsoever.
    I don't know much about either phone, but I did make a mistake in the past and chose an HTC 8x over a Lumia 820. You don't realize how much you're missing out on until you've owned a Lumia, and then went with a different make. I regretted my decision so much that I ended up selling my 8x on Craigslist for $90 just so I could buy a Lumia 520 for $90. I couldn't have been happier. Buying a windows phone that isn't a Lumia, to me, feels like eating a $20 meal at run down restaurant.

    That's just my opinion, I know it doesn't really answer your question, but it's food for thought.
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    04-27-2014 08:13 AM
  23. A895's Avatar
    I find it hilarious that people keep harping on the issues of "Nokia Phones"

    Having owned a 920(2 different models as I wanted the colors), 810(my first nokia), 928, Briefly a 925, a 1020 and a 1520 now...the ONLY major issue i've ever had thatr scared me was when i had the "Gears of death" thing when the phone supposedly bricked itself if you factory reset on the 920, though it actually managed to fix itself.

    My 1520 does have the issue of when the Screen inverts the colors but that RARELY happens and it happens all of 3-4 seconds before it rights itself?

    You do realize Samsung is now having issues of their own with their Galaxy Line of Phones aka their Bread & Butter where people can't even use the CAMERA on their phone as it becomes permanently disabled to the point where it is unusable and people are having to exchange their Galaxy S5 for another one(or a different model). I don't think that has ever happened with Lumias.

    Also, in the early days of the Galaxy S series, the phone was unusable for its GPS! Check the Samsung Captivate(Galaxy S variant for Att) and I believe Samsung Vibrant(Tmobile's Galaxy S variant). You could not use the GPS on those phones because of some issue with the hard/ware/software thus you couldn't reliably use maps because it would report your location being far and far away.

    Didn't Apple also have some defects & Quality control issues of their own?

    My point being is IF Nokia has some issues with Quality control(Which you are Exaggerating), stop acting as if Samsung's products are instantly better for that reason because they have their own issues as does ANY manufacturer as there truly is no perfect device that is bug free.
    I never mentioned Samsung Galaxy devices. I'm talking about WP. How can I exaggerate when I see these problems in these forums a lot.

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    04-27-2014 08:22 AM
  24. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    TOO FUNNY.

    We also used to use outhouses as regular bathrooms before having a bathroom inside the house became the new thing?
    My point...Things change & evolve.

    Comparing people's perspective from 20 years ago really has no bearing on present day time. People nowadays DO want a phone that looks good and is made well. There is nothing wrong with that.

    I could see if phones were as cheap as phones were back then..they aren't. People are spending 500-1000 dollars on phones(whatever OS) and i'd hope they'd also take in effect the look and design of a phone. You also have to realize that it is not just the LOOK of the phone people like me who hate Samsung(Or those who hate Nokia lmao) complain about it is about the feel.

    Samsung's Phone feel cheap(Like Cheap tupperware) and they always feel like they are about to break. I am sure they are durable but they FEEL cheap and if i am dropping $199 or even 3-4 times that on a phone, I want a phone that feels good.

    If you simply want a TOOL...get a Lumia 520/521 or one of the lower scale Models of phones as those phones have the exact Same OS features as any other Windows Phone, just less Hardware features. You obviously got the SE(or higher end Lumias) because you liked how they look and what they do for you so it is not a fascination. It's "you brought what you wanted because it is what warranted your money."

    Furthermore, on pure function? Samsung does not win everytime. You sound like an extremely delusional Fanboy. Most of Samsung's Android phones have Gimmicks. All they market are their gimmicks.

    The HTC One(both 2013 and 2014 versions), Sony's Xperia Line and LG G Series are extremely comparable phones that lack some gimmicks of Samsung(thus their phones are slightly less bloated) yet they have their own special tricks and weapons. So no...Function wise, Samsung does not win anything "hands down"

    Samsung does not "Win" for having a SD card or removable battery....My 1520 has the removable card and it is largely irrelevant to me. I use it because i have it but if i didnt i would've just brought the 32 GB model like i did with my other Lumias and the removable battery ruins the design to me. I prefer the look & Feel of unibody.

    It wins FOR YOU....that's all.

    Samsung, like Apple the company it copies, is king of an excellent Marketing plan that sells it devices to the masses(Sheeple as people would call them if they used Apple).

    Sorry for triple posts, it's hard to multiquote using WPcentral app. They really do need to fix that(And I wished tapatalk was better as i loved it on other OS but it is abysmal on WP)
    I`m still not getting the fascination with material choices or design. We all used to rock ugly feature phones years ago. And it is becoming increasingly obvious that no matter how good an OEM`s devices look (HTC, Nokia) it does not mean they will do well. And regardless of looks I look at what does device bring to the table for me as a tool (because smartphones are tools and a means to an end) that is worth me spending hundreds of dollars on? If we are going for pure function Samsung wins every time (if we are talking about Android with something like the S5 or Note 3). With regards to the Ativ SE vs the Lumia Icon, the Samsung wins for the fact it will without a doubt be more useful with a micro SD card slot and a removable battery.
    04-27-2014 08:23 AM
  25. A895's Avatar
    This is precisely why I now will not buy anything non-microsoft. I have a Surface and I wished that Microsoft would make a laptop of Surface Quality but for now my Surface Pro(and later this year when Surface Pro 3 is announced, I'll get the Surface Pro 2 during the holidays).

    Microsoft makes the best tablet to me and choosing anything other than Surface(or perhaps Lenovo's Yoga) Series seems less to me. Same with Nokia. The OS might be the same on them underneath it all, but the fact of the matter is, that Nokia(now microsoft) has a proven reputation of being the BEST for windows phone and as you said going to other OEMs does make me feel like I am sort of going down in quality.

    I am not opposed to checking other OEMs out, but it would be Samsung or Sony....Samsung is crap and they sell 2nd hand junk to people who gladly accept 2nd hand devices with no issue whatsoever.
    Just because it's plastic it's second hand junk? If you look at the actual specs and dimensions of the ATIV SE, it is unlike any other phone Samsung produced last year. It's actually taller, and thicker than the S4. Samsung has had the same plastic design language for years. How can you go down in quality? Its the same OS in look and feel. A few exclusive apps and all of sudden it's so foreign compared to other WP's?

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    04-27-2014 08:28 AM
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