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  1. westnz's Avatar
    Quick thing I want to discuss.

    An exploit for the Redstone SecureBoot stack has surfaced, and supposedly allows TestSigning to the bootmgr (previously we only had TestSigning post-boot). This means that we could possibly run self-signed EFI's, and therefore custom ROMs. This is currently applicable to all devices running Redstone (although not yet confirmed on Xbox One). As our phone is running Redstone with SecureBoot, this potentially applies to us. The exploit is very difficult for Microsoft to patch, because in doing so, they would ruin bootchain-passability (I made that up) for various legacy devices (for example, the most logical patch would make it impossible to boot into the recovery partition on a PC, or the flashing interface on a mobile device). It is likely that Microsoft will only be able to patch this exploit for devices that have been manufactured post-Redstone.

    TL;DR:
    There is a strong potential for being able to run custom ROMs on the Ativ SE in the near future.
    yeah I saw about that I was checking the xda windows rt forum a couple times a week last few months waiting for it to come so I could buy a surface 2 or lumia 2520 to load win10 mobile or android or linux or whatever on it.

    in terms of win10m does that mean custom roms in the future with the emulate android bits from that defunct project astoria or whatever it was called for example?
    08-10-2016 08:10 PM
  2. Jeemo's Avatar
    in terms of win10m does that mean custom roms in the future with the emulate android bits from that defunct project astoria or whatever it was called for example?
    That depends on whether or not the binaries for current Win10m explicitly blacklist Project Astoria. But yes, it's not implausible as far as I know. More importantly, though, this could allow us to dual-boot Android and Windows, properly.
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    08-10-2016 08:14 PM
  3. westnz's Avatar
    That depends on whether or not the binaries for current Win10m explicitly blacklist Project Astoria. But yes, it's not implausible as far as I know. More importantly, though, this could allow us to dual-boot Android and Windows, properly.
    Oh yes thats what I would really love, just wasnt sure I was allowed to voice that kind of desire in a windows forum haha
    08-10-2016 08:30 PM
  4. rmabwing5's Avatar
    That depends on whether or not the binaries for current Win10m explicitly blacklist Project Astoria. But yes, it's not implausible as far as I know. More importantly, though, this could allow us to dual-boot Android and Windows, properly.
    Oh yes thats what I would really love, just wasnt sure I was allowed to voice that kind of desire in a windows forum haha
    You're not allowed to voice that in my thread....lol. Only kidding; I've been known to voice the fact that I would like to dabble in dual booting Win10M and Android. It would be the best of both worlds because there are still so many Android apps I used to use on my Android phone (before going to Win Mobile) that just aren't available for our beloved Win10M phones. I'll most probably never go back to Android as a daily driver phone, but I'd like to be able to use some apps only available on Android - especially since there are still so many developers who haven't taken the plunge to make or convert their Android or iPhone app to a Windows Mobile app. Hope this can be done soon so I can play with something different.

    On a side note, I tried the directions by WestNZ for updating to Win10M from Win 8.1 to no avail; this is why my direction at the beginning of this thread are cut off and state To Be Continued. I need to look at a couple of things to see if I did something wrong or if it just doesn't work for me. Will let you all know when I get something concrete and finish the instructions....Thanks for your patience.

    - RW

    UPDATE: No matter what I do I can't get my phone to update. This is very frustrating.
    Last edited by rmabwing5; 08-11-2016 at 05:54 AM. Reason: Added UPDATE
    08-10-2016 09:33 PM
  5. westnz's Avatar
    I lost brightness control from action center and in settings. had to reset :/
    14393.67
    08-11-2016 01:40 AM
  6. Euell Gibbons's Avatar
    - RW

    UPDATE: No matter what I do I can't get my phone to update. This is very frustrating.

    Where are you stuck? At one point I had to turn off insider builds and then re-enroll to get things to work.
    08-11-2016 09:27 AM
  7. westnz's Avatar
    Where are you stuck? At one point I had to turn off insider builds and then re-enroll to get things to work.
    I did a full reset back to 8.0 and I had a little trouble myself following my own directions lol so I dropped the nam vzw strings (I have Verizon model), used the shorter ones, and Lumia icon and used Lumia 929 and I was able to get to .67 on DP.
    08-11-2016 04:57 PM
  8. westnz's Avatar
    Where are you stuck? At one point I had to turn off insider builds and then re-enroll to get things to work.
    I did a full reset back to 8.0 and I had a little trouble myself following my own directions lol so I dropped the nam vzw strings (I have Verizon model), used the shorter ones, and Lumia icon and used Lumia 929 and I was able to get to .67 on DP.
    What I noticed is if you let apps update in the store it screws with the phone update n u have to reset n reunlock, deploy the xaps etc
    08-11-2016 05:06 PM
  9. Werentuckl's Avatar
    WestNZ. Brother. You said you just did a full reset back to 8.0 and got back on 10. If I am reading what you mean correctly. Could you kindly put together all the files you use. Upload and put them in a drop box or onedrive or something.

    And write us a more detailed/thorough walk through that everyone, including you ofcourse, can follow easily. Or atleast more easily. Just take the old one you wrote, and add into it to make it a little more detailed with more clearly laid out steps. Once RW and/or Jeemo can get back on the WM10 builds using your instructions, they can flesh them out into better/greater detail and update the first posts with the newer guidelines and a clear concise tutorial. This helps make the resource much cleaner for all of us and keeps our doors to WM10 open, thanks the heroics of trailblazers like you and RW and Jeemo! :) ^_^

    -- W
    08-11-2016 05:43 PM
  10. westnz's Avatar
    WestNZ. Brother. You said you just did a full reset back to 8.0 and got back on 10. If I am reading what you mean correctly. Could you kindly put together all the files you use. Upload and put them in a drop box or onedrive or something.

    And write us a more detailed/thorough walk through that everyone, including you ofcourse, can follow easily. Or atleast more easily. Just take the old one you wrote, and add into it to make it a little more detailed with more clearly laid out steps. Once RW and/or Jeemo can get back on the WM10 builds using your instructions, they can flesh them out into better/greater detail and update the first posts with the newer guidelines and a clear concise tutorial. This helps make the resource much cleaner for all of us and keeps our doors to WM10 open, thanks the heroics of trailblazers like you and RW and Jeemo! :) ^_^

    -- W
    ok
    08-11-2016 06:16 PM
  11. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Thanks a bunch friend. We all love ya for this matey! :) ^_^

    -- W
    08-11-2016 06:45 PM
  12. rmabwing5's Avatar
    Okay, I'm performing a soft reset of my phone and I will no undoubtedly have to add the .xap files back on and hack the registry again. We'll see if I can upgrade after that. To Be Continued.

    @W,
    Thanks for suggesting to WestNZ to write up something concrete. Once he finishes, and I can actually upgrade my phone, I will complete the updated instructions in the beginning of this thread.

    @WestNZ,
    Please PM me when you are finished.

    Thanks guys.

    - RW
    08-11-2016 07:28 PM
  13. Jeemo's Avatar
    Just to clarify to everyone, I will be remaking my tutorial, but not until after this weekend. I have obligations this weekend and I cannot take care of them with my SIM card in my Android device (because my workflow on Win10m BLOWS it away).
    08-11-2016 08:14 PM
  14. westnz's Avatar
    cool done. sent my concrete hot off the press steps to @rmabwing5

    btw this is the last time folks I hate re-doing my start menu every time haha
    Last edited by westnz; 08-11-2016 at 10:41 PM.
    08-11-2016 10:23 PM
  15. rmabwing5's Avatar
    Hey all,

    I have finally confirmed the directions from WestNZ so I've updated the thread to the current way of upgrading our phones. Again, thanks to WestNZ for coming up with these instructions. I've had a few PMs with WestNZ to clarify a couple of items and they are now clearer in the directions I've updated. Next I will try to confirm that WPS Tweaks can be used to change the registry values to enable Mobile Hotspot and will update those directions as well.

    As always, if there are any errors or if anyone is stuck feel free to ask me for help either here or PM. Also, I'm sure Jeemo, Werentucki, or WestNZ will help also if I'm unavailable.

    Thanks to all for your support.

    - RW
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    08-13-2016 10:14 AM
  16. Werentuckl's Avatar
    That sounds ominous RW. Please dont leave out little group of ATIV SE buddies here man. :(

    But, yes. We're all available here to help to our best ability. Always. ^_^ And the registry values and changes are the same/Remain the same, even with the new RS builds RW. You can easily get through to these changes using Gustav's interop tools as well too, for making changes to the registry. As I just walked Libra through the same instructions on her Lumia 950. For T-Mobile. So this hack is universal. Basically. For WM10. And WP8.1 too. :) ^_^

    Still no luck sadly for our haptic feedback. But the rest of the phone is upto par with the stock experience and features that Samsung shipped with it. This, haptic feedback. And the IR blaster. Since WatchOn has been pulled from the MS platform. Long before most of us even arrived on it. Ive been wondering if there's any way of using/exploiting the feature. I havent seen any apps on the store that can use the hardware at all. Since this was the only WP ever shipped with one so far. :/

    Edit: I have detailed instructions on her thread over at the 950 subforum for the Gustav InterOp Tools. If you want to directly lift/copy them from here. Its the thread titled MMS Issues on the 950. Started by Libra89 friend. :)

    -- W
    08-13-2016 10:24 AM
  17. rmabwing5's Avatar
    That sounds ominous RW. Please dont leave out little group of ATIV SE buddies here man. :(

    But, yes. We're all available here to help to our best ability. Always. ^_^ And the registry values and changes are the same/Remain the same, even with the new RS builds RW. You can easily get through to these changes using Gustav's interop tools as well too, for making changes to the registry. As I just walked Libra through the same instructions on her Lumia 950. For T-Mobile. So this hack is universal. Basically. For WM10. And WP8.1 too. :) ^_^

    Still no luck sadly for our haptic feedback. But the rest of the phone is upto par with the stock experience and features that Samsung shipped with it. This, haptic feedback. And the IR blaster. Since WatchOn has been pulled from the MS platform. Long before most of us even arrived on it. Ive been wondering if there's any way of using/exploiting the feature. I havent seen any apps on the store that can use the hardware at all. Since this was the only WP ever shipped with one so far. :/

    Edit: I have detailed instructions on her thread over at the 950 subforum for the Gustav InterOp Tools. If you want to directly lift/copy them from here. Its the thread titled MMS Issues on the 950. Started by Libra89 friend. :)

    -- W
    Ominous not intended. The four of us seem to be the ones with the most knowledge so I mentioned our names, but yes, we all contribute and questions can, in fact, be asked to anyone. Someone will have an answer, I'm sure. Sorry for the "Ominous" confusion...lol. Take care my friend.

    - RW
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    08-13-2016 10:57 AM
  18. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Thanks a bunch mate. Better not bail. Reminds me of all the people who pioneered on getting us here. And then just slowly fell by the wayside, vanished. Or faded away. Aselite. Brad Herr. And the list goes on. Atleast we still have Darrell. He's one of heck of a tester man! :) I hope most of us are here to stay. For a while atleast. I know I am. ^_^ :)

    -- W
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    08-13-2016 11:35 AM
  19. rmabwing5's Avatar
    Thanks a bunch mate. Better not bail. Reminds me of all the people who pioneered on getting us here. And then just slowly fell by the wayside, vanished. Or faded away. Aselite. Brad Herr. And the list goes on. Atleast we still have Darrell. He's one of heck of a tester man! :) I hope most of us are here to stay. For a while atleast. I know I am. ^_^ :)

    -- W
    No worries...I'm here to stay as long as I have this phone, possibly even beyond to provide support where I can. As you know, I have two ATIV SEs so even if my daily takes a dive and I go with a Lumia or something, I will still have my test one to help out here. I'm not into abandoning everyone here; if and when I leave, and it's still a big IF, I will surely let everyone know.

    - RW
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    08-13-2016 12:11 PM
  20. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Thanks a bunch brother. I'm glad to know we're all in the same boat. :)

    -- W
    08-13-2016 12:17 PM
  21. Jeemo's Avatar
    I've been trying to get my hands on a Lumia Icon (locally) so I can put my SE in full testing/development mode. If anybody knows someone near Chicago with an Icon, please let me know.
    08-13-2016 01:33 PM
  22. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Have you tried swappa? There's a couple used there on Swappa Jeemo. For a decent price. And also try your local CL, or even Ebay. Another good idea would be to post a WTB on our forum marketplace here. Thats where I got my ATIV anyways. :)

    -- W
    08-13-2016 01:48 PM
  23. Jeemo's Avatar
    Yup, I've checked swappa, ebay, and CL. Swappa is overpriced for the device IMO, ebay only has good prices on devices with cracked screens (although I'm sure I could get lucky in an auction if I tried for a few weeks, though I'm looking for an instant transaction asap), and there aren't any on CL around here unfortunately. I didn't post in the marketplace subforum because it's pretty inactive, but I did post on the Icon subforum here, in case someone reading there has switched carriers.

    Regardless, thank you for the input
    08-13-2016 02:48 PM
  24. Dieselrod1's Avatar
    I thank you guys for your unselfish contributions for our ATIV SE's. Do you know what registry lines we might change so we can use "tap to pay"? I think we need to imitate a Lumia 950.
    08-13-2016 06:05 PM
  25. Werentuckl's Avatar
    Unfortunately. I dont think tap to pay is going to be available to us anytime soon Diesel. Tap to Pay was only made available to the current gen Lumias and everyone else, including older Nokia flagships, were left out. They say its a standards/hardware handshake/NFC chip issue. But I dont really know the details of that. Sadly. :(

    -- W
    08-13-2016 06:12 PM
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