01-26-2015 09:42 AM
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  1. Ltauhmise's Avatar
    I've been using the Lumia Icon as my daily driver for about 8 months now. I picked up an Ativ SE off ebay the other day and it will be arriving soon. Of these two phones, which would you say is better?

    I love the build quality of the Icon. The clear black display. And have always been a nokia fanboy.

    On the other hand... the SE has micro sd card support and a removable battery.

    What do you guys think?
    01-05-2015 08:01 AM
  2. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I would choose Icon because you'll actually get some OEM support. Last I heard there is still little or no support from Samsung on Ativ.
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    01-05-2015 08:15 AM
  3. bmetelsky's Avatar
    I've had the Lumia Icon and thought it was a pretty quality phone. My only concerns with the Icon were that the firmware updates were way behind other carriers and they would have fixed, hopefully, the occasional overheating and delayed wake while running the phone with the developer preview. It was a quality phone and hopefully will be updated by VZW in the next few months.

    Having not used the Ativ SE, I cannot really say much. I never needed SD support on the Icon because of the 32 GB memory. I never even got close to using that up. I prefer phones with no removable battery. I figure one less thing to fall apart if I drop the phone. The Icon always carried me through the day with no need for recharge, as long as I recharged it at night.

    Did you just get bored with the Icon? Is that why you are looking to change?
    01-05-2015 08:21 AM
  4. Ltauhmise's Avatar
    A little bored. Yes. And the Ativ SE looks very attractive aesthetically. The brushed metal back looks nifty. Also a little lighter in the hand. Im not unhappy with my Icon. I actually own 2 icons. A black and white. Just looking to try something new.
    01-05-2015 10:10 AM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The SE is stuck on 8.0 for now and it's anyone's guess when VZW will release Update 1. It's a Samsung so don't expect Denim or Hey Cortana. I've had the SE and it's a fantastic device. The camera is awesome and SD card support is a must for me. But that's me, your posts indicate that you're just looking for something shiny and new. You won't be disappointed after using it for a few days.
    01-05-2015 11:05 AM
  6. chinesepiratefood's Avatar
    I have loved my SE. If you don't use a case the back cover of the phone will get scuffed, and STILL no 8.1 update. Other than that great phone.
    01-05-2015 03:57 PM
  7. Rogozinski's Avatar
    Personally i think the Ativ SE is a better choice then the Icon. Before the Ativ SE I used the 930 and I am more satisfied with the Ativ. Like the Icon/930 the Ativ SE camera is also great. Photo's in my opinion are even better and sharper on the Ativ! Also Important are the removable battery and the sd-card. The screen is clear and beautiful, and the device is really fast. On both devices still no 8.1 but rumors say it will come this month. Only minus for me is that for the Ativ SE are not so many accesoires like cases. But I bought a nice transparent case on Ebay :)
    01-06-2015 08:00 AM
  8. Slovenix's Avatar
    It's a hard one. For camera I'd go for Lumia, for use a Ativ SE ;) thru both have their goodies.
    01-06-2015 08:02 AM
  9. wraedeo_hed's Avatar
    Hands down, the SE is the winner. Faster, lighter, more attractive, more functional.

    The only valid shortcomings:

    1. The camera is superior (easily) as long as there is ample light. Low light the Nokia wins.

    2. Currently the SE is only on 8.0, but can be upgraded to the DP if done correctly. Factory reset, DP install, DP update, and then manual install of all previous apps. Don't use "Restore".
    01-07-2015 07:17 AM
  10. JP8296's Avatar
    Hands down, the SE is the winner. Faster, lighter, more attractive, more functional.

    The only valid shortcomings:

    1. The camera is superior (easily) as long as there is ample light. Low light the Nokia wins.

    2. Currently the SE is only on 8.0, but can be upgraded to the DP if done correctly. Factory reset, DP install, DP update, and then manual install of all previous apps. Don't use "Restore".
    SE is faster? why? And the camera is better on the SE (13mp) vs pureview (20mp)?
    01-07-2015 07:31 AM
  11. Slovenix's Avatar
    SE is faster? why? And the camera is better on the SE (13mp) vs pureview (20mp)?
    Cos pixels doesn't matter, surprisingly Samsung Camera does an awesome job in normal light, in my opinion even better than Lumias. Lumia is low light hands down the best out there. It's about the sensor AND software algorithms making pictures better. And "PureView" is just a naming.

    For normal lights I'd go with Samsung Cameras while in low lights and Manual controls and Lens I'd go with Lumia.
    01-07-2015 09:46 AM
  12. vicu9mx's Avatar
    The SE is stuck on 8.0 for now and it's anyone's guess when VZW will release Update 1. It's a Samsung so don't expect Denim or Hey Cortana. I've had the SE and it's a fantastic device. The camera is awesome and SD card support is a must for me. But that's me, your posts indicate that you're just looking for something shiny and new. You won't be disappointed after using it for a few days.
    Also don't expect screen sharing over wifi in SE ( I get dissapointet of this feature because the 1520 can do it and later the Icon)
    01-07-2015 09:59 AM
  13. xandros9's Avatar
    The SE is stuck on 8.0 for now and it's anyone's guess when VZW will release Update 1. It's a Samsung so don't expect Denim or Hey Cortana. I've had the SE and it's a fantastic device. The camera is awesome and SD card support is a must for me. But that's me, your posts indicate that you're just looking for something shiny and new. You won't be disappointed after using it for a few days.
    You can't expect a Nokia-specific firmware on a non-nokia anyway.
    You can expect a Samsung firmware, just unnamed.

    Hey Cortana can happen, but that requires work on their end, and I'd get an Icon because currently, its the least imperfect out of those two with 8.1 and whatnot.

    I'd be open to a Samsung, but they haven't done much post-shipping the phone from what I see.
    01-07-2015 02:44 PM
  14. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Pretty much everything is better on the icon but the se is a great device as well. If there was no way to get an icon or any other Lumia, the SE is verizons second best windows phone presently.
    01-07-2015 02:46 PM
  15. Ltauhmise's Avatar
    My Ativ SE arrived the other day. I really do enjoy it. It's lighter than the ICON... remarkably so, at least in my opinion. Screen is just as nice. But what I really love is the mechanical home button that also wakes up the phone. SD card support is fantastic too, but I am a little bummed that I can't install apps to SD just yet.

    No word yet on windows 8.1 for the device. But honestly, I like windows 8 all the same. Not having Cortana is much of a deal breaker for me. Plus... removable battery! :)
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    01-08-2015 10:37 AM
  16. wraedeo_hed's Avatar
    For me, it seems like it moves through the OS much quicker than my Nokia. But on a functional front, it definitely outclasses my Nokia.
    01-08-2015 11:08 AM
  17. robnhl's Avatar
    For me, it seems like it moves through the OS much quicker than my Nokia. But on a functional front, it definitely outclasses my Nokia.
    Definitely true. I had an icon and the home/appscreen scroll rate on it pales when compared to the Ativ SE. Lumia 928 had the same slow scrolling. Oddly, the Lumia 822 did not.
    01-08-2015 03:56 PM
  18. JP8296's Avatar
    For me, it seems like it moves through the OS much quicker than my Nokia. But on a functional front, it definitely outclasses my Nokia.
    Maybe the 100 Mhz more on the SE makes the difference?
    01-08-2015 04:21 PM
  19. wraedeo_hed's Avatar
    I don't know, but it's a wide enough margin to make me not want a Nokia again. I still have as a backup just incase the SE never gets 8.1.
    That being said, as I said before:

    Superior screen, and performance

    Superior camera given ample light

    And far superior functionality, battery, micro SD, physical button, weight, build quality.

    The ONLY way I could go back to Nokia is if they had the SE performance in the 830, but they don't, and the 830, while beautiful pales horribly in comparison to the SE.

    However this weekend I'm going to install the DP on the SE the way that I've discussed. Part of me wants to wait a little more just to see if Verizon kicks it over, though I'm growing very impatient.
    01-09-2015 07:27 AM
  20. wraedeo_hed's Avatar
    Mission accomplished, it's like a whole new phone. Nokia who??
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    01-11-2015 01:25 AM
  21. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    Mission accomplished, it's like a whole new phone. Nokia who??
    Running into any of the errors people have experienced, or so far so good?
    01-11-2015 10:34 AM
  22. wraedeo_hed's Avatar
    Absolutely no errors, in all honestly this phone with 8.1, is easily the best hardware on windows phone. It's just so fast never jitters, it just works. Camera is that much better as well.

    It's like a galaxy S4 with windows phone.... Perfect
    Last edited by wraedeo_hed; 01-12-2015 at 01:05 PM.
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    01-12-2015 11:37 AM
  23. Mike Majeski's Avatar
    Only Samsung I have had was the Note 2. Loved the hardware, hated TouchWiz. This would seem to be the best way to solve that!

    One last question...I thought I saw in a review somewhere that 8.1 on the SE doesn't have Cortana. Is that true?
    01-12-2015 12:53 PM
  24. Rogozinski's Avatar
    No issues with the camera? I am a bit affraid to install the developers preview on my Ativ SE...
    01-12-2015 12:55 PM
  25. wraedeo_hed's Avatar
    Cortana works perfectly fine. The camera (which was my biggest concern) is flawless.

    Just remember you have to do a factory reset, SKIP THE RESTORE!!!, download the DP, then Install all of the DP updates. Then you can start reinstalling all of your apps, email addresses etc...etc... I works completely fine.

    Just don't use the restore!!!
    01-12-2015 01:04 PM
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