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  1. radmanvr's Avatar
    Battery life is no longer an issue for me I have one of them portable chargers thats like 12,000mah and can charge my phone to full from 0 about 3 times.
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    04-07-2014 09:23 AM
  2. radmanvr's Avatar
    :D LOL "Since the Icon has the better camera than the Samsung and all of the other specs are equal, then the Icon is the winner."

    First of all, Im from Finland "a.k.a Nokia land"
    I stopped reading at this part.
    04-07-2014 09:30 AM
  3. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    For all those who praise Nokia's build quality, I can point to people in the 920 and 928 forums who have returned at least 3 units with build quality issues.

    Say what you want about Samsung's plastic, they know how to make it well and it holds up just as good as what Nokia produced.
    Strongly disagree with that lol there is is no comparison to Samsung mess to Lumia hardware lol.

    My roommate is ordering this phone and I'm doing my best to convince him to get the icon.

    Other OEMs can bother. But Samsung can stick with their galaxy as far as I'm concerned.

    I want HTC and Sony because at least their hardware will likely be attractive and better built vs Samsung's uninspired cheap mess.
    04-07-2014 11:06 AM
  4. Loco5150's Avatar
    I stopped reading at this part.
    And you have to say it because? you think someone cares?
    04-07-2014 11:30 AM
  5. Tony_Offends_U's Avatar
    Strongly disagree with that lol there is is no comparison to Samsung mess to Lumia hardware lol.

    My roommate is ordering this phone and I'm doing my best to convince him to get the icon.

    Other OEMs can bother. But Samsung can stick with their galaxy as far as I'm concerned.

    I want HTC and Sony because at least their hardware will likely be attractive and better built vs Samsung's uninspired cheap mess.
    I can tell you're one of those people who eat what everyone else eats, wears the clothes everyone else wears, listens to whatever music everyone is listening to, and says the same thing everyone else says. You sound like the collective WP Samsung haters all rolled into one person.

    I agree with the previous poster that Samsung > Nokia in terms of build quality. I've had the original Galaxy S, Samsung Focus, Focus S, Focus Flash. NONE of them had problems dealing with hardware/build quality. Now, ask me about my Lumia 900 and 920. I still have my 920 around here somewhere. Screen flickers all the time, can't use the FFC at all because of all the dust, light bleeding, creaking, gets hot while using HERE Drive whereas my wife's 8XT stays cool and even charges while using the same app. And please tell me what Nokia is building all these phones out of, I'm sure it's plastic.

    I encourage you to stop being blind.
    04-07-2014 11:39 AM
  6. Kage Maru's Avatar
    Man, it's bad enough that we have stupid Android and iphone fanboys that harp on those who prefer WP, but to have people here argue and bicker over OEMs?

    Basically, IMO, it boils down to a less capable camera versus slightly more battery life and more storage options. Build quality and these other factors are all a matter of preference from person to person. Seriously, there are a lot of unnecessary posts in this thread.

    I also agree that the blind Nokia love is pretty bad here. I love my Icon, but no OEM is perfect, including Nokia. So it's good to have options and people here shouldn't be jumping on those who are considering the alternative options to enjoy WP.

    On topic, I wonder how much better the battery life will be on the Ativ. I always thought they should have used at least a 2600 mAh battery, if not a 3000 mAh, in the Icon. So it'll be interesting to see the difference there.

    As for me, if the camera was better on the Ativ, I would probably consider switching. As of right now though, the slightly larger battery isn't enough when my Icon still gets me through a day just fine.
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    04-07-2014 02:13 PM
  7. Loco5150's Avatar
    ^ Yes exactly.

    I would love to have a Nokia and the camera, but for the last year I honestly have found the Ativ S to be the best WP device. This is my opinion and I have no problem if someone says the L920 is better. For me it really wasnt.

    The battery difference between Ativ S / L920 is due to bigger battery 2300 / 2000 mAh and amoled / LCD. (At least these)

    I wonder whats the size of the SE's battery?
    04-07-2014 02:41 PM
  8. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Strongly disagree with that lol there is is no comparison to Samsung mess to Lumia hardware lol.

    My roommate is ordering this phone and I'm doing my best to convince him to get the icon.

    Other OEMs can bother. But Samsung can stick with their galaxy as far as I'm concerned.

    I want HTC and Sony because at least their hardware will likely be attractive and better built vs Samsung's uninspired cheap mess.
    Well, we are agree to disagree. Build quality is subjective. There are many iPhones, Galaxies and Lumias out there with issues. They're TECH devices and lemons are out there.

    Personally, I'd rather have more OEMs involved to give people choice. If you like Nokia, good for you. Whenever people ask me about what phone to get, I first ask them what THEY want the phone do, and show them how to phone shop smartly, not trying to convince them based on what I think they should get or not.

    I've probably owned or used more cell phones than many people here will own in their life within the past 10 years. Build quality is subjective and individual.
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    04-07-2014 03:03 PM
  9. Kage Maru's Avatar
    I wonder whats the size of the SE's battery?
    It's 2600 mAh.
    04-07-2014 03:52 PM
  10. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I had to like and thank that post because it was hilarious.
    If i followed trends, I'd own an iPhone or a Galaxy and be on imore or android central not here with the 3rd best OS and smartphone.

    It has nothing to do with being "Blind". If anything anyone who supports Samsung's rehash and lack of marketing and half-done support is Blind.

    I've owned a 810, 920, 928, 1020 and 1520(not to mention my siblings have Lumias now thanks to me...521 and 1020 and my mother recently got a 1020 after trying the 925).

    I've never had an issue with my hardware on any Lumia(Nor have they). I am not saying there are not issues. I am sure there are issues. There are issues with any phone. Nothing is perfect.

    On the Android side, Samsung phones are essentially all hype and marketing. If I had to buy an Android phone, it would be a Sony or HTC or if necessary a Motorola. I'd buy a ZTE windows phone before I'd buy Samsung...and that's saying something.

    Their phones feel cheap, they are uninspired with the design(Lumias follow the same design true...yet they are at least easily differentiated for the most part), Their UI on Android Phones is not that great and essentially a childish copy of other UI/OS(The Irony of Samsung Fans before calling Windows Phone UI childish...yet touchwiz is even worse. I remember those days on AC lol).

    I remember poor reception and horrible GPS that Samsung Phones had...that were heavily reported and complained about(Samsung is NOT known for their stellar cellular reception). Camera is average at best. I can go on.

    Samsung Fans are a lot like Apple fans....They will accept whatever Samsung throws out even if it is a rehash and scraps and they will band together against others who don't appreciate or accept rehashes. It's not even the fact that it is a rehash of hardware....It's the fact that not only you are giving us your recycled scraps, you don't do ANYTHING to market your devices and it proves you don't care enough about your customers.

    I appreciate what Nokia has done and continued to do...Even HTC differentiated with their windows phones with Beats and a VERY attractive design. If a company with as bad luck as HTC managed to design some stellar hardware there is no reason Samsung Can't, other than they don't care. Nokia has in turn done way more for the platform than anyone and it's funny to me the Nokia hate people have because without Nokia, who would've gotten the apps we do have? Samsung? LMFAO

    What does a Samsung Phone have that Nokia and Windows Phone have? What is that it factor that showcases they truly do care about their Windows Phone customers?

    Oh I forgot...they have an SD Card and a slightly larger battery and an IR blaster...Cool then.
    I can tell you're one of those people who eat what everyone else eats, wears the clothes everyone else wears, listens to whatever music everyone is listening to, and says the same thing everyone else says. You sound like the collective WP Samsung haters all rolled into one person.

    I agree with the previous poster that Samsung > Nokia in terms of build quality. I've had the original Galaxy S, Samsung Focus, Focus S, Focus Flash. NONE of them had problems dealing with hardware/build quality. Now, ask me about my Lumia 900 and 920. I still have my 920 around here somewhere. Screen flickers all the time, can't use the FFC at all because of all the dust, light bleeding, creaking, gets hot while using HERE Drive whereas my wife's 8XT stays cool and even charges while using the same app. And please tell me what Nokia is building all these phones out of, I'm sure it's plastic.

    I encourage you to stop being blind.
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    04-07-2014 06:12 PM
  11. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Oh i agree Build Quality is subjective though most people would agree that Samsung is not known for their Stellar Hardware.

    Windows Phone problem isn't a lack of good hardware(Again we have Lumias that cover virtually every spec point and crap like the ATIV line).

    It's Microsoft's slowness and the issue of the apps/games not being available(or not being at equal features as their counterparts). So many people always say we need this manufacturer or that manufacturer...No we need developers to really start giving a damn and properly supporting their apps.

    I THINK i managed to convince my roommate to get the Icon. Between now and then i guess we will see, though I hope he does get the Nokia.... :D
    Well, we are agree to disagree. Build quality is subjective. There are many iPhones, Galaxies and Lumias out there with issues. They're TECH devices and lemons are out there.

    Personally, I'd rather have more OEMs involved to give people choice. If you like Nokia, good for you. Whenever people ask me about what phone to get, I first ask them what THEY want the phone do, and show them how to phone shop smartly, not trying to convince them based on what I think they should get or not.

    I've probably owned or used more cell phones than many people here will own in their life within the past 10 years. Build quality is subjective and individual.
    04-07-2014 06:16 PM
  12. A895's Avatar
    I had to like and thank that post because it was hilarious.
    If i followed trends, I'd own an iPhone or a Galaxy and be on imore or android central not here with the 3rd best OS and smartphone.

    It has nothing to do with being "Blind". If anything anyone who supports Samsung's rehash and lack of marketing and half-done support is Blind.

    I've owned a 810, 920, 928, 1020 and 1520(not to mention my siblings have Lumias now thanks to me...521 and 1020 and my mother recently got a 1020 after trying the 925).

    I've never had an issue with my hardware on any Lumia(Nor have they). I am not saying there are not issues. I am sure there are issues. There are issues with any phone. Nothing is perfect.

    On the Android side, Samsung phones are essentially all hype and marketing. If I had to buy an Android phone, it would be a Sony or HTC or if necessary a Motorola. I'd buy a ZTE windows phone before I'd buy Samsung...and that's saying something.

    Their phones feel cheap, they are uninspired with the design(Lumias follow the same design true...yet they are at least easily differentiated for the most part), Their UI on Android Phones is not that great and essentially a childish copy of other UI/OS(The Irony of Samsung Fans before calling Windows Phone UI childish...yet touchwiz is even worse. I remember those days on AC lol).

    I remember poor reception and horrible GPS that Samsung Phones had...that were heavily reported and complained about(Samsung is NOT known for their stellar cellular reception). Camera is average at best. I can go on.

    Samsung Fans are a lot like Apple fans....They will accept whatever Samsung throws out even if it is a rehash and scraps and they will band together against others who don't appreciate or accept rehashes. It's not even the fact that it is a rehash of hardware....It's the fact that not only you are giving us your recycled scraps, you don't do ANYTHING to market your devices and it proves you don't care enough about your customers.

    I appreciate what Nokia has done and continued to do...Even HTC differentiated with their windows phones with Beats and a VERY attractive design. If a company with as bad luck as HTC managed to design some stellar hardware there is no reason Samsung Can't, other than they don't care. Nokia has in turn done way more for the platform than anyone and it's funny to me the Nokia hate people have because without Nokia, who would've gotten the apps we do have? Samsung? LMFAO

    What does a Samsung Phone have that Nokia and Windows Phone have? What is that it factor that showcases they truly do care about their Windows Phone customers?

    Oh I forgot...they have an SD Card and a slightly larger battery and an IR blaster...Cool then.
    This is just blind Samsung hate. There is no other words for it. You can't open your mind enough to let other OEMs come in and make WPs? Small as the market share and user base is, Samsung coming and making WPs is a good thing no matter how you slice it.
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    04-07-2014 08:01 PM
  13. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    This is just blind Samsung hate. There is no other words for it. You can't open your mind enough to let other OEMs come in and make WPs? Small as the market share and user base is, Samsung coming and making WPs is a good thing no matter how you slice it.
    lol blind Samsung hate? K then. Unless sSamsung puts marketing behind this and any of their future devices nothing will change for them.
    04-07-2014 08:35 PM
  14. A895's Avatar
    lol blind Samsung hate? K then. Unless sSamsung puts marketing behind this and any of their future devices nothing will change for them.
    Change for them? They are the biggest smartphone manufacturer on the planet, you should be asking is it going to make change for WP.

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    04-07-2014 08:56 PM
  15. freestaterocker's Avatar
    If I were looking to replace my 8X I'd choose the Icon. Imaging and audio recording is far more important to me than a MicroSD slot. I've done well with 16 GB on the 8X and backup regularly to preserve my pictures and not run out of space that 32 GB would be more than enough.

    I'm very curious to see if all the Samsung support calls I get for the Galaxy Note2/3 and S3/S4 transfer over to Windows Phone as well. I'm guessing they won't, cause I see a lot of the same issues on other Android phones as the Samsungs.
    If the Ativ S is any indication, the answer would be no... In the almost year and a half I've had mine I haven't had to deal with light leaks, random reboots, poor battery life, warranty exchanges or replacements, none of the issues owners of multiple Nokia devices have had to deal with. I have a 32gb micro SD card with over 26gb of locally stored Xbox music pass content, and about 8gb worth of games and apps taking up space on the built in memory. The Ativ SE (provided it came to Canada) would've been my next phone, but the dedicated camera button is something I'm not prepared to give up just yet. This time around I'll be going with the Lumia 930. I guess I gotta start figuring out what's on my current phone that I can live without... :/
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    04-07-2014 09:18 PM
  16. Honestabebread's Avatar
    Just to throw in my two cents, I think both devices have comparable selling points. The Icon has a better camera, wireless charging, 32GB storage and dat build quality. The SE has an IR blaster, SD card + removable battery, and probably a faster camera shutter. Really tough call with these two.

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    04-07-2014 09:37 PM
  17. freestaterocker's Avatar
    Why is everyone saying the ATIV SE is cheap plastic? Isn't it going to be a brushed aluminum phone? Samsung was mostly held back by the RAM hungry Android OS they're by no means a bad OEM. If you care about the long term success of WP as an OS then we need a major OEM like Samsung to push Nokia to new heights. No competition is only a bad thing for consumers. I own a Lumia 928 and my next phone with either be the Icon or ATIV SE I haven't decided yet. Unless of course the rumored Sony Windows Phone comes out and changes my mind before then.
    No it's plastic made to look like brushed aluminum, just like the Ativ S that I'm typing this on. Imo it doesn't make it any lower quality. Here's some food for thought: if I drop the Ativ SE and the Icon from the same height at the same angle and they both fall and land identically, the laws of physics tell us that between the reduced force the Ativ lands with, thanks to its lower mass, and the flexible nature of plastic vs rigid aluminum, the screen of the Samsung will absorb less vibrational energy than the screen of the icon, and thereby be statistically less likely to break than that of the Icon. Heft and rigidity do not always translate to durability.
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    04-07-2014 10:25 PM
  18. mary beth hale's Avatar
    comparing the lumia icon /Samsung ativ se is kind of an exercise in futility at this point, since the ativ has not had "hands on" or reviews yet. comparison on specs only often does not tell the whole story so I will be really interested to see what's written when it gets some "real-world" usage.
    I certainly hope that when the ativ se is actually being used and critiqued, any arguments against it will be well thought out and transcend the usual "Samsung phones are plastic, unsupported trash" genre.
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    04-07-2014 11:09 PM
  19. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Sigh....and I was the one who was called Blind?

    TL, DR: Overall, Unless Samsung begins to change and do something different with their windows phones, they will be at the bottom of the barrel. Samsung fans can gobble up their recylced phones...I prefer to go for the company who at least innovates and works hard for the OS

    I am aware that they are the biggest smartphone manufacturer but i meant change for them on the Windows Phone side. it doesn't matter what phone they throw out...on paper the SE sounds great and all with its specs but unless they change they wait they treat their windows phones and their customers, nothing will change for them. Eventually, someone will start challenging them(I certainly hope so....LG already is) on Android and it won't surprise me if i hear that Samsung is starting to go the apple route(they already copy apple as is) with people starting to become bored with them. It's already happening with the GS5

    People keep saying they want this OEM to come out and that is the wrong way of looking at it. If these OEMS are just goign to make a phone and throw it out there(Samsung's Method) then yes they can keep their crap because don't give us or any potential customers something is going to look good but other than that you don't do anything with it. If they are going to throw out just something to say they have something there...Which is likely what is happening with the SE, then they can keep it because it won't help the Market share much. LOoks at the Lumia line up and the current ATIV line-up as of today.

    It's like having someone work on a big project together. You have that one person who is 110 percent dedicated(Nokia), the one who tries their best but they are not exactly the strongest teamplayer(HTC) and then you have that one that is just showing up jus tot say they were there, and later reap any type of success while not really doing anything and letting the others do the work.

    Here's an Example....Samsung's hideously made/designed Galaxy Zoom...Considering that Nokia already brought something like the 1020 out, why not try to make it a go with a Galaxy Zoom with Windows Phone?

    Their Galaxy Mega which i believe is larger than my 1020...Why not bring it to Windows Phone side if they are going to rehash something? It could compete with the 1320.

    If Nokia could do it, Samsung can....they just don't want to because of course they can screw up the OS like they do with Android and thank goodness for that.

    On the plus side, I managed to convince my roommate to get an Icon so all is well now.
    Change for them? They are the biggest smartphone manufacturer on the planet, you should be asking is it going to make change for WP.

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    04-08-2014 03:56 AM
  20. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    That may be true....but at the same time, I'd prefer a company make a well designed phone vs a cheaply made phone.....The Icon looks and feels premium

    The ATIV S(and alll of Samsung's Phones)...don't.

    I'd take the more fragile phone if it meant i was actually getting my money's worth with it.,
    No it's plastic made to look like brushed aluminum, just like the Ativ S that I'm typing this on. Imo it doesn't make it any lower quality. Here's some food for thought: if I drop the Ativ SE and the Icon from the same height at the same angle and they both fall and land identically, the laws of physics tell us that between the reduced force the Ativ lands with, thanks to its lower mass, and the flexible nature of plastic vs rigid aluminum, the screen of the Samsung will absorb less vibrational energy than the screen of the icon, and thereby be statistically less likely to break than that of the Icon. Heft and rigidity do not always translate to durability.
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    04-08-2014 03:57 AM
  21. A895's Avatar
    Sigh....and I was the one who was called Blind?

    TL, DR: Overall, Unless Samsung begins to change and do something different with their windows phones, they will be at the bottom of the barrel. Samsung fans can gobble up their recylced phones...I prefer to go for the company who at least innovates and works hard for the OS

    I am aware that they are the biggest smartphone manufacturer but i meant change for them on the Windows Phone side. it doesn't matter what phone they throw out...on paper the SE sounds great and all with its specs but unless they change they wait they treat their windows phones and their customers, nothing will change for them. Eventually, someone will start challenging them(I certainly hope so....LG already is) on Android and it won't surprise me if i hear that Samsung is starting to go the apple route(they already copy apple as is) with people starting to become bored with them. It's already happening with the GS5

    People keep saying they want this OEM to come out and that is the wrong way of looking at it. If these OEMS are just goign to make a phone and throw it out there(Samsung's Method) then yes they can keep their crap because don't give us or any potential customers something is going to look good but other than that you don't do anything with it. If they are going to throw out just something to say they have something there...Which is likely what is happening with the SE, then they can keep it because it won't help the Market share much. LOoks at the Lumia line up and the current ATIV line-up as of today.

    It's like having someone work on a big project together. You have that one person who is 110 percent dedicated(Nokia), the one who tries their best but they are not exactly the strongest teamplayer(HTC) and then you have that one that is just showing up jus tot say they were there, and later reap any type of success while not really doing anything and letting the others do the work.

    Here's an Example....Samsung's hideously made/designed Galaxy Zoom...Considering that Nokia already brought something like the 1020 out, why not try to make it a go with a Galaxy Zoom with Windows Phone?

    Their Galaxy Mega which i believe is larger than my 1020...Why not bring it to Windows Phone side if they are going to rehash something? It could compete with the 1320.

    If Nokia could do it, Samsung can....they just don't want to because of course they can screw up the OS like they do with Android and thank goodness for that.

    On the plus side, I managed to convince my roommate to get an Icon so all is well now.
    So obviously you don't want no other OEM besides Nokia. That's okay. Just say it. Considering the amount of Samsung Ativ SE posts lately, there are some that are interested. No matter what I say, you are biased towards Nokia. That's ok, we all have favorite OEMs.

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    04-08-2014 07:45 AM
  22. radmanvr's Avatar
    And you have to say it because? you think someone cares?
    So you are saying that you would never share a thought unless you thought someone cared?
    04-08-2014 07:48 AM
  23. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    So obviously you don't want no other OEM besides Nokia. That's okay. Just say it. Considering the amount of Samsung Ativ SE posts lately, there are some that are interested. No matter what I say, you are biased towards Nokia. That's ok, we all have favorite OEMs.

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    I don't want any manufacturer who is not going to put the muscle behind the OS to help bring attention to it. Simply releasing a phone won't do.

    I am a nokia fan but there are things about Nokia I wish that were better. I am not blind to anything with Nokia or windows phone.

    Of course people are interested in the phone....aside from the icon/930, this is unfortunately the only other high end phone. That really doesn't mean anything

    This phone likely will be just like the odyssey before it...a Samsung windows phone that Verizon sells that nobody bought because they didn't market it or add an it factor.

    Wait....i keep forgetting. The it factor is its sd card and ir blaster.

    (I wonder if the icon had the removable battery and sd card and ir blaster what would the excuse be then)
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    04-08-2014 07:57 AM
  24. A895's Avatar
    I don't want any manufacturer who is not going to put the muscle behind the OS to help bring attention to it. Simply releasing a phone won't do.

    I am a nokia fan but there are things about Nokia I wish that were better. I am not blind to anything with Nokia or windows phone.

    Of course people are interested in the phone....aside from the icon/930, this is unfortunately the only other high end phone. That really doesn't mean anything

    This phone likely will be just like the odyssey before it...a Samsung windows phone that Verizon sells that nobody bought because they didn't market it or add an it factor.

    Wait....i keep forgetting. The it factor is its sd card and ir blaster.

    (I wonder if the icon had the removable battery and sd card and ir blaster what would the excuse be then)
    Samsung does not have to out extra effort in something that is not its bread and butter. They put out the obligatory WP here and there, but their money is with Android and ghats where the $$$ for marketing goes. It's a case of if someone goes in a Verizon store are they going to be told the pros and cons of the SE and the Icon in order go make an informed decision? The Odyssey was a terrible phone, but the Ativ SE is miles better, so it might do much better. Samsung is not just doing nothing, they put an IR blaster, Samsung Casting software, and Attic Beam to send stuff to other NFC devices. Its not as half hearted as before.

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    04-08-2014 08:25 AM
  25. mary beth hale's Avatar
    I've noticed most conversation re: Samsung vs Nokia end up with the Nokia faction taking on almost a religious fervor, especially when it comes to any question of support.
    When Nokia started making Windows Phones they HAD to go in all or nothing. They HAD to support it to the Nth degree. Someone in a previous thread used the "all their eggs in one basket" analogy and that is an apt comparison. Nokia was drowning at the time. Did this commitment to Windows OS result in beautiful phones that took wonderful advantage of the Windows OS? Absolutely! But Nokia is a big business, not a humanitarian entity that took on Windows Phone out of the goodness of their heart. Hopefully Samsung will throw some of its massive marketing power towards these new phones, resulting in a larger/stronger Windows Phone market share.
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    04-08-2014 10:29 AM
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